Zenyatta....love her, or hate her?

[horses4courses]

With all the fervor for and against Zenyatta, are you rooting for her tomorrow?

[andymays]

I'm going to single St. Trinians.

Most of Zenyattas detractors want to see her run against the best on dirt and max out her performance. If she does that and runs credibly, even if she gets beat, she will gain respect and not lose respect.

[Hedevar]

With all the fervor for and against Zenyatta, are you rooting for her tomorrow?

It's not the horse that people dislike. What sane person could hate a horse? It is the Zenyattians that irritate the hell out of people.

[horses4courses]

It's not the horse that people dislike. What sane person could hate a horse? It is the Zenyattians that irritate the hell out of people.

You're assuming everyone is sane around here?

[andymays]

The dispute is really about synthetic surfaces, HOY, and the connections (mainly the people who love to knock Jess Jackson. Not that some of the knocks are without merit). All other disputes come from that stuff.

[GaryG]

I'm going to single St. Trinians.A bold move Andy....remember: A faint heart never won a fair lady.

[Greyfox]

I couldn't vote. There was no poll item for the likes of me.
I believe that Zenyatta is a marvelous mare. But root for her?
I've bet against her every time and lost. I'll never get my money back in a short field even if she loses.

[joanied]

I'm rooting for her all the way:jump:
I beleive St. T is going to make Z work for it, but at the wire, Zenyatta prevails!
I'm even looking forward to the race call:)

[thespaah]

With all the fervor for and against Zenyatta, are you rooting for her tomorrow?
I have a tough time stomaching the "fans". As for the horse herself, it's all about the dollars that can be made at the window.

[Sericm]

It's not the horse that people dislike. What sane person could hate a horse? It is the Zenyattians that irritate the hell out of people.

Unlike the people that keep insisting RA has run two great races this year only to get beat by Horses that couldn't even warm her up last year. This still makes RA great! RA will finish no better than 3rd today.

Sericm

[5k-claim]

With all the fervor for and against Zenyatta, are you rooting for her tomorrow?

Hi horses4courses,

I guess I didn't really "fall in love" with Z until I saw her in person at the BC last year, but since that time I am on her side all they way. I will be rooting like hell for her tomorrow.

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[Learned Hand35]

It was a process, but I am finally and fully in Z's corner.

There were a number of reasons why I was orginally "anti-Z." But the main reason was the many of the Z's fans got on my last nerve especially:

a. "The turn Z's talents and victories into some sort of comment on the socio-political state of gender relationships" group of fans. Hey wanna be Betty Friedan, shut the %&$* up. It is a horse race not a bra burning.

b. The it is a "west coast-east coast thing and the west coast is gettin' disrespected" group. Hey Snoop Dog, shut the $%#* up. Are you going to do a drive by on the other horses if Z loses? I distinctly remember some POS jumping in front of the camera during one of Z's wins last summer and throwing up gang signs. This guy isn't the only "gangsta" wannabe proud that Z is "repping the WESTSIDE." Hard for me to pull for any athlete(s) that has/have these kind of clowns as fans.

c. The "you can't like both horses" group. I really like RA and found her wins last year inspiring. The vitriol from those on the "otherside" when talking about RA really soured me on Z.


Got fullly in Z's corner after three things:

1. The BC win really impressed me.

2. Idiotic for me to take it out on the horse that she got stuck with so many clowns as fans. (Not to mention RA has her fair share.)

3. Apple Blossom. Finally saw her in person. Literally feet away and you can just feel there is something special about the horse. Not only physical power, but also intelligence. She is total character and I knew there was no way I could ever root against the horse ever again.

[TheBid9]

This is a very talented and intelligent race horse! She has a great sense of pace and instinctively knows when to get involved in the race. Mike Smith stated he's doing less on her every race and just letting her do her thing. There's something to be said for a performer who has won everything she's participated in, goes out and beats the best boys around, and wins on any surface!

GO BIG MAMA!!!

[cpitt84]

She's fantastic.....I'm rooting for her all the way!

[Stillriledup]

Its important that she wins. Its good for racing.

[BluegrassProf]

RA will finish no better than 3rd today.

Sericm :D Keep it up.

[Hedevar]

Unlike the people that keep insisting RA has run two great races this year only to get beat by Horses that couldn't even warm her up last year. This still makes RA great! RA will finish no better than 3rd today.

Sericm

Congratulations! You have just won the Ken Rudolph TVG Handicapping Lifetime Achievment Award. The trophy will be in the mail.

[thaskalos]

Hate her? How can I hate, or even "mildly" criticize, a horse that hasn't taken a wrong step her entire career?

Her critics feel that their criticism of her is justified - but one thing is certain...

They will miss her when she is gone!

[horses4courses]

Hate her? How can I hate, or even criticize, a horse that hasn't taken a wrong step her entire career?

Her critics feel that their criticism of her is justified - but one thing is certain...They will miss her when she is gone!

I agree that the term "hate" may be over the top.......

As far as poling goes, it was meant to imply that there are those who believe that Zenyatta is overrated. They can vote accordingly.

[thaskalos]

I agree that the term "hate" may be over the top.......

As far as poling goes, it was meant to imply that there are those who believe that Zenyatta is overrated. They can vote accordingly. I understand your use of the word hate. After all...you can't counterbalance the word "love" with "dislike".

Love and hate go well together.

[Java Gold@TFT]

The mare is fantatsic - The Moss's - not so much. I can understand being a Californian and wanting to race her where you are based but at least step up to the table while you stay on the plastic. Run her in the HGC and Pac Classic and what did you say to the racing secretary that he thought her weight shouldn't change after 5 more G-I victories including the BC Classic? I consider him and some of her fans to be part of the 'connections' that I can't stand. The horse is wonderful.

[Hanover1]

Unlike the people that keep insisting RA has run two great races this year only to get beat by Horses that couldn't even warm her up last year. This still makes RA great! RA will finish no better than 3rd today.

Sericm
:lol: nice call.......

[Hanover1]

Z and connections are class act.....shame they cannot make the whiners and internet trainers happy.....if the idea here is to wager and win, why care about the name of the horse or who owns them?? :confused:

[WinterTriangle]

I guess I didn't really "fall in love" with Z until I saw her in person

That seems to happen a lot.


Most of Zenyattas detractors want to see her run against the best on dirt and max out her performance. If she does that and runs credibly, even if she gets beat, she will gain respect and not lose respect.

Well it's looking good for Rachel, QR, and Zenyatta all in the BC, I hope.

[PaceAdvantage]

Well it's looking good for Rachel, QR, and Zenyatta all in the BC, I hope.I wouldn't be surprised to see Zenyatta face Rachel in the Breeders' Cup...but in the Distaff (I, like CJ refuse to call it by its new silly name), not the BC Classic.

If QR stays healthy and I Want Revenge comes back in good order and some other 3yo steps up and/or older horses like Blame continue to improve, I think even Zenyatta's connections might rethink the BC Classic...

[thaskalos]

Most of Zenyattas detractors want to see her run against the best on dirt and max out her performance. If she does that and runs credibly, even if she gets beat, she will gain respect and not lose respect. You wanna bet?

If Zenyatta gets beat facing males on dirt...you won't believe what you will read on these boards...

[horses4courses]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Zenyatta face Rachel in the Breeders' Cup...but in the Distaff (I, like CJ refuse to call it by its new silly name), not the BC Classic.

If QR stays healthy and I Want Revenge comes back in good order and some other 3yo steps up and/or older horses like Blame continue to improve, I think even Zenyatta's connections might rethink the BC Classic...

Never in a million years would I see a defending BC Classic champion, such as Zenyatta, opt for an inferior race the following year.

It's the Classic, or stay home in the barn in November.............

[WinterTriangle]

You wanna bet?

If Zenyatta gets beat facing males on dirt...you won't believe what you will read on these boards...

I don't know if she would win, thaskalos. But it is hard to keep winning, regardless of where your racing and who. Regardless.

Horses from one year to the next don't always carry forward their form. To do it over several seasons is remarkable these days.
Bullsbay has finished out of the money for the 5th time now since the Woodward.
Macho Again has also finished off the board in every race since the Woodward. 4x counting today.
Rachel herself has lost 2 races since then.


So---I give Zenyatta credit for being 6, staying in condition, and still winning/running in the money. If it was so easy, then the others should be doing it, and they aren't. Take any 4 horses, even if they're running against lesser, and most just don't have winning streaks like this.

Some people will bash Z's connections for being too conservative. That's fine. I'm sure Sheriff's isn't the ONLY conservative trainer out there...are they winning consequetive races over several seasons with their horse?

I can think of a few who are even more conservative than sheriffs, and they aren't doin it. :) There will be arguments forever, but they won't be able to rip the pages out of the history books that hold both RA's and Zen's name in them. ;)

[Skanoochies]

Personally, I love them both. And I won`t lose a lot of faith or feelings about them if either lose. They run their hearts out for us, both with totally different styles.

Long live Raechel and Zenyatta. :ThmbUp:

[Stillriledup]

Why would you hate her?

[5k-claim]

I guess I didn't really "fall in love" with Z until I saw her in person


That seems to happen a lot.


Love at first sight. When she walked by I said: "Wow. OK, now I get it."

Reminded me of the first time I saw Bernardini in person, at Churchill.

.

[Jasonm921]

Hate her? How can I hate, or even "mildly" criticize, a horse that hasn't taken a wrong step her entire career?

Her critics feel that their criticism of her is justified - but one thing is certain...

They will miss her when she is gone!


Miss her? She hasn't step foot in NY in the 4 years she has been racing. I hardly know her.

[Sericm]

Congratulations! You have just won the Ken Rudolph TVG Handicapping Lifetime Achievment Award. The trophy will be in the mail.

"Now that there is funny, I don't care who your are.":D

Sericm

[WinterTriangle]

She hasn't step foot in NY in the 4 years she has been racing. I hardly know her.

Move to Arkansas!

Who knew, when I moved "into the middle of nowhere" (from New York) that I would see both Zenyatta and Rachel at my local track :D

[shouldacoulda]

I didn't even know who Zenyata was until she beat Gio Ponte at Hollywood last year and blew out my exacta and win bet. Keep in mind I had only started playing again a few months before after a long hiatus. I like them both Z & RA. I just can't hate a horse, they are just doing what they are trained to do. Now, jockeys on the other hand.... I still don't "hate" them, but there are a few I have an extreme disliking for on any given day.

[Rackon]

If you like horses and racing I just don't see how you couldn't like a nice horse, which Zenyatta assuredly is.

The special ones come along so rarely that the ones that do are like a gift. They aren't around that long - we are tremendously fortunate that neither of the top females of 2009 were retired, plus we have several other nice mares still on the track. Rejoice, race fans!

And good for RA yesterday.

[tucker6]

If you like horses and racing I just don't see how you couldn't like a nice horse, which Zenyatta assuredly is.

The special ones come along so rarely that the ones that do are like a gift. They aren't around that long - we are tremendously fortunate that neither of the top females of 2009 were retired, plus we have several other nice mares still on the track. Rejoice, race fans!

And good for RA yesterday.
See, here's the problem for me. I like Zenyatta, but I don't consider her special. If she wasn't so coddled and had run a normal race career where she progresses against better competition on various track around the country ON A CONSISTENT BASIS, then I'd change my mind. It is apparent that her handlers are more concerned about her record than her champion legacy. Many of you will say that undefeated is her legacy, but for many of us, it's a hollow record to say the least. In fact, please find me a more pathetic path to undefeated horse in the history of racing.

[Rackon]

See, here's the problem for me. I like Zenyatta, but I don't consider her special. If she wasn't so coddled and had run a normal race career where she progresses against better competition on various track around the country ON A CONSISTENT BASIS, then I'd change my mind. It is apparent that her handlers are more concerned about her record than her champion legacy. Many of you will say that undefeated is her legacy, but for many of us, it's a hollow record to say the least. In fact, please find me a more pathetic path to undefeated horse in the history of racing.

I do think the connections are a bit conservative, yes, but she's still pretty damned special - that BC was a thrill, period. 16 wins including G1s anywhere is pretty dmaned special and hard to do, I don't care WHO/WHAT you're racing against.

Speaking as a horse owner, if I had a Zenyatta, I might be conservative too. The goal is the BCC - this fall. That's a long way off.

I'll let history take care of her over-all place in the scheme of things. I don't mind reasonable discussion and debate about her competition or lack of it. But if you don't think Zenyatta is special, you don't know much about horses IMO. Ever owned a race horse???

I'm also outa patience with all the folks that thought RA was cooked. The internet is a funny place.

[tucker6]

I do think the connections are a bit conservative, yes, but she's still pretty damned special - that BC was a thrill, period. 16 wins including G1s anywhere is pretty dmaned special and hard to do, I don't care WHO/WHAT you're racing against.

Speaking as a horse owner, if I had a Zenyatta, I might be conservative too. The goal is the BCC - this fall. That's a long way off.

I'll let history take care of her over-all place in the scheme of things. I don't mind reasonable discussion and debate about her competition or lack of it. But if you don't think Zenyatta is special, you don't know much about horses IMO. Ever owned a race horse???

I'm also outa patience with all the folks that thought RA was cooked. The internet is a funny place.
I don't have to have ever owned a horse to be able to form an opinion do I?? Personally, I don't think she is all that special. She's been handled very well indeed, and that covers up a multitude of sin, IMHO. The BBC is an example of being handled very well. She won the pre-eminent race of the YEAR without having to race against anyone who was a good poly specialist. That's called picking your spot carefully, and succeeding. Yeah she won, but on dirt, she doesn't. Yes, that's MHO.

[surfdog89]

I was at Del Mar in 96 to see Cigar win the Pacific but Dare and Go won................ love to see her win today.....


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[senortout]

I don't have to have ever owned a horse to be able to form an opinion do I?? Personally, I don't think she is all that special. She's been handled very well indeed, and that covers up a multitude of sin, IMHO. The BBC is an example of being handled very well. She won the pre-eminent race of the YEAR without having to race against anyone who was a good poly specialist. That's called picking your spot carefully, and succeeding. Yeah she won, but on dirt, she doesn't. Yes, that's MHO.

Handled quite well, ya meant to say. What multitude of sins? How's winning a BC race with your 2nd string mare Life Is Sweet, and then turning around and winning the whole enchilada with Zenyatta.....really folks, isn't this more or less the path you'd follow if you had the real goods? Someone wants to bump you off your pedestal, let em come and get you, is what I say.

ps Rachel ran her eye balls out yesterday, and made it look e.a.s.y. Both fine mares.

[classhandicapper]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Zenyatta face Rachel in the Breeders' Cup...but in the Distaff (I, like CJ refuse to call it by its new silly name), not the BC Classic.

If QR stays healthy and I Want Revenge comes back in good order and some other 3yo steps up and/or older horses like Blame continue to improve, I think even Zenyatta's connections might rethink the BC Classic...

"IF" she wins today and both stay sound and continue racing well, I think the Zenyatta camp would be better off facing RA in the Classic than the Distaff even though the overall quality of the Classic would be superior.

In the Classic, RA would almost certainly have to contend with older Grade 1 quality speed horses either in front of her or taking pot shots at her later and then still have to negotiate the 10F.

In the Distaff, she will almost certainly be the dominant speed or be able to relax off the lead and control matters and only have to get 9F.

In terms of just finishing ahead of RA, there is no contest about where Zenyatta is better off trying to beat her. Perhaps they'll be happier finishing 2nd-4th in a race where RA is well off the board than risking finishing 2nd to her in the Distaff.

This is basically the same view I held when they were talking about the Apple Blossom. I thought that was stupid race for the Zenyatta camp to tangle with her (before RA came back short etc...). Their best bet is to tangle with her against very good colts that can soften her up and give Zenyatta some pace.

[thaskalos]

See, here's the problem for me. I like Zenyatta, but I don't consider her special...In fact, please find me a more pathetic path to undefeated horse in the history of racing. The reason it's hard to find "a more pathetic path to an undefeated horse in the history of racing", is because there are hardly any other undefeated horses in the history of racing.

I mean...take out Personal Ensign, and whom do you have left?

The fact that undefeated horses, at the top level of the sport, are almost non-existent...makes them special!

Don't forget...she is a mare, so she should not be compared to Man O' War...

[tucker6]

The reason it's hard to find "a more pathetic path to an undefeated horse in the history of racing", is because there are hardly any other undefeated horses in the history of racing.

I mean...take out Personal Ensign, and whom do you have left?

The fact that undefeated horses, at the top level of the sport, are almost non-existent...makes them special!

Don't forget...she is a mare, so she should not be compared to Man O' War...
Man O' War wasn't undefeated. He was 'upset'. Ask yourself what legacy is more important 30 years from now. An undefeated career where the horse dodges the best competition and doesn't set track records doing it OR, a horse that loses a couple times but runs against the best in his/her day, and wins most times, in glorious fashion and in fast times.

Sorry, but I'll take Secretariat, Spectacular Bid, Ruffian, Ladies Secret, and Seattle Slew.

[thaskalos]

Man O' War wasn't undefeated. He was 'upset'. Ask yourself what legacy is more important 30 years from now. An undefeated career where the horse dodges the best competition and doesn't set track records doing it OR, a horse that loses a couple times but runs against the best in his/her day, and wins most times, in glorious fashion and in fast times.

Sorry, but I'll take Secretariat, Spectacular Bid, Ruffian, Ladies Secret, and Seattle Slew. My vision is not penetrating enough to allow me to glance 30 years into the future Tucker...and neither is yours.

First you make the absurd comment that there is nothing special about Zenyatta...and then you proceed to compare her with Secretariat, Spectacular Bid, Seattle Slew, etc...

IMO her connections are justified in dodging the best competition...their main priorities are (A) the welfare of their horse, and (B) stuffing their wallets. I dare say that if you were in their position you would do the same. They couldn't care less about satisfying the curiosity of disapproving horseplayers.

As far as her legacy in the sport is concerned...that should be left for history to decide.

[Grits]

Thaskalos wrote: IMO her connections are justified in dodging the best competition...their main priorities are (A) the welfare of their horse, and (B) stuffing their wallets. I dare say that if you were in their position you would do the same. They couldn't care less about satisfying the curiosity of disapproving horseplayers.

Thaskalos, Your opinion about Zenyatta's racing career is correct, though, I fail to see where anyone is justified in dodging their competition, time and time again. Jerry and Ann Moss have more money than God. This has been about satisfying the Mosses. Not anyone else, aside from, maybe, all of Southern California, but that's about it.

The Mosses have not been sporting in the general sense, or else they wouldn't have gone back on their word so many times. One's word usually means something, it has not in their case. The only sporting thing Jerry and Ann Moss have done is kept their mare in training. And that's a good thing, but what they've done more than anything else is talk out of both sides of their mouths. Their trainer included.

If I were in their position, no, absolutely no. I wouldn't not have campaigned my horse with the same program for years running, and I certainly wouldn't have GONE BACK ON MY WORD, REPEATEDLY.

Zenyatta's achievements are outstanding. Still, her legacy WILL BE she's the greatest mare to ever run on synthetic surfaces beating the same horses time and again.

Sadly, this has been, and still is, all about the record, and surpassing all other's consecutive wins. The record means this much to them, and for them, I hope she wins and achieves it today. Good luck. If she is beaten, she'll still be a great race mare!!! And she'll recover nicely. Ann Moss, though, may have to enter a medical facility.:faint:

Either way, I'll be watching. She's an extraordinary showgirl.

And by the way, the title of this thread really sucks! Who could HATE a racehorse? How foolish.

[tucker6]

My vision is not penetrating enough to allow me to glance 30 years into the future Tucker...and neither is yours.

First you make the absurd comment that there is nothing special about Zenyatta...and then you proceed to compare her with Secretariat, Spectacular Bid, Seattle Slew, etc...

IMO her connections are justified in dodging the best competition...their main priorities are (A) the welfare of their horse, and (B) stuffing their wallets. I dare say that if you were in their position you would do the same. They couldn't care less about satisfying the curiosity of disapproving horseplayers.

As far as her legacy in the sport is concerned...that should be left for history to decide.
I didn't compare her to the those greats, as she has yet to prove that she is ...

That was the point I was trying to make.

[Tom]

They certainly love her at Hollywood.....what a turnout!

[cpitt84]

im so pumped!

[098poi]

I almost had a heart attack!!!!!!!

[cpitt84]

me too!!!!! wow....wow!!! amazing!

[bisket]

thats the absolute worst way to come out of the turn. she almost stopped completely, and still ran st trinians down. eventhough trinians was able to keep her momentum coming out of the turn. the other jocks did a good job putting smith in that position, but when your on the porsche, and the others are piloting a honda accord it doesn't matter. she's incredible!!!

[cpitt84]

is there any horse out there right now that can beat zenyatta?

[bisket]

is there any horse out there right now that can beat zenyatta?
nope!!!!! not at 1 1/4 mile. i'd give quality a 50/50 chance at 1 1/8 mile. the rest are staring at her duppa at the finish

[cpitt84]

nope!!!!! not at 1 1/4 mile. i'd give quality a 50/50 chance at 1 1/8 mile. the rest are staring at her duppa at the finish

i dont think rachel alexandra should even try it in the breeders cup. i think her owner will see after this race that you just cant beat zenyatta.

[BluegrassProf]

nope!!!!! not at 1 1/4 mile. i'd give quality a 50/50 chance at 1 1/8 mile. the rest are staring at her duppa at the finishi dont think rachel alexandra should even try it in the breeders cup. i think her owner will see after this race that you just cant beat zenyatta. :D Spectacular.

Kimmy! Where are ya when we need ya!??

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[cpitt84]

:D Spectacular.

Kimmy! Where are ya when we need ya!??

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Watch out, hyperbole outlaws! It's the Looooone Wrangler!

you really think rachel has a shot at zenyatta? come on now! what more does she have to do? 17-0!!

[andymays]

you really think rachel has a shot at zenyatta? come on now! what more does she have to do? 17-0!!


She has to beat a grade 1 field of males with the likes of Quality Road on dirt at a mile and one eighth or a mile and one quarter to put the subject to rest.

[cpitt84]

She has to beat a grade 1 field of males with the likes of Quality Road on dirt at a mile and one eighth or a mile and one quarter to put the subject to rest.

i agree. And i really hope QR and Zenyatta remain healthy to meet at the breeders cup.

But, while Rachel has my heart, she's no match for Zenyatta.

[andymays]

i agree. And i really hope QR and Zenyatta remain healthy to meet at the breeders cup.

But, while Rachel has my heart, she's no match for Zenyatta.


The race Rachel ran yesterday was outstanding.

You never know someone might put up some big dough again for them to face one another. Probably not the 5 million that Oaklawn was gonna put up but maybe a million or more.

I'm sure Jess Jackson will open his mouth tomorrow and start something up. He can't help it.

[BluegrassProf]

you really think rachel has a shot at zenyatta? come on now! what more does she have to do? 17-0!!Not again. Seriously.

Look through about 7,000 pages and 138,000 threads for your answer, over and over and over again.

But puh-LEASE, until then, enjoy the win without sporting the crazy-eyes. Good day for sport! ;) :ThmbUp:

[tzipi]

is there any horse out there right now that can beat zenyatta?

Yeah there is BUT she has to face them. Will she surely lose?.....no. But there are more horses out there. Todays was not even close to the best horses out there. Same thing for RA race this weekend. Was that the best? No. I do not know why these cupcake races( RA AND Zens) start these OMG they are the best chat. Trainers and owners from back in the day are probably rolling in their graves :D . These two horses should be facing the best company, not lower level walkovers.

[cpitt84]

The race Rachel ran yesterday was outstanding.

You never know someone might put up some big dough again for them to face one another. Probably not the 5 million that Oaklawn was gonna put up but maybe a million or more.

I'm sure Jess Jackson will open his mouth tomorrow and start something up. He can't help it.

Its tough because they are both great females and Rachel clearly has shown excellence by winning against males three times.

But, at the same time, zenyatta has won every race from the back and sometimes, having to close within seconds. She can catch a fast runner like rachel alexandra and i dont think rachel can keep her off...like she showed with unrivalled belle.

I am just thankful to witness these two great horses in this century.

[Hedevar]

is there any horse out there right now that can beat zenyatta?

tzipi is absolutely right. Referring to your earlier post it will not have to be the reincarnation of Secretariat. I realize you're new to racing but there are horses that are much better than the ones Zenyatta faced today out there waiting. Time will tell if they ever face each other and what surface they race on.

[cpitt84]

tzipi is absolutely right. Referring to your earlier post it will not have to be the reincarnation of Secretariat. I realize you're new to racing but there are horses that are much better than the ones Zenyatta faced today out there waiting. Time will tell if they ever face each other and what surface they race on.

I am new to racing but i know there are better horses than what zenyatta has faced today. After seeing Blame have that incredible jump speed yesterday, he is a legitimate threat to zenyatta. The horse who has the potential to beat zenyatta has got to have the speed.

[bks]

I do not know why these cupcake races( RA AND Zens) start these OMG they are the best chat. Trainers and owners from back in the day are probably rolling in their graves . These two horses should be facing the best company, not lower level walkovers.

Don't compare the field Rachel demolished with the field Zenyatta just faced. St. Trinian's is a top-class mare and was a deserving Big 'Cap favorite. She was just 2-1 against Zenyatta on merit, and would have been 2/5 against the field Rachel beat.

[Jasonm921]

On what surface????????????

[tzipi]

Don't compare the field Rachel demolished with the field Zenyatta just faced. St. Trinian's is a top-class mare and was a deserving Big 'Cap favorite. She was just 2-1 against Zenyatta on merit, and would have been 2/5 against the field Rachel beat.

Zen should be facing males. We know she can beat these kind of fields in California. She's been doing it for two years now. Zen is not an untalented nag. Start entering the top male races out there. It was fun in the beginning but it's gotten old. Is there something wrong with saying hey I want to watch her come into the stretch on her far turn roll against the top males. That's all. There was no knock on Zen in my post. The only people I do knock is the connections some times.

[Grits]

Don't compare the field Rachel demolished with the field Zenyatta just faced. St. Trinian's is a top-class mare and was a deserving Big 'Cap favorite. She was just 2-1 against Zenyatta on merit, and would have been 2/5 against the field Rachel beat.

This could well be true, but you're the same guy who just stated Zenyatta went by way of the parking lot at the top of the turn, while ignoring the fact that St.T. was to her inside, and floating her out bigger than damn.

You're complaining about Zenyatta, yet how far beyond mid path out was St.T????

Maybe you missed that part.

[Kimsus]

:D Spectacular.

Kimmy! Where are ya when we need ya!??

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Watch out, hyperbole outlaws! It's the Looooone Wrangler!

I'm more partial to Kato and the Green Hornet, however I will agree with for just this once, it was a good day for racing. ;)

How about that?

[bks]

Grits wrote:

This could well be true, but you're the same guy who just stated Zenyatta went by way of the parking lot at the top of the turn, while ignoring the fact that St.T. was to her inside, and floating her out bigger than damn.

You're complaining about Zenyatta, yet how far beyond mid path out was St.T????

I wasn't complaining about Zenyatta at all. I was pointing out that Zenyatta just beat a field that included a top mare in top form, and after getting the worst of the trip.

I agree Garcia rode a great race, if that's your point. But St. T was not nearly as far wide on the turn as Zenyatta. Smith took Zenyatta two paths wider by my estimation into the stretch. He often leaves a buffer between her and the horse to her inside when he swings wide. It's aggravating.

[PaceAdvantage]

Don't compare the field Rachel demolished with the field Zenyatta just faced. St. Trinian's is a top-class mare and was a deserving Big 'Cap favorite. She was just 2-1 against Zenyatta on merit, and would have been 2/5 against the field Rachel beat.Wow.

On many counts.

[PaceAdvantage]

I know a lot of people aren't going to believe this, but I voted:

She's fantastic.....I'm rooting for her all the way!

But I should qualify that by saying ***except if she is in a race against Rachel Alexandra***

[GaryG]

I know a lot of people aren't going to believe this, but I voted:

She's fantastic.....I'm rooting for her all the way!

But I should qualify that by saying ***except if she is in a race against Rachel Alexandra***This sums my feelings up almost exactly, except that I have negative feelings about Jerry Moss. His first gig was promoting Sixteen Candles by The Crests. That was one of the most notorious payola records of the era. Sure has got a nice smile though....by the way Johnny Maestro (Mastrangelo) who sang lead for the Crests and later the Brooklyn Bridge recently passed on....R.I P. Johnny.