Rush Hops Freighter To Costa Rica

[NJ Stinks]

Man, I hope he makes it! :jump: Apparently, the ship docks at Dominical and then Rush is going to take his ass up to the mountainous suburbs of San Jose. There he hopes to find a well-connected housekeeper. :cool:

Whatever you do down there, Rush, for God's sake drink the water! :ThmbUp:

Too bad he left in a huff, though. See link below:

http://www.aticketforrush.com/

[JustRalph]

Rush said he would go there for his health care when it turns to shit here in the U.S.

Once again you Libs can't even hear

Btw, Rush doesn't need a freighter........he travels on the nicest Aircraft in the world........A Gulf-stream V

[PaceAdvantage]

Do you think Rush might join all those folks who said they were leaving over George W. Bush? Oh, that's right...none of those folks never actually left the good ol' U.S.A.

Never mind.

[Tom]

The left have serious problem with comprehension.
If they insist on attacking Rush, at least one of them should actually listen to the whole program and get he facts right.

As it is, they keep looking like total idiots! :lol:

[hcap]

Rush said he would go there for his health care when it turns to shit here in the U.S.

Once again you Libs can't even hear

Btw, Rush doesn't need a freighter........he travels on the nicest Aircraft in the world........A Gulf-stream V
Btw, I believe Costa Rica has universal health care. Well, he will be treated well assuming he doesn't bitch and leave to find a non universal health care country. Trouble is 95% ofr the industrialized world has universal care of some sort, and pay on the average 50-60% of what we do per capita with medical outcomes at least as good as ours if not better.

Maybe Somalia? :D

[Snag]

Btw, I believe Costa Rica has universal health care. Well, he will be treated well assuming he doesn't bitch and leave to find a non universal health care country. Trouble is 95% ofr the industrialized world has universal care of some sort, and pay on the average 50-60% of what we do per capita with medical outcomes at least as good as ours if not better.


Care to back up your above comment? Is that why folks come to the USA when they need health care (at least for now)? Once again, the facts get in the way don't they hcap?

[hcap]

Care to back up your above comment? Is that why folks come to the USA when they need health care (at least for now)? Once again, the facts get in the way don't they hcap?We have had this discussion many times before. I have backed it up. Many times. Many times.

[hcap]

Without going into the universal UNIVERSAL health care systems of the rest of the world, let me back up my Costa Rica statement.

"Public Health Care - Caja Costarricense de Seguro Social (CCSS)

Costa Rica’s public health insurance system, commonly known as the Caja, is available country-wide to all citizens and legal residents. There are ten major public hospitals – four in San Jose, including the Children’s Hospital – affiliated with the Caja. For non-emergencies and everyday medical care, small clinics, known as EBAIS (pronounced ay-vy-ice), are located in almost every community."

Yes socialized medicine to a degree, although you can purchase private plans as well. Maybe Rush will take advantage of a private insurer, but according to the bill that just passed, he could just stay put and do the same thing here.

[horses4courses]

Rush, of course, does have the added consideration of needing strong prescription drugs being readily available...... :lol:

[DJofSD]

hcap, your argument that the rest of the world has universal health care therefore the U. S. must be wrong is full of crap. You ever heard the expression 'eat sh*t, 10 million flies can't be wrong!'

[Tom]

Btw, I believe Costa Rica has universal health care. Well, he will be treated well assuming he doesn't bitch and leave to find a non universal health care country. Trouble is 95% ofr the industrialized world has universal care of some sort, and pay on the average 50-60% of what we do per capita with medical outcomes at least as good as ours if not better.

Maybe Somalia? :D

And 95% of the world is not fit to live in.
Your level of posting shows your frustration!
:lol:

[Black Ruby]

For years, the US has annually given Israel 10% of their annual budget, about $3 billion. Israel has universal health care, which, arguably, we pay for. So how about you guys start railing about this "Socialism" and demand that we stop paying for Israel's universal health care?

[lamboguy]

For years, the US has annually given Israel 10% of their annual budget, about $3 billion. Israel has universal health care, which, arguably, we pay for. So how about you guys start railing about this "Socialism" and demand that we stop paying for Israel's universal health care?
that is a new one to me, i had alway's thought that the only thing the united states has ever done for israel is guarantee their loans.

[Tom]

Because it is not the farce this one is.
And Israel is not us.
Unlike OBama, I don't presume to tell them how to run their country surrounded by mad dogs killers.

[Black Ruby]

that is a new one to me, i had alway's thought that the only thing the united states has ever done for israel is guarantee their loans.

No, we do that too, but we give them that money every year. And it's the only country that we give the money in one lump sum. The other countries that we give money, we give it in 3-4 payments. And Israel is one of the 40 wealthiest countries on earth. You should look at a site like OpenSecrets.org and see how much money AIPAC gives the members of the Senate appropriations committee that votes to give Israel that money every year. Both Dems and Repubs are rewarded.

Anyway, we're paying for healthcare for the citizens of many other countries, but not our own.

[sandpit]

Btw, Rush doesn't need a freighter........he travels on the nicest Aircraft in the world........A Gulf-stream V

Another reason why he relates so well to the common man...seriously, who gives a shiite where he gets his healthcare? The super-rich in this country, of which he is one, can afford whatever they have to, no matter how expensive the gov't tries to make it.

[46zilzal]

And 95% of the world is not fit to live in.
Your level of posting shows your frustration!:
You have never travel led much it is obvious. Old Europe is amazing, Ireland remarkable and from all that I have learned second hand, Australia seems a great place to visit.

[Tom]

Visit does not equal live there.
How's Haiti grab ya for a new home?
Iran?
China?

You have never travel led much it is obvious.
There are STATES not fit to live in.

[horses4courses]

You have never travel led much it is obvious. Old Europe is amazing, Ireland remarkable and from all that I have learned second hand, Australia seems a great place to visit.

I'll second that....

I love living where I do, am proud to be American, but there is plenty of good out there beyond these shores.

[MrBaseball]

Once again, all these monitors of talk radio filter out the whole context of what was said. Both sides are guilty of this. They make the story fit their agenda.

I happened to hear that particular program segment of Rush's show. As I remember it, a caller mention that she worked for an insurance company. This company in anticipation of drastic health insurance reforms dictated by pending legislation would in effect put them outa business, was mulling the possibilty of setting up operations off-shore (Costa Rica) to accomodate their policy-holders. That's where Rush piped in with the idea of flying to Costa Rica for health-care.................not permantely moving to that location. No slow boats for Rushie he owns his Gulfstream.........a real jet-setter.

This is typical spin by these agenda-driven organizations. Of course no-where is it more prevalant than in poltics (Repewblicans and Demoncats).

Mr BB

[boxcar]

For years, the US has annually given Israel 10% of their annual budget, about $3 billion. Israel has universal health care, which, arguably, we pay for. So how about you guys start railing about this "Socialism" and demand that we stop paying for Israel's universal health care?

Another lib who can't construct a valid analogy! Unbelievable. Liberalism certain is a disease of the mind.

Boxcar

[mostpost]

We have had this discussion many times before. I have backed it up. Many times. Many times.
Yeah, right. :rolleyes: You backed it up by citing the facts. Like that's a valid argument. :rolleyes: Get serious, dude. :rolleyes:

[Tom]

You share hcap's delusions?
I didn't realize they were contagious.

[JustRalph]

Rush, of course, does have the added consideration of needing strong prescription drugs being readily available...... :lol:

Not anymore.............unlike Jack Kennedy, apparently Rush has beaten his addiction..........

[Tom]

Jack Kennedy....oh, you mean that guy who cheated on Jackie and had his own Dr Demento following him around with his little case of drugs, right next to the guy with "fooball?" The guy who had one finger on the button and another one on a cotton swab?

That Jack Kennedy?

[PhantomOnTour]

I understand wanting to have a lil fun with Rush and trying to buy him a ticket to the 'Rich Coast' (where else would he go?), but donating any extra or unused monies to Planned Parenthood????....you just lost me beb.

[BenDiesel26]

Yeah, right. :rolleyes: You backed it up by citing the facts. Like that's a valid argument. :rolleyes: Get serious, dude. :rolleyes:

He didn't address the argument. He was asked to point to the facts that their medical outcomes were better than ours. Point me to the post.

[hcap]

From Wiki....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_the_United_States#Health_care_spend ing

Overall system effectiveness compared to other countries

The CIA World Factbook ranked the United States 41st in the world for lowest infant mortality rate[103] and 46th for highest total life expectancy.[104] A recent study found that between 1997 and 2003, preventable deaths declined more slowly in the United States than in 18 other industrialized nations.[105] Life expectancy can be affected by factors other than health care. For example, the United States was listed as 37th for life expectancy and 41st in low birth weight.[106] Similarly, the proportion of low birth weight babies may be affected by factors other than health care.

The Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) found that the United States ranked poorly in terms of Years of potential life lost (YPLL), a statistical measure of years of life lost under the age of 70 that were amenable to being saved by health care. Among OECD nations for which data are available, the United States ranked third last for the health care of women (after Mexico and Hungary) and fifth last for men (Slovakia and Poland were also worse). See the table and source at YPLL for details.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a1/International_Comparison_-_Healthcare_spending_as_%25_GDP.png/800px-International_Comparison_-_Healthcare_spending_as_%25_GDP.png

From Frontline.......

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundtheworld/etc/graphs.html

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundtheworld/art/graph1.jpg

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundtheworld/art/graph2.jpg

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundtheworld/art/graph3.jpg

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http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071202181726AAufewm

WHO rankings:

Rank Country

1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 United States of America
38 Slovenia
39 Cuba
40 Brunei
41 New Zealand
42 Bahrain
43 Croatia
44 Qatar
45 Kuwait
46 Barbados
47 Thailand
48 Czech Republic
49 Malaysia
50 Poland

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From the CDC

Summary

In 2005, the United States ranked 30th in the world in infant mortality, behind most European countries, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Hong Kong, Singapore, Japan, and Israel. There are some differences among countries in the reporting of very small infants who may die soon after birth. However, it appears unlikely that differences in reporting are the primary explanation for the United States’ relatively low international ranking. In 2005, 22 countries had infant mortality rates of 5.0 or below. One would have to assume that these countries did not report more than one-third of their infant deaths for their infant mortality rates to equal or exceed the U.S. rate. This level of underreporting appears unlikely for most developed countries.

http://dll.umaine.edu/ble/U.S.%20HCweb.pdf

[DJofSD]

Show me the waiting list for heart transplanst in Poland.

[BenDiesel26]

From Wiki....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_the_United_States#Health_care_spend ing

Overall system effectiveness compared to other countries

The CIA World Factbook ranked the United States 41st in the world for lowest infant mortality rate[103] and 46th for highest total life expectancy.[104] A recent study found that between 1997 and 2003, preventable deaths declined more slowly in the United States than in 18 other industrialized nations.[105] Life expectancy can be affected by factors other than health care. For example, the United States was listed as 37th for life expectancy and 41st in low birth weight.[106] Similarly, the proportion of low birth weight babies may be affected by factors other than health care.

The Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) found that the United States ranked poorly in terms of Years of potential life lost (YPLL), a statistical measure of years of life lost under the age of 70 that were amenable to being saved by health care. Among OECD nations for which data are available, the United States ranked third last for the health care of women (after Mexico and Hungary) and fifth last for men (Slovakia and Poland were also worse). See the table and source at YPLL for details.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a1/International_Comparison_-_Healthcare_spending_as_%25_GDP.png/800px-International_Comparison_-_Healthcare_spending_as_%25_GDP.png

From Frontline.......

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundtheworld/etc/graphs.html

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundtheworld/art/graph1.jpg

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundtheworld/art/graph2.jpg

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundtheworld/art/graph3.jpg

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http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071202181726AAufewm

WHO rankings:

Rank Country

1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 United States of America
38 Slovenia
39 Cuba
40 Brunei
41 New Zealand
42 Bahrain
43 Croatia
44 Qatar
45 Kuwait
46 Barbados
47 Thailand
48 Czech Republic
49 Malaysia
50 Poland

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http://dll.umaine.edu/ble/U.S.%20HCweb.pdf

Now post 5-year cancer survival rates for all major types of cancer (hint: as of June of last year based on the most recent statistics, the 5-year survival average in the US for men and all cancers was 66%, COMPARED TO 47% IN EUROPE, with only one European country even hitting 60%), and average waiting times for major surgeries and elective surgeries. Thanks. Also, post availability of health screenings and technology, such as number of MRI's etc. Wonder who will come out on top. Hmmmmmmm...... I'm sure you'll be going to Europe if you get cancer, where you have a 20% better chance of dying.

[hcap]

There are areas of health care where we excel. Generally high end expensive procedures.
Chronic diseases and the overall health of it's citizens however is a much better yardstick.
Heart transplants are a tiny fraction of the health care mix.
Nothing in the bill just passed that will prevent you from getting such procedures.

[BenDiesel26]

There are areas of health care where we excel. Generally high end expensive procedures.
Chronic diseases and the overall health of it's citizens however is a much better yardstick.
Heart transplants are a tiny fraction of the health care mix.
Nothing in the bill just passed that will prevent you from getting such procedures.

Hence the reason we pay more for healthcare. The reason we have an almost 50% BETTER 5-year survival rate for men in cancer is because we choose to actually treat our patients (by the way that number includes people with and WITHOUT insurance). That's what I have health insurance for, not for the flu. If you can't get over a cold without going to the doctor, you have problems. If you are an adult going to the emergency room because you have a headache, you should be turned away. Not to mention, more than 10% of our health costs per year have to do with smokers like Obama and obesity, something that the bill will not help at all. If you don't take care of yourself, you should pay more. You should pay substantially more if you smoke (about 100 billion a year by itself), and procedures dealing with diseases resulting from smoking should be your full responsibility. Like 46 said in another post dealing with a similar problem, nobody's twisting your arm.

[Space Monkey]

We have the best healthcare, but we have the worst health care system. Why can't you all understand that the insurance companies are killing people every day, all in name of profit, by denying people care. Its a national disgrace and you support that? Wake the f up.

[horses4courses]

Not anymore.............unlike Jack Kennedy, apparently Rush has beaten his addiction..........

Mmmmhmmm.....just as Tiger doesn't like p***y anymore...........

[BenDiesel26]

We have the best healthcare, but we have the worst health care system. Why can't you all understand that the insurance companies are killing people every day, all in name of profit, by denying people care. Its a national disgrace and you support that? Wake the f up.

I've never been denied care. Nor has anybody in my family, some who have had cancer and still do. Nor was my older brother, with pre-existing wollf-parkinson-white-syndrome that required two surgeries to finally correct after he had it for years. We all have insurance, despite being middle class. So sorry if I have to throw the bullshit flag on that one. Why is Europe killing people? They all have healthcare, yet even including our uninsureds we have better 5-year cancer survival rates by a wide margin. Why the hell are they killing these people everyday? What a national disgrace.

[hcap]

So? There are areas that we indeed do better. But those areas represent a minority of all diseases and conditions.
And only some cancer and heart treatments here are substantially better than in other top ranked countries.

Here are overall cancer death rates by country. Includes preventative care, lifestyle and treatments.


http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_dea_fro_can-health-death-from-cancer


# 16 United Kingdom: 253.5 deaths per 100,000 peopl
# 15 Finland: 255.4 deaths per 100,000 peopl
# 14 Sweden: 268.2 deaths per 100,000 peopl
# 12 France: 286.1 deaths per 100,000 peopl
# 11 Norway: 289.4 deaths per 100,000 peopl
# 10 Australia: 298.9 deaths per 100,000 peopl
# 9 United States: 321.9 deaths per 100,000 peopl
# 8 New Zealand: 327.3 deaths per 100


What about these that represent the bulk of health care costs?

Chronic Diseases and Conditions

* Arthritis
* Alzheimer's Disease and other Dementias
* Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease (COPD)
* Cystic Fibrosis
* Diabetes
* Eating Disorders
* End Stage Renal Disease
* Heart Disease
* Obesity
* Oral Health
* Osteoporosis
* Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy (RSD) Syndrome
* Tobacco Use and Related Conditions

I listed overall costs, outcomes and mortality rates.
You can cherry pick all you want to try and make your case. Does not change the overall picture from the sources I quoted.
The CIA, CDC, and WHO.

[BenDiesel26]

So? There are areas that we indeed do better. But those areas represent a minority of all diseases and conditions.
And only some cancer and heart treatments here are substantially better than in other top ranked countries.

Here are overall cancer death rates by country. Includes preventative care, lifestyle and treatments.


http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_dea_fro_can-health-death-from-cancer


# 16 United Kingdom: 253.5 deaths per 100,000 peopl
# 15 Finland: 255.4 deaths per 100,000 peopl
# 14 Sweden: 268.2 deaths per 100,000 peopl
# 12 France: 286.1 deaths per 100,000 peopl
# 11 Norway: 289.4 deaths per 100,000 peopl
# 10 Australia: 298.9 deaths per 100,000 peopl
# 9 United States: 321.9 deaths per 100,000 peopl
# 8 New Zealand: 327.3 deaths per 100


What about these that represent the bulk of health care costs?

Chronic Diseases and Conditions

* Arthritis
* Alzheimer's Disease and other Dementias
* Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease (COPD)
* Cystic Fibrosis
* Diabetes
* Eating Disorders
* End Stage Renal Disease
* Heart Disease
* Obesity
* Oral Health
* Osteoporosis
* Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy (RSD) Syndrome
* Tobacco Use and Related Conditions

I listed overall costs, outcomes and mortality rates.
You can cherry pick all you want to try and make your case. Does not change the overall picture from the sources I quoted.
The CIA, CDC, and WHO.

OK hcap, what about for example obesity, smoking and eating disorders that you listed above. How the hell does putting more smokers and obese people on the health care roles help our situation? You tell me. These have nothing to do with health insurance, they are personal and life choice problems that need to be corrected. Sorry, smokers should pay more. So should many others that choose to destroy their own health. Yeah I cherry picked, you picked infant mortality rates. And you can cherry pick all you want, but what I posted about the cancer rates for men in Europe is absolutely pathetic. It's actually pretty scary and alarming in fact. We beat Canada in those categories as well. Health insurance is for these situations, not headaches.

[Tom]

So hiccups, even you must agree, the Obama bill will do nothing to improve health care - it will only make it harder to get and less effective.

[JustRalph]

Jack Kennedy....oh, you mean that guy who cheated on Jackie and had his own Dr Demento following him around with his little case of drugs, right next to the guy with "fooball?" The guy who had one finger on the button and another one on a cotton swab?

That Jack Kennedy?

Ding Ding Ding!!! Yep, don't forget the 19 yr old Sucretary that followed him around also........ she had one job and one job only. Dicktation