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cwwash
03-09-2010, 10:35 PM
Horse racing just keeps going backwards . While I feel the Pro Ride and Cushion Track and Polytrack are great for the player I must move the stock to Sunland and Lone Star this Summer. Just doesn't make good business sense to leave 14 head out here when the purses just keep going down. To have the Hollywood Park Gold Cup worth $500,000 is a joke. I can get cheaper training because of workers comp and a better bang for my buck. Don't think Zenyatta will waste her time for a $200,000 purse. Will the members bet on Hollywood Park this summer or bet someplace else?

Show Me the Wire
03-09-2010, 11:27 PM
Hope it works out for you.

Robert Goren
03-09-2010, 11:38 PM
So you are moving to new state, so when one your employees get hurt on the job, they are s... out of luck.

Igeteven
03-09-2010, 11:40 PM
Carl,

You are not alone on this, many owners will follow you out of the S Cal circuit after Santa Anita.

I know for a fact, this summer at Del Mar, some will not show up, I hope the TOC calls strike against Del Mar this summer and sends a clear message to the management of Del Mar and the State, that owners are customers too.

It's going to take a blow to the management to change things here for owners to make a profit.

Keep in touch


Lester

Robert Goren
03-09-2010, 11:50 PM
Carl,

You are not alone on this, many owners will follow you out of the S Cal circuit after Santa Anita.

I know for a fact, this summer at Del Mar, some will not show up, I hope the TOC calls strike against Del Mar this summer and sends a clear message to the management of Del Mar and the State, that owners are customers too.

It's going to take a blow to the management to change things here for owners to make a profit.

Keep in touch


LesterThis is what gets my blood riled. Owners are not customers, they are employees(technically independent contractors). 90% of what wrong with horse racing came about when the tracks started cow towering to the horse people in 1970s and 1980s.

Igeteven
03-10-2010, 12:23 AM
This is what gets my blood riled. Owners are not customers, they are employees(technically independent contractors). 90% of what wrong with horse racing came about when the tracks started cow towering to the horse people in 1970s and 1980s.


Owners are NOT employee's, or independent contractors, a trainer is of the owner,

I want to say this, it cost 3 grand a month to train a horse.

who pays for it, the owner.

Bob settle down, I am a player and I have owned horses, it's not cheap to make a buck. One has to have the magic horse to really make it in this business.

Don't get me wrong, we need a overhaul of the entire system here in S Cal and across the nation.

1. Lower the take out.

Robert Goren
03-10-2010, 12:39 AM
As much as I like horse racing, I could live without it. I could aways bet on dogs or men bouncing a ball off a wall or sports. I prefer horse racings, but the people running it (and that includes horse owners) are working overtime to drive me away. If they never ran another horse race most punters would find something else to bet on. JMO

Igeteven
03-10-2010, 01:19 AM
As much as I like horse racing, I could live without it. I could aways bet on dogs or men bouncing a ball off a wall or sports. I prefer horse racings, but the people running it (and that includes horse owners) are working overtime to drive me away. If they never ran another horse race most punters would find something else to bet on. JMO


Believe me , I understand, I will always say, we need a national office, that the states have to follow. (no exception)

I hate the system now, It used to be called the sports of king, now I called the sport of Dictators.


If I was in charge, I could have this sport fix in one week and everyone would be happy.

statepierback
03-10-2010, 10:42 AM
I've stopped wagering on the Santa Anita races. Too many bad beats in the final sixteenth. I 've been waiting for the cushion track races. The news of the lower purses is no surprise. If I owned horses I would have left the state I while back. If the fields are too small at Hollywood I'll wait for the California state fair races. Enough said.

Igeteven
03-10-2010, 12:35 PM
I've stopped wagering on the Santa Anita races. Too many bad beats in the final sixteenth. I 've been waiting for the cushion track races. The news of the lower purses is no surprise. If I owned horses I would have left the state I while back. If the fields are too small at Hollywood I'll wait for the California state fair races. Enough said.

That's one of the problems with plastic tracks, the fastest horse doesn't always win.

That's one of the reasons, why one can't handicap the S Cal market anymore

I have not bought a racing form in 10 years, it's useless for info on handicapping anymore, one can get the same info on the internet.

I have been pushing the S Cal Tracks to go back to the most natural dirt track on the planet. However, they don't want to do this, because they want one to wheel, wheel, and wheel more in the exotic plays.

The tracks now have a vested interest in who wins the race. (carry overs)

There was many reasons why they did it, this is just one.

This is wrong.

cwwash
03-10-2010, 11:29 PM
I am not the tracks employee or contractor. You must be joking, right? I run a business and I do what is best for the business. Pure and simple this is about the money. I don't owe you or anyone else anything. I do owe Lester a steaming hot cup of coffee when I see him though. Other then that this is how roll.....

Like it or nor you got to learn to live with it.

Robert Goren
03-10-2010, 11:48 PM
I am not the tracks employee or contractor. You must be joking, right? I run a business and I do what is best for the business. Pure and simple this is about the money. I don't owe you or anyone else anything. I do owe Lester a steaming hot cup of coffee when I see him though. Other then that this is how roll.....

Like it or nor you got to learn to live with it. No, I don't, I can take my business else where. If you going stay in business you have to give the customers what they want or you're before a bankruptcy judge(which where most of the race tracks are headed). When it comes to gambling, there are plenty of places that will take my bets. It is only a matter of what I want to bet on.

cwwash
03-10-2010, 11:53 PM
Then good luck.

Horseplayersbet.com
03-10-2010, 11:59 PM
I am not the tracks employee or contractor. You must be joking, right? I run a business and I do what is best for the business. Pure and simple this is about the money. I don't owe you or anyone else anything. I do owe Lester a steaming hot cup of coffee when I see him though. Other then that this is how roll.....

Like it or nor you got to learn to live with it.
Horse owners are very similar to gamblers. Gamblers can walk away and there is no money for purses, so owners have to find a new hobby. Horse owners can walk away and gamblers can play something else.

Both the gambler and the horse owner wants the game to grow. The horse owner wants bigger purses, but that is totally dependent on the gambler, who for the most part could care less if the owner runs for double the purse he runs for today or half the purse he runs for today.

The gambler wants more players who aren't as good as them in the pools so they have a chance to win money in the long run (right now, betting into 20% takeout pools, the bettor has little or no chance, and the game has no chance to grow). Most owners lose money, but nowhere near the percentage of bettors who lose money.

An owner still knows that if they are lucky enough, they can make money at it, because enough owners make money at it to justify the thought.

But the bottom line is that the gambler plays not to give the owner a chance to make money, but because the gambler believes they have a chance to make money.

The fact that both are starting to walk away is evidence that the game needs to explore optimum takeouts. The more horseplayers attracted to horse racing, the bigger the pools will be. But you need horseplayers first, not owners.

Horseplayersbet.com
03-11-2010, 12:15 AM
This is what gets my blood riled. Owners are not customers, they are employees(technically independent contractors). 90% of what wrong with horse racing came about when the tracks started cow towering to the horse people in 1970s and 1980s.
The only customer is the horseplayer. The purses are completely made up of gambling losses by customers (and sometimes by gambling losses of casino customers) Owners are like suppliers who have their product on concession (the horse).

Owners have had too much say in how to price the product. They should only worry about negotiating their cut, and nothing else. The price of the product should be decided by the track and the customer (supply and demand).

Robert Goren
03-11-2010, 12:16 AM
This game went down hill when tracks started begging for horses instead owners begging tracks for a stall. Big name tracks do things for trainers that a small country track would not do when I started just to get a stable of 4 yo maiden claimers and 5 yo NWs of 2 lifetime bottom level claimers on the grounds.

trying2win
03-11-2010, 02:10 AM
To Horseplayersbet.com:

In my opinion, your posts in this thread are right on the money! :ThmbUp:


T2W

onefast99
03-11-2010, 08:47 AM
So you are moving to new state, so when one your employees get hurt on the job, they are s... out of luck.
Many states offer a workmans comp plan to the horseman NJ is one of those states. Fl and Pa do not offer one and you need to buy it which can cost a lot of money.