Betting Ramon Dominguez

[carlonr]

While I have not had the time to extract the data for Ramon Dominguez on horses other than the 1st or 2nd favorite, these are his overall stats. ROI is in red.. Any comments?


LAST 365 DAYS


Name Starts W W% P P% S S% ITM% ROI% Earnings EPS

Dominguez Ramon A 576 122 21% 103 18% 80 14% 53% -31% $5,783,819 $10,041 BELMONT

Dominguez Ramon A 260 45 17% 43 17% 46 18% 52% -24% $2,734,486 $10,517 SARATOGA

Dominguez Ramon A 388 120 31% 91 23% 63 16% 71% -16% $3,515,302 $9,060 AQUEDUCT

[46zilzal]

Bet him when he rides a horse, the one that is actually running the race, is over its odds. GOOD LUCK in finding those

[Dahoss9698]

Couple of questions. Did anyone ever email you back about the Canadian grade 1 stuff and how does this ROI compare with other top riders?

[carlonr]

Couple of questions. Did anyone ever email you back about the Canadian grade 1 stuff and how does this ROI compare with other top riders?

I have not heard from Canada yet, I'm assuming it was a pretty big week for them, and things will somewhat return to normal this week. You did not define "top rider" so here are the stats for every jockey that had over $1,000,000 in earnings for each track within the las 365 days. The ROI percentage is the next last figure which is total earnings. I have highlighted the jockweys with a positive ROI in green


BEL


W W% P P% S S% ITM% ROI TOTAL EARNINGS
TB Dominguez Ramon A 576 122 21% 103 18% 80 14% 53% -31% $5,783,819
TB Maragh Rajiv 611 92 15% 102 17% 108 18% 49% -23% $4,406,281
TB Velazquez John R 382 74 19% 37 10% 65 17% 46% -14% $4,087,751
TB Castellano Javier 491 87 18% 82 17% 68 14% 48% -13% $3,703,985
TB Velasquez Cornelio H 473 72 15% 67 14% 59 12% 42% 5% $3,654,927
TB Garcia Alan 326 60 18% 46 14% 45 14% 46% -12% $2,919,617
TB Prado Edgar S 372 42 11% 71 19% 52 14% 44% -40% $2,737,257
TB Lezcano Jose 377 63 17% 61 16% 45 12% 45% 10% $2,667,134
TB Desormeaux Kent J 228 40 18% 38 17% 29 13% 47% -21% $2,526,122
TB Coa Eibar 211 30 14% 27 13% 26 12% 39% -7% $1,184,331
TB Cohen David 213 27 13% 41 19% 28 13% 45% -43% $1,125,391

AQU

TB Dominguez Ramon A 597 174 29% 132 22% 94 16% 67% -16% $5,389,450
TB Cohen David 576 119 21% 89 15% 90 16% 52% -24% $3,356,221
TB Velazquez John R 175 38 22% 27 15% 28 16% 53% -19% $1,865,739
TB Napravnik A R 403 47 12% 67 17% 66 16% 45% -20% $1,796,911
TB Hill Channing 426 48 11% 49 12% 48 11% 34% -26% $1,694,934
TB Prado Edgar S 174 33 19% 24 14% 25 14% 47% 1% $1,324,094
TB Chavez Jorge F 267 42 16% 39 15% 35 13% 43% -22% $1,282,406
TB Lezcano Jose 169 25 15% 40 24% 24 14% 53% -31% $1,255,053
TB Serpa Angel 365 44 12% 47 13% 44 12% 37% 3% $1,208,987
TB Lopez Charles C 259 40 15% 53 20% 35 14% 49% -20% $1,169,594
TB Castellano Javier 143 28 20% 25 17% 25 17% 55% -25% $1,061,421
TB Velasquez Cornelio H 207 29 14% 34 16% 29 14% 44% -39% $1,051,931

SAR

TB Dominguez Ramon A 260 45 17% 43 17% 46 18% 52% -24% $2,734,486
TB Leparoux Julien R 215 28 13% 33 15% 23 11% 39% -29% $2,367,494
TB Garcia Alan 202 40 20% 19 9% 26 13% 42% 14% $2,280,689
TB Desormeaux Kent J 160 26 16% 26 16% 19 12% 44% -8% $2,123,053
TB Velazquez John R 224 26 12% 33 15% 27 12% 38% -56% $2,118,145
TB Maragh Rajiv 260 33 13% 23 9% 36 14% 35% -12% $1,991,628
TB Castellano Javier 199 26 13% 27 14% 20 10% 37% 3% $1,785,689
TB Prado Edgar S 165 22 13% 13 8% 20 12% 33% -43% $1,644,526
TB Albarado Robby 134 19 14% 19 14% 14 10% 39% 4% $1,409,571
TB Lezcano Jose 184 15 8% 26 14% 32 17% 40% -41% $1,127,778

[Dahoss9698]

Thanks Carl. Interesting to note that almost every rider also has a negative ROI. For a guy who rides so many races, Dominguez has a very respectable winning %.

[RockHardTen1985]

That Garcia positive ROI at Toga is pretty amazing.

[PhantomOnTour]

That Garcia positive ROI at Toga is pretty amazing.
He has shown a positive ROI at Sar for 2 or 3 years in a row.

[Dahoss9698]

It had to help riding a bunch of horses for Linda Rice last year.

[only11]

Dahoss who would you rather have to ride your horse...Castellano or Dominguez?

[carlonr]

He has shown a positive ROI at Sar for 2 or 3 years in a row.

Garcia stats @ Saratoga since 7/1/2006

Garcia Alan 552 99 18% 59 11% 74 13% 42% 12% $6,442,235


Garcia has definitely been a "money jockey" @ Saratoga.

[philcski]

Thanks Carl. Interesting to note that almost every rider also has a negative ROI. For a guy who rides so many races, Dominguez has a very respectable winning %.

They should be.

Remember, "average" is -16%. If there's a standard deviation of 10%, then only 1 in 8 or so would be positive ROI.

[RockHardTen1985]

Dahoss who would you rather have to ride your horse...Castellano or Dominguez?

I think they are equal on turf, and your likely to get a better price on Castellano.

[only11]

castellano maybe one of the better turf riders in the country!!

[Robert Fischer]

i guess this type of thing is a good reminder to some why "playing a jockey" doesn't work, even when that guy has an edge.

slightly disappointing thread - The title, at worst attempts to prove a point which no one with the least amount of insight would argue, at best simply "milks" a popular topic...

[Dahoss9698]

Dahoss who would you rather have to ride your horse...Castellano or Dominguez?

Dominguez...by a lot. Castellano is okay, but he has a habit of making premature wide moves.

[Dahoss9698]

They should be.

Remember, "average" is -16%. If there's a standard deviation of 10%, then only 1 in 8 or so would be positive ROI.

I understand this. The point I was making was Dominguez wasn't alone in this.

[RockHardTen1985]

Dominguez...by a lot. Castellano is okay, but he has a habit of making premature wide moves.

I thought JV was the premature wide guy.... I cant remember the last time he was on the rail, it seems like he gives all of Todds horses the same trip, the wide press and just keep going... If he rode for anyone but Todd he might not have had much of a career. As for the other 2, Im not sure the gap is as big as your making it out to be, Ramon has done a lot of great things, but he is also getting bet like Bailey used to, if the race was run on turf and nothing else matters I dont mind having Castellano up, even instead of Ramon.

[Dahoss9698]

I thought JV was the premature wide guy.... I cant remember the last time he was on the rail, it seems like he gives all of Todds horses the same trip, the wide press and just keep going... If he rode for anyone but Todd he might not have had much of a career. As for the other 2, Im not sure the gap is as big as your making it out to be, Ramon has done a lot of great things, but he is also getting bet like Bailey used to, if the race was run on turf and nothing else matters I dont mind having Castellano up, even instead of Ramon.

Johnny V is just the wide guy. He loves the uncovered trip. He did however have a decent enough career before Pletcher came along. He was just starting to win the big races when Pletcher started. He's been helped out greatly by Pletcher, but he would still have a solid career IMO.

I know you bet a lot of NY races and I agree Dominguez gets bet. He is just so solid. He wins more races that he shouldn't than any jock I can think of and it's because he consistently outrides the rest. I don't mind Castellano either, but that premature wide move is something he needs to work on IMO. I won't even get into the herding, because I don't want to sound like The Fat Man.

[RockHardTen1985]

I am in no way knocking Dominguez, he is at the least a top 3 rider in the country right now. I just think as far as price compared to that rider goes, you might get a little better value with JC and most of the time the same type of trip.

[Dahoss9698]

same type of trip.

I agree with everything but this.

[Robert Fischer]

The public and their fan-favortism of jockeys, is one of the reasons for the old school saying that this is "not jockey racing".

[Robert Fischer]

I like JC once in a while on the INNER-turf on a FirstTimeTurfer with some route-speed who isn't one of the chalk. He seems to win a couple of those races on his own volition.

[Dahoss9698]

Oh boy

[Robert Fischer]

isn't that what this thread is about?

[RockHardTen1985]

The thread is about JC first time turf with speed? Come on man.....
Wait sorry, first time inner turf, with route speed.

[Robert Fischer]

The thread is about JC first time turf with speed? Come on man.....
Wait sorry, first time inner turf, with route speed.

sorry for leaving the simpleton generalities for a second.



You've got your Fanz who think that Dominguez does one of the following





WINS races directly on his own volition
manages errors better to avoid the "LOSSES" which others frequently accumulate.
Simply gets the class of the field, and the well-meant animals due to his demand.
letz go back to to the land of fanz where we belong or "Chez Fanz".
So these fanz of Dominguez manage to bet a guy a top 3 rider in the country!(your words not mine) down to below Javier Castellano- A guy who is somewhere between 5-25 in the United States. And not just below Castellano, but nearly 20% below @ Belmont and Saratoga. :bang::bang::bang:


BUT that shouldn't surprise you, RockHeardTEN... For you go and say on page 1 that Javier CAstellano is the equal of Ramon 'Top3' DomingueZ on turf (http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/showpost.php?p=929558&postcount=12) :D:confused::D


which are the type of replies that really strike the question of why the hell should i bother participating or responding?


and the clear answer has to do with Beyer speed figures and PA, as well as on of Tiger Woods' alleged masseuses and a trip to 'Toga...


if you want to bother with off-shoots like jockeys who are (or aren't) capable of "Winning" or "losing" on their own VOLITION (http://www.anorak.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/tiger-woods-girls.jpg), then you know some of the things I am considering beyond the general concept that some are simply over-bet.



Chez Whoopi *