TVG/HRTV Accountability

[horses4courses]

Here's a novel concept that I'm sure is way too sensible for TV to adapt.

With all the plugging on TVG/HRTV to bet on their respective ADW affiliates, isn't it about time that they kept track of how their touts are doing?

Ticket after ticket (mostly P3, P4 action) gets plugged daily, without any accountability as to how their selections are doing over time.
You only ever hear about the occasional hit, which gets applauded like crazy.

Any serious gambler knows - record keeping is essential.

If they ever had any handicappers on air who could actually pick winners consistently, maybe people would take some notice.
They, obviously, need "on-air talent" to introduce programming.
At the same time, many of these people find it hard to pick winners.
If there was a tally of their plays on the screen, over a week/month/meeting, there might be some embarrassment. Perhaps, even a career change?

With summer racing on the horizon, it's time for change at TVG/HRTV in how they go about trying to drum-up betting interest.

[rrbauer]

The novel thing about your post is that you seem to think that they care what you think.

Haven't they proved by now that they don't care?

[horses4courses]

The novel thing about your post is that you seem to think that they care what you think.

Haven't they proved by now that they don't care?

Agreed.
They don't seem to care.

The best way, though, for them to increase their ADW handle, is to have more of their regular gamblers winning more bets.

Nothing drives handle like success.....people want more and more of it.

[andymays]

My comments are mostly about TVG:

What very few people point out is the damage they do to new customers who give betting on the horses a try. They are fooled into thinking the so called "experts" are really experts and end up losing their asses.

How many newbies have they busted out since they began?

How many times has Ken Rudolph sent people to the windows on one of his picks to "pad your bankroll" in the early races?

"Pad your bankroll" my ass. :D

[Hedevar]

My comments are mostly about TVG:

What very few people point out is the damage they do to new customers who give betting on the horses a try. They are fooled into thinking the so called "experts" are really experts and end up losing their asses.

How many newbies have they busted out since they began?

How many times has Ken Rudolph sent people to the windows on one of his picks to "pad your bankroll" in the early races?

"Pad your bankroll" my ass. :D

I couldn't agree more Ken Rudolph is especially clueless.

[horses4courses]

My comments are mostly about TVG:

What very few people point out is the damage they do to new customers who give betting on the horses a try. They are fooled into thinking the so called "experts" are really experts and end up losing their asses.

How many newbies have they busted out since they began?

How many times has Ken Rudolph sent people to the windows on one of his picks to "pad your bankroll" in the early races?

"Pad your bankroll" my ass. :D

I couldn't agree more, Andy.
They should put duck tape on Rudolph's mouth when it comes to touting.
Fine to have him presenting the programs - just don't pretend to be an expert

[JustRalph]

man, it's a double 2 for 1 month on TVG and HRTV and we are only half way through the month

[InsideThePylons-MW]

What very few people point out is the damage they do to new customers who give betting on the horses a try. They are fooled into thinking the so called "experts" are really experts and end up losing their asses.

How many newbies have they busted out since they began?

That's exactly what I try to point out.

It's amazing how many here are clueless to the big picture and think that I am worried about their picks and should not watch or listen to what they say to remedy the situation.

[exiles]

I couldn't agree more Ken Rudolph is especially clueless.

TVG so called analysts they are not only clueless the are wh@$%e SHILLS that don't give a rat's ass if you go broke betting on their so called expert p4 and p6 picks as long as you bet w/ them K. Rudolph couldn't tell a horse from a zebra, M. Carothers and his aggressive singles will send you to the poor house in no time, as for T. Schrupp i don't think he knows which is the head, and which is the tail of a horse.

[turfnsport]

I would love to know the number of newbies that tripped over the channel, deposited, and went broke playing these idiotic Pick 3, Pick 4 and Pick 6 tickets at high takeout rates, never to return.

I wonder how many new fans would have been generated with a simpler approach, i.e. win, exactas, doubles. They would have at least stuck around longer.

It seems to me the churn would be better, and would better better for TVG's bottom line.

It seems like a moronic business plan to me.

[horses4courses]

I would love to know the number of newbies that tripped over the channel, deposited, and went broke playing these idiotic Pick 3, Pick 4 and Pick 6 tickets at high takeout rates, never to return.

I wonder how many new fans would have been generated with a simpler approach, i.e. win, exactas, doubles. They would have at least stuck around longer.

It seems to me the churn would be better, and would better better for TVG's bottom line.

It seems like a moronic business plan to me.

Like I said, it's time for them to step up and be accountable.
Everyone who touts plays should have their ROI displayed.
Sort of like a health warning on alcohol, cigs, or food items.

[mikeb]

You forgot to mention "mr b"......do you really need him to tell you who the favorite is?????????:sleeping:

By the way i'm not THAT "mr b"
I'm the one looking for value!

[Canarsie]

I have a simple idea that would really show how they are doing. When they show a P4 or similar ticket it has a logo saying Analyst/Host wagered. That means they played the exact ticket with their own cash. Since they bet through TVG it's easy to verify if they are on the level. Only a dummy would think they bet everything they picked.

I hate dissing individuals but Ken Rudolph is especially clueless. Having stated the 10 leaves from the second tier at Meadowlands after all these years is grounds for immediate dismissal. The other day after a horse wins at a $25+ mutual he said one host sent it in. Here we go with the logo deal again as it can say under $20, $20+, $50+ to win and then there would be proof. Not once did they ever tell you to bet the horse just to win.

Having said all of this I like a bunch of people who work there. Rich Perloff, Frank Mirahmadi, Sarge, Christina Olivares talk to you not at you.

Still you are better off with TVG then without. My two cents.

[Light]

If there were anyone who could consistently post a positive ROI, be it a TVG analyst or other media,I would throw away my form and just use their picks. It takes alot of work and time to thoroughly and properly handicap a race card or 2 and you have no guarantee of success for all that hard work.

I can guarantee you if TVG ever did find an analyst who could consistently show a profit they would advertize his picks till you turned blue. Do you realize how strong a marketing tool that would be for them to generate handle? They dont care if you win or lose,they make a percentage off the bets they handle and having someone with a strong and consistent ROI would have TVG exec's drooling. Of course as soon as a successful TVG analyst started catching on with the public,everyone would bet his picks and his ROI would plummet big time for loss of value.

And of course they don't keep track of their hosts ROI. It would be a major turn off to say, "bet Matt C's picks,he's our leading capper in Pk4's with a -200% ROI" Oh yeah,that would go over quite well with the public and TVG executives. TVG hosts are part actor and have to play the part of so called "experts" that TVG presents them as. So,they will continue to ignore their own results.

[feelup1963]

ANYTIME YOU ARE PICKING/TOUTING FOUR OR MORE HORSES IN ANY ANY GIVEN RACE YOU ARE NOT A EXPERT HANDICAPPER. MAJORITY OF THE TIME THEY STILL END UP NOT PICKING THE WINNER OF THE RACE.AWAY WITH THOSE PICKS/TICKETS ON AIR,BUT IT'S A PLOY TO BUILT UP THEIR REVENUE. :bang:

[exiles]

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I hate dissing individuals but Ken Rudolph is especially clueless. Having stated the 10 leaves from the second tier at Meadowlands



That's nothing one day Rudolph asked his co host if BELMONT was a harness or a flat track.

[thaskalos]

You forgot to mention "mr b"......do you really need him to tell you who the favorite is?????????:sleeping:

By the way i'm not THAT "mr b"
I'm the one looking for value! Did I hear right...did mr. B, not too long ago, claim to have won the pick 6...over 50 times??

[horses4courses]

Did I hear right...did mr. B, not too long ago, claim to have won the pick 6...over 50 times??

He may well have.....and still be in the red ;)

[Stillriledup]

Here's a novel concept that I'm sure is way too sensible for TV to adapt.

With all the plugging on TVG/HRTV to bet on their respective ADW affiliates, isn't it about time that they kept track of how their touts are doing?

Ticket after ticket (mostly P3, P4 action) gets plugged daily, without any accountability as to how their selections are doing over time.
You only ever hear about the occasional hit, which gets applauded like crazy.

Any serious gambler knows - record keeping is essential.

If they ever had any handicappers on air who could actually pick winners consistently, maybe people would take some notice.
They, obviously, need "on-air talent" to introduce programming.
At the same time, many of these people find it hard to pick winners.
If there was a tally of their plays on the screen, over a week/month/meeting, there might be some embarrassment. Perhaps, even a career change?

With summer racing on the horizon, it's time for change at TVG/HRTV in how they go about trying to drum-up betting interest.


I would have to believe that many, if not all, of their hosts who release pick anything tickets are in the red. If they were in the black, all of them, i would have to imagine they would show you the 'lifetime boxscore'.

There's really nothing stopping any individual person from spending hours per week keeping track of every TVG analysts bets, so if that floats your boat, why not?

Its pretty obvious that all these analysts are lifetime losers with stuff they gave out, its not rocket science. They are talking heads not professional gamblers.

I guess the 64 dollar question would be this. Why does TVG not hire professional horseplayers to give out pick 4s? You don't even need to have these pro players show up into the studio, you can have their picks just put up on the screen. Would you be more interested in betting a pick 4 from a guy who makes his income from horse betting, or some talking head from TVG?

[Bruddah]

My comments are mostly about TVG:

What very few people point out is the damage they do to new customers who give betting on the horses a try. They are fooled into thinking the so called "experts" are really experts and end up losing their asses.

How many newbies have they busted out since they began?

How many times has Ken Rudolph sent people to the windows on one of his picks to "pad your bankroll" in the early races?

"Pad your bankroll" my ass. :D

Ken Rudolph needs to call Santa (not Santa Anita) and inquire about the job of pulling his sleigh on Christmas Eve. Rudolph is a natural, give him enough whiskey until his nose glows red. As a TV personality and handicapper the guy is a total failure and needs to find other employment.

[trigger]

Hey, there is such a thing as personal responsibility and accountability.....if someone is naive enough as a new horse player to turn on TVG for the first time (or CNBC, etc as an investor) and take the talking heads picks as gospel then I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell them.
I think you underestimate most people.

[andymays]

The only way this stuff stops is a class action lawsuit.

And that aint happening anytime soon.

Let the buyer of the tickets beware.

[Stillriledup]

The only way this stuff stops is a class action lawsuit.

And that aint happening anytime soon.

Let the buyer of the tickets beware.

Maybe one day if HANA gets big enough, they can organize stuff like this, they can get some money to hire some fancy lawyers and go after places like this.

[trigger]

Maybe one day if HANA gets big enough, they can organize stuff like this, they can get some money to hire some fancy lawyers and go after places like this.

Why stop with TVG....might as well sue anybody who states a public opinion on the outcome of a future event....like Newspapers, POTUS, CNBC, all politicians, etc.