More people care abt Murray St hoops than do the FLA Derby

[Foolish Pleasure]

It is just a ridiculous thing,
in an action junkie society that something as exciting as the last two minutes of any of these games can be universally cast aside. Something like horse racing that appealled to one of if not the broadest audiences of any sport now appeals to hardly anyone.

It is a joke.

US Horse Racing Industry one of the most poorly run industries in the history of mankind and shows graphic evidence of the incompetence that ensues heavy handed government influence like gambling being a state set aside industry where the tracks with no competition for 120yrs-somehow these live off the tits of gov't idiots -are now supposed to compete with gambling coming out of every orifice of society.

Recipe for failure, the day will come when these tracks are turned over to competent people and slot machines will be so pervasive that the novelty of the race track will return despite the gross damage done by the stewards of the sport in recent years.

[46zilzal]

I keep telling people who want to understand some of the reasons why, to read Headless Horsemen by Jim Squires.

http://sidfernando.wordpress.com/2009/07/27/jim-squires-new-book-headless-horsemen-cuts-to-chase/

[TizTheOne]

It is just a ridiculous thing,
in an action junkie society that something as exciting as the last two minutes of any of these games can be universally cast aside. Something like horse racing that appealled to one of if not the broadest audiences of any sport now appeals to hardly anyone.

It is a joke.

US Horse Racing Industry one of the most poorly run industries in the history of mankind and shows graphic evidence of the incompetence that ensues heavy handed government influence like gambling being a state set aside industry where the tracks with no competition for 120yrs-somehow these live off the tits of gov't idiots -are now supposed to compete with gambling coming out of every orifice of society.

Recipe for failure, the day will come when these tracks are turned over to competent people and slot machines will be so pervasive that the novelty of the race track will return despite the gross damage done by the stewards of the sport in recent years.

Horse racing needs a commissioner and Satish Sanan would be my choice.

[tzipi]

It is just a ridiculous thing,
in an action junkie society that something as exciting as the last two minutes of any of these games can be universally cast aside. Something like horse racing that appealled to one of if not the broadest audiences of any sport now appeals to hardly anyone.

It is a joke.

Horse racing was huge when it was one off the very few legal gambling outlets around. Now there's TONS of them. Say Greyhound racing was one of just two legal gambling games right now. Greyhound racing would be HUGE TODAY. People enjoy the pools,the excitment,gambling, etc of March madness.
If I wrote it was a joke you watch horses over Jai Alai,poker or dog races somewhere, you wouldn't care. Racing has had it's time. Everyone knows about it. They just do not like the game. Hey, I wish they did! But they don't.

[Foolish Pleasure]

IT is institutional brainwashing. The comparisons to fringe sports like dog racing and jai alai are hilarious-why not compare it to the NBA which was on it's last legs until Magic and Bird showed up?

instead the younger people would prefer to play poker which is 95% folding or incredible boredom.

It is a joke. They have spent generations of ad money lobbying for slots,
they have crapped on players heads from coast to coast for decades,

the decline in racing handle closely resembles the decline in Nevada and Northeast casino gaming.


So even the idea that the sport is done is a misnomer-

this is rampant brainwashing by the same executives who led the sport to where it is now.



There is no reason whatsover with an aging population that loves to gamble that any gaming enterprise should be facing a bleak future. IT is ludicrous, the sport gains immensly from the HD technology, from the monopoly with the online gambling from a million and one things-there is no rational reason why racing should not be succeeding.


Why is the NCAA BB tourney so popular? Because we live in an action junkie society-this was not the case in the 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's-gambling was a deviant activity for the most part-now it is mainstream-somehow the world got into gambling and passed racing by?

Why? because there was nothing to see there while they blew all the money trying to get the machines and not get the players.

[tzipi]

IT is institutional brainwashing. The comparisons to fringe sports like dog racing and jai alai are hilarious-why not compare it to the NBA which was on it's last legs until Magic and Bird showed up?

instead the younger people would prefer to play poker which is 95% folding or incredible boredom.

It is a joke. They have spent generations of ad money lobbying for slots,
they have crapped on players heads from coast to coast for decades,

the decline in racing handle closely resembles the decline in Nevada and Northeast casino gaming.


So even the idea that the sport is done is a misnomer-

this is rampant brainwashing by the same executives who led the sport to where it is now.



There is no reason whatsover with an aging population that loves to gamble that any gaming enterprise should be facing a bleak future. IT is ludicrous, the sport gains immensly from the HD technology, from the monopoly with the online gambling from a million and one things yet listen t

No, you telling people the sports and games that they ENJOY are dumb and stupid, is ridiculous! "95% of poker is folding and boredom" Hey, they FEEL the same way about your sport I guess. Poker outkicks racing bigtime in youth,ammount of players and ratings. I guess you would call chess boring as hell too and stupid that people play it.

Hey maybe these young people and some older people dont want to bet on 95% of the races that are just claimers taking turns beating eachother at different odds every race.
I just enjoyed St. Marys beat Villanova in a awesome upset. What a shock I enjoyed myself.

"this is rampant brainwashing" No, we and other people can think for ourselves FP. You ever think most people played these sports as kids and can relate. :rolleyes: Who the hell was a jockey?

[InsideThePylons-MW]

Horse racing needs a commissioner and Satish Sanan would be my choice.

You mean the guy that has publically stated Fred Pope is a genius?

He'd be a great selection!

[Foolish Pleasure]

tzipi nobody goes to the track for the first time and is not in awe.
nobody- not the 7yo kid, not the 90yo grandmother.
there is nothing outdated about the sport of horse racing,


the idea that less people live on farms blah, blah that idiots blog entry last month trying to tell me Nascar took all the fans because everyone now owns a car is ludicrous.

young crowd likes instant gratification and stat related stuff like fantasy sports,
racing is a perfect fit.





the idea that is loses to idiotic machines,
things boring as hell like poker,
and anything else remotely similar is incredibly ludicrous.


the idea that I am the only person that seems to realize any of this may be the single most ludicrous thing of all.



Why does poker outkick everybody? A large reason is because the online poker model involving affiliates saw the affiliates drag in millions of customers, Ruth Parasol did not become a billionaire off party poker because there is anything special about the game, her site or anything else-she became one because she replicated the porn industry affiliate model in poker. aka spread the money around thickly and business is sure to follow.


Instead racing has no idea how to take advantage of the internet-they overpaying their distributors and getting squat in return.

[OTM Al]

More was bet on the tournement.

[Tom]

Racing is very popular.....as long as there is nothing else going on. :rolleyes:

[Charlie D]

Had to watch an excellent race from Florida on internet today.


Is there any wonder people show no or little interest in this Great Game.

[Foolish Pleasure]

I would guess that would be the abortion that was TVG and the FLA DERBY.

This is perpetual self inflicted damage-it is just an incredible thing,
think they can't possibly screw things up anymore,

yet they do.

and they have the audacity to throw their hands in the air and proclaim sorry that is just the way it is.

[Charlie D]

attheraces not allowed to show Gulfstream Phantom, so had to rely on NTRA feed.


A cracking race imho that should have been available on big screen in every front room, den or whatever, but try telling that to those that run sport.

[Foolish Pleasure]

TVG apparently showed the announcer and not the FLA DERBY itself. I am not a TVG person so I didn't see it myself.

it is all the same, self inficted damage.

[1GCFAN]

Says somthing about horse racing when I called to cancel my Time Warner because they don't have TVG. The retention specialist asked what is TVG? They of 500 channels don't have room for it.

[Stillriledup]

It is just a ridiculous thing,
in an action junkie society that something as exciting as the last two minutes of any of these games can be universally cast aside. Something like horse racing that appealled to one of if not the broadest audiences of any sport now appeals to hardly anyone.

It is a joke.

US Horse Racing Industry one of the most poorly run industries in the history of mankind and shows graphic evidence of the incompetence that ensues heavy handed government influence like gambling being a state set aside industry where the tracks with no competition for 120yrs-somehow these live off the tits of gov't idiots -are now supposed to compete with gambling coming out of every orifice of society.

Recipe for failure, the day will come when these tracks are turned over to competent people and slot machines will be so pervasive that the novelty of the race track will return despite the gross damage done by the stewards of the sport in recent years.


People seem to get more exitement out of betting on 9 to 10 shots (risk 110 to win 100) than they do betting a pair of 20-1's with the chance to win hundreds and thousands for a 2 dollar wager.

Go figure.

[OTM Al]

TVG apparently showed the announcer and not the FLA DERBY itself. I am not a TVG person so I didn't see it myself.

it is all the same, self inficted damage.

That's because they can't show it until it's official, which they did. Best they are allowed to do and I think it's a creative solution. Guess no one remembers listening to sports on the radio.....

[jballscalls]

by the way, poker business is way down, down more than horse racing, at least in our neck of the woods. My mom's poker room is down something like 30% or more, and her's has been the largest non tribal poker room in washington for 20 years.

[tzipi]

by the way, poker business is way down, down more than horse racing, at least in our neck of the woods. My mom's poker room is down something like 30% or more, and her's has been the largest non tribal poker room in washington for 20 years.

Well poker rooms in the city are always packed when I'm there. When I goto Atlantic City the rooms are always packed and poker is still on numerous channels during the week. I don't see where it's, "way down"

[tzipi]

tzipi nobody goes to the track for the first time and is not in awe.
nobody- not the 7yo kid, not the 90yo grandmother.
there is nothing outdated about the sport of horse racing,


the idea that less people live on farms blah, blah that idiots blog entry last month trying to tell me Nascar took all the fans because everyone now owns a car is ludicrous.

young crowd likes instant gratification and stat related stuff like fantasy sports,
racing is a perfect fit.





the idea that is loses to idiotic machines,
things boring as hell like poker,
and anything else remotely similar is incredibly ludicrous.


the idea that I am the only person that seems to realize any of this may be the single most ludicrous thing of all.



Why does poker outkick everybody? A large reason is because the online poker model involving affiliates saw the affiliates drag in millions of customers, Ruth Parasol did not become a billionaire off party poker because there is anything special about the game, her site or anything else-she became one because she replicated the porn industry affiliate model in poker. aka spread the money around thickly and business is sure to follow.


Instead racing has no idea how to take advantage of the internet-they overpaying their distributors and getting squat in return.


You don't get it. You sit here and call poker,basketball,etc boring and stupid to watch compared to racing! Who the heck are you. You want me to sit here and say nothing when you just trash games I enjoy as boring and dumb?? What if I said, hey FP you horse racing is dumb and boring! You'd be all up in arms. Ridiculous.

"Everyone is in awe of the track when they go" Ok Foolish Pleasure you know everybody and what they think. I had people go and enjoy but not be in "awe"

"Poker is boring as hell" Yeah Foolish pleasure what about people who say horse racing is boring as hell. You watch horses go around a track for a minute then have to wait almost 30 min for the next race. Poker players don't have to wait 30 min to play hands.

"Loses to idiotic machines" Wake up. 90% of slot players are older women. Where do you see slot machines dominated by young men and women?? Older people goto the racinos to play slots. If thats what older people enjoy, than that's what they enjoy. They can sit at machines for a long time and make a few buck. Slots are designed to keep players going. Racing is not.

Hey Fooloish pleasure you say "stats". What fantasy stats? Horses run once in a blue moon unless they are $7,500-12,000 claimers. You have no idea what you're talking about. Hey people can follow their stars for years. Your sport retires 95% their stars after one year of running. Good job :rolleyes:

Poker is not all internet. But I'm not surprised you don't know that after your posts on this thread. Too bad FP. Too bad racing doesn't do as good as basketball,poker,Nascar and whatever else you complaining about. ALONG with racing I enjoy Nascar,college basketball,poker and other sports and games. What I HATE is people like you trashing the games as boring,stupid,dumb etc because you're pissed at racings problems and because it's not 1940 and racing is one of the ONLY legal gambling games for people to flock to.


I love the game and enjoy it but this is from you trashing other games I enjoy as, "stupid and boring games/sports". Racing has been around forever,the people including youth has played it. If it was SO exciting,profitable,etc as other games/sports they watched or played,they would be there. They are not. So whatever keep coming back and talking how racing is the most profitable, most exciting,etc,etc game out there and everything else is dumb and for idiots.

[jballscalls]

Well poker rooms in the city are always packed when I'm there. When I goto Atlantic City the rooms are always packed and poker is still on numerous channels during the week. I don't see where it's, "way down"

it's way down where it matters to the businesses, in the numbers!

all the poker rooms and casinos in our state are down across the board, so either the game isn't as popular or the economy is bad. And i know we can't blame the economy, cause everytime handle was down, people here said it was due to mismanagement and takeout, so the game surely is losing popularity

[tzipi]

it's way down where it matters to the businesses, in the numbers!

all the poker rooms and casinos in our state are down across the board, so either the game isn't as popular or the economy is bad. And i know we can't blame the economy, cause everytime handle was down, people here said it was due to mismanagement and takeout, so the game surely is losing popularity

Where do you live? What casino? I don't see it down at all on tv or in live games.
You said "all the poker rooms and casinos in my state are down" So it's not poker. You're saying your casino on the whole is down. So why just say poker is down and losing its popularity?

Plus I'm not here trashing racing. I mean yeah it seems outdated to most people but I love it. I'm here because I'm mad at the poster trashing all other games, some of which I enjoy very much as, "stupid and boring games". that's just ridiculous. Now its everyother games fault that racing is down to him. Unbelievable.

[RXB]

People seem to get more exitement out of betting on 9 to 10 shots (risk 110 to win 100) than they do betting a pair of 20-1's with the chance to win hundreds and thousands for a 2 dollar wager.

Go figure.

People probably prefer to lose 5% of their money over the long haul rather than 20%.

[Robert Goren]

The thing about NCAA hoops is unless you are one of the few people who attend games for your local team, nobody cares cares anything about it except for 3 weeks in march. It is a lot like horse racing. Very few people care anything about it about except at derby time.

[jballscalls]

Where do you live? What casino? I don't see it down at all on tv or in live games.
You said "all the poker rooms and casinos in my state are down" So it's not poker. You're saying your casino on the whole is down. So why just say poker is down and losing its popularity?

.

i live in Oregon, grew up in Seattle area. My mom owns a casino and a poker room (2 seperate businesses) in the seattle area, and the poker room, Diamond Lil's, has always been the top non tribal POKER room in the state. Her rake is down somewhere near 30% from 2 years ago when the poker boom started to decelerate. She goes around to every poker room in the area atleast once a month to see what other places are doing, and said to a t, each one has less games and players than they did a year or two ago. many have gone under.

The WSOP main event peaked in 2006, then saw a 25% reduction in players the next year, a slight bump in 08, but was back down 350 players in 09.

The WPT championships, same thing, winners payout was just over half of what it was a couple of years ago.

Bellagio used to have 30 tables in their main room, they took out 7 of them and their poker numbers are down from last year. by taking out the tables that were no longer necessary, makes the room seem more packed and business great, better than coming in and seeing a big section of empty tables.

[bdownes]

Robert. CBS pays the NCAA 6 BILLION dollars over 11 years to show the tourney. Tracks have to pay the networks (vast majority of time) to show horse racing.

[jballscalls]

Robert. CBS pays the NCAA 6 BILLION dollars over 11 years to show the tourney. Tracks have to pay the networks (vast majority of time) to show horse racing.

I can't remember the last time i watched a college basketball game, but that being said, the tournament is one of, if not the best sporting events in our country. It's phenominally successful.

great point Bill

[Foolish Pleasure]

tzipi you are lying.

I play poker in AC too they are not packed far from it,
in fact their business is off MORE THAN THE TRACKS.
They have cancelled events-last time WPT was at Borg was when exactly?
How many WSOP circuit events were cancelled at Ceasars from lack of interest.


Lie distort whatever, you brainwashed by the industry into complete and total nonsense. Society took up gambling and just passed racing by for the most part-it is ludicrous.


IT is not a matter of my subjective opinion-it is obvious as the sky is blue,
there is NO REASON ON PLANET EARTH BEYOND INCOMPETENT LEADERSHIP THAT HORSE RACING SHOULD BE SUFFERING.


Tell me in another 1000words how jai alai, slot machines poker and any other idiotic thing is more exciting and somehow analagous to racing.


:bang: :bang: :bang:

[Foolish Pleasure]

Hollywood not suffering in the recession-someone called that around here by the way.

This despite can rent movies from homeless people at this point,
get a million cable channels, have on demand with hundreds of movies,
have links where can watch current releases online completely free-illegally obviously.

But the box offices have done well in this recession.






Like racing figured to do, people look for cheap forms of entertainment when money gets tight,
plus when things go bad they like activities that bring them to their past when times were better.


That is largely why racing was recession proof in the past-

somehow Hollywood caught the bus this time around with box office receipts higher than previously-while horse racing completely missed it.


:bang: :bang: :bang:

[Foolish Pleasure]

People probably prefer to lose 5% of their money over the long haul rather than 20%.


Because of the variance associated with more than two outcomes,
there is a much greater chance they going to lose that 5% vs the 20% associated with thousands of potential outcomes at the racetrack.


The comical thing to me is, make the takeout 5%-it is not changing the results. THe part time player is not suddenly going to be able to beat the full time player.

This idea that a player who is currently beating the takeout but not winning,
lets say -4% for the sake of argument will now be a 1% winner if they just reduce the takeout 5% -it doesn't work that way. These numbers are more than just a number on a page.

[Stillriledup]

People probably prefer to lose 5% of their money over the long haul rather than 20%.

I don't think that's it. The problem is that its not really 5% vs 20% only because the 5% is a fixed percentage and you have no change to 'exploit' market inefficiencies in order to 'chop down' that percentage. With racing, you can make wagers (like carryovers) that actually have PUT BACK and not a takeout. If these people who prefer to lose 5% as opposed to 20% only wagered into carryover pools, they're making a better financial decision, a much better decision actually.

[tzipi]

tzipi you are lying.

I play poker in AC too they are not packed far from it,
in fact their business is off MORE THAN THE TRACKS.
They have cancelled events-last time WPT was at Borg was when exactly?
How many WSOP circuit events were cancelled at Ceasars from lack of interest.


Lie distort whatever, you brainwashed by the industry into complete and total nonsense. Society took up gambling and just passed racing by for the most part-it is ludicrous.


IT is not a matter of my subjective opinion-it is obvious as the sky is blue,
there is NO REASON ON PLANET EARTH BEYOND INCOMPETENT LEADERSHIP THAT HORSE RACING SHOULD BE SUFFERING.


Tell me in another 1000words how jai alai, slot machines poker and any other idiotic thing is more exciting and somehow analagous to racing.


:bang: :bang: :bang:

Give it rest! You sit an trash other games people enjoy because your sport is down. I see poker ALL over tv and in casinos while I'm playing.

"Im brainwashed by the industry" I'm brainwashed because I enjoy poker(do well for myself) and basketball??? You're a absolute FOOL and you would never say that to my face. You sit on this board and say I don't have a mind of my own! You don't even know me. You're brainwashed into your thinking that people should be all over your sport when they have tried and don't like it. Keep trashing everyone elses enjoyments. You really accomplished alot here :rolleyes:

I said SOME PEOPLE(older people and women) LIKE SLOTS!. I never said I did. Learn how to read a post. :bang: :bang: You couldn't make a normal post talking about racing and it's enjoyments. You could only sit here and TRASH sports/games other people enjoy and call them stupid and brainwashed. Keep losing races. I hope you NEVER run horse racing. :rolleyes:

[tzipi]

By the way FOOLISH PLEASURE. You're what's WRONG with horse racing. Your genius idea to sway people to horses is to trash their games the enjoy and call them stupid and brainwashed. :bang:
I hope someone does it to you. I'm sure you'll take it lightly and switch over to their game. :rolleyes:.
Your trashing and way you say I don't have a mind of my own when you don't even know me, actually makes wants me to LEAVE the game. Way to piss off a big fan of racing.

[Foolish Pleasure]

For sure slots and poker are a ball,

would be why when one goes to a casino they see nothing but happy people having a damn fine exciting time.

maybe when you done figuring out the AC poker rooms are really dead,

you can ck out the actual slot and poker player's demeanor, facial expressions and body language-compare that to the people live at MON and report back who is obviously to even the biggest idiot on planet earth having the better more exciting time.



To suggest otherwise then make 5000 word posts on why the sky really isn't blue is just ridiculous.

[tzipi]

Foolish you are a fool! You nothing but a messageboard bully who cringes in real life and would never speak like this.
Go cry somewhere else that poker is not all over tv and that every casino poker room is empty.

Call me a brainwashed idiot to my face. I enjoy and do VERY well at poker. SO I should quit for you?? :bang: I will continue to do so and not listen to your absoulute crap about me being and idiot and brainwashed. Go lose another race and cry in the corner about racing being nowhere on tv or elsewhere. Now stop, I'm watching poker on national tv.



Hi, I am Foolish Pleasure and my way to get you people to come over to racing is to start posts trashing you,your games you enjoy and call you a brainwashed fool. God, you must be a... nevermind.

[Foolish Pleasure]

That is the whole point!


I am a total idiotic moronic imbecile like fool and I get it,

yet rocket scientists/brain surgeons such as youself can't.


:bang: :bang: :bang:


and BTW i speak my mind anywhere I am allowed,
you wanna delude yourself otherwise feel free.
I am too stupid to know any better.

[tzipi]

That is the whole point!


I am a total idiotic moronic imbecile like fool and I get it,

yet rocket scientists/brain surgeons such as youself can't.


:bang: :bang: :bang:


and BTW i speak my mind anywhere I am allowed,
you wanna delude yourself otherwise feel free.
I am too stupid to know any better.

You called me and other people who enjoy other sports/games too names. Not the otherway around there pal.
You are stupid for trashing people you don't know. You think everyone should play horse racing and that other SUCCESSFUL games they enjoy are dumb and for idiots?

Your idea of swaying them over to horses is to trash their games/sports, and call them brainwashed morons. How smart can you be? :bang: And no you wouldn't speak your mind and call me a "brainwashed fool" in person for liking poker/NCAA basketball/etc. So you would go up to a racing fan and trash them in public for liking more than just horse racing? Jerk.
How old are you?

[chickenhead]

The comical thing to me is, make the takeout 5%-it is not changing the results. THe part time player is not suddenly going to be able to beat the full time player.

This idea that a player who is currently beating the takeout but not winning,
lets say -4% for the sake of argument will now be a 1% winner if they just reduce the takeout 5% -it doesn't work that way. These numbers are more than just a number on a page.

I agree that is basically how it works, it doesn't most likely change things in a way a lot of people think, but it still changes a lot of things for players. If we take a guy losing the take at 20%, he'll now be losing the take at 5%. If he takes $100 to the track, he can on average churn $2,000 instead of $500 (or whatever, I'm too lazy to think about it right now) before he goes home empty handed. He has a much better time losing his money. I mean, we talk about slots and how goofy they are, but this is a large part of why people like them.

If you take a guy losing 5% now, and say after a 20% to 5% cut, he is only losing say 1%, same goes for him. At least he maybe allows himself more time to get better before quitting.

[toetoe]

It is a joke.





Vide my harness post regarding the 2010 debut of Lucky Jim. ESPN were busy showing poker, maybe even poker reruns. :lol: --- or do I mean :( ?



Say, haven't I read your blog, FP ?

[tzipi]

maybe when you done figuring out the AC poker rooms are really dead.

http://www.theborgata.com/Main.cfm?Category_1=3000&Category_2=3500&Category_3=3530

Funny the poker rooms are "empty" according to you but these tournmaments have hundreds, and some thousands of entrants. Listed on top of every results page. Yeah they are so empty that they also just had a 21 different game tournament that fill up. They have tons of entrants and that's just the Borgota casino poke. Keep making up lies. I don't sit alone at poker tables in the casinos. You obviously don't go or play and are just making up crap because you're pissed. You look foolish once again.

[Foolish Pleasure]

YEs I am stupid jerkoff fool.
can't change the mind of a fanatic.

lying, distorting, ad hom attacks, strawmen bullshit like people bored waiting for a race every 30mins when one goes off abt every 10mins, some stupid ass shit abt fantasy sports not being like racing when the similar appeal is obvious to an idiot like me-

everything beyond complaining to the mods for a deletion.
that is fanaticism.


btw 25 hands an hour live, folding 90% besides the blinds is 2.2 hands an hour and you complaining abt races going off every 30mins.


:bang: :bang: :bang:

[Foolish Pleasure]

They are empty fanatic.

I thought you played there, yet again it is obvious even to an idiot like me-so why can't you see it again?


I must have missed the last time the Borg hosted a WPT event and the actual number of WSOP circuit events Ceasar's cancelled in the last two years? Did you post them somewhere or instead post propaganda from the Borgata's own web site?


see the little blue line going downhill in 2006? THat is just abt 40% of AC's business gone in 4yrs-poker and slots must be dying faster than racing? Racing has only seen half that decline.

but AC poker rooms aren't empty-they are thriving right fanatic?


http://www.casinoenterprisemanagement.com/sites/default/files/images/articles/2010/March/Palermo_Chart1_0310.jpg

[tzipi]

YEs I am stupid jerkoff fool.
can't change the mind of a fanatic.

lying, distorting, ad hom attacks, strawmen bullshit like people bored waiting for a race every 30mins when one goes off abt every 10mins, some stupid ass shit abt fantasy sports not being like racing when the similar appeal is obvious to an idiot like me-

everything beyond complaining to the mods for a deletion.
that is fanaticism.


btw 25 hands an hour live, folding 90% besides the blinds is 2.2 hands an hour and you complaining abt races going off every 30mins.


:bang: :bang: :bang:

Man, I see now you're insane. I didn't complain about racing,I love it. Jesus. I said what people SAY! Learn to read. Goodbye. Go say poker rooms are empty while their attendance is posted on their AC/vegas sites.
Go curse,trash,spew at other people/horse fans you don't know because they say they also liek and enjoy other games/sports.

How'd this thread start? Oh yeah, how are more people watching the MARCH MADNESS games over the claiming races at Aqueduct,etc today. :rolleyes:

[GlenninOhio]

I think we get it.

FP - You think poker players are fools.

Tzipi - You think people who think poker players are fools are fools.

:sleeping:

[tzipi]

They are empty fanatic]

You're right I'm a horse racing fanatic. Jesus. I just posted AC poker attendances for their tournaments this year so far and you show a annual gaming grid. :rolleyes:

[tzipi]

I think we get it.

FP - You think poker players are fools.

Tzipi - You think people who think poker players are fools are fools.

:sleeping:

No he thinks poker,NCAA,slots,Nascar,etc,etc fans are fools. Not just poker. Look at the title of the thread.
I know teh convo is stupid. It's ridiculous. Just boils my blood this guy comes on here calling anyone who is watch or playing any other sports/games(not just poker)besides horses is a brainwashed fool who can't think for themselves. Doesn't even know anyone.
Yeah he's helping horses and getting people to come over to the sport. :D

[Foolish Pleasure]

Did you even look at your own link fanatic?

The big event is now $3300 instead of $10,000 why would that be?

They getting 500 players in the $1500 events when they have gotten 1500 before,

why would that be?


The number of playes is lower in every single event since they started hosting it and the entry fees are lower than ever-

but they not dying right fanatic?


SRO in Taj to a seat anytime you want anywhere really doesn't mean they dead-means something entirely different if one is a fanatic.

[Robert Goren]

Robert. CBS pays the NCAA 6 BILLION dollars over 11 years to show the tourney. Tracks have to pay the networks (vast majority of time) to show horse racing. And why do suppose that is. Could it have something to advertisers willing to buy time for the tourney and not wanting to buy time on a horse race. Find some advertisers for horse racing and the tracks will get paid too. JMO

[tzipi]

Did you even look at your own link fanatic?

The big event is now $3300 instead of $10,000 why would that be?

They getting 500 players in the $1500 events when they have gotten 1500 before,

why would that be?


The number of playes is lower in every single event since they started hosting it and the entry fees are lower than ever-

but they not dying right fanatic?


SRO in Taj to a seat anytime you want anywhere really doesn't mean they dead-means something entirely different if one is a fanatic.


Wow. Anyone just click on the Winter tournament and see the $100,000 and 2,000,000 gauranteed tournaments and their attendance. that's just one casino and only 2 tournaments out of many there. You Foolish are insane and a liar. Grow up. Goodbye.

[Foolish Pleasure]

fanatic-$10,000 entry fee and $5mill guarantee or $3300 for $2mill?
Plus they have raised the takeout, granted you a fanatic so you not even noticing this stuff, they have raised the takeout in the WSOP the last two years.






I have been posting here for 10yrs-you 6 months,
I have twenty thousand racing posts on the internet-you hundreds?

99% of the people who read here get it.


the 1% that don't are the fanatics-

over and out.

:bang: :bang: :bang:

[Robert Goren]

Anybody that doesn't think that poker wager is down doesn't play poker. You can agrue all day on why. For what it is worth, I think a lot of it has to do with Party Poker leaving the US market. Those people know a thing or to about marketing the game. JMO

[tzipi]

Anybody that doesn't think that poker wager is down doesn't play poker. You can agrue all day on why. For what it is worth, I think a lot of it has to do with Party Poker leaving the US market. Those people know a thing or to about marketing the game. JMO

I'm not saying poker,horses etc games aren't taking hits in todays economic worlds. ALL games are. I said they weren't "empty" like foolish pleasure said.

Robert this wasn't about poker at all. It's about the poster saying anyone, including myself playing poker or playing or watching NCAA games,etc is a brainwashed fool. That's right to you?

[Foolish Pleasure]

Try not to hurt yourself backtracking over all the stupid lies and gross distortions you posted in this thread.


Poker buys air time too.
THe heartland poker tour is not on comcast sports because they went out and found cheap programming or something.







which is yet another thing,

10,000 TV channles now vs three 30yrs ago,
racing is cheap programming that should have filled the immense need for cheap programming instead it is another boat they missed.

More racing on when there were three channels vs now is ludicrous beyond belief-even more ludicrous than the fanatic.

[tzipi]

fanatic-$10,000 entry fee and $5mill guarantee or $3300 for $2mill?
Plus they have raised the takeout, granted you a fanatic so you not even noticing this stuff, they have raised the takeout in the WSOP the last two years.






I have been posting here for 10yrs-you 6 months,
I have twenty thousand racing posts on the internet-you hundreds?

99% of the people who read here get it.


the 1% that don't are the fanatics-

over and out.

:bang: :bang: :bang:

Don't hurt myself with lies? I proved poker rooms were'nt empty and gone like you said. You said they were "empty". Read.

I'm a horse racing fanatic not a poker fanatic you looney! I defended myself, poker players and NCAA fans from you calling us "brainwashed fools". That's all. So what about your 10 years here? Doesn't make you smart.
Over and out :)

[PaceAdvantage]

Tzipi, you sure do seem to get involved in more than your fair share of "shout fests" with others around here...you ever notice that?

[tzipi]

Tzipi, you sure do seem to get involved in more than your fair share of "shout fests" with others around here...you ever notice that?

No I was waiting for you to jump on me. No, you jumped on me ONCE for having a long discussion with Kimsus(we talk and have no problem with eachother. Always have). There was no cursing or anything like other threads that were going on. So "shout fests"?

But Pace, you come to a thread where I just said hey, nothing wrong with people enjoying NCAA,poker,etc if they find it fun and this guy goes anyone who plays those games are brainwashed and fools and their games are dumb and boring and I'm suppose to go ok I'm a fool and a brainwashed idiot because I enjoy other games besides horse racing? Now I know you got a problem with me. This guy starts making fun of me when he doesn't even know me and I defend myself and you jump on me? Cmon Pace. Seems weird.

So if someone says I'm basically brainwashed and have no mind of my own and dumb for playing these boring games I'll just sit back and let it happen and they can carry on? I can see I can't defend myself. This thread was not about poker. Ok people or members who play other games/sports besides racing are brainwashed and basically fools. Sorry.

[PaceAdvantage]

I've got no problem with you defending yourself. It just seems you get into these long, drawn-out, back and forth boring-ass fistfights more than you should seeing as you've only been around six months or so.

You and Foolish Pleasure basically said the same thing to each other 1000x back and forth...BORING....you guys made your point once...MOVE ON....

There was also the "Which parts of Aqueduct are closed off to the public" fiasco...remember that one?

[tzipi]

I've got no problem with you defending yourself. It just seems you get into these long, drawn-out, back and forth boring-ass fistfights more than you should seeing as you've only been around six months or so.

You and Foolish Pleasure basically said the same thing to each other 1000x back and forth...BORING....you guys made your point once...MOVE ON....

There was also the "Which parts of Aqueduct are closed off to the public" fiasco...remember that one?

Hey as I said Pace during the week Aqueduct has wooden fences up and signs saying grandstand closed. Weekends it's open. I wasn't wrong. First year they have done that. I think because of the video machines. I was shocked it was closed off and posted that here but someone was saying I was wrong , it's open. Just a call there will tell you. Anyway we just discussed this in P mess and as I said I'm sticking to happy racing threads for a while:D . Ok enjoy :)