So The Healthcare Bill Will Be Repealed?

[NJ Stinks]

And it will be repealed.

One thing is for sure IMO. It won't be repealed before at least 2013. A two-thirds majority vote by the House and the Senate is required to override a presidential veto. Somehow I think Obama will veto any bill presented to him that repeals this healthcare reform and the votes will not be there to override his presidential veto.

We'll see how things play out between now and 2012.

[JustRalph]

Only Parts of it..........By John Roberts and Anthony Scalia

[prospector]

we'll see what gets knocked out in the senate..
the biggest losers as i see it are the house dems...the people who are maddest are those who actually vote..

[ceejay]

Only Parts of it..........By John Roberts and Anthony Scalia
Activist court in action, legislating from the bench.

[Tom]

Nope. Going by the constitution.
Illegal legislation from the Congress must be struck down.
This bill is illegal.

[Robert Goren]

I am truely amased that I woke up this morning. I was sure that the world was going to end after the health care bill passed. Anyway, that what I keep reading on this board.:rolleyes:

[Tom]

The fuse has been lit.
You might want to stock up on your meds while you can.
And fer God's sake, stay healthy. :eek:

[ceejay]

Nope. Going by the constitution.
Illegal legislation from the Congress must be struck down.
This bill is illegal.
The Congress shall have power to ...
To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;

http://topics.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articlei#section8

[BenDiesel26]

http://topics.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articlei#section8

"Regulating" and "requiring" do not mean the same thing.

[46zilzal]

I am truely amased that I woke up this morning. I was sure that the world was going to end after the health care bill passed. Anyway, that what I keep reading on this board.:Go back and visit news of the time of Medicare or the legislation on Equal rights....."the sky is falling!!!"

[BenDiesel26]

Go back and visit news of the time of Medicare or the legislation on Equal rights....."the sky is falling!!!"

Medicare is currently $89 trillion dollars (that's unfunded liabilities) in the hole and set to go bankrupt within the next eight years. That's more than 6 times the current national debt.

[jognlope]

The sky's going to fall. People still think it's a public run program and dont' realize that me and the rest will pay premiums, with help from the govt if you're under certain income limits. People are so stingy they are willing for 100s of thousands to die, premiums to go way over the Empire state building, just so they don't have to pay a little extra tax. Pathetic. And just so they can rant.

So go down and buy some insurance stock, you'll get back your tax many times over, okay?

[46zilzal]

Medicare is currently $89 trillion dollars (that's unfunded liabilities) in the hole and set to go bankrupt within the next eight years. That's more than 6 times the current national debt.
So is the entire US economy..........Sell off your manufacturing and service sectors produce NOTHING and what will happen over time?

China must be salivating waiting to cash in on their investment

[boxcar]

The fuse has been lit.
You might want to stock up on your meds while you can.
And fer God's sake, stay healthy. :eek:

Not only them but vitamins and supplements, too, if S.3002 gets passed. It seems there's not an area in our personal lives that this fascist-oriented government doesn't want to control or regulate. They insist on dictating to us what we can and can't do, what we can put in our bodies, what we can't. What we can eat, what we can't. What we can drink, what we can't. But...having said this, I'm still elated that this is Amerika because the state allows a woman to make choices over that part of her anatomy where her reproductive organs are located. We're still a free people. :rolleyes:

Boxcar

[Robert Goren]

Medicare is currently $89 trillion dollars (that's unfunded liabilities) in the hole and set to go bankrupt within the next eight years. That's more than 6 times the current national debt.They have been saying medicare is going bankrupt in eight years for at least 20 years.;)

[Steve 'StatMan']

It won't truly 'save lives' although it will likely postpone a number of deaths and make those longer lives a bit less miserable. But it is also at a huge cost to businesses which will cost people (and I fear, me) jobs, and cause the price of products to go up to pay for the health plans. It will be far more expensive than a well-thought out solution, we're talking in the hundreds of billions each and every year, for hope for 16 to 32 million Americans (and I understand a LOT of illegals).

[Tom]

People are so stingy they are willing for 100s of thousands to die,

Grow up. that whine is ridiculous.

[BenDiesel26]

The sky's going to fall. People still think it's a public run program and dont' realize that me and the rest will pay premiums, with help from the govt if you're under certain income limits. People are so stingy they are willing for 100s of thousands to die, premiums to go way over the Empire state building, just so they don't have to pay a little extra tax. Pathetic. And just so they can rant.

So go down and buy some insurance stock, you'll get back your tax many times over, okay?

It will be public run. They are going to vote on a public option within the next couple of months. Harry Reid stated this last week. This was a way to get the foot in the door. Anybody who can't see the Obama agenda either is blind or simply not looking. He is on record during his campaign speaking about how the transition to single payer doesn't happen over night. Several other congressman have been saying this for the past three months. They are telling you what they are doing. Open up your ears.

100's of thousands to die--sorry but that's a bullshit number. Show me a journal article that says so. Premiums will go up for many people--this plan does not bend the cost curve down. And lower premiums due to government subsidies don't curb deficit spending. The subsidies are still taxpayer funded. The CBO numbers are well documented gimmicks that Obama himself could not refute when confronted with the numbers. 16 million will go on medicaid. This was all about having more people sucking from the teet of mother government. More than 10000 new IRS employees will be hired. And guess what, most benefits won't even kick in until 2014, taxes start now. It's a disaster. Pre-existing conditions, healthcare for children, etc. that's all good stuff. But explain to us what's in the other 2600 pages.

[BenDiesel26]

So is the entire US economy..........Sell off your manufacturing and service sectors produce NOTHING and what will happen over time?

China must be salivating waiting to cash in on their investment

If the US falls most of the rest of the world falls there 46, including CANADA, China and the whole European Union. Sorry but that's a fact. China won't play their "trump card" as you call it because we are the ones that buy all their products. We have them by the balls just as much as they have us by the balls. As much as you hate the US (I don't know if you couldn't get licensed here or what), we are still the richest nation in the world. Only difference between us and China is we are going in different directions--Hong Kong with free market capitalism, us the opposite.

And by the way--the economy is in trouble because of unfunded entitlements--medicare and social security, our so-called landmark social programs. Add in social security and you are now up to $107 trillion in unfunded liabilities. History never fails.

[46zilzal]

It won't truly 'save lives' although it will likely postpone a number of deaths and make those longer lives a bit less miserable. But it is also at a huge cost to businesses which will cost people (and I fear, me) jobs, and cause the price of products to go up to pay for the health plans. It will be far more expensive than a well-thought out solution, we're talking in the hundreds of billions each and every year, for hope for 16 to 32 million Americans (and I understand a LOT of illegals).


Exactly like the males who are such rabid anti-abortionists and of course will never know what that is like, I just love to hear people with little to no medical experience ramble on.........like two week rookies at the track telling me how to handicap

[46zilzal]

If the US falls most of the rest of the world falls there 46, including CANADA, China and the whole European Union. Sorry but that's a fact.
Everyone is very aware of that, it is just stupidity raised to the level of acceptance that is mind boggling.

[johnhannibalsmith]

46Z: The fact that you can blowhard a bunch of medical terminology makes you no better equipped to opine on legislation or constitutionality than anyone else. Stay within your realm of "expertise".

[BenDiesel26]

Everyone is very aware of that, it is just stupidity raised to the level of acceptance that is mind boggling.

You're right. It's like that everywhere. People here are very much becoming more aware of what those in power are doing. This includes Obama and politicians, and investment banking. Sorry, but they are in it together. It's all about control--and it's not just here. And if that is going to change, it will happen here also. People in the other countries are too far gone. We were left with the power as a people to stop what has been going on here for a long time, to throw the people out with no violence. Eventually, it will be used. I just doubt I will ever see it.

[46zilzal]

46Z: The fact that you can blowhard a bunch of medical terminology makes you no better equipped to opine on legislation or constitutionality than anyone else. Stay within your realm of "expertise".
I can understand, like few here, what it is to deal with patients directly and with 30 years in a national health care system, I can vouch that it works.

[BenDiesel26]

I can understand, like few here, what it is to deal with patients directly and with 30 years in a national health care system, I can vouch that it works.

From what you've said here, Canada does not have a national health care system, it's provincial I thought. I thought this was why the leader from Newfoundland came to the United States. You told us he was not allowed to go to your province to get heart surgery. Right? That's not universal health care.

[johnhannibalsmith]

I really look forward to the challenges to the particulars of the bill. Pundits have had great fun using the bill to paint a picture, but the justices will be the ultimate deciders of what this really means to our nation.

I am convinced that both sides can probably make a plausible case for the bill's constitutionality or unconstitutionality; it will be very interesting to see whether the justices agree that particulars of the bill are allowable under the Fed's right to tax.

Affirming the legality of an individual mandate, among other things, will be a precedent that could potentially alter our lives as citizens and I'm not entirely sold that those in the highest court are going to wish to set that game-changing precedent.

[johnhannibalsmith]

I can understand, like few here, what it is to deal with patients directly and with 30 years in a national health care system, I can vouch that it works.

Well what does that have to do with what Steve posted?

The bulk of his post dealt with the economics of it, which certainly you can't believe is a black and white issue that translates directly to Canda's system.

[JustRalph]

"Regulating" and "requiring" do not mean the same thing.


exactly right............. :ThmbUp:

[JustRalph]

The sky's going to fall. People still think it's a public run program and dont' realize that me and the rest will pay premiums, with help from the govt if you're under certain income limits. People are so stingy they are willing for 100s of thousands to die, premiums to go way over the Empire state building, just so they don't have to pay a little extra tax. Pathetic. And just so they can rant.

So go down and buy some insurance stock, you'll get back your tax many times over, okay?


Where is it written that I should pay for your healthcare?

[Robert Goren]

Where is it written that I should pay for your healthcare? H.R. 3962

[Steve 'StatMan']

Exactly like the males who are such rabid anti-abortionists and of course will never know what that is like, I just love to hear people with little to no medical experience ramble on.........like two week rookies at the track telling me how to handicap

As usual, you don't know dick, dick. Employers facing higher costs for their employees will cut jobs. Small businesses like I work for will replace employees with independent contractors to avoid the costs. There is already over 10% unemployment in this country - not the one you live in - that's going to make it harder for people to find a job, let alone a 2nd one to pay the extra taxes and/or mandatory insurance.

Lots of small businesses are barely profitable, sometimes just keep an kind, wealthy people something to do or continue enjoying what they do. Me keeping my dream job might seriously depend on my turning independent contractor like my coworkers so they can avoid the expense (they hinted at this years ago withouth the health care bill), and pay for the mandatory insurance on my own (I currently have no coverage), or lose the job and then have no income plus in a tight job market plus have to pay for mandatory insurance.

And P.S. What the hell does my concerns and problems have to do with abortinons!!!!! Jackass!!!!

Everybody dies eventually!!! We don't get out of life alive!
We can only prolong life.

[Tom]

Exactly like the males who are such rabid anti-abortionists and of course will never know what that is like, I just love to hear people with little to no medical experience ramble on.........like two week rookies at the track telling me how to handicap

Abortion is not medicine- it is murder.

[Tom]

46Z: The fact that you can blowhard a bunch of medical terminology makes you no better equipped to opine on legislation or constitutionality than anyone else. Stay within your realm of "expertise".
That appears to be limited to bet the early horse...but then he doesn't know what an early horse is. :lol:

[Tom]

I can understand, like few here, what it is to deal with patients directly and with 30 years in a national health care system, I can vouch that it works.

On every Greyhound bus, there is a big mouth jerk who smell bad.
If you ride the bus and don't see him...........

[Greyfox]

From what you've said here, Canada does not have a national health care system, it's provincial I thought. I thought this was why the leader from Newfoundland came to the United States. You told us he was not allowed to go to your province to get heart surgery. Right? That's not universal health care.

In Canada the principles of Health Care are laid out by the Federal Government and administered by the Provinces.
Medical plans are honored province to province.
The Premier of Newfoundland required a specialist that was only available elsewhere in Canada and the United States, but not in Newfoundland which is a "rock" in the Atlantic. As such specialists are hard to attract there.
If he had opted for Canada, he would have had to stand in line like every other citizen.
By going to the United States and forking out cash he was able to queue jump.

[Steve 'StatMan']

On every Greyhound bus, there is a big mouth jerk who smell bad.
If you ride the bus and don't see him...........

I'll be on the lookout for him next week. I'll shower so if it's me, I won't be so bad.

[Secretariat]

Abortion is not medicine- it is murder.

Tom,

According to our civil law it is not. In fact it is legal. You may have moral feelings about it, but it is currently not considered murder by law.

[boxcar]

Abortion is not medicine- it is murder.

You'd think that with all his gazillion years worth of medical experience, he would be able to distinguish between life and death -- between the preservation of live and murder. World views really do count the most and influence our thinking more than any other aspect to life. We are what we believe.

Boxcar

[JustRalph]

H.R. 3962

I was waiting for that............ :lol:

[boxcar]

Tom,

According to our civil law it is not. In fact it is legal. You may have moral feelings about it, but it is currently not considered murder by law.

Only because the law is immoral -- written by immoral people. Garbage in, garbage out.

Boxcar

[delayjf]

On every Greyhound bus, there is a big mouth jerk who smell bad.
Man, that brings up a bad memory. They had a sign asking people not to take off their shoes. They should have posted one for not blowing it out your ass - I couldn't taste food for a week.

Thanks Tom :D

[PaceAdvantage]

The sky's going to fall. People still think it's a public run program and dont' realize that me and the rest will pay premiums, with help from the govt if you're under certain income limits. People are so stingy they are willing for 100s of thousands to die, premiums to go way over the Empire state building, just so they don't have to pay a little extra tax. Pathetic. And just so they can rant.

So go down and buy some insurance stock, you'll get back your tax many times over, okay?Please...educate yourself on the situation. The lies you just regurgitated are comical.