We got the president we elected: By Gloria Borger

[andymays]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/06/02/borger.obama.spill.image/index.html

Excerpt:

All of which leads to President Obama. He was elected because he is cool, calm and analytical. That's what we wanted to see after George W. Bush, so we made him president. But now the disaster in the Gulf has made many of us want to see someone else -- with plenty of anger, emotion and bravado. We want him to yell at BP. We want him to loudly tell us he's whipping the cleanup effort into shape.

[andymays]

I hear a lot of this lately. O'Reilly says it all the time. "We got the president we elected".

Yes those of us that followed things closely knew that but not the majority of Americans.

Who was by Obama's side ever step of the way on the campaign trail?

It was Claire McKaskill. That was all to convince Americans that he was moderate. I think he had McKaskill convinced that he was a moderate as well.

Everyone talks about "optics". The Obama "optics" were a deception and it worked well enough to get him elected. He is in fact a far left progressive who believes in more government and redistribution of wealth or as he calls it "Social Justice".

He wouldn't have come close to winning even the primary without the deception. Just ask Hillary. ;)

[Tom]

Anyone surprised by how Ovomit turned out is a fool.
It was all there to see and hear and read long before November came along.
Most people were to lazy/stupid/biased to bother looking at facts.
Now they got what they voted for and are crying about it. Shut up, people, you won, remember? :lol:

[jballscalls]

Anyone surprised by how Ovomit turned out is a fool.
It was all there to see and hear and read long before November came along.
Most people were to lazy/stupid/biased to bother looking at facts.
Now they got what they voted for and are crying about it. Shut up, people, you won, remember? :lol:

This past Christmas we were gathered around the table and our family is pretty split politcally. both my cousin and and my aunt talk about how dissapointed they are in Obama and they really thought he'd be better. All the while my uncle (their father and husband) is just sitting over there rolling his eyes as he is the only one who actually follows politics closely.

i'm still shocked when people expected this guy to be a leader and bring us all together. there was far too much evidence in his closet that the guy was shadier than the underside of a witches hooter

[GaryG]

the guy was shadier than the underside of a witches hooterJason, that is one terrific line.....I am going to have to find some way to drop it into a conversation.....:lol: :lol:

[andymays]

He needed to fool 10% of the people to win and he did.

[jballscalls]

Jason, that is one terrific line.....I am going to have to find some way to drop it into a conversation.....:lol: :lol:

i've been trying to work it into a racecall for years LOL however i want to keep my job, so i usually just say it after the mic gets turned off

i've always thought racecalliing could be really interesting if we could say what we were literally thinking about the race while calling it. :)

[PaceAdvantage]

What nonsense.

The same mentality that thought Obama was actually going to be some super-hero is the same mentality that thinks Zenyatta is one of the best horses that ever walked the Earth...or that the "Monmouth Experiment" is the greatest thing since sliced bread and will be the cause of NYRA's and every other east-coast track's eventual demise.

There is this odd hyperbolic reactionary type thinking that seems to have infected almost every subject these days. People jump onto the next thing to come down the pike and immediately crown it "king of kings."

"We want him to yell at BP. We want him to loudly tell us he's whipping the cleanup effort into shape." NO WE DON'T. WE WANT HIM TO ACT LIKE A PRESIDENT. PRESIDENTS DON'T FIX EVERY PROBLEM IN THE WORLD. THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO.

[bigmack]

What nonsense.

"We want him to yell at BP. We want him to loudly tell us he's whipping the cleanup effort into shape."
PoS article.

She starts:
"Al and Tipper were like Peanut Butter and Jelly. Always better together".

And finishes:
"We elected Barack Obama. Now we want to change him."

By Gloria Borger, CNN Senior Political Analyst
http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/OPINION/06/02/borger.obama.spill.image/tzleft.gloria.borger.cnn.jpg

Senior Political Analyst :lol:

[ArlJim78]

Wildly hyperbolic accolades being bestowed on horses is very common. I could suggest current runners even more appropriate than Zenyatta, but that would be getting on-topic. can't have that down here!:D

[Greyfox]

What nonsense.

The same mentality that thought Obama was actually going to be some super-hero is the same mentality that thinks Zenyatta is one of the best horses that ever walked the Earth....

Zenyatta is an unbeaten winner. Maybe not the best ever, but still damn good. To speak of her in the same breath as a man who is fiddling while Rome burns is nonsense as well.

[Steve R]

Absolutely fascinating! Progressives think of Obama as center-right at best while the right thinks of him as a socialist. I guess it shows just how far to the right the right wing has moved. Apparently a socialist is someone who 1) expands misguided US military adventures, 2) delivers 30 million new clients to the health insurance industry without actually improving the quality or decreasing the cost of health care, 3) maintains, and in cases broadens, the civil liberties abuses of the Bush administration, 4) hands over hundreds of billions of dollars to a corrupt financial sector while virtually ignoring the plight of average Americans, 5) supports neofascist regimes in Latin America, 6) refuses to allow the US to sign on to the landmine ban supported by virtually every civilized nation in the world, 7) continues Bush era policies of false imprisonment and torture, 8) maintains the insidious NSA spying program, 9) defends US military spying within the borders of the US, 10) refuses to prosecute Bush administration officials for obvious war crimes and 11) continually sides with corporate interests and the wealthy against the interests of the poor and the ever-diminishing middle class. If Obama is a leftist, then Hitler was a centrist.

[bigmack]

If Obama is a leftist, then Hitler was a centrist.
Nice diatribe, Mao.

uj0GtRI4Ulo

[boxcar]

If Obama is a leftist, then Hitler was a centrist.

This last comment was the closet you came to the truth. The rest of your drivel didn't even hit the barn wall, let alone the target pinned to it. :rolleyes:

Boxcar

[Steve R]

Nice diatribe, Mao.

uj0GtRI4Ulo
Brilliant retort I must say, considering my opinions about Obama pretty much coincide with those of Reagan's former assistant Treasury Secretary who also happened to be an editor of the Wall Street Journal and Business Week. Damn those pesky Wall Street commies! Frankly, if you think Obama is a leftist, you need to get an education.

[bigmack]

Brilliant retort I must say, considering my opinions about Obama pretty much coincide with those of Reagan's former assistant Treasury Secretary who also happened to be an editor of the Wall Street Journal and Business Week. Damn those pesky Wall Street commies! Frankly, if you think Obama is a leftist, you need to get an education.
PC Roberts? :lol:

Oh yeah, he's the one who suggested 9/11 was carried out with the complicity of the highest ranks of government and intelligence agencies.

Tell me you believe likewise. :rolleyes:

Next you'll be quoting John Dean. He was with Nixon, right?

[ddog]

Hitler was all for the little guy and a socialist support system, this guy is no different, just not as charismatic OR effective, yet.

[Robert Goren]

Obama is right of center. I voted for him because I thought he was a liberal. I was wrong. I wish he was. From where I sit he has lot more in common with the tea partiers than he does with me. If he were a true liberal the government would have taken over handling the oil spill on day one instead of pussy footing around like a republician. He is acting he has shares in BP. the only time he does anything in gulf is after he checks the republician governors down there and even then he drags his feet. Does anybody think a true liberal(like FDR or JFK or LBJ) would not have been all over this by now. JMO

[Greyfox]

the only time he does anything in gulf is after he checks the republician governors down there and even then he drags his feet.

What, if anything, has he actually done in the Gulf?

[riskman]

Absolutely fascinating! Progressives think of Obama as center-right at best while the right thinks of him as a socialist. I guess it shows just how far to the right the right wing has moved. Apparently a socialist is someone who 1) expands misguided US military adventures, 2) delivers 30 million new clients to the health insurance industry without actually improving the quality or decreasing the cost of health care, 3) maintains, and in cases broadens, the civil liberties abuses of the Bush administration, 4) hands over hundreds of billions of dollars to a corrupt financial sector while virtually ignoring the plight of average Americans, 5) supports neofascist regimes in Latin America, 6) refuses to allow the US to sign on to the landmine ban supported by virtually every civilized nation in the world, 7) continues Bush era policies of false imprisonment and torture, 8) maintains the insidious NSA spying program, 9) defends US military spying within the borders of the US, 10) refuses to prosecute Bush administration officials for obvious war crimes and 11) continually sides with corporate interests and the wealthy against the interests of the poor and the ever-diminishing middle class. If Obama is a leftist, then Hitler was a centrist.

Yep, Obama is just like all the rest with this exception. President Obama was not ready for this position, not by any measure. It has been said by many that there is a difference between campaigning and governing once the responsibility to govern is truly yours. We are seeing the worst example of that played out before our eyes with severe consequences. Having the ability to organize a community does not mean one possess the ability to organize a nation. Obama offers no real experiences in leadership and the wisdom gained from both the successes and failures that result from the decisions one makes. It is the pressure of being 100 percent responsible that teach, build or expose character. Obama has never had to take, let alone pass any of those tests. Should any of us be at all surprised that he is failing them now?

[ddog]

People do not realize the fragile nature of the resources these days.

They still think the "backup" level is as of 30-40 years ago.

It isn't so. There is not much bama or bush could do other than what they did.

With the level of complexity and gvt built up as deep as it is, nothing works well.
Lean inventory , just in time and all that, "stuff" isn't just sitting around waiting to be deployed. It's all stripped down to stay in biz.

Always the case , cracks get bigger and bigger, this is just a small part of the bigger picture.

You can hate on it all you want, but it's crystal clear.

[bigmack]

Yep, Obama is just like all the rest with this exception. President Obama was not ready for this position, not by any measure. It has been said by many that there is a difference between campaigning and governing once the responsibility to govern is truly yours. We are seeing the worst example of that played out before our eyes with severe consequences. Having the ability to organize a community does not mean one possess the ability to organize a nation. Obama offers no real experiences in leadership and the wisdom gained from both the successes and failures that result from the decisions one makes. It is the pressure of being 100 percent responsible that teach, build or expose character. Obama has never had to take, let alone pass any of those tests. Should any of us be at all surprised that he is failing them now?
Come on man. What's this, the 10th time for you?

http://dailycaller.com/2010/06/03/obama-is-failing-leadership-101/

[BlueShoe]

Progressives think of Obama as center-right at best while the right thinks of him as a socialist.If Obama is a leftist, then Hitler was a centrist.
Amusing how differently we see things. From the time he first appeared on the national scene have regarded Obama as a Bolshevik. To me, he is the reincarnation of Vladimir Ilyich Lenin.

[JustRalph]

He is just doing what he always did........


Voting "Present"

[cj's dad]

By Gloria Borger, CNN Senior Political Analyst
http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/OPINION/06/02/borger.obama.spill.image/tzleft.gloria.borger.cnn.jpg

Senior Political Analyst :lol:

She is cute !!!

[newtothegame]

Obama is right of center. I voted for him because I thought he was a liberal. I was wrong. I wish he was. From where I sit he has lot more in common with the tea partiers than he does with me. If he were a true liberal the government would have taken over handling the oil spill on day one instead of pussy footing around like a republician. He is acting he has shares in BP. the only time he does anything in gulf is after he checks the republician governors down there and even then he drags his feet. Does anybody think a true liberal(like FDR or JFK or LBJ) would not have been all over this by now. JMO

Right??? RIGHT??? He is right of center??? Now he may not be the leftist liberal you wish (and by the way I reallly am not sure you know where you are by reading some of your post). lol
To be right of center, I would think the guy would have to show SOME sort of fiscal resposibility. Where has this president shown that??? Not words...but actual actions as NONE of his words have been anything more then a lie (to which a large percentage of us agree with the exception of mosty who agrees with everything he says and does and then justifies it for him better then the press secretary lol). :lol:

[Steve R]

Right??? RIGHT??? He is right of center??? Now he may not be the leftist liberal you wish (and by the way I reallly am not sure you know where you are by reading some of your post). lol
To be right of center, I would think the guy would have to show SOME sort of fiscal resposibility. Where has this president shown that??? Not words...but actual actions as NONE of his words have been anything more then a lie (to which a large percentage of us agree with the exception of mosty who agrees with everything he says and does and then justifies it for him better then the press secretary lol). :lol:
If fiscal responsibility is a requirement of a right of center position I can only conclude that Bush 43 and Reagan were hard core leftists. Under Reagan the debt as % of GDP rose from 33% to 53% and under Bush from 56% to 83%. I guess that made Clinton pretty much a fascist as the figure went from 66% down to 56% during his administration. In fact, since WW II the only administrations in which debt as % of GDP have risen were Nixon/Ford, Reagan, Bush 41 and Bush 43. So much for the myth of conservative fiscal responsibility.

[bigmack]

If fiscal responsibility is a requirement of a right of center position I can only conclude that Bush 43 and Reagan were hard core leftists. Under Reagan the debt as % of GDP rose from 33% to 53% and under Bush from 56% to 83%. I guess that made Clinton pretty much a fascist as the figure went from 66% down to 56% during his administration. In fact, since WW II the only administrations in which debt as % of GDP have risen were Nixon/Ford, Reagan, Bush 41 and Bush 43. So much for the myth of conservative fiscal responsibility.
Them sure is pertty numbers. Got a link so I'z can see fer meself?

[NJ Stinks]

i'm still shocked when people expected this guy to be a leader and bring us all together.

I didn't vote for Obama because I was hoping he would bring us all together. That sounds like BS heard on right wing talk shows/radio.

I do expect Obama to be leader. Not a miracle worker - just a leader.

[Greyfox]

I do expect Obama to be leader. Not a miracle worker - just a leader.

Fair comment. So when is he going to lead??

[newtothegame]

If fiscal responsibility is a requirement of a right of center position I can only conclude that Bush 43 and Reagan were hard core leftists. Under Reagan the debt as % of GDP rose from 33% to 53% and under Bush from 56% to 83%. I guess that made Clinton pretty much a fascist as the figure went from 66% down to 56% during his administration. In fact, since WW II the only administrations in which debt as % of GDP have risen were Nixon/Ford, Reagan, Bush 41 and Bush 43. So much for the myth of conservative fiscal responsibility.

Having problems reading there Stevie??? I never said it was a requirement....
But its ok, I understand libs see what they want....
What I said was "for me".....
To be conservative IN MY OPINION you need to be fiscally conscious.
You can ask a hundred people their dfinitions and probably get different answers....but I think you would be hard pressed to find many who think Obama is RIGHT of center.

[BlueShoe]

So when is he going to lead??
In late January of 2013. At that time he will lead his family and household back to Illinois shortly after the new president is inaugurated.

[Steve R]

Them sure is pertty numbers. Got a link so I'z can see fer meself?
http://thecentersquare.wordpress.com/tag/reagan/

[delayjf]

If he were a true liberal the government would have taken over handling the oil spill on day one instead of pussy footing around like a republician.

And do what? Just like Katrina, the Gov simply was not prepared for this type of disaster.

[GameTheory]

And do what? Just like Katrina, the Gov simply was not prepared for this type of disaster.Well, there was a burn-off plan (with pre-approval built-in) that they should have executed (that's why they have it), but they did not for no apparent reason. It probably would have made little difference in retrospect, but they didn't know that at the time. They have also refused to even talk to the LA governor about his plan to build-up a barrier -- wouldn't return his call. Does that make sense?

They have however, issued lots of rash statements without getting any facts first -- stuff they shouldn't even be talking about until after this is all over and they can go back and see exactly what happened. So on the one-hand we've got zero real activity, but on the other lots of premature statements of blame, threats of prosecution and fines, etc etc (that latter which is fine, just not now in the absence of facts and when their priority should be on getting the thing stopped and on protecting the environment and shoreline).

Even if they couldn't not have swooped in and magically fixed everything, you don't think they could have handled this better? Or at least get their priorities in the right order?

[Robert Goren]

And do what? Just like Katrina, the Gov simply was not prepared for this type of disaster. That is true. The gov hasn't had very many oil spills to learn from(thank GOD), but there has been no shortage of Hurricanes for them to learn from, unfortunately. I know one thing, if the Gov doesn't believe that it can help, It can't. I am an old fashion liberal, I believe the gov can help if it wants to. The main problem is getting it to want to. That doesn't matter whether it is illegal border crossings or health care. Getting the Gov to act is the problem. At least that is my liberal prospective.

[delayjf]

but there has been no shortage of Hurricanes for them to learn from
Not like Katrina, and entire city cut off and surrounded by water. The Katrina relief effort was a logistical nightmare - especially since most of the assets (air assets) were evaculated out of the area prior to Katrina coming a shore.

Even if they couldn't not have swooped in and magically fixed everything, you don't think they could have handled this better? Or at least get their priorities in the right order?
I agree with your post, my only point was that government does not have the ability to fix the leak. Obama's response or lack there of is his administrations nightmare to live.

[ddog]

In late January of 2013. At that time he will lead his family and household back to Illinois shortly after the new president is inaugurated.



By 2013 Chicago WILL NOT WANT HIM BACK.
You think bush was bad juju! :D :D :D


bama library will be some old boarded up Blockbuster somewhere.
Maybe he can SEIU and former ACORN "staff" to build something for him. :blush:

[boxcar]

Obama is right of center. I voted for him because I thought he was a liberal. I was wrong. I wish he was. From where I sit he has lot more in common with the tea partiers than he does with me. If he were a true liberal the government would have taken over handling the oil spill on day one instead of pussy footing around like a republician. He is acting he has shares in BP. the only time he does anything in gulf is after he checks the republician governors down there and even then he drags his feet. Does anybody think a true liberal(like FDR or JFK or LBJ) would not have been all over this by now. JMO

You're right: BO isn't a mere liberal. He's a Marxist. If you really believe he's a conservative, you need to see a doctor pronto. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Boxcar

[Steve R]

Having problems reading there Stevie??? I never said it was a requirement....
But its ok, I understand libs see what they want....
What I said was "for me".....
To be conservative IN MY OPINION you need to be fiscally conscious.
You can ask a hundred people their dfinitions and probably get different answers....but I think you would be hard pressed to find many who think Obama is RIGHT of center.
And they would be wrong. Anyone who believes that a politician is not right of center if he advocates an expanded international military presence, opposes universal health care, promotes free trade, opposes gay marriage, is against drug legalization and allows corporate lobbyists to draft legislation just has no clue about the traditional political spectrum.

BTW, it appears you are the one with, if not reading issues, then certainly English comprehension issues. You wrote: "To be right of center, I would think the guy would have to show SOME sort of fiscal resposibility" [sic]. These are the dictionary definitions of "have to": Must; need to; to be required to. Indicates obligation; Must (logical conclusion). Nowhere in your prior post did you use the phrase "in my opinion". But that's OK. I understand. You are a conservative.

[Steve R]

You're right: BO isn't a mere liberal. He's a Marxist. If you really believe he's a conservative, you need to see a doctor pronto. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Boxcar
And you need to read more political history instead of aping Beck and Limbaugh.

[Robert Goren]

You're right: BO isn't a mere liberal. He's a Marxist. If you really believe he's a conservative, you need to see a doctor pronto. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

BoxcarYou are the one who needs to see the doctor. ( hopefully your insurance will pay because you need a lot of help) If he was merely a good liberal, we would have gotten a Swiss or German style health care system instead of this right of center program we got. If you look at any industralized nation our health care is by far and away the furthest to the right. You have to go to some third world country to find anything this right wing. JMO

[rastajenk]

There was conservatism before Beck and Limbaugh. You can look it up.

[rastajenk]

You are the one who needs to see the doctor. ( hopefully your insurance will pay because you need a lot of help) If he was merely a good liberal, we would have gotten a Swiss or German style health care system...No we wouldn't have, because the people don't want it. Now if he was merely a good liberal dictator, then you might have been more correct. In other words, we got some ugly compromises that hardly represent his goals and intentions.

[Steve R]

No we wouldn't have, because the people don't want it.[snip]
That is absolutely wrong. From Single-payer health care (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-payer_health_care): "Between 2003 to 2009, 17 opinion polls showed a simple majority of the public, i.e. nearly 50-60%, supports a single-payer system in the United States. These polls are from sources such as CNN, AP-Yahoo, Quinnipiac, New York Times/CBS News Poll, Washington Post/ABC News Poll, Kaiser Family Foundationand the Civil Society Institute."

[BlueShoe]

And you need to read more political history instead of aping Beck and Limbaugh.
But that is just it, he has, so have I, and so have many others, and so should you and most of the nation. For starters, suggest reading Lenins quotations on how to extinguish capitalism and install a communist dictatorship. Note how many of these things Obama has initiated and that are now in progress. Obama was raised on communist ideology and theory, his knows his history well, for him to attempt to put in place the teachings of Marx, Engels, and Lenin should come as no surprise.

[GameTheory]

And they would be wrong. Anyone who believes that a politician is not right of center if he advocates an expanded international military presence, opposes universal health care, promotes free trade, opposes gay marriage, is against drug legalization and allows corporate lobbyists to draft legislation just has no clue about the traditional political spectrum.There is no strong partisan monopoly by either side on any of the issues you mentioned, except for maybe universal health care. (Although there often is on a particular point in time, but that is more about simply opposing the other side than actually taking a stand on the issue because of belief.) Your version of "center" sounds pretty left in a world where only "conservatives" are against drug legalization, promote free tree, etc.

[boxcar]

And you need to read more political history instead of aping Beck and Limbaugh.

And just who do you "ape"? :rolleyes: Here's a clue: BO was weaned on Marxism. For starters, start to bone up on what Black Liberation Theology is all about. And then you can research who BO's friends and associates have been.
Of course, you can do none of the above and remain in your self-induced Kool-Aid stupor, which I strongly suspect would be your first preference anyway. :rolleyes:

Boxcar

[Steve R]

There is no strong partisan monopoly by either side on any of the issues you mentioned, except for maybe universal health care. (Although there often is on a particular point in time, but that is more about simply opposing the other side than actually taking a stand on the issue because of belief.) Your version of "center" sounds pretty left in a world where only "conservatives" are against drug legalization, promote free tree, etc.
Centrism is driven by pragmatism rather than ideology and it obviously can shift depending on time and place, with left and right repositioning in sync. We are talking about Obama and the US in 2010. His positions on many issues are strongly ideological (e.g., an aggressive military posture, the application (or denial) of civil liberties, universal health care, free trade, etc). Essentially he has rejected a social democratic approach to many of these issues, landing heavily on the side of corporate interests and private enterprise. That puts him squarely to the right of center in my book. From a pragmatic position one would favor reduction (or at least not an increase) of military spending in an overburdened economy, a strong defense of constitutional principles, strict labor and environmental regulation of international trade, a method for reducing overall health care costs and so on. He campaigned as centrist on each of those and that's probably what got him elected, although even many conservatives realized what a disaster McCain/Palin would have been. As president, however, he abandoned his center and center-left supporters and has acted as an agent of the corporate, financial and military sectors while continuing the neoliberal policies undermining the poor and the middle class. Apart from Vietnam and Watergate, in terms of policy Nixon was more of a centrist than Obama.

[Steve R]

But that is just it, he has, so have I, and so have many others, and so should you and most of the nation. For starters, suggest reading Lenins quotations on how to extinguish capitalism and install a communist dictatorship. Note how many of these things Obama has initiated and that are now in progress. Obama was raised on communist ideology and theory, his knows his history well, for him to attempt to put in place the teachings of Marx, Engels, and Lenin should come as no surprise.
Please enumerate the things Obama specifically has initiated "to extinguish capitalism and install a communist dictatorship".

[HUSKER55]

The problem is that BO has not done what America needs. He has tried to push his agenda, just like the Clintons did.

No one ever paid for the attacks that happened on Bills watch and they won't on BO's either.

BO had a great opportunity in time to do the right thing for America and he chose to go the other direction. History will note that and will long remember.

[BlueShoe]

Please enumerate the things Obama specifically has initiated "to extinguish capitalism and install a communist dictatorship".
You have not been reading the criticism directed at Obama on this forum the last couple of years have you? Had you been doing so, there would have been no need to make the above request.

[bigmack]

Apart from Vietnam and Watergate, in terms of policy Nixon was more of a centrist than Obama.
Ohhh. I get it.

In regards to Leslie Lynch King, Jr., aka. Jer Ford; if we took out his pardon of Nixon and his handling of the swine flu pandemic would you consider him more or less centrist than BO? :cool:

[newtothegame]

And they would be wrong. Anyone who believes that a politician is not right of center if he advocates an expanded international military presence, opposes universal health care, promotes free trade, opposes gay marriage, is against drug legalization and allows corporate lobbyists to draft legislation just has no clue about the traditional political spectrum.

BTW, it appears you are the one with, if not reading issues, then certainly English comprehension issues. You wrote: "To be right of center, I would think the guy would have to show SOME sort of fiscal resposibility" [sic]. These are the dictionary definitions of "have to": Must; need to; to be required to. Indicates obligation; Must (logical conclusion). Nowhere in your prior post did you use the phrase "in my opinion". But that's OK. I understand. You are a conservative.

Its nice how YOU conveniently left out the "I would think" part...

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