Elementary school kids to receive condoms

[cj's dad]

Free for the asking and without the parents consent or knowledge !!

Figures - Massachusetts !

link below:


http://americaswatchtower.com/2010/06/11/massachusetts-town-will-allow-elementary-school-to-pass-out-condoms/

[bigmack]

Double-edged sword

RkyoIawyxz0

[wisconsin]

Where do I begin here?

When I was a kid, we had to sneak a peek at Playboy magazine, if you knew the kid who's dad had a stash. It was unheard of in my day that some 12 year old was getting any. Today, you have every sitcom and movie glorifying the experience, and you can't go see a good movie without someone actually doing it right there, almost porno or soft porn for sure (and that's another discussion).

Then, we have the Internet. Blue movies were so rare in my day. Now, you can go on a million sites with a million links to porn. And someone's kid is also listening to garbage on the radio like Brittainy Spears singing "If You Seek Amy". You do the phonics on that one.

Is it any wonder this is happening? It's outrageous to me, and out of control.

[johnhannibalsmith]

Double-edged sword


Great spot.

[Robert Goren]

There some kids in my class that were having sex in the eight grade. That was in the early sixties. There was one girl who "put out" a lot. If they were doing it in small town Nebraska in the early 60s, you better believe they are doing it now. Some of you live a dream world.

[Tom]

The point is, Bobby,the schools HAVE NO RIGHT to do this. Period, End of
story. They are violating the parent's rights to raise their children as they see fit, and they are, in effect telling all the kids that sex at their age is perfectly alright.

The fist pregnancy needs to be a law suit against the teacher who handed it out for child support.

This is why you never, ever compromise with libs - they are just freaking stupid and dangerous.


btw, do we really need MASS as a state?
I see no benefits to them at all.

[Robert Goren]

The kids who are going have sex are going to have it no matter what their parents want, no matter what the schools whether school passes out condoms or not, no matter what I think, no matter what you think. A 150 years ago kids were getting married at 13. The times may have changed, but the DNA hasn't caught up yet. It is better to pass out condoms than to have a bunch of pregnant 13 or 14 years, which is what we are getting now.

[johnhannibalsmith]

...btw, do we really need MASS as a state?
I see no benefits to them at all.

Yaz's Kielbasa Power.

[RaceBookJoe]

The kids who are going have sex are going to have it no matter what their parents want, no matter what the schools whether school passes out condoms or not, no matter what I think, no matter what you think. A 150 years ago kids were getting married at 13. The times may have changed, but the DNA hasn't caught up yet. It is better to pass out condoms than to have a bunch of pregnant 13 or 14 years, which is what we are getting now.

It would be better yet to have parents actually instill morality to their children. I think 150 yrs ago, kids were getting married at 13 so they could have children to have help to run a farm, not just so they could have sex. The moral values in this country have eroded to a pathetic degree. rbj

[Dave Schwartz]

It would be better yet to have parents actually instill morality to their children. I think 150 yrs ago, kids were getting married at 13 so they could have children to have help to run a farm, not just so they could have sex. The moral values in this country have eroded to a pathetic degree.

What a novel idea: morality.

:ThmbUp:

[BluegrassProf]

The point is, Bobby,the schools HAVE NO RIGHT to do this. Period, End of
story. They are violating the parent's rights to raise their children as they see fit, and they are, in effect telling all the kids that sex at their age is perfectly alright.

The fist pregnancy needs to be a law suit against the teacher who handed it out for child support.

This is why you never, ever compromise with libs - they are just freaking stupid and dangerous.


btw, do we really need MASS as a state?
I see no benefits to them at all. :D None of this is accurate. Sadly, it's not a political issue, despite the attempt to turn it into one...children are having sex whether you hand out condoms or not or sneak ground-up Yaz into chocolate milk, and whether you're a Democrat or Republican or Anarchist or Jedi or fuzzy purple martian.

The school isn't violating anything, at least for the time being. Sure, everyone knows it's horrifying that kids are even aware of what sex is at this age, let alone considering it....but that changes absolutely nothing about the fact that they are, in fact, considering it. It takes absolutely no condom handouts - popular culture rams sex down everyone's throats, kids and adults alike; the very last thing that's going to affect kids' perception is a condom. Seriously, you may want to close your eyes reeeeally tight and wish it all away, but it ain't happening. Yell, scream, point fingers and fall flat on your back; preach the dangers of liberals toting prophylactics or faux conservatives giving in to the lures of lust....still not changing a thing, least of all the problem of kids already having sex.

Knowing this with absolute certainty, study after study after study after study after study clearly show that the best way to prevent pregnancy and the spread of STDs is to provide condoms, regardless of the population. Not teaching abstinence, not pretending the problem doesn't exist, not refusing to acknowledge the issue on moral grounds or political grounds or anything of the sort. If you want a lawsuit, try something considerably more logical: throw it at the teacher that didn't hand out the condom, not the one that did.

Absolutely, it'd be REALLY great if parents played their part and culture shifted 180 degrees, as RBJ says; anyone in their right mind will agree with that. I had those parents, and it did me great - novel idea indeed. But again, it doesn''t change the reality of the thing. Until those changes happen, some folks feel obligated to do the best they can to prevent the serious problems they see right there in front of their faces, clear as day.

[cj's dad]

There some kids in my class that were having sex in the eight grade. That was in the early sixties. There was one girl who "put out" a lot. If they were doing it in small town Nebraska in the early 60s, you better believe they are doing it now. Some of you live a dream world.

No Bobby- some of us live in a world where parents control their underage children- apparently you have not raised a child and if so have no idea how to control him/her/them. What a great parent you are !!

By your convoluted standards let 'em all f--k their brains out and the gubmint will pay for the repercussions!! Spot on post Detective !!!

[Greyfox]

:D None of this is accurate.
The school isn't violating anything, at least for the time being. .

Stop right there.
It doesn't look as though you have ever taught elementary school children.
If I were a parent and found out that the teachers were handing out condoms to elementary school kids without parental permission I'd be ballistic.

[fast4522]

Sick bastards who wish to control every aspect of kids instead of parental control. Even more demented are those who make excuses for the sick bastards. The more liberal things become the greater the filth factor, maybe its Barney's day where every aspect is gay or desensitized to the point it becomes like Germany and kids are routinely taken away from parents because the state knows better. These folks who have the unions with the better retirement than anyone else should get and deserve the shot it the ass instead of the raise in pay and bennys. Politics is local and if people do not have the stones in numbers to demand resignations and firings then it only shows just how ambivalent they are concerning the wellbeing of their offspring.

[Tom]

Let's all send in our school taxes so that they can turn out idiot's who can't read, can't write, can't hold a job, but can knock up the girl next door.

Prof, no offense, but you just PROVED my bold point about libs. :rolleyes:

Absolutely, it'd be REALLY great if parents played their part

It would be nice if schools plated their parts and stayed the Hell out of parenting. Fact is, most schools in this country arae abject failures.

[Greyfox]

There some kids in my class that were having sex in the eight grade. That was in the early sixties. There was one girl who "put out" a lot. .

Yes. That is true.
Talk to that girl twenty years later. I think that you will find that she was doing that because she was being sexually abused by some adult somewhere, possibly a parent or step-parent or mother's boyfriend. Her precocious sexuality is a plea for help as much as anything else. Something has gone wrong in the nurturing department. The shame and guilt come out a few years later.

(I mention the girls, but boys are happy to try thinking they are horny.)

[Greyfox]

A 150 years ago kids were getting married at 13. .

They still do in Muslim countries.
Girls marry older men because they are sold to them.
At one time girls married earlier to older farmers who had established their livelihoods. But it wasn't due to DNA. It was survival. Many hated it. Many were brainwashed to believe that was right. It wasn't.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Robert Goren
A 150 years ago kids were getting married at 13. .


So you propose that schools marry the kids if they so desire?

[BluegrassProf]

Stop right there.
It doesn't look as though you have ever taught elementary school children.
If I were a parent and found out that the teachers were handing out condoms to elementary school kids without parental permission I'd be ballistic. :D STOPRIGHTTHERE! I luv it.

Yes indeed, I've never taught in an elementary school - my sis-in-law does, not I; my brother is in secondary ed - but what I do know is the law, and the actions that constitute violations of the law. That's precisely what I wrote. See above.

Go ballistic and do backflips all you want. FlipflipflipTADA!

Don't think for one second that I approve of the behaviors going on in public schools, nor that I wouldn't flip out if I found out my child was engaging in it. But what needs to be understood is that, very very sadly, sex happens. By all means, teach your child well - in fact, teach him/her BEFORE the teacher gets his/her slimy little hands on the kid. Teach discipline and morality and all that great stuff, and send them off into the world, hopefully stronger and brighter and ready to steer waaaay clear of the funny business. See that? Step up and parent first. But when there's indeed funny business going on - and make no mistake, there is - you can either watch it happen despite every single backflip, or you can try to prevent further problems...you know, little things like 13yr-old motherhood. Your call.

This is why the research show us, over and over and over, that when we know it's happening, education and control are FAR better than nothing at all. In your hypothetical, your kid would already know about sex...he lives in the same sexy, promiscuous, media filth-saturated culture we all do. Perhaps instead of flippin', you could start talking to him/her so they know what the heck is going on, and recognize that the school - despite all the lefty meddling - really does want to keep your child safe, and in large part, for better or for worse, they have an obligation to do so. And certainly, by all means, feel 110% free to agree to disagree...no offense taken in the least. :ThmbUp:

If my kid goes to school armed to the teeth with all the knowledge I've imparted, the very last damned thing I'm going to worry about is a condom. He's already prepared. It's unfortunate that he has to be, but that's the reality on the ground.

Again, this is not a political problem; it's a problem of American culture. Want something to moan about, I suggest focusing your energy there. And talk to your kids first

[Tom]

Again, this is not a political problem; it's a problem of American culture.

And by what leap of faith do you think that schools, that fail to do their primary job of education our kids are the answer to it?
See, this is why I hate libs- they THINK they know what is best for everyone else. They do not. You hate the behavior, yet you want to send the message that it is ok to do it if you use a condom. Brilliant!

[Greyfox]

:D STOPRIGHTTHERE! I luv it.

but what I do know is the law, and the actions that constitute violations of the law. .

You know the law you teach.
I wonder how much you know about The School Act of whatever state you are in, which looks like Ky. Look up "in loco parentis."

[BluegrassProf]

Greyfox: You're absolutely right on two points: I DO in fact know the law I teach, and yes, the law varies from state to state. Perhaps this will come before the Mass court and we'll be back at square one...and if it does, it'll likely come down to the opt-out issue (at the end of it, the question of ...parentis will rest on specific details of the program[s] in Mass; see here: http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-3rd-circuit/1364920.html ). But keep in mind, the alternative scenario reads as follows:

Johnny Q. Publix goes to school counselor and asks for a condom. Counselor says no dice; your parents said no-go. Johnny either says "aw, shucks" and decides not to experiment (keep in mind, he's an early-pubescent male), or he does it anyway, without the benefit of a condom.

Which do you expect? And do you really think the condom is the issue here? Perhaps you're right: it's all about the rubber. Save it for Del Mar.

See, this is why I hate libs - ... You hate the behavior, yet you want to send the message that it is ok to do it if you use a condom. Brilliant!Yet again, it's not a political issue, even if you keep typing "libs" over and over. Points for consistency. ;)

But the problem doesn't care about politics. It's bipartisan.

We ALL disapprove of kiddie intercourse. I do, you do, schools do, puppies and kittens do. Every single ever-lubbin' one of us disapproves. What you really, really need to understand is that they don't need anyone to say it's OK, by means of a condom or otherwise. They're already having it. Personally, I'm not standing idly by...I'm teaching before the fact, and glad after the fact that if my words ultimately failed, someone else is providing at least minimally for my kid's safety.

Again, seriously, you can totally agree to disagree. But that's hardly authoritative, and in my eyes, missing the point. To each his own. :ThmbUp:

[boxcar]

The kids who are going have sex are going to have it no matter what their parents want, no matter what the schools whether school passes out condoms or not, no matter what I think, no matter what you think. A 150 years ago kids were getting married at 13. The times may have changed, but the DNA hasn't caught up yet. It is better to pass out condoms than to have a bunch of pregnant 13 or 14 years, which is what we are getting now.

It would be better yet to have parents actually instill morality to their children. I think 150 yrs ago, kids were getting married at 13 so they could have children to have help to run a farm, not just so they could have sex. The moral values in this country have eroded to a pathetic degree. rbj

Right on, brother. Right on! :ThmbUp: :ThmbUp:

Boxcar

[Greyfox]

Again, seriously, you can totally agree to disagree. But that's hardly authoritative, and in my eyes, missing the point. To each his own. :ThmbUp:

No. I'm not missing your point. My rights as a parent are protected under The School Act of the State I reside in, which as you point out, may vary from State to State.
I'm sure you know the Criminal Code like the back of your hand.
I'm not disputing that there is anything written in the Criminal Code that says teachers can't hand out condoms. The police that you teach would have no book to charge them with. I understand that.
I'm not at all stating that this is a political issue.
The School Act is in place already. I don't need to politicize for change in it.
However, I would have a good stance in any court of law pressing an action independent of the Criminal Code under the protections that the Act has in place.
So we will agree to disagree. Have a good evening. :ThmbUp: :)

(OOps. Sorry I didn't differentiate that part of your response was directed toward a post by Tom. :blush: )

[bigmack]

Again, this is not a political problem; it's a problem of American culture. Want something to moan about, I suggest focusing your energy there.
I've heard of cultures whereby 13-16 year olds get pregers on porpoise. Bring in that AFDC. Come on, come on.

While they're handing out condo's, how 'bout TP?

Sheeahte. Everybody doin' it.

)backward finga snap(

[newtothegame]

For what its worth on this issue...my take is this:

Our school systems are tasked with certain responsibilities.

Teaching is one of those responsibilities along with safety etc etc...

But, along the lines of teaching, I am expecting a curriculum (sp) to be followed.

In some states, sex education is being taught as an elective. But, the difference is that electives are a CHOSEN class that usually the counselor and or parents provides guidance. And, I do not remember this in ELEMENTARY.

As a parent, I am in constant contact with my grandaughters teachers, principle and nuns. I am daily following up on homework whether it be math or dance instruction.

The school has expectations of the parents as well...and thats INVOLVEMENT. I provide that as I mentioned.

I do agree that, I do not wish it to be political...but bluegrass..lets face it..IT IS. Liberals have an agenda in which the "nanny state" is to take care of everyone and provide for them. This is how programs like these get started. Now it may not be a direct political issue (as the school is not liberal or conservative) as its just a "building". But the teachers do have political beliefs and they do (if not watched carefullly) pass those along during their "guidance".

Thats why it is SO important for parents to be involved. I do thorough checks with graduating students parents, as well as students themselves. I attend parental meetings and co-op meetings. I WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON IN THAT SCHOOL.

And lastly, if I find that the school has somehow circumvented my rights as a parent, they fully understand that I will be there first thing in the morning. Its not a fear tactic, but rest assured they inform me even if my grandaughter has to take an aspirin throughout the day.

They stick to the curriculum provided (which by the way is handed out at the beginning of the year), or they send home notes with any changes to said curriculum. I doubt very seriously the arch diocese wants any more negative publicity for the church!

[Robert Goren]

I go ballistic every time I have to pay for a kid having a kid because their parents were to up tight to think that their kid might be having sex. Almost all of these child parents end up on the tax payers dime because their parents can't or won't(mostly won't, especially in the child fathers case) take care of it. If I am going to have pay no matter what, I prefer paying for condoms. They are cheaper.

[newtothegame]

I go ballistic every time I have to pay for a kid having a kid because their parents were to up tight to think that their kid might be having sex. Almost all of these child parents end up on the tax payers dime because their parents can't or won't(mostly won't, especially in the child fathers case) take care of it. If I am going to have pay no matter what, I prefer paying for condoms. They are cheaper.

You know goren..just when you start to place yourself on one side of the political spectrum....you go and say something to contradict that side lol. So NOW your against "entitlement" programs? Or is it just the programs which support unwed, financially unstable, single mothers ? lol

You wouldnt be referring to any specific stats..like say these:

"More than half of all black children live in single-parent households, a number that has doubled — doubled — since we were children."

In a Father's Day address at the Apostolic Church of God in Chicago, Sen. Barack Obama chose a less than celebratory topic: the absence of men in the lives of many children, especially black children.

"More than half of all black children live in single-parent households, a number that has doubled — doubled — since we were children."

He went on to say that these absent fathers don't realize that "responsibility does not end at conception" and are "acting like boys instead of men."

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/jun/23/barack-obama/statistics-dont-lie-in-this-case/

I'm just asking goren as I wouldnt want you to be labeled as RACIST...
I mean just cause Nebraskan's in that city voted against illegals....
Now this startling revelation that you revealed above....I mean someone might get the wrong idea :) :lol: