MoonBeams Gonna Save the world

[JustRalph]

http://earth2tech.com/2010/06/15/jerry-brown-unveils-plan-for-500000-green-jobs-czar/

Go on California........elect a Pie in the Sky Greenie to Save the State
This is why California is such a damn joke

Jerry Brown Unveils Plan for 500,000 Green Jobs, Czar

California gubernatorial hopeful Jerry Brown unveiled a green jobs plan today that he says will create a half a million green jobs and will appoint a “Renewable Energy Jobs Czar.” Brown, who officially kicked off a heated race for California governor against former eBay CEO Meg Whitman at solar module maker Solaria last week, made the remarks at a meeting of the Silicon Valley Leadership Group on the Microsoft campus in Mountain View, Calif.

more at link

Here is the only country that has tried the Green Route

http://www.benzinga.com/10/06/331468/9-reasons-why-spain-is-a-dead-economy-walking

Check out reason 6

#6) The new "green economy" in Spain has been a total flop. Socialist leaders promised that implementing hardcore restrictions on carbon emissions and forcing the nation over to a "green economy" would result in a flood of "green jobs". But that simply did not happen. In fact, a leaked internal assessment produced by the government of Spain reveals that the "green economy" has been an absolute economic nightmare for that nation. Energy prices have skyrocketed in Spain and the new "green economy" in that nation has actually lost more than two jobs for every job that it has created. But Spain so far seems unwilling to undo all of the crazy regulations that they have implemented.

Follow on link
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/spains-green-policies-an-economic-disaster/

[46zilzal]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Brown

In 1970, Brown was elected California Secretary of State. Brown used the position, which was historically limited in power, to bring lawsuits against corporations such as Standard Oil of California, International Telephone and Telegraph, Gulf Oil, and Mobil for violation of campaign-finance laws and argued in person before the California Supreme Court.

Brown also enforced laws requiring members of the California State Legislature to disclose sources of campaign funds and investigated allegedly falsely-notarized documents that had allowed Richard Nixon to claim a large tax deduction. Brown also played an important role in the drafting and passage of the California Fair Political Practices Act.[ These highly-publicized actions resulted in statewide acclaim, and led to his election as governor in the next statewide election.

Upon election, he refused many of the privileges and trappings of the office, forgoing the newly constructed governor's residence (which was sold in 1983) and instead renting a modest apartment at the corner of 14th and N Streets, adjacent to Capitol Park in downtown Sacramento. Instead of riding as a passenger in a chauffeured limousine as previous governors had done, Brown was driven to work in a compact sedan, a Plymouth Satellite.

During his two-term, eight-year governorship, Brown had a strong interest in environmental issues. Brown appointed J. Baldwin to work in the newly-created California Office of Appropriate Technology, Sim Van der Ryn as State Architect, and Stewart Brand as Special Advisor. He appointed John Bryson, later the CEO of Southern California Edison Electric Company and a founding member of the Natural Resources Defense Council, chairman of the California State Water Board in 1976. Brown reorganized the California Arts Council, boosting its funding by 1300 percent and appointing artists to the council.[10]

In 1975, Brown obtained the repeal of the "depletion allowance", a tax break for the state's oil industry, despite the efforts of the lobbyist Joe Shell, a former intraparty rival to Richard M. Nixon. The decisive vote against the allowance was cast in the California State Senate by the usually pro-business Republican Senator Robert S. Stevens. Shell claimed that Stevens had promised him that he would support keeping the allowance: "He had shaken my hand and told me he was with me." Brown later rewarded Stevens with a judicial appointment, but Stevens was driven from the bench for making salacious telephone calls.

Brown appointed more women and minorities to office than any other previous California governor.

He wasn't a bad guy but it seems too late to change the course of that state

[Tom]

Well now, he didn't save the bloody world w ith his environmental polices, now did he? :lol:

[cj's dad]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Brown

Brown appointed more women and minorities to office than any other previous California governor.



That surely made a difference !!

[Tom]

Let's see...add his 500,000 jobs to Pelosi's 400,000 that HC will create immediately, and we have almost a million new jobs.

I'm sure some here will believe that.

[Robert Goren]

He has got to be an improvement over the republician that is in there now.

[prospector]

He has got to be an improvement over the republician that is in there now.
you mean rino..he's useless

[boxcar]

He has got to be an improvement over the republician that is in there now.


Psst...Goren...knock, knock. Anyone home? Are the lights even on? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: The Gov Terminator is about as liberal as they get. In other words -- he's a RINO. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: And you can see what he's done TO California.

Boxcar

[Valuist]

The whole "green jobs" thing is a joke. In Spain for every "green job" created, 2.2 carbon jobs were lost.

[Robert Goren]

It is really strange how he was a conservative several years ago when was first running and now after he falls on his face, he has became a liberal. I am a liberal and I never claimed him and I am not now. He is all yours. You can't get rid of him that easy. I can't wait for the right to turn on Meg Whitman if she is elected. In her case it will take less than a week.

[Robert Goren]

The whole "green jobs" thing is a joke. In Spain for every "green job" created, 2.2 carbon jobs were lost. That is why the Chinese are going full steam ahead with every alternate energy idea there is, while the USA is dragging their feet. The world is constantly changing and you either change with it(or lead the charge) or you get left behind.

[BlueShoe]

He has got to be an improvement over the republician that is in there now.
As bad as AaaaNold has been, no, Moonbeam would not be an improvement. I have a long memory,and so do the voters, and 1975-1983 was quite enough of this screwball at the helm. Not real fond of Meg either, like Tom McClintock said, electing her would be like Arnolds 3rd term. Poor California.

[JustRalph]

That is why the Chinese are going full steam ahead with every alternate energy idea there is, while the USA is dragging their feet. The world is constantly changing and you either change with it(or lead the charge) or you get left behind.

Goren, I suggest you look into this issue. It has been studied and proven. Spain is in the tank behind a green initiative.

[Robert Goren]

Goren, I suggest you look into this issue. It has been studied and proven. Spain is in the tank behind a green initiative.As usual you are mis-informed. Spain was in good shape until the banking lead recession hit Europe. Spain was/is heavily dependent on the tourist trade. When the recession hit, Europeans stopped traveling and Spain's economy went into the tank. When Europe's economy recovers and Europeans start taking vacations again, Spain will be fine.

[delayjf]

The world is constantly changing and you either change with it(or lead the charge) or you get left behind.

If China wants to lead a suicidal banzi charge let them.

Spain was in good shape until the banking lead recession hit Europe
The drop in tourism is not the reason the green economy failed. Their own studies have shown the increase in regulation has led to job loss, why do you think it will work here in the US? Are you willing to have your energy costs sky-rocket (to quote Obama)?

[boxcar]

If China wants to lead a suicidal banzi charge let them.


The drop in tourism is not the reason the green economy failed. Their own studies have shown the increase in regulation has led to job loss, why do you think it will work here in the US? Are you willing to have your energy costs sky-rocket (to quote Obama)?

And another really good question: Are you willing, RG, to have unemployment probably double!? In the Cap and Trade bill there are actually provisions that anticipate the economy and employment sinking into the sinkhole. If the bill is so good and is going to save Mother Earth and the USA, why these kinds of provisions? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Boxcar

[Robert Goren]

If China wants to lead a suicidal banzi charge let them.


The drop in tourism is not the reason the green economy failed. Their own studies have shown the increase in regulation has led to job loss, why do you think it will work here in the US? Are you willing to have your energy costs sky-rocket (to quote Obama)? Never let the facts get in the way of your pet theories. Exactly who do you think is going pay for this oil mess after BP runs out of money? You and me and every taxpayer out there, that who.

[boxcar]

Never let the facts get in the way of your pet theories. Exactly who do you think is going pay for this oil mess after BP runs out of money? You and me and every taxpayer out there, that who.

This is exactly why BO did nothing these past two months in terms of controlling the damage; for he's going to use the same excuse you're giving us. This is how he's going to market Cap and Trade. I predicted this weeks ago. Stay tuned tonight.

Boxcar

[Robert Goren]

And another really good question: Are you willing, RG, to have unemployment probably double!? In the Cap and Trade bill there are actually provisions that anticipate the economy and employment sinking into the sinkhole. If the bill is so good and is going to save Mother Earth and the USA, why these kinds of provisions? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Boxcar I don't buy into that garabage that the unemployment will double. You need to stop living in the 19th century. Things have changed in the last 100 years and they are still changing. You remind me of a company I used to work for. They thought computers were too expensive and refused to buy any. They went out of business. You either embrace change or you die fighting it.

[boxcar]

I don't buy into that garabage that the unemployment will double. You need to stop living in the 19th century. Things have changed in the last 100 years and they are still changing. You remind me of a company I used to work for. They thought computers were too expensive and refused to buy any. They went out of business. You either embrace change or you die fighting it.

No reason for change. Change for the sake of change is the height of idiocy.
Numerous jobs will be lost if Cap and Trade passes. The Dem(on)s from Hell know it. That's why they have provisions in it anticipating this reality. You need to pull your head out of whatever orifice it's currently stuck in to see the light. Socialism in Europe has ruined those countries. You need to stop living in denial!

Boxcar

[wes]

You had better learn what the hell Cap & Trade reall is. Before you buy into such a screwed up deal dreamed up by the Democrats and Obama. It not about money it all about POWER.


wes

[46zilzal]

Socialism in Europe has ruined those countries.
Boxcar
They all were in good shape when I last visited....

[JustRalph]

As usual you are mis-informed. Spain was in good shape until the banking lead recession hit Europe. Spain was/is heavily dependent on the tourist trade. When the recession hit, Europeans stopped traveling and Spain's economy went into the tank. When Europe's economy recovers and Europeans start taking vacations again, Spain will be fine.

Robert, Spain is on the verge of collapse........btw, that 'as usual" shot was cheap......if there is one thing I am not.....that is uninformed........and I prove it on a regular basis............

check these out

http://www.benzinga.com/10/06/331468/9-reasons-why-spain-is-a-dead-economy-walking

This Document is a book, but it explains how the Greening of Spain has killed the economy
http://www.juandemariana.org/pdf/090327-employment-public-aid-renewable.pdf

from the top link:


The following are 9 reasons why Spain is a dead economy walking....

#1) Even before this most recent crisis, unemployment in Spain was approaching Great Depression levels. Spain now has the highest unemployment rate in the entire European Union. More than 20 percent of working age Spaniards were unemployed during the first quarter of 2010. If people aren't working they can't pay taxes and they can't provide for their families.

#2) In an effort to stimulate the economy, Spain's socialist government has been spending unprecedented amounts of money and that skyrocketed the government budget deficit to a stunning 11.4 percent of GDP in 2009. That is completely unsustainable by any definition.

#3) The total of all public and private debt in Spain has now reached 270 percent of GDP.

#4) The Spanish government has accumulated way more debt than it can possibly handle, and this has forced two international ratings agencies, Fitch and Standard & Poor’s, to lower Spain’s long-term sovereign credit rating. These downgrades are making it much more expensive for Spain to finance its debt at a time when they simply can't afford to pay more interest on their debt.

#5) There are 1.6 million unsold properties in Spain. That is six times the level per capita in the United States. Considering how bad the U.S. real estate market is, that statistic is incredibly alarming.

#6) The new "green economy" in Spain has been a total flop. Socialist leaders promised that implementing hardcore restrictions on carbon emissions and forcing the nation over to a "green economy" would result in a flood of "green jobs". But that simply did not happen. In fact, a leaked internal assessment produced by the government of Spain reveals that the "green economy" has been an absolute economic nightmare for that nation. Energy prices have skyrocketed in Spain and the new "green economy" in that nation has actually lost more than two jobs for every job that it has created. But Spain so far seems unwilling to undo all of the crazy regulations that they have implemented.

#7) Spain's national debt is so onerous that they are now caught in a debt spiral where anything they do will harm the economy. If they cut government expenditures in an effort to get debt under control it will devastate economic growth and crush badly needed tax revenues. But if the Spanish government keeps borrowing money their credit rating will continue to decline and they will almost certainly default. The truth is that the Spanish government is caught in a "no win" situation.

#8) But even now the IMF is projecting that the Spanish economy is going nowhere fast. The International Monetary Fund says there will be no positive GDP growth in Spain until 2011, at which point it will still be below one percent. As bleak as that forecast is, many analysts believe that it is way too optimistic considering the fact that Spain's economy declined by about 3.6 percent in 2009 and things are rapidly getting worse.

#9) The Spanish population has gotten used to socialist handouts and they are not going to accept public sector pay cuts, budget cuts to social programs and hefty tax increases easily. In fact, there is likely to be some very serious social unrest before all of this is said and done. On May 21st, thousands of public sector workers took to the streets of Spain to protest the government’s austerity plan. But that was only an appetizer. Spain's two main unions are calling for a major one day general strike to protest the government's planned reforms of the country's labor market. The truth is that financial shock therapy does not go down very well in highly socialized nations such as Greece and Spain. In fact, the austerity measures that Spain has been pressured to implement by the IMF have proven so unpopular that many are now projecting that Spain's socialist government will be forced to call early elections.

[boxcar]

They all were in good shape when I last visited....

Yeah, that's why the UK, Spain, Portugal and Greece are in such fantastically great economic shape, right? All of these mediocre countries barely escape third world status. :rolleyes:

Boxcar

[BlueShoe]

They all were in good shape when I last visited....
1970?

[JustRalph]

For those that think Spain is doing so well.........

Let the Uninformed point you to a link: From Today!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/spain-the-new-crisis-in-euroland-2002676.html

Spain: the new crisis in Euroland
By Vanessa Mock in Brussels John Lichfield in Paris
and Anita Brooks in Madrid

European leaders meet in Brussels today amid growing fears that Spain, Europe's fifth-largest economy, is preparing to ask for a bailout which would dwarf the €110bn (£90bn) rescue plan for Greece.

The Spanish government yesterday dismissed reports that it was already in discussions with the European Commission, International Monetary Fund and the US Treasury for a rescue package worth up to €250bn.

Officials in Madrid, Brussels and Paris were forced to deny that a Spanish bailout – which would take the European debt and euro crisis into a potentially dangerous new phase – was on the Brussels summit agenda.

much more at the link

[PaceAdvantage]

Detective Goren must have been blown away by all of your misinformation Ralph. While he's been spotted multiple times elsewhere on this board since his last post here where he called you uninformed, he has somehow forgotten the link back to this thread since your rebuttals.

Sounds like surrender to me...

[Robert Goren]

What I can say? I have stated the facts about Spain and he responded with some economic double talk from some conservative site. Not once did he address the fact that tourism was/is the industry in Spain and the cash coming into the country from it has dropped to trickle. In this country places like Las Vegas have the same problem. Places that live by the tourist dollar die by tourist dollar. China is probably the place that is investing in green technology more than any other place in the world and they are booming. But they have couple of other things going for them, not the least of which is that they do not put up with industry screw ups. If that oil spill had happen in china, there would be families getting bills for bullets. That is why they have fewer of these kind of industrial accidents.

[JustRalph]

What I can say? I have stated the facts about Spain and he responded with some economic double talk from some conservative site. Not once did he address the fact that tourism was/is the industry in Spain and the cash coming into the country from it has dropped to trickle. In this country places like Las Vegas have the same problem. Places that live by the tourist dollar die by tourist dollar. China is probably the place that is investing in green technology more than any other place in the world and they are booming. But they have couple of other things going for them, not the least of which is that they do not put up with industry screw ups. If that oil spill had happen in china, there would be families getting bills for bullets. That is why they have fewer of these kind of industrial accidents.

you are tap dancing around the information............ I didn't expect anything less.........

[ArlJim78]

Good morning Shanghai, where your job is green and so is the air you breathe.

http://weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/shanghai.jpg

[bigmack]

http://www.kfiam640.com/cc-common/mlib/616/03/616_1268267789.jpg

Moonbeam was tight with Jim Jones. Now there's some KoolAid

[JustRalph]

What I can say? I have stated the facts about Spain and he responded with some economic double talk from some conservative site. Not once did he address the fact that tourism was/is the industry in Spain and the cash coming into the country from it has dropped to trickle. In this country places like Las Vegas have the same problem. Places that live by the tourist dollar die by tourist dollar. China is probably the place that is investing in green technology more than any other place in the world and they are booming. But they have couple of other things going for them, not the least of which is that they do not put up with industry screw ups. If that oil spill had happen in china, there would be families getting bills for bullets. That is why they have fewer of these kind of industrial accidents.

Hey Goren.......just checking in .........SPAIN IS STILL FINE!!!

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/nini-and-the-european-dream/article1642865/

Nini and the European Dream

Estudias o trabajas?” When young Spaniards gather around the bars and patios, that’s their traditional icebreaker line: “You study or work?” In the past year, it’s become almost mandatory to answer, with a self-effacing smirk: “Nini.”

It is half a joke, for nini is a way of saying “neither-nor,” and NINI is the Spanish government acronym for “Not in education or employment” – that is, lost to the economy.

But it’s not really a joke, because now almost everyone is NINI. The under-30 unemployment rate in Spain has just hit 44 per cent, twice the adult rate. Italy also has passed the 40 per cent mark, and Greece has gone even further. If you count all the people who’ve given up looking, it means the number of people between 20 and 30 who have any form of employment in these countries is something like one in five.

An entire European generation is leaving school to discover they have no place in the economy.


MORE AT THE LINK

[delayjf]

China is probably the place that is investing in green technology more than any other place in the world and they are booming.

China maybe prospering, but not because of any green economy.

[Tom]

The only green China is investing in is green lead paint on every toy they send here.

[Robert Goren]

The only green China is investing in is green lead paint on every toy they send here. that is pretty funny. :lol:

[JustRalph]

Hey Goren. Spain still kicking ass...........

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/19/spain-election-idUSL5E7MJ07320111119

'No jobs....no hope.......'

[Steve 'StatMan']

The pain in Spain comes mainly from the reign.

[boxcar]

Hey Goren. Spain still kicking ass...........

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/19/spain-election-idUSL5E7MJ07320111119

'No jobs....no hope.......'

Sounds like they could use the genius and expertise of King Bailout Obama. He should run for PM over there after he's done trashing this nation. Spain and he deserve one another. Plus he'd be in closer proximity to his Muslim faith over there.

Boxcar

[Robert Goren]

I love the way you conservatives twist things around. Nobody is bailing out any of the PIIGS countries. They are bailing out the banks who hold their notes. If hedge funds held the notes instead of the banks, nobody would care. Of course the banks would not hold those notes if they thought they weren't going to bailed out.

[Tom]

The pain in Spain comes mainly from the reign.

By George, he's got it!
By George he's got it!

Now, once again, where is does the pain come from?

[Steve 'StatMan']

By George, he's got it!
By George he's got it!

Now, once again, where is does the pain come from?

The pain in Spain comes mainly from the reign! :)

[PaceAdvantage]

I love the way you conservatives twist things around.Oh yes...conservatives have the market cornered on twisting things around... :rolleyes:

[Robert Goren]

Hey Goren. Spain still kicking ass...........

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/19/spain-election-idUSL5E7MJ07320111119

'No jobs....no hope.......'And still no tourists from England and Germany.