Which prep does the derby winner come from?

[only11]

IMO the SA derby will have the derby winner?Which prep was the key?

[WinterTriangle]

POTN finished 2nd, Papa Clem 4th, and Chocolate Candy finished 5th last year; so much for ignoring *synth* horses, many people made a lot of $ on the exotics. :)

[SMOO]

The Sunland Derby of course. :ThmbUp:

[46zilzal]

IMO the SA derby will have the derby winner?Which prep was the key?
Let history guide you
Blue Grass first
2009 General Quarters
2008 Monba
2007 Dominican
2006 Sinister Minister LAST ONE ON DIRT
2005 Bandini
2004 The Cliff's Edge
2003 Peace Rules This one had a shot genetics of not
2002 Harlan's Holiday
2001 Millennium Wind
2000 High Yield
1999 Menifee another one a competitor
1998 Halory Hunter
1997 Pulpit
1996 Skip Away
1995 Wild Syn
1994 Holy Bull
1993 Prairie Bayou
1991 Strike the Gold LAST winner
1990 Summer Squall well known bleeder sent too far
1989 Western Playboy
1988 Granacus
1987 War
1986 Bachelor Beau
1985 Chief's Crown genetics said no, proved correct
1984 Taylor's Special
1983 Play Fellow
1982 Linkage very good one came back at Baltimore
1981 Proud Appeal
1980 Rockhill Native
1979 Spectacular Bid another winner

TWO since 1979.....

Look at the Wood
1976 Bold Forbes Angel Cordero, Jr.
1977 Seattle Slew
1978 Believe It
1979 Instrument Landing
1980 Plugged Nickle
1981 Pleasant Colony
1982 Air Forbes Won
1983 Bounding Basque
1983 Slew o'Gold
1984 Leroy S.
1985 Eternal Prince
1986 Broad Brush
1987 Gulch
1988 Private Terms
1989 Easy Goer
1990 Thirty Six Red
1991 Cahill Road if sound would have had a shot
1992 Devil His Due
1993 Storm Tower
1994 Irgun
1995 Talkin Man what a false favorite this one turned into
1996 Unbridled's Song Paragallo's ego topped reality
1997 Captain Bodgit
1998 Coronado's Quest
1999 Adonis Jorge Chavez
2000 Fusaichi Pegasus
2001 Congaree
2002 Buddha we never found out here
2003 Empire Maker
2004 Tapit
2005 Bellamy Road
2006 Bob and John
2007 Nobiz Like Shobiz
2008 Tale of Ekati
2009 I Want Revenge
2010 Eskendereya

SA Derby
2010 Sidney's Candy look at the drought sine the surface change
2009 Pioneerof the Nile
2008 Colonel John
2007 Tiago
2006 Brother Derek
2005 Buzzards Bay
2004 Castledale
2002 Came Home
2001 Point Given
2000 The Deputy
1999 General Challenge
1998 Indian Charlie
1997 Free House
1996 Cavonnier in most years the winner
1995 Larry the Legend
1994 Brocco
1993 Personal Hope
1992 A.P. Indy a very very good one
1991 Dinard
1990 Mister Frisky limited by genetics
1989 Sunday Silence
1988 Winning Colors
1987 Temperate Sil
1986 Snow Chief triumphed at Baltimore
1985 Skywalker bigger things down the road
1984 Mighty Adversary
1983 Marfa if this one could run straight might be different
1982 Muttering
1981 Splendid Spruce
1980 Codex
1979 Flying Paster
1978 Affirmed one of the best winners of this race ever
Arkansas Derby
2009 Papa Clem
2008 Gayego
2007 Curlin
2006 Lawyer Ron
2005 Afleet Alex should have been a Triple Crown here
2004 Smarty Jones almost a Triple Crown here
2003 Sir Cherokee
2002 Private Emblem
2001 Balto Star loved this old front runner on the green
2000 Graeme Hall
1999 Certain
1998 Victory Gallop a very good one running style against him
1997 Crypto Star
1996 Zarb's Magic
1995 Dazzling Falls
1994 Concern FROM the absolute CLOUDS
1993 Rockamundo probably drugged or buzzed
1992 Pine Bluff
1991 Olympio
1990 Silver Ending
1989 Dansil
1988 Proper Reality
1987 Demons Begone bleeder
1986 Rampage
1985 Tank's Prospect had his day in Maryland
1984 Althea
1983 Sunny's Halo
1982 Hostage
1981 Bold Ego
1980 Temperence Hill

LOOOOOOSianna Derby the least productive
2010 Mission Impazible
2009 Friesan Fire
2008 Pyro
2007 Circular Quay
2006 No Race
2005 High Limit
2003 Peace Rules
2002 Repent
2001 Fifty Stars
2000 Mighty
1999 Kimberlite Pipe
1998 Comic Strip
1997 Crypto Star
1996 Grindstone
1995 Petionville
1994 Kandaly
1993 Dixieland Heat
1992 Line In The Sand
1991 Richman
1990 Heaven Again
1989 Dispersal
1988 Risen Star
1987 J. T.'s Pet
1986 Country Light
1985 Violado
1984 Taylor's Special
1983 Balboa Native eventually went lame later that year
1982 El Baba
1981 Woodchopper late late move in Louisville
1980 Prince Valiant

Illinois Derby only produced War Emblem

[SmartyLane]

You are forgetting one very VERY important prep.

[46zilzal]

You are forgetting one very VERY important prep.
Just because ONE long shot ONE year comes from Sunland, does not mean it is a staple.

[Tom]

I agree the SA Derby is the key this year, both the winner and Lucky.
All those other races from yesteryear have no meaning this year whatsoever - none of them are running.

[SmartyLane]

Just because ONE long shot ONE year comes from Sunland, does not mean it is a staple.

My bad I guess I misunderstood the thread. I was referring to the Florida Derby, not the Sunland. Don't think it is up there in the list.

[upset]

Call me crazy, maybe it was decieveing because a weak field like Pyro, but i thought that Line of David was very visually impressive. Not as visually impressive as Point Givens SA derby but impressive all the same. What will his odds be 25/1?

[MNslappy]

2006 Sinister Minister LAST ONE ON DIRT

what a freaky performance that was, did he ever win another race after that?

[judd]

do you think pletcher will ever win the big one ?

[SMOO]

do you think pletcher will ever win the big one ?

It may be this year or never.

[WinterTriangle]

Call me crazy, maybe it was decieveing because a weak field like Pyro, but i thought that Line of David was very visually impressive.

You need to watch the replay. He was leg weary and weaving inward...he probably wanted to go lay down in the infield. ;)

that was only 1-1/8th miles. :)

Brave fast guy, and a gorgeous hunk of horseflesh, but we just had a case where none of the others tried to pass him.

[joanied]

You need to watch the replay. He was leg weary and weaving inward...he probably wanted to go lay down in the infield. ;)

that was only 1-1/8th miles. :)

Brave fast guy, and a gorgeous hunk of horseflesh, but we just had a case where none of the others tried to pass him.

Gotta agree with you, WT:ThmbUp: Line of David will be no where in the Derby...wish a few of these outside horses would give it up so a good one like Setsuko can get in.

[bisket]

i say we change the parameters for entry, and if mandella thinks setsuka belongs he gets in ;) thats good enough for me.

[GaryG]

Gotta agree with you, WT:ThmbUp: Line of David will be no where in the Derby...wish a few of these outside horses would give it up so a good one like Setsuko can get in.Setsuko might look like Silky Sullivan if the pace is as fast as it looks like it could be. I also agree about LOD....Dublin would never have passed him, ever, and SS closing was an illusion.

[upset]

i say we change the parameters for entry, and if mandella thinks setsuka belongs he gets in ;) thats good enough for me.
If you've won x? amount of G1 races and you say you have a late developer that belongs they give you a pass on earnings

[joanied]

i say we change the parameters for entry, and if mandella thinks setsuka belongs he gets in ;) thats good enough for me.

da bisket comes up with a good idea :) ...good enough for me too:ThmbUp: ...
but, seriously...IMO, they do need to change there system for getting into the gate on Derby Day...this system of earnings is not a fair one, IMO.

[Dahoss9698]

What is a more fair system, if going by earnings is unfair? I think all trainers think their horse should be in the Derby. Heck, that maiden that wanted to run in the Wood's trainer thought she belonged in the Derby.

Some horses get excluded, but earnings is the most fair way. It puts the horses in the gate that have performed the best.

[joanied]

What is a more fair system, if going by earnings is unfair? I think all trainers think their horse should be in the Derby. Heck, that maiden that wanted to run in the Wood's trainer thought she belonged in the Derby.

Some horses get excluded, but earnings is the most fair way. It puts the horses in the gate that have performed the best.

Well, of course they all want to run in the Derby...that is besides the point...but even the powers that be are re thinking the earnings system...talking about going to a point system instead. points given per Graded win...so much for Grade I, II & III.

[bisket]

thats what i think may be best joinied: the point system. i just think more points should be given to wins and in the money finishes in a route prep than these sprints early in the 2 year old season. years ago the 2 year old sprints were stepping stones to derby preps. in present times horses are bred specifically for the early sprints and preps. knowing a few quick wins in these races and you already have stud value. the game is has changed enough now that the earnings system has become out dated. you want the horses that have the best chance for success to hopefully be in the gate derby day, and not many entries just so the ownership get good seats and an invite to all the good parties. ;)

[Dahoss9698]

Well, of course they all want to run in the Derby...that is besides the point...but even the powers that be are re thinking the earnings system...talking about going to a point system instead. points given per Graded win...so much for Grade I, II & III.

Even a point system wouldn't help a horse like Setsuko who has won a maiden race and that's it. It is my understanding that only money earned in graded events is what is counted. Now, do I think Setsuko has a better chance hitting the board over a horse like Homeboykris? Absolutely. But, Homeboykris has earned his way in.

Either way there are going to be horses excluded. In my opinion if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Everyone knows what you need to do to get into the race. If you don't make it, point towards the Preakness.

[joanied]

There is a topic over at the General Racing' section...just got started on this very thing. The poster has a link to and part of an article about changing the system...you guys should go over and check it out.
It's sahme a horse like Setsuko won't get in...some horses are late developing, and some of those would maybe be reaching their true form just before the Derby...but are left out because of earnings. It's a shame.

[miesque]

It would appear the chance that the Derby winner coming out of the Wood Memorial has taken a large hit this morning with Eskenereya's defection. Awesome Act does have a reasonable chance as a result of the likely pace scenario and extra furlong but I don't see those factors helping Jackson Bend. Conversely the prospects of the Derby winner coming out of the Santa Anita Derby or Blue Grass has increased.