Ferdinand

[witchdoctor]

Just read this on the Bloodhorse website.

http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=17051

[Observer]

That's just horrible .. I am sick over this .. and to think .. over there .. this kind of thing "is the rule" .. according to the story.

[PaceAdvantage]

So much for the Exceller Fund.....

I know, I know, this happened in Japan....a nation as backwards as they come in some respects I guess....greedy s.o.bs

[alysheba88]

Disgusting. Same thing may happen to Strike the Gold and Sea Hero. Both are in Turkey. A group is trying to get them out of there before its too late. If this is what happens to Derby winners think of the other poor horses.

[Bubbles]

This is just sick. And just think what might happen to War Emblem, who, to my knowledge, hasn't even been BRED yet. Something has to be done.

[Dave Schwartz]

I'm an oak! (but this really saddens me).

Regards,
Anonymous

[JustRalph]

Originally posted by Bubbles
This is just sick. And just think what might happen to War Emblem, who, to my knowledge, hasn't even been BRED yet. Something has to be done.

I think I read that War Emblem covered about 12 mares. It should be interesting to see if any of his get to the races.

[PaceAdvantage]

Alysheba is also over there...seems they have a thing for Derby winners....I guess it's a good thing one of my favorite horse Sunday Silence died of natural causes (or so they say).

(Of course I'm being a hypocrite....I know plenty of good horses have been sent to slaughter right here in the good ol' USA....so no need for those who are constantly "in the know" to point out the obvious to me...I'll save you the wear and tear on your typing hand)

[SandyE]

For posting the url for the article about Ferdinand. What get's me is that they basicly lied to that lady aobut Ferdinand's where abouts. It makes me mad and sad that it took this long for news about Ferninand to reach us.
Question for PA as to typing hand? You mean there are those who do the ole' hunt and peck style typing? Just my way to ease things in here that's all. By the by PA thank you your the best.

[Observer]

Originally posted by PaceAdvantage
Alysheba is also over there...

PA .. correction .. Alysheba was sent to Saudi Arabia .. not Japan.

I remember a few years back .. Gato Del Sol was brought home because Hancock, the owner whom he won the Derby for, feared for the ol' horse .. this was not too long after the Exceller story broke, and Gato Del Sol wasn't a very strong stallion in Europe, so the deal was made to bring him home to Kentucky.

I wish selling owners would be inspired enough to make a condition of sale that if things don't work out, they are to be notified before anything is done with the horse .. particularly if a slaughterhouse is leading the list of the buyer's options in a failing situation.

Seriously, is it really that difficult for these people to seek out a new home?? Don't they think someone somewhere would have been willing to kick over MORE money than the slaughterhouse, especially for a horse like Ferdinand?? Not that I approve any slaughter of this kind .. horses bred for anything other than slaughter should never be permitted to pass through those rings .. but, I do think you'd have a lot more people jumping up to purchase Ferdinand, than a horse that never even made it to an actual race.

These people are pathetic!!

[freeneasy]

why dont these people just contact the privious american owners and just say something like hey we have'nt any more intrests in breeding this horse and he will most likely not be pastured for his remainig days but will be slaughtered if we cannot find a party to take him over. whats so freaken hard about that. a couple of phone calls, a few arrangments here and there. and presto ferdy's on his way back home. if i would have known that, hell, i would have bought the fkg horse. bought? now that i think about it a little bit what the hell am i talking about? bought. they would have probably given the soab away. like those adds you see in the papers, " free stove to whoever wants to haul it away"
next time we sell a horse to foreigners there should be added agreements in the sales contract that stipulate something like "buyers must pay a penelty or fine and this penalty/ fine must be paid to the american sellers of said horse, and this penelty/ fine must be equal to the lifetime earnings of said horse, and this contract must be written in such a way that it must be immeadiately held up as an unbreakable agreement in the courts of whatever country the horse is being sold to, or something like that.
i mean it couldnt have been any more difficult or simpeler then a rats ass phone call. i dont think i can think of enough names to call these people, pigdogs, warthogs. "well actually were not sure where ferdinand has gone" creatent fkg liars.
shit you could of had a whole lot of fun with this horse. bring him back home, stand him for a couple of g's or two and see what happens. hell, theres a whole hat full of little breeders out there who would have loved to of gotten their little meres under a kentucky derby winner like ferdinand. i betcha charlie would be dusting off the old 4/10 overunder shotgun right about now and booking himself a one way ticket to dodge. you sadasssackofmuleshit.

[freeneasy]

15 words a minute, but when i really got the fingers working man i can flat out fly, and iam talking to the tune of some 20-22 wpm.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally posted by Observer
PA .. correction .. Alysheba was sent to Saudi Arabia .. not Japan.


Ooops...my bad.

[freeneasy]

i got a little to far out in front of myself and forgot to finish the sentencewhen i mentioned stipulations being added to the contract so i'll finish it
i said
the next time we sella horse to a foreigners there should be added agreements in the contract that stipulate something like buyers must pay a penalty or fine / and thats where i left it and i forgot to add / if the horse has been sent to a slaughter house or inappropriately killed.

[Tom]

I have posted before about my favorite horse of all time...Montain Man, a hero at Finger Lakes in the '70s. ? Same fate befell him. One-horse stable Trainer dropped him in for $2500 to try and get a check, and some SOB claimed him. Ran him into the ground (age 10) and then sold him to the killer for $35.
No happy ending here etiher, but at least this SOB got a little country justice handed to him by a few "fans" one night in a local bar.
Sad that in this sport, most of the horses have more brains and heart than the scumbags who own them.

[freeneasy]

a little piece of his ear off

[SandyE]

I did a search over at Del Mar Thoroughbred club's on their pedigree and I found this pedigree there. Is this the horse in question?


MOUNTAIN MAN G, 1976 DP = 11-0-6-2-1 (20) DI = 2.33 CD = 0.90; GSV = 64.80

MOUNTAIN MAN
1976
Progeny
Stakes Results WOLVER HOLLOW (GB)
b. 1964 (36.04)
20-4-5-3
$98,877
Progeny
Stakes Results SOVEREIGN PATH (GB)
gr. 1956 (67.54)
25-8-0-0
Pds 10751
Progeny
Stakes Results GREY SOVEREIGN (GB)*
gr. 1948 [B] (83.85)
22-8-0-0
Pds 8162 NASRULLAH (GB)*
b. 1940 [B] (93.99) NEARCO (ITY) br. 1935 [BC]* 4-r
MUMTAZ BEGUM (GB) b. 1932 * 9-c*
KONG (GB)
gr. 1933 BAYTOWN (IRE) gr. 1925 15-d
CLANG (GB) br. 1925 6-f
MOUNTAIN PATH (GB)
b. 1948
4-1-?-?
$ 397 BOBSLEIGH (GB)*
ch. 1932 (24.03) GAINSBOROUGH (GB) b. 1915 [C]* 2-n
TOBOGGAN (GB) b. 1925 3-l
PATH OF PEACE (GB)
b. 1934 WINALOT (GB) ch. 1921 * 3-i
GRAND PEACE (GB) b. 1929 4-l
CYGNET (GB)
b. 1950
3-1-?-?
$ 903
Progeny
Stakes Results CARACALLA (FR)
b. 1942 (45.09)
?-8-?-? TOURBILLON (FR)*
b. 1928 [CP] (86.74) KSAR (FR) ch. 1918 * 3-n
DURBAN (FR) b. 1918 ** 13-c
ASTRONOMIE (FR)
b. 1932 ASTERUS (FR) b. 1923 [S]* 9-f
LIKKA (FR) ch. 1925 9-e
MRS. SWAN SONG (GB)
b. 1940
?-3-?-?
$ 1,063 SIR WALTER RALEIGH (GB)
b. 1928 (27) PRINCE GALAHAD (GB) ch. 1917 A13
SMOKE LASS (GB) blk/br. 1921 21-a
DONATI'S COMET (GB)
b. 1917 FLYING ORB (GB) ch. 1911 22-a
SUNSHOT (GB) b. 1901 19-b
BECK
1969
Progeny
Stakes Results ST PADDY (GB)*
b. 1957 (69.84)
14-9-0-0
Pds 97193
Progeny
Stakes Results AUREOLE (GB)*
ch. 1950 [C] (90.44)
14-7-?-?
Pds 36225 HYPERION (GB)*
ch. 1930 [BC] (98.38) GAINSBOROUGH (GB) b. 1915 [C]* 2-n
SELENE (GB) b. 1919 ** 6-e
ANGELOLA (GB)*
b. 1945 DONATELLO (FR) ch. 1934 [P]* 14-c
FEOLA (GB) br. 1933 * 2-f
EDIE KELLY (GB)
dkb/br. 1950
9-1-?-?
$ 382 BOIS ROUSSEL (FR)*
br. 1935 [S] (86.31) VATOUT (FR) b. 1926 [S]* 3-c
PLUCKY LIEGE (GB) b. 1912 * 16-a
CAERLISSA (GB)
b. 1935 CAERLEON (GB) br. 1927 * 3-l
SISTER SARAH (GB) br. 1930 * 14-c
SEPH (GB)
gr. 1952
Progeny
Stakes Results ABERNANT (GB)*
gr. 1946 [B] (88.37)
17-14-2-0
$ 75,866 OWEN TUDOR (GB)
br. 1938 (93.13) HYPERION (GB) ch. 1930 [BC]* 6-e
MARY TUDOR (FR) b. 1931 10-b
RUSTOM MAHAL (FR)
gr. 1934 RUSTOM PASHA (GB) dkb/br. 1927 * 2-n
MUMTAZ MAHAL (GB) gr. 1921 ** 9-c*
CONGO (GB)
gr. 1939
-2-0-0 BELLACOSE (GB)
br. 1932 (27) SIR COSMO (IRE) br. 1926 [B] 6-a
ORBELLA (GB) b. 1924 2-i
KONG (GB)
gr. 1933 BAYTOWN (IRE) gr. 1925 15-d
CLANG (GB) br. 1925 6-f

Progeny Siblings Half - Full - 3/4 | Photos | Linebreeding | Equivalents | Tail Female | Stakes Races | Printable Pedigree
Gens: 456789 X-Factor: YesNo Highlight: StandardAll DuplicatesCross DuplicatesX ChromosomeFemale Families Font Size: LargeNormalSmallSmallestMicroscopic * - Photo Available | * - Reine De Course
)MOUNTAIN MAN G, 1976 DP = 11-0-6-2-1 (20) DI = 2.33 CD = 0.90; GSV = 64.80

MOUNTAIN MAN
1976
Progeny
Stakes Results WOLVER HOLLOW (GB)
b. 1964 (36.04)
20-4-5-3
$98,877
Progeny
Stakes Results SOVEREIGN PATH (GB)
gr. 1956 (67.54)
25-8-0-0
Pds 10751
Progeny
Stakes Results GREY SOVEREIGN (GB)*
gr. 1948 [B] (83.85)
22-8-0-0
Pds 8162 NASRULLAH (GB)*
b. 1940 [B] (93.99) NEARCO (ITY) br. 1935 [BC]* 4-r
MUMTAZ BEGUM (GB) b. 1932 * 9-c*
KONG (GB)
gr. 1933 BAYTOWN (IRE) gr. 1925 15-d
CLANG (GB) br. 1925 6-f
MOUNTAIN PATH (GB)
b. 1948
4-1-?-?
$ 397 BOBSLEIGH (GB)*
ch. 1932 (24.03) GAINSBOROUGH (GB) b. 1915 [C]* 2-n
TOBOGGAN (GB) b. 1925 3-l
PATH OF PEACE (GB)
b. 1934 WINALOT (GB) ch. 1921 * 3-i
GRAND PEACE (GB) b. 1929 4-l
CYGNET (GB)
b. 1950
3-1-?-?
$ 903
Progeny
Stakes Results CARACALLA (FR)
b. 1942 (45.09)
?-8-?-? TOURBILLON (FR)*
b. 1928 [CP] (86.74) KSAR (FR) ch. 1918 * 3-n
DURBAN (FR) b. 1918 ** 13-c
ASTRONOMIE (FR)
b. 1932 ASTERUS (FR) b. 1923 [S]* 9-f
LIKKA (FR) ch. 1925 9-e
MRS. SWAN SONG (GB)
b. 1940
?-3-?-?
$ 1,063 SIR WALTER RALEIGH (GB)
b. 1928 (27) PRINCE GALAHAD (GB) ch. 1917 A13
SMOKE LASS (GB) blk/br. 1921 21-a
DONATI'S COMET (GB)
b. 1917 FLYING ORB (GB) ch. 1911 22-a
SUNSHOT (GB) b. 1901 19-b
BECK
1969
Progeny
Stakes Results ST PADDY (GB)*
b. 1957 (69.84)
14-9-0-0
Pds 97193
Progeny
Stakes Results AUREOLE (GB)*
ch. 1950 [C] (90.44)
14-7-?-?
Pds 36225 HYPERION (GB)*
ch. 1930 [BC] (98.38) GAINSBOROUGH (GB) b. 1915 [C]* 2-n
SELENE (GB) b. 1919 ** 6-e
ANGELOLA (GB)*
b. 1945 DONATELLO (FR) ch. 1934 [P]* 14-c
FEOLA (GB) br. 1933 * 2-f
EDIE KELLY (GB)
dkb/br. 1950
9-1-?-?
$ 382 BOIS ROUSSEL (FR)*
br. 1935 [S] (86.31) VATOUT (FR) b. 1926 [S]* 3-c
PLUCKY LIEGE (GB) b. 1912 * 16-a
CAERLISSA (GB)
b. 1935 CAERLEON (GB) br. 1927 * 3-l
SISTER SARAH (GB) br. 1930 * 14-c
SEPH (GB)
gr. 1952
Progeny
Stakes Results ABERNANT (GB)*
gr. 1946 [B] (88.37)
17-14-2-0
$ 75,866 OWEN TUDOR (GB)
br. 1938 (93.13) HYPERION (GB) ch. 1930 [BC]* 6-e
MARY TUDOR (FR) b. 1931 10-b
RUSTOM MAHAL (FR)
gr. 1934 RUSTOM PASHA (GB) dkb/br. 1927 * 2-n
MUMTAZ MAHAL (GB) gr. 1921 ** 9-c*
CONGO (GB)
gr. 1939
-2-0-0 BELLACOSE (GB)
br. 1932 (27) SIR COSMO (IRE) br. 1926 [B] 6-a
ORBELLA (GB) b. 1924 2-i
KONG (GB)
gr. 1933 BAYTOWN (IRE) gr. 1925 15-d
CLANG (GB) br. 1925 6-f

Progeny Siblings Half - Full - 3/4 | Photos | Linebreeding | Equivalents | Tail Female | Stakes Races | Printable Pedigree
Gens: 456789 X-Factor: YesNo Highlight: StandardAll DuplicatesCross DuplicatesX ChromosomeFemale Families Font Size: LargeNormalSmallSmallestMicroscopic * - Photo Available | * - Reine De Course

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For what it's worth I happen to do a lot of looking up pedigrees and I have not seen GSV before so what does it mean? Is that a time rating or something? I know I ought to know this but for some reason I don't.

[SandyE]

Too funny about the posting bit. Biting a bit of ear off? Outside of what's his name I don't think so. lol

[$$$$$]

GSV = Genetic Strength Value


http://www.members.shaw.ca/angoss1/graspalphabetical.html

[Wiley]

This is a horrible thing. I find it interesting that the national press, at least my local newspaper sports section, reports only that Ferdinand died without reference to how. Are they saving the sport from another black eye or will it just come out later? It's too bad when the stars of racing reach the end of their money making usefullness that their lives can become so devalued. To me it shouldn't be that way these horses should remain national treasures.

[Tom]

My Mountain Man was a son of Gallant Man and to my knowledge, never made it to the breeding shed. He was running in the early 70's at Finager Lakes. Somewhere, I have old forms and will look him up for date of birth, dam, etc.
Thanks for the interest...the ole boy will be happy he is being talked about 30 years later.

[SandyE]

Okay I wasn't sure which one he was since there were at least two found on the pedigree page. And both were geldings by the by.

[Tom]

By Gallant Man out of Meadow Mole.
Trained by PJ Mulrooney ridden by Warren Vedilago.

[VetScratch]

Most modern-day owners don't own their own farms, and those that do own farms tend to own a lot of horses.

What to do with horses when they leave the racetrack is always a problem. There are not enough "free" redeployment or retirement options available.

Horses may live for many years after they leave the racetrack. Few owners are prepared to pay for care and feeding for ten or fifteen years. Neither do they find sending a horse to the killers very appealing.

As a result, most owners ask trainers to "find a home" for their horses because they don't want to face the stark realities of the situation. If the worst is the best that can be arranged, most trainers avoid laying guilt trips on their owners, and most owners don't force the issue by asking for too many details. The most common white lie is that horses are "given to someone" who has a new purpose for them, such as jumping or hunting.

Some horses actually do find a new home, but how many varies greatly by trainer and geographic location.

[Kentucky Bred]

...you must be rolling over in your grave.

Japan, you living pieces of garbage. I wish I could say with confidence that we are much better than you in how we value our animals, but I can say we're a little.

Don't take our stallions to your god forsaken island and act like you revere there prowess only to later treat them like dog meat (literally) when they no longer serve your purpose.

Kentucky Bred

[freeneasy]

i got the inspiration from this country western song, cant remember the name, cant remember who sung it, bout some redneck that didnt like another redneck and the one spit in the others ear.
the one redneck that got his ear spit in beat up the other redneck that spit in his ear.
after the one redneck beat up the other redneck for spittin in his ear he took out his knife and cut off the ear of the redneck that spit in his ear.
the redneck that cut off the ear of the other redneck reaches down and hands the man back his ear.
after handing the man back his ear the song proceeds to tell us that he says to the man in his good ear he sez, the next time you wanna spit in someones ear, you can spit in your own damned ear.
a real barroom favorite, think it topped the charts. merel haggart?

[gino]

COLORADO KOOL AIDE
(Written by Phil Thomas)
Johnny Paycheck


Well, I was sittin' in this beer joint down in Houston, Texas.
Was drinkin' Colorado Kool-Aid and talkin' to some Mexicans,
An' we was....what's that you say?
What's Colorado Kool-Aid?

Well, it's a can of Coors brewed from a mountain stream.
It'll set you head on fire an' make your kidneys scream,
Oh, it sure is fine.
Yeah, we was havin' ourselves one of them real good times.

But you know every beer joint that you've ever been in,
Some big, mean drunk who just ain't got no friend,
Sure enough, he wants to fight,
Yeah, he's gonna whip everything in sight.

Well, he took him a big swallow of beer,
And he spit in my Mexican friends ear.
And, sure enough, that made my buddie real mad.
That's somethin' like he ain't never had.

Well, sir, he pulled out a big, long switch blade knife;
Quick as a whistle he began to slice.
An, that big mean drunk stood back, his face full of tears,
Lookin' down at the floor, an' one of his ears.

Ha, he cut that thing off, even with the sideburns.
You might say the little Mexican fella, he just didn't give a durn.
But he was a gentleman about it, an' bent over and with a half way
grin,
Picked it up and handed it back to him.

He said: "Now big man, you get the urge to spit a little beer,
"Just open up your hand there, and spit it in your own ear.
"Won't be no trouble that way." That's what I heard him say.

And I said: "Barmaid, set us up a round of that Colorado Kool-Aid.
"An while you're up their, bring this big fella, here, a box of Band
aids."

Now let me tell you: if you're ever ridin' down in south of Texas,
Decide to stop an' drink some Colorado Kool-Aid,
An' maybe talk to some Mexicans,
An' you get the urge to get a little tough,
Better make damn sure you got your knife proof ear-muff.

Hey, ain't that right big man? I said ain't that right big man?
Ah, hell he can't hear, not on this side anyway, he ain't got no ear.

Hey barmaid, bring us all a big, tall glass of that Colorado Kool-
Aid.
How about it?

How you doin', big man? Still got your ear there in your hand?

Fade out.

Free-
one of my all time favorites....
gino
words to live by

[VetScratch]

Pass the nachos, please! :) :) :)

[freeneasy]

had a chance to get out to Santa Rosa this year?

[SandyE]

I'd post the other pedigree but Del Mar has shut down their pedigree page so got to wait to be able to get that other pedigree of the one your referring to.
Freeneasy I thought it was about someone else biting an ear off other then Mike Tyson. :D

[freeneasy]

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