Overrated-Underrated..

[only11]

Could be jockey,trainer,owner,breeder,horse,track,announcer ,handicapper.....

Neil Drysdale-Underratted
Xtra Heat-Underrated

Breeders Cup-Overrated
Lukas-Overrated

[Robert Goren]

Humorist

Tom -underrated

After today
handicapper
Robert Goren - way overrated in his own mind

[thaskalos]

OVER-RATED: Beyer speed figures.

UNDER-RATED: Sharp shippers from Oaklawn Park.

[NTamm1215]

Could be jockey,trainer,owner,breeder,horse,track,announcer ,handicapper.....

Neil Drysdale-Underratted
Xtra Heat-Underrated

Breeders Cup-Overrated
Lukas-Overrated

Even if he's struggled recently, hasn't D. Wayne Lukas done enough to get a pass?

NT

[mountainman]

Overrated- Ky Derby..lone speed on paper..class..whipping..graded placings in grass races..weight..workouts..'easy' wins..suspicious droppers..long range stats..beaten favorites..sprint speed in route races..gallop outs..late money..favored shippers

Underrated-the break call..path bias..strategy..hot and cold trainers..the chaos factor in vertical exotics..soundness..short term trends..horses for courses..the will to win..trainer intent..warmups..luck..early money..longshot shippers

[dccprez]

OVER:
Anyone who purports to be an "expert" picking winners.
Most of the TVG talking heads (see above).
John Velasquez (...actuyally, that's more a personal issue...he's a jerk but a damn fine jock).
Turf-to-dirt angles.
Beyer Figures to pick Derby winners.
Dosage (..wait...does ANYBODY really use/believe "dosage" anyway??)
Touts.
Sheets (any).
Rick Dutrow.
Churchill Downs.
the "New" Gulfstream Park

UNDER:
Delaware Park
James Bond (the trainer, not the spy you knuckleheads)
Calder
night time racing

[Robert Goren]

Overrated

trip handicapping
Underrated
Changes in "fast" tracks, things like "cuppy" tracks

[46zilzal]

Even if he's struggled recently, hasn't D. Wayne Lukas done enough to get a pass?

NT
The BREAKDOWN KING? No he should get more disdain with the biochemical way he destroyed many an animal on the training tracks that we never even heard of.

Read HEADLESS HORSEMEN to find out the genesis of many of the druggists on horseback........and the quarter horse environments they came from.

[TJDave]

Overrated:

Jockeys

Underrated:

Zenyatta

[Stevie Belmont]

Overrated—Eskendereya

Underrated—Sidney's Candy

[hazzardm]

Overrated: Ground loss on the turn

Underrated: Early speed on soft/yielding turf.

[1st time lasix]

***overrated-.....jockeys, expert selectors, Calder, integrity of the human element in the game, price at auction, race traffic excuses, dime superfectas, big mouths at the simulcast venues, cheap American beer :ThmbDown: ***Underrated....take out, record keeping, post positions, track bias, random chaos, exotic ticket structure, attentive servers and ticket punchers, sufficient bankroll, dawn at the track watching workouts, black lace garments on pretty women, and ice cold dirty vodka martinis:ThmbUp:

[McSock]

Over Rated :
Big Brown (without roids)
A LOT of forum trolls that are self proclaimed experts.

Under Rated:
Several good jockeys

[46zilzal]

Over Rated :
Big Brown (without roids)
A LOT of forum trolls that are self proclaimed experts.

Under Rated:
Several good jockeys
There are many solid professionals who just don't get the mounts and still do a very good job, agreed.


OVER-RATED the effect of furosemide LASIX....woof

[Cholly]

Overrated: Numbers
Underrated: Words

Overrated: Trainers
Underrated: Owners

Overrated: “Stakes” races for 2yo’s
Underrated: 5yo Claimers

Overrated: Turf sprints at Saratoga
Underrated: Two-turn miles on the Inner

Overrated: Whining
Underrated: Voting with your feet

The absolute most overrated thing in horse racing: Trainers and/or Owners who don’t have enough sense to take off their sunglasses while being interviewed on TV (C'mon guys, get a clue!)
The most underrated: Video shots of thoroughbreds in the winner’s Circle, magnificent in their grandeur, fidgeting in exhaustion and exhilaration, comprehending that they have just accomplished the incredible (Hey Producers--heavy up on this and lighten up on the scrolling numbers)