What causes asthmatic bronchitis?

[jognlope]

Gotten it twice, sitting hear worried I'll get it again. I have a little of the "normal bronchitis." So if you don't have asthma normally what makes you get the bronchospasm every few years get asthmatic bronchitis? Stress, low immunity, irritants?

[JustRalph]

http://www.webmd.com/asthma/asthmatic-bronchitis-symptoms-treatment

[boxcar]

Gotten it twice, sitting hear worried I'll get it again. I have a little of the "normal bronchitis." So if you don't have asthma normally what makes you get the bronchospasm every few years get asthmatic bronchitis? Stress, low immunity, irritants?

For a natural treatment, you might want to look into Miracle Minerals Solution. When activated, it is transformed into chlorine dioxide and is an extremely powerful pathogen killer that would also help to build up your immune system.

Boxcar

[jognlope]

I looked it up, says it tastes terrible. I'm not very brave about taking new things, but thanks. I rearranged so no cats sleeping with me at night. They were of course pawing at the door, but they'll get used to it. Vacuumed everywhere and will do some more steam. Feel pretty good for 4:51 am. I think it's stress and irritants.

[boxcar]

I looked it up, says it tastes terrible. I'm not very brave about taking new things, but thanks. I rearranged so no cats sleeping with me at night. They were of course pawing at the door, but they'll get used to it. Vacuumed everywhere and will do some more steam. Feel pretty good for 4:51 am. I think it's stress and irritants.

Not if you take it with something that masks the taste, e.g. apple juice, cranberry juice, etc. I take mine with about 4 oz. of organic apple juice, and can barely taste the stuff at a 6-drop dosage level. With more juice, probably wouldn't taste anything....

Boxcar

[jognlope]

Sounds good, will try, a little bit.

[Robert Goren]

I have some seasonal asthma. When the humity goes up, it gets worse. What does your doctor say. If it is a viral thing, then you probably are going to catch from time to time. It seems like once you get something like this, it comes back easily. I know one thing, once it flares up, stuff that normally don't bother you will make seem worse. The good news is that when it dies back down, those don't bother you anymore. I hope you get well real soon.

[boxcar]

Sounds good, will try, a little bit.

Caution: It's pretty powerful stuff. Start off with one or two drops of the sodium chlorite to see how your system reacts. And don't forget to add 5 drops of citric acid for every one drop of sodium chlorite. Shake up the solution in a glass and let sit for a minimum of three minutes. At the end of that time it has changed into chlorine dioxide and then you can add juice to it.

Juices to use: Pineapple, Apple, Cranberry. NO orange juice! Never use orange juice. Technically, you're not supposed to use any juice that has "vitamin C" (acsorbic acid) added but it's virtually impossible to find any store bought juice that doesn't have this preservative added. My organic apple juice that I buy from Whole Foods has 2% "Vitamin C" added. But I'm still alive and well. :)

Also, just as an aside, this stuff is supposed to be great for oral hygiene and works wonders for the gums (as does colloidal silver, by the way). Haven't used it for this purpose yet, but I plan to.

I wish you the best. It has helped tremendously with my non-stop post-nasal drip problem. I have gotten quite a bit of relief.

Boxcar

[LottaKash]

For a natural treatment, you might want to look into Miracle Minerals Solution. When activated, it is transformed into chlorine dioxide and is an extremely powerful pathogen killer that would also help to build up your immune system.

Boxcar

Natural is the "key" word here....

If you have taken any anti-biotics lately, you "must" start taking "probiotics" to replace the bendficial flora that was also killed per the anti-biotics....This is crucial....70% of your body's immunity comes from the gut...so you must replace those beneficial bugs...

Most Doctors, as sincere and intelligent as they may be, don't address the "root causes" of Asthma....which is "fungus" as well as mold and mildew and certain other viruses and bacteria.....Replacing the Probiotics on an ongoing basis may help here...

Still, "yeast" (Candida Albicans, a fungus) can mimmick a whole host of other diseases ....Yeast are probably the most clever things to invade a person's body, as, they can hide quite well during treatments and efforts to remove them....When you go to a doctor and all the symptoms seem to point to a specific area or disease, the doctors will treat that symptom with a specific "alleged" treatment....Yet the disease only seems to subside, and never goes away and you are left stuck taking that medication for that disease for who knows how long, when in reality, and often enough, "yeast" is the real culprit in many such cases....

A while back, I had a lung removed due to cancer, and in the beginning, with my one remaining lung, I was beset with many ongoing bronchial conditions....I was always getting acute bronchitis, the flu, colds and had pneumonia a time or two as well....Well, the doctors told me that was to be expected....So, they put me on inhalors, anti-biotics (which by the way only kill bacteria, and not anything else) and other man made junk medicines.....Nothing changed until I started to look elsewhere for other reliefs and remedies....Modern doctors and medicine are chemically inclined these days and all they give you are symptom treating band-aids, for your ailments....One must look to more natural things and ideas to get at the real "Root-Causes" of Asthma and other diseases....Not band-aids...

I discovered the "Power of Vitamin-C"....Modern medicine pooh-poohs the idea of using large amounts of Vit-C, and wives tales abound (from the drug companies) that taking large amounts of Vit-C can cause overdoses to your detriment.....Baloney !....(Do a Google on Dr. Klenner and you will see that this is "quite" not true)( Many diseases and conditions can be eradicated, the drug companies see to it tho, that this doesn't happen very often)...I am here to tell you that Vitamin-C is the single most important thing you can take for just about any disease or condition that man can get.....Dr. Klenner disproved this negative thinking about Vit-C....Vit-C, is Anti-bacterial, Anti-fungal, and Anti-Viral, and is the best "Anit-Biotic known to man, and it helps by cleansing the body and by the destruction and removal of a multitude of things....It is a miracle ingredient, and not just a vitamin as we are told and led to believe.....It will do a wondrous job at cleansing the "pipes" by removing all sorts of debris from the body as well (including heart stopping plaque, not to be confused with cholesterol as the drug companies would have you believe)....Like "draino" for the body...

Also, if you live and work in an older environment, or in a closed environment, you are much more susceptible to exacerbated Asthma attacks as well as other bronchial conditions....Many people move to drier climates, like to the American southwest, because Yeast, mold, mildew and fungus do not like the dry places....That is why in older homes, with large buidlups of mold, mildew and funugs and inadequate dehumidifying, you will find "more" Asthma sufferers, and with the most extreme forms of it to boot....The older homes are heavily laden with years and years of parasitic overgrowths....simple...Clean and treat your home or work environment, or you will never rid yourself of Asthma .....

You must get the "Fungus" killed and removed wherever you spend any length of time, to have any chance at all, when it comes to getting at the "root cause" of Asthma...

So for me, since taking "Probiotics", and taking Very-Large-Doses of "Vit-C" each and every day, and by adressing the "Yeast" removal issues, I never get sick anymore, never....


Also, more recent studies have shown that "INHALORS" actually do "more harm" than good....I ditched them a good while back, thankfully...

I sincerlely hope that my offered protocol will help someone deal with any health issue that they may have, especially the Asthma sufferers....

best,

[46zilzal]

New designation for asthma is obstructive airway disease and is simply INCREASED responsiveness of the tracheobronchial tree to a multiplicity of stimuli, often specific to the patient.

Pathologically it is the widespread narrowing of the air passages. Etiologically, it is a heterogeneous disease process and because of this, specific, all encompassing cause and effect cannot be accurately associated with any one case to the frustration of both patient and physician.

[boxcar]

Natural is the "key" word here....

If you have taken any anti-biotics lately, you "must" start taking "probiotics" to replace the bendficial flora that was also killed per the anti-biotics....This is crucial....70% of your body's immunity comes from the gut...so you must replace those beneficial bugs...

Most Doctors, as sincere and intelligent as they may be, don't address the "root causes" of Asthma....which is "fungus" as well as mold and mildew and certain other viruses and bacteria.....Replacing the Probiotics on an ongoing basis may help here...

Still, "yeast" (Candida Albicans, a fungus) can mimmick a whole host of other diseases ....Yeast are probably the most clever things to invade a person's body, as, they can hide quite well during treatments and efforts to remove them....When you go to a doctor and all the symptoms seem to point to a specific area or disease, the doctors will treat that symptom with a specific "alleged" treatment....Yet the disease only seems to subside, and never goes away and you are left stuck taking that medication for that disease for who knows how long, when in reality, and often enough, "yeast" is the real culprit in many such cases....

A while back, I had a lung removed due to cancer, and in the beginning, with my one remaining lung, I was beset with many ongoing bronchial conditions....I was always getting acute bronchitis, the flu, colds and had pneumonia a time or two as well....Well, the doctors told me that was to be expected....So, they put me on inhalors, anti-biotics (which by the way only kill bacteria, and not anything else) and other man made junk medicines.....Nothing changed until I started to look elsewhere for other reliefs and remedies....Modern doctors and medicine are chemically inclined these days and all they give you are symptom treating band-aids, for your ailments....One must look to more natural things and ideas to get at the real "Root-Causes" of Asthma and other diseases....Not band-aids...

I discovered the "Power of Vitamin-C"....Modern medicine pooh-poohs the idea of using large amounts of Vit-C, and wives tales abound (from the drug companies) that taking large amounts of Vit-C can cause overdoses to your detriment.....Baloney !....(Do a Google on Dr. Klenner and you will see that this is "quite" not true)( Many diseases and conditions can be eradicated, the drug companies see to it tho, that this doesn't happen very often)...I am here to tell you that Vitamin-C is the single most important thing you can take for just about any disease or condition that man can get.....Dr. Klenner disproved this negative thinking about Vit-C....Vit-C, is Anti-bacterial, Anti-fungal, and Anti-Viral, and is the best "Anit-Biotic known to man, and it helps by cleansing the body and by the destruction and removal of a multitude of things....It is a miracle ingredient, and not just a vitamin as we are told and led to believe.....It will do a wondrous job at cleansing the "pipes" by removing all sorts of debris from the body as well (including heart stopping plaque, not to be confused with cholesterol as the drug companies would have you believe)....Like "draino" for the body...

Also, if you live and work in an older environment, or in a closed environment, you are much more susceptible to exacerbated Asthma attacks as well as other bronchial conditions....Many people move to drier climates, like to the American southwest, because Yeast, mold, mildew and fungus do not like the dry places....That is why in older homes, with large buidlups of mold, mildew and funugs and inadequate dehumidifying, you will find "more" Asthma sufferers, and with the most extreme forms of it to boot....The older homes are heavily laden with years and years of parasitic overgrowths....simple...Clean and treat your home or work environment, or you will never rid yourself of Asthma .....

You must get the "Fungus" killed and removed wherever you spend any length of time, to have any chance at all, when it comes to getting at the "root cause" of Asthma...

So for me, since taking "Probiotics", and taking Very-Large-Doses of "Vit-C" each and every day, and by adressing the "Yeast" removal issues, I never get sick anymore, never....


Also, more recent studies have shown that "INHALORS" actually do "more harm" than good....I ditched them a good while back, thankfully...

I sincerlely hope that my offered protocol will help someone deal with any health issue that they may have, especially the Asthma sufferers....

best,

Great post! You're spot on! :ThmbUp: :ThmbUp:

Several years ago, I discovered a very potent, NATURAL vitamin C called Amla-C Plus. It's actually a food -- from the Amla Berry and it's very potent and it is 12 X more assimilable than synthetic C. I basically eat only two meals a day, and I take two of these with every meal. I'd say that in the last 10 years, I have caught the flu once and have had no more than two colds during this period and even then...they disappear quickly when I increase the dosage. I swear by this product. It's great! I should probably take more of it. :)

Boxcar

[46zilzal]

Old saying relates to many fields..."The lawyer who defends himself has a fool for a client."

OBJECTIVITY is lost in self treatment and self diagnosis especially with all the BOGUS malarkey being hawked by the pharmaceutical clowns. This is why it is never a good idea for family members to be patients.

It behooves ANYONE to understand the PATHOLOGY as much as it is understood and then work, as part of a team, WITH a logical physician to deal with BOTH the symptoms complex and the underlying cause if possible.

Once the exacerbating keys are understood, then the patient can anticipate their response and prepare for the result.

[46zilzal]

My wife has had some success with Vitamins but the best thing is to avoid the things (humidity change, known allergens, stressful situations) that bring on the vasoconstriction in EACH case.

http://www.asthmaworld.org/VitCAsthma.htm has some good clinical studies with Vitamin C..............

[boxcar]

Old saying relates to many fields..."The lawyer who defends himself has a fool for a client."

OBJECTIVITY is lost in self treatment and self diagnosis especially with all the BOGUS malarkey being hawked by the pharmaceutical clowns. This is why it is never a good idea for family members to be patients.

It behooves ANYONE to understand the PATHOLOGY as much as it is understood and then work, as part of a team, WITH a logical physician to deal with BOTH the symptoms complex and the underlying cause if possible.

Once the exacerbating keys are understood, then the patient can anticipate their response and prepare for the result.

What a load of crap! In many, if not most cases, no MD is needed, especially when there are other great resources out there for diagnostic purposes.

Since about 1982, I have seen doctors twice in my lifetime. Twice! Once to get a medical confirmation that I actually had a hernia. And then "my" doctor (such as he was) referred me to a surgeon for further confirmation. A couple of weeks later, I had the operation.

Then about a year later, my chiropractor sent me to an orthopaedic guy to get an opinion on a a chronic cervical problem I've had for many years. That's it. Now I know exactly what's wrong.

Bottom line: Since around 1982, I have been taking care of myself very nicely by avoiding doctors like a plague. All people have to do is take charge of their own lives and learn a few basic things about their bodies and how the body works. And if they want periodic checkups, there are holistic-type practitioners out there who can diagnose problems and get to the root causes. And this is the big key. Not to treat just the symptoms but to find the causes to problems and treat those. You kill the root to the problem, you kill the problem. End of story. The medical establishment today does a very poor job in this regard.

Boxcar

[46zilzal]

Chiropractor...well that says a lot about disrespect of science right there. Old Daniel David Palmer, a known charlatan, "invented" it one afternoon in his grocery store.

http://getbetterhealth.com/chiropractors-admit-their-treatments-are-based-on-a-fallacy/2009.12.17

[LottaKash]

Old saying relates to many fields..."The lawyer who defends himself has a fool for a client."

OBJECTIVITY is lost in self treatment and self diagnosis especially with all the BOGUS malarkey being hawked by the pharmaceutical clowns. This is why it is never a good idea for family members to be patients.

It behooves ANYONE to understand the PATHOLOGY as much as it is understood and then work, as part of a team, WITH a logical physician to deal with BOTH the symptoms complex and the underlying cause if possible.

Once the exacerbating keys are understood, then the patient can anticipate their response and prepare for the result.


46 you are so full of crap, you are one of the reasons that drug companies are thriving so well today....

Half the time you sound like a loony....Trying to sound like you "really" know something....

Offer something of value and helpful for a change....Please

You can't tho, because you are a prisoner of the system that educated you....You bring nothing to the table except your delusional sense of self importance..

best,

[46zilzal]

Both Hochsteader (The Rise of Anti-intellectualism in America) in the 60's and more recently Jacoby (The Age of Unreason) have tried to enlighten those who will listen to the rise of anti-intellectual authoritarianism in this country....Sadly few listened

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-intellectualism

Also the medical advice came right from the pages of Harrison's Principles of Internal Medicine, p, 1610

[xtb]

What a load of crap! In many, if not most cases, no MD is needed, especially when there are other great resources out there for diagnostic purposes.


I'll second that, it's an enormous load of crap. My wife suffered from asthma all her life seeing countless doctors including pulmonary specialists up until 5 years ago. Her condition was getting worse each time she went, blood oxygen level dropping into the 80's. Their solution was to keep bumping up her steroids and telling us to get rid of our dogs. We finally figured out her problem ourselves, she suffers from a soy allergy. Soy is in just about everything you eat these days (thanks to our government subsidies to the soy farmers) but you'd never know it by reading ingredients; (modified food starch, mono and diglycerides, lecithin, natural flavoring, vegetable broth, vegetable oil, modified vegetable protein and many others). She has been off all her asthma drugs and inhalers since avoiding soy, leaving her doctors dumbfounded. Her blood oxygen is always 98 or higher whenever it is checked now and she has never been healthier.

[LottaKash]

Great post! You're spot on! :ThmbUp: :ThmbUp:

Several years ago, I discovered a very potent, NATURAL vitamin C called Amla-C Plus. It's actually a food -- from the Amla Berry and it's very potent and it is 12 X more assimilable than synthetic C. I basically eat only two meals a day, and I take two of these with every meal. I'd say that in the last 10 years, I have caught the flu once and have had no more than two colds during this period and even then...they disappear quickly when I increase the dosage. I swear by this product. It's great! I should probably take more of it. :)

Boxcar

Box, thanks for the head's up on this product, I am always looking for newer and better forms of Vit-C, and this one seems to be winner as you have said....

http://www.absolutelythepurest.com/supplements/amla-c-plus.html

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*** As a word of caution for those that may be interested in taking "more" vitamin-C for better health.....Vit-C is so powerful that it has a way of "leeching essential Minerals" from the bones and tissue....So, it is quite important that you supplement those lost minerals along with the Vit-C...That is why I use this "powdered form" of Vit-C....They (the minerals) must be in the form of "chelates" or "ascorbates" (not carbonates)

http://www.vitacost.com/Twinlab-Super-Ascorbate-C-Powder#IngredientFacts
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*** It is also important that you know the source of the Vit-C that you are taking....Some 80%+ nowadays, of Vit-C, comes from "CHINA" and we all know how much they care about the quality of "OUR" health..haha...

Three cheers for "C"....God's "natural and healing gift" to us...

best,

[boxcar]

Box, thanks for the head's up on this product, I am always looking for newer and better forms of Vit-C, and this one seems to be winner as you have said....

http://www.absolutelythepurest.com/supplements/amla-c-plus.html

================================================== ==

*** As a word of caution for those that may be interested in taking "more" vitamin-C for better health.....Vit-C is so powerful that it has a way of "leeching essential Minerals" from the bones and tissue....So, it is quite important that you supplement those lost minerals along with the Vit-C...That is why I use this "powdered form" of Vit-C....They (the minerals) must be in the form of "chelates" or "ascorbates" (not carbonates)

http://www.vitacost.com/Twinlab-Super-Ascorbate-C-Powder#IngredientFacts
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*** It is also important that you know the source of the Vit-C that you are taking....Some 80%+ nowadays, of Vit-C, comes from "CHINA" and we all know how much they care about the quality of "OUR" health..haha...

Three cheers for "C"....God's "natural and healing gift" to us...

best,

I'll second that, especially since one of my favorite racing angles is the C angle. :D

Boxcar

[LottaKash]

I'll second that, it's an enormous load of crap. My wife suffered from asthma all her life seeing countless doctors including pulmonary specialists up until 5 years ago. Her condition was getting worse each time she went, blood oxygen level dropping into the 80's. Their solution was to keep bumping up her steroids and telling us to get rid of our dogs. We finally figured out her problem ourselves, she suffers from a soy allergy. Soy is in just about everything you eat these days (thanks to our government subsidies to the soy farmers) but you'd never know it by reading ingredients; (modified food starch, mono and diglycerides, lecithin, natural flavoring, vegetable broth, vegetable oil, modified vegetable protein and many others). She has been off all her asthma drugs and inhalers since avoiding soy, leaving her doctors dumbfounded. Her blood oxygen is always 98 or higher whenever it is checked now and she has never been healthier.

Not only that xtb, but "NOW", thanks to Monsanto, 90% of the Soy grown in the USA is now a GMO (genetically modified) and is poisonous and toxic to the human body...Tests have proven that lab-rats become sterile on GMO-Soy...

We must avoid the soy that is being offered to us in the USA, at all costs....

Other countries "will not buy" our "version" of Soy.....In fact most European nations have "BANNED" All GMO derived foods....That is why they don't buy any of our agriculture products any longer....We once were the "bread-basket" to the World....Not anymore....Sad...

Too bad, because Soy is a benign and healthful product, in it's "natural" form....

best,

[46zilzal]

Monsanto is out to control the WORLD's seed supply. They are quietly buying up the major ones and then suing those farmers who's crops get contaminated with the killer gene strains. These clowns are out of control and need to be stopped.

http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_16844.cfm

[LottaKash]

I'll second that, especially since one of my favorite racing angles is the C angle. :D

Boxcar

Some additional notes on Vit-C....:

Exhaustive studes at UCLA, and Cambridge (england) have shown that, people who have taken Vit-C religiously, live 6-7 years longer than those that don't supplement with C.....

Dr. Klenner,(look him up) who was known to have "CURED" a mulitude of diseases with Vit-C protocols, stated that "when a person goes to the emergency room for treatment that, "massive" doses of Vit-C should be adnministered intravenously firstly," to flood the body with it, and then determine next, what is ailing the individuals.....

It is gratifying that some hospitals use this protocol for emergencies now, and I truly believe that the Vitamin-C was more effective at treating the patient, than the subsequent "chemical" treatment that came next...

best,

[jognlope]

Vitamin C is an antiinflammatory too. Probiotic, I should be taking anyway. I guess Activa isn't enough, get the pill probiotic? So far steam has worked. The time I got it last I was in a baseline apt. with five cats and had a lot of stress. I had to use an inhaler to walk 2 blocks to the pharmacy. But I had been smoking for 3 years, quit Easter 4 years ago. Also now I cover mouth when cleaning cat litter, all that dust coming up in my face.

There was a smoke plum from Canada fires last week, too.

[LottaKash]

Vitamin C is an antiinflammatory too. Probiotic, I should be taking anyway. I guess Activa isn't enough, get the pill probiotic? So far steam has worked. The time I got it last I was in a baseline apt. with five cats and had a lot of stress. I had to use an inhaler to walk 2 blocks to the pharmacy. But I had been smoking for 3 years, quit Easter 4 years ago. Also now I cover mouth when cleaning cat litter, all that dust coming up in my face.

There was a smoke plum from Canada fires last week, too.

Hey Jog, if you are looking for an inexpensive yet effective Probiotic, I can recomnmend this one....It is "way cheaper" than "all" the others and works as intended....You just can't beat the price....

It contains "sporogenes", a type of lactobacillus that is like an armored tank and will always find a way into the gut, unlike some other strains that must be taken under optimal conditions in order to survive the journey down the pipes....Not all probiotics are equally effective...

You can find it here....http://www.vitacost.com/Futurebiotics-Longest-Living-Acidophilus-trade#IngredientFacts

best,

[46zilzal]

A commensal growing in ones GI system is to have WHAT mechanism in acted in the bronchioles?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15703684

This must be some new heretofore UNKNOWN physiological mechanism the world needs to investigate. OR is it so much baloney?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15158604

[boxcar]

Both Hochsteader (The Rise of Anti-intellectualism in America) in the 60's and more recently Jacoby (The Age of Unreason) have tried to enlighten those who will listen to the rise of anti-intellectual authoritarianism in this country....Sadly few listened

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-intellectualism

Also the medical advice came right from the pages of Harrison's Principles of Internal Medicine, p, 1610

Here's a clue: The really intelligent people in the world are critical thinkers and learn to think for themselves. Such people are all but immune to propaganda or indoctrination of any type. Most academics in this country -- the intelligentsia class -- are a thoroughly self-deceived bunch who can only feed off the propaganda of the previous generations of the same ilk and, therefore, perpetuate foolishness. All the current generation does is pile more dung that they wish to pass off as "knowledge and wisdom" on top of the old piles of previous generations.

I'll give you but one example of what I speak. If I went to a doctor to get a through check up up due to some nagging, chronic problem I've been having, chances are very good that many weeks later and thousands of bucks later (if not more!) due to all the extensive "scientific" testing, he would not be able to pinpoint the root cause to my chronic ailment.

Conversely, I could go to a natural practitioner (such as an iridologist, for example) and within 60 to 90 minutes, (and only $50. to $100. later) a good one would be able to tell me exactly what is going on in my body -- and be able to recommend a holistic approach with natural remedies and suggested diet changes.

Most western medicine approaches to sickness (save for the traumatic type) and time-consuming, expensive and rarely achieve the desired results of determining the root causes to problems. Virtually the entire health care industry today is designed to keep people sick -- to keep them coming back so that they can pay for more visits and more drugs.

Here's a good analogy. Anyone who is familiar with Networking Marketing will tell you that if you're going to get involved with some company, make certain that your selling consumable products as opposed to durable goods, for example. Why? So that you can get repeat business. You want the customers to keep coming back, and back and back. Likewise, the medical establishment is largely designed to keep 'em coming back. When doctors treat only symptoms, they're virtually guaranteed repeat business, as are the pharmaceutical companies with which those doctors prostitute themselves.

Bottom line: In very many cases, uninformed consumers are being scammed big time by the medical establishment first, then the pharmaceutical companies. Is it any wonder at all, therefore, that the Feds want to get in on the scam to whereby they control it!? :bang: :bang: And the Feds will NOT be satisfied with merely socializing medicine. Eventually, they will want to control all vitamins and supplements because thinking, informed people like myself, LK, TKB, etc. pose threats to an oppressive, controlling, tyrannical government. The government will want everyone feeding out of the same propaganda trough! They will want everyone drinking the Kool-Aid! And it won't stop here either. In the name of Almighty Health, they will control what we ingest by taxing our food, etc.

Boxcar

[46zilzal]

Iridology is not supported by quality research studies and is considered pseudoscience and quackery by most medical practitioners and eye care professionals.

[boxcar]

Iridology is not supported by quality research studies and is considered pseudoscience and quackery by most medical practitioners and eye care professionals.

And you would expect the medical establishment who is scamming everyone to give its stamp of approval to iridology or for that matter any natural approach?

Boxcar
P.S. Iridology has nothing to do with eye care and eye care specialists are just that --- SPECIALISTS, whose knowledge of general medicine is limited by that specialty. :rolleyes:

[46zilzal]

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/iridology.html

more buffoonery passed off as valid.

quote:Russell S. Worrall, O.D., an assistant clinical professor of optometry at the School of Optometry, University of California, Berkeley, has noted that many of the conditions detected by practitioners of iridology are “diseases” whose existence has been disputed or discredited by scientific investigation. Worrall also points out how spurious by iridologists can have serious consequences, as illustrated by the case of an accountant who consulted a chiropractor who practiced iridology:

During the course of treatment an iridology workup was recommended. The results indicated, among many other health problems, the presence of cancer. Overwhelmed, the patient spent the day in torment. Unable to consult his family physician . . . he finally sought my advice. After a lengthy discussion, I was able to allay his fears. . . . He wondered how an intelligent person such as himself could be caught up in such a deep emotional web over such a diagnosis. The story fortunately had a pleasant ending. However, the outcome could have been much more serious since the patient is also suffering from a heart condition, which was not noted on the iridology evaluation!

[46zilzal]

send 10 boxtops to this address and you too can be a certified quack iridologist, right out of the back of a health food store!

http://www.healingfeats.com/schools.htm

[boxcar]

send 10 boxtops to this address and you too can be a certified quack iridologist, right out of the back of a health food store!

http://www.healingfeats.com/schools.htm

They would never outnumber the existing quacks, loons and scam artists in the medical profession. Remember that!

Boxcar

[46zilzal]

http://www.archivesofpathology.org/doi/pdf/10.1043/1543-2165%282006%29130%5B447%3AAPAP%5D2.0.CO%3B2

The changes that may be seen in asthma can be summarized
as follows: (1) classic changes (best seen in status
asthmaticus) of smooth muscle hypertrophy, submucosal
edema, and inflammatory infiltrates composed of eosinophils,
submembranous thickening, mucosal sloughing,
and luminal mucus stasis; (2) normal or nearly normal
histology between attacks and during mild attacks; and
(3) morphologic counterparts of irreversible airflow obstruction,
such as bronchiectasis, that develop in asthmatic
patients.

[LottaKash]

http://www.archivesofpathology.org/doi/pdf/10.1043/1543-2165%282006%29130%5B447%3AAPAP%5D2.0.CO%3B2

The changes that may be seen in asthma can be summarized
as follows: (1) classic changes (best seen in status
asthmaticus) of smooth muscle hypertrophy, submucosal
edema, and inflammatory infiltrates composed of eosinophils,
submembranous thickening, mucosal sloughing,
and luminal mucus stasis; (2) normal or nearly normal
histology between attacks and during mild attacks; and
(3) morphologic counterparts of irreversible airflow obstruction,
such as bronchiectasis, that develop in asthmatic
patients.

46, you are describing asthma, the OP already knows he has asthma, and he would like to know how he possibly got it, and possibly how to treat it....

You remind me of a child that lost in a spelling-B, and then walks around continually spelling words for anyone who would listen...Look at me, I can spell...

Tell him (the OP) what he needs and wants to know....Doctor...

You can't, because you don't know what to tell him, do you ?.....You just keep finding another way to tell him what he already knows....He has asthma..

best,

[46zilzal]

asthma is NOT a single entity disease and the key diagnostic and treatment factors are exacerbating interactions........|
Each is unique and is treated with that in mind, short a history and physical findings of EACH individual along with arterial oxygen tensions it would be reckless to make any suggestions...i.e pediatric onset (2ndary to atopism) is completely different than adult onset, which is different than seasonal, which is different than occupational, then there are genetic components

[xtb]

We must avoid the soy that is being offered to us in the USA, at all costs....



You're right, I think we'd all be a lot healthier if this was possible but unless the public becomes educated about this, we'll all continue being poisoned. Virtually all fast food contains soy. Most frozen foods, prepared foods, desserts, candy, meats, cereals, bread, you name it, that you buy in every grocery store contains soy. Even some soft drinks now contain soy (brominated vegetable oil). If you plan on ever eating in a restaurant and avoiding soy, you need to talk to the chef personally and have your meal specially prepared. It's really shocking how pervasive soy is in our food! The vast majority of people have no idea.

[LottaKash]

asthma is NOT a single entity disease and the key diagnostic and treatment factors are exacerbating interactions........|
Each is unique and is treated with that in mind, short a history and physical findings of EACH individual along with arterial oxygen tensions it would be reckless to make any suggestions...i.e pediatric onset (2ndary to atopism) is completely different than adult onset, which is different than seasonal, which is different than occupational, then there are genetic components

Which means to me, that you, and most "western trained" doctors are simply clueless, and asthma sufferers had better look elsewhere if they ever wish to find a cure and some blessed relief.....

Yes, I said "cure".... And, not some endless addiction to "please hurry back soon", meds....

best,

[jognlope]

Lotta, thanks will look at that. This is bad that you guys know far more than my doctor. I like the guy, he's warm, available, but some of these docs, do they read anything?

[boxcar]

Lotta, thanks will look at that. This is bad that you guys know far more than my doctor. I like the guy, he's warm, available, but some of these docs, do they read anything?

They read a lot of stuff; but so much of it is all wrong. Garbage in at med school....garbage out in the real world.

Boxcar

[badcompany]

Laying off dairy products, which are very phlegm producing, usually helps breathing problems.

[46zilzal]

Which means to me, that you, and most "western trained" doctors are simply clueless, and asthma sufferers had better look elsewhere if they ever wish to find a cure and some blessed relief.....

Yes, I said "cure".... And, not some endless addiction to "please hurry back soon", meds....

best,
there is no cure simple answer

[LottaKash]

there is no cure simple answer

You see, that is what you and your doctor friends say....I say cured is, as cured does....

We even had a person in this very thread that stated that they found the "keys" to their cure....Soy, and the "elimination of it"....And you still won't believe it...(See post #18)

In fact, in this very same thread, after confessing the state of my remaining lung, and the persistent bronchial problems that I had after the pneumonectomy of the other.....You don't believe that either....

I feel for you, I really do....I am no longer in need of saying anything of any consequence to you from now on....

You are clueless....And, for a bright mind that is the worst thing to be, imo...what a waste of education...

Go soak your head....

[JustRalph]

I'll second that, it's an enormous load of crap. My wife suffered from asthma all her life seeing countless doctors including pulmonary specialists up until 5 years ago. Her condition was getting worse each time she went, blood oxygen level dropping into the 80's. Their solution was to keep bumping up her steroids and telling us to get rid of our dogs. We finally figured out her problem ourselves, she suffers from a soy allergy. Soy is in just about everything you eat these days (thanks to our government subsidies to the soy farmers) but you'd never know it by reading ingredients; (modified food starch, mono and diglycerides, lecithin, natural flavoring, vegetable broth, vegetable oil, modified vegetable protein and many others). She has been off all her asthma drugs and inhalers since avoiding soy, leaving her doctors dumbfounded. Her blood oxygen is always 98 or higher whenever it is checked now and she has never been healthier.
Good for you !! I have heard this before from some friends. One of their kids was diagnosed as Asthmatic etc and an Allergist suggested a protein Adkins kind of diet for a while to see what might change. They noticed marked improvement. Then it was just a matter of narrowing it down. It took almost a year....but they found out it was soy. Kid is thriving now.

Chiropractor...well that says a lot about disrespect of science right there. Old Daniel David Palmer, a known charlatan, "invented" it one afternoon in his grocery store.

http://getbetterhealth.com/chiropractors-admit-their-treatments-are-based-on-a-fallacy/2009.12.17

I beg to differ........I think it depends on what your injury is.
Car wreck severely injures my back. 8-10 different Doc's look at the MRI and 3 different Surgeons. Two surgeons say that they will operate but think it is 50/50 whether or not I might come out worse after. 3rd Surgeon wants to operate immediately and is way over confident and makes me uncomfortable.

Go to see a 75 yr old Doc who is recommended by a friend. He tells me to never let them operate, too close to sciatic nerve. Tells me they will maim me. He then tells me to find a good chiropractor and more. I finally give in after taking way too many meds for inflammation and pain for too long.

After working with Chiropractor for 3 mths and going through physical therapy directed by the Chiropractor....... I was able to return back to a normal life.......sometimes I screw it up and do too much. Like moving furniture and crap. Recently re-injured myself. Found a good chiropractor near the new house. In a couple of weeks of treatment and some minor physical therapy......I am back in the swing of things just this week.

Oh, btw......for some odd reason, since I have been visiting the Chiropractor on a semi regular basis (7 yrs) I no longer get the allergy shots twice a year ? Not sure how that works..........but I don't bitch..........

[jognlope]

The two times I got asthma symptoms (with my cold) were after I got a nebulizer treatment in the ER. Does nebulizer solution do something bad to the bornchii or just a coincidence? I'm not getting one again. The phlegm is less now. I had a beer and that loosened it too. I think I'll stick to shower steam. Get the vitamin C, MMS, look into and try and a probiotic.

[LottaKash]

The two times I got asthma symptoms (with my cold) were after I got a nebulizer treatment in the ER. Does nebulizer solution do something bad to the bornchii or just a coincidence? I'm not getting one again. The phlegm is less now. I had a beer and that loosened it too. I think I'll stick to shower steam. Get the vitamin C, MMS, look into and try and a probiotic.

Jog, nebulizers, I suppose have their place in bronchial conditions, but the problem that I see, is what some new studies are beginning to reveal, many of the "DRUGS" that they include in those nebulizer therapies are bogus, and are, and have been causing more problems to asthma sufferers than they claim to help....

I wouldn't want to be the one to tell an asthma patient not to use an inhaler to get some relief from the "Symptoms of Asthma", but finding the "cause" of the asthma should be the real-goal here....

I have heard and read stories about some lousy outcomes from people who were on nebulizer therapies, it seems that they never improve, they just stay the same old, same old....And they suffer til they die...

Fungus is responsible for more respiratory ailments than anything.....Some fungus just love "water" and that is what the mysts combined with the supposed wonder medications insert into the bronchial tubes, atomized water....

The trouble with modern Western Medicine, is that they often don't even consider the "fungus connection" in asthma sufferers....They want to give you continual band-aid treatments and inhalors...A new one comes out almost every year now...

If they treated with Anit-Fungals, I will bet you. that you would see dramatic improvements in many people suffering from asthma, and it wouldn't take long either, to see that improvement......

I have read a number of books that are pooh-poohed by conventional western trained doctors, but most of these books suggest that 70% of most common and no so common diseases are fungal related....That is a very high number...

Fungus kicks ass.... and, in more ways than modern western trained doctors care to admit, believe, or even consider....Many are clueless....They believe that something magical just happened to you and that is why you are sick....hahaha...So, they give you some "maigical man made chemicals" in the hopes that your ailment will just go away...

And, just as you go to an "internist", for stomach or bowel problems, these doctors give you some man made drug, in the hopes that it will do something.....Most won't even discuss probiotics, or cleansing the pipes with you....Internists, mind you....70% of your immunity is in the gut, and these guys won't even talk about the "possibility of yeast, parasitic or fungal invasions and overgrowths" as if they don't exists.....I don't get it....

In the bible, their are even treatments and protocols that are divinely written, as what you are to do, when you become sick and may have a fungal laden home....

Trouble is, man, in his un-infinite wisdom, is always trying to go one up on GOD's "infinite" wisdom, who always had it right, right from the get-go, when he said that the "medicine is in the tree's"....The ancients have been treating disease with "natural" things for centuries, yet modern Western trained doctor's think that the "MAN MADE CHEMICALS" that they would have you addicted to, will cure you of anything, for that matter....Hahahaha....

Name one disease that man has conquered in modern western medicine times ?....I know Polio, right, unhunh...Poor Sanitation was the culprit for the Polio outbreaks....The doctors who invented "that cure" will even tell you, that was the real reason...STill they made beacoup-bucks off of the one...

So they want us to continue to walk for the cure, sure, haha ...$$$$$$....They don't want to cure you of anything...They would be out of a job..

If man would get serious and elminate pollution and fungus, most diseases would slip right back into their sleeps....Sadly tho, not in this "earth age", but in the next one, oh yeah !...It is Biblical !...Hooray ! That is my view of things...

best,

[jognlope]

Lotta, well now I definitely want to look into it more!!

[LottaKash]

Lotta, well now I definitely want to look into it more!!

Jog, good for you....Now, if we could only get American doctors to "open their minds" a bit more, and get away from all that chemistry and science (haha), then we would see a lot more people getting well....Fat chance of that tho, they are too educated and smart for that to happen anytime soon...

People don't get sick as if by "magic", and they don't suffer from a "lack of some pill or chemical"....Fungus, parasites, pollution and crappy diets, are the real culprits in diseased humans....We must address the ways of keeping the internal parts of the body clean and free of these things, by feeding the "cells" the essential nutrients that they need to combat these things, just as God intended... The human body has this remarkable defense system built right in, just as God had intended, but modern man has upset this potent balance by his own hand, and has turned away from the "natural" to the "chemical" way of life....

We are presently, the sickest nation on the planet....Despite what the drug companies would have you believe....

best.

[46zilzal]

Medical quacks are strangely the same...... ALL of them.

1)ONLY THEY have figured out this clandestine system of health based upon NO serious science (and luckily for their cause can neither be proven or disproven) and they always talk it up as the "secrets your doctor won't tell you." I often asked reflexologists to explain, physiologically, the specific reflex arch that they would initiate if they pressed at one place or another and what MEASURABLE result would occur. When I discover a Babinski reflex in an adult,or a palmar-mental reflex http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focal_neurologic_signs . I know what they suggest by the known reflex arch that is disrupted or altered...The thing I often tell patients who are being ripped off from a foot reflexologist "For heaven's sakes DON'T ever go barefoot!, You don't know what reflexes you would be inadvertently setting off in doing so....IF there was a shred of truth to that malarkey that is!
2) They can ONLY CURE in keeping this spurious system in tact by recurring and expensive re-adjustments of the aura, spinal integrity, spiritual lines of current, non-existent reflexes, live blood cell analysis etc etc. without which the disease process will surely recur.
3) They prey on fears, usually from suggestive recipient patients or known hypochondriacs, with a slick "I know how you feel that traditional medicine has let you down," approach.

Now allopathic medicine suffers from their own problems:1) the God complex 2) arrogance 3) not communicating with the patient and making THEM a partner in their own care. 4) learning about, and promoting alternative health options (the vast majority of which can actually do nothing but help MENTALLY, since their efficacy, from the majority of them, is placebo) which can only be really destructive to the pocket book. Most all of them are not harmful.

When my late wife was in a ward with other pulmonary patients this arrogant ass treating a poor lady with advance Cystic Fibrosis kept telling her HE could cure the entire thing until one day we heard this college educated and very informed woman strike back,,,"You are a liar. As of five minutes ago there was no cure for what I have and if you are going to bull shit me, at least try a little bit to be creative." This woman died about 8 months later from yet another bout of pneumonia.

[46zilzal]

This was an interesting finding and one my wife suggested was true a long time ago.

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/press-releases/2010-releases/processed-meats-unprocessed-heart-disease-diabetes.html

want to be really disgusted, just watch Food Inc or read Eric Schloosser's book Fast Food Nation