Tiger Woods to speak Friday, 2/19/2010

[DJofSD]

Not an open media event but a pool camera for the press will be available.

Expect a lot of mea culpa and likely an announcement about his playing schedule.

I like the increased visibility the other PGA players are received without TW hogging all of the coverage. However, I am sure all concerned want to have him back ASAP. I would hate to be the host for his first public competition.

[cj's dad]

Not an open media event but a pool camera for the press will be available.

Expect a lot of mea culpa and likely an announcement about his playing schedule.

I like the increased visibility the other PGA players are received without TW hogging all of the coverage. However, I am sure all concerned want to have him back ASAP. I would hate to be the host for his first public competition.

Sounds like a Bo press conference - tell my side followed by no questions.

[Tom]

Maybe he will explain this?
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[JustRalph]

The last 20 seconds is the best........

"Humpity hump hump" :lol:

[Kimsus]

I expect the usual tears, followed by contrition and the plea for privacy.

[Robert Goren]

I just wish this would all go away, so the sportscenter guys could get back to talking something important like the NBA trade deadline.;)

[Kimsus]

I say he starts tearing up 30 seconds into his statement. :(

[GaryG]

He is not sorry that he failed to keep "little tiger" in his pants. If he was he would have stopped all that whoring around a long time ago. He is sorry that he got busted and is working on spin and damage control.

[DJofSD]

I'm hoping there'll be one good thing coming out of this: people will stop yelling 'in the hole'!

[Greyfox]

I'm hoping there'll be one good thing coming out of this: people will stop yelling 'in the hole'!

:lol: :ThmbUp:

[rastajenk]

I think he'll announce that he will tune up for his return to the tour with a few Hooters' Tour events and that he's their new advertising face.

[ezrabrooks]

To bad he isn't coming back in the FBR at Phoenix.. The 16th would have really been rock'en.

[DJofSD]

There's a lot of PGA players really p*ssed about the timing of this statement.

I don't think the full measure of the backlash against Tiger has reached it's peak.

[Robert Goren]

There's a lot of PGA players really p*ssed about the timing of this statement.

I don't think the full measure of the backlash against Tiger has reached it's peak.Nobody cares about any other PGA player other than Tiger.

[DJofSD]

Nobody cares about any other PGA player other than Tiger.
That could very well be true for you and a percentage of causal followers but it is not true in general.

[Quagmire]

Angry Tiger.

[Greyfox]

He's going back to his Buddhist roots and more therapy.

[Kimsus]

I didn't buy it guys, very rehearsed and peculiar 20mins of him speaking. Obviously he was reading from text prepared by his handlers.

[098poi]

Tiger took complete responsibility for his actions. Recognized he has to change his behavior moving forward. Admitted he needs help, has gotten help and is going to get more help. I think he did the best he could do.

[Quagmire]

I hear that Tiger is entering the world of horse racing. He was spotted working out a promising filly named Rachel U.

[Kimsus]

It sounded more like a IMG produced infomercial to me, Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me...he has a ways to go and actions will be his savior or downfall.

[Greyfox]

Good versus Evil. Heroes vs. Villains. Classic plots for tragedy and movies.
Tiger's rabbit habit will be one tough fight. It brings back memories of when Superman went evil.

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[Quagmire]

It sounded more like a IMG produced infomercial to me, Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me...he has a ways to go and actions will be his savior or downfall.

Didn't he essentially say that in his statement?

[Kimsus]

Didn't he essentially say that in his statement?

He said alot of cliches, I don't buy alot of what he said. It was a controlled informercial. If you believe this was a sincere true apology all on the up and up without any external motives. Then I feel bad for those who bought it, obviously alot of people will never learn. It's a naive society we live in.

[Quagmire]

He said alot of cliches, I don't buy alot of what he said. It was a controlled informercial. If you believe this was a sincere true apology all on the up and up without any external motives. Then I feel bad for those who bought it, obviously alot of people will never learn. It's a naive society we live in.

What do you think Tiger owes you or anyone else besides his wife and family an apology for?

[Kimsus]

What do you think Tiger owes you or anyone else besides his wife and family an apology for?

That's the issue that people misunderstand, I don't really care if he apologizes to Elin and his kids, though he has which is great. He led a life where his public image was work hard, be honest, lead your life with ingretity and good things will follow. With the events of the past 3 months we have found out that is a lie, and really that is what it is about. Is he a good role model for a 5 yr old anymore? Would you say to your kids I want you to grow up to be just like Tiger. Entitled...and now untruthful.

[TJDave]

And I'm a tough sell.

First time I've heard what I consider to be a sincere apology from any celebrity.

If I'm getting played then Tiger is the world's best sociopath.

Time will tell.

[broadreach]

very rehearsed...Obviously he was reading from text prepared by his handlers.Yeh it was unsatisfying. He could have ditched the script and say what he felt from the heart in his own words. But that's only if he was really sorry.

[Quagmire]

Why would anyone think a golfer is a good role model for a 5 year old. Charles Barkley put it best a few years ago when he said that he wasn't anybodies role model.

[Kimsus]

Why would anyone think a golfer is a good role model for a 5 year old. Charles Barkley put it best a few years ago when he said that he wasn't anybodies role model.

That is a ridiculous statement, do you know the impact Tiger has had on children around the world? He has a foundation you know that is exactly the root of what we are talking about today. How are those parents going to explain to their kids that their hero that you believed in all of their lives, is not the person they thought he was.

Furthermore by not having a true press conference where questions could be asked, speaks to a certain arrogance that he is above all others. Are you kidding me you don't believe 5 yr olds look to sports icons as hero's? Gimme a break...

[Quagmire]

Theres a difference between a hero and a role model.

[Kimsus]

:rolleyes: Yep I'm sure an average 5 yr old understands this.

[Quagmire]

I'm sure they'll get over it. Just like when they find out that Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny aren't real either.

[banacek]

I kind of half bought it. He seemed to get some of it to me..when he started to talk about the entitled part, I liked that. I also liked when he said he had to show greater respect for the game..I was reading in Sports Illustrated today about what Tom Watson said. To him this is a private matter, but he has always been concerned about the way Tiger has conducted himself on the golf course..throwing clubs, swearing.

But some of his pauses to recompose seemed almost rehearsed. He didn't have to do this..he could have continued to deal with it privately and that would have been fine with me. But on the other hand he had to do it...to get some respect back and for possible future endorsements.

[Kimsus]

Or maybe the vast majority will grow up believing Santa and the Easter bunny do not prescribe to the defintion of monogamy and it's okay to lie, cheat in life...because he can have a photo op and all is forgiven.

[Kimsus]

One more I like to throw in to have an "entitled" life. Not what I am going to teach my children that's for certain.

[JWBurnie]

That's the issue that people misunderstand, I don't really care if he apologizes to Elin and his kids, though he has which is great. He led a life where his public image was work hard, be honest, lead your life with ingretity and good things will follow. With the events of the past 3 months we have found out that is a lie, and really that is what it is about. Is he a good role model for a 5 yr old anymore? Would you say to your kids I want you to grow up to be just like Tiger. Entitled...and now untruthful.

Very different, but similar to Hulk Hogan (I know)... take your vitamins, say your prayers. I believed that crap when I was young. Little did I know, he was obtaining his "vitamins and prayers" in cc's.

To be honest, I think it was Hogan and wrestling at an early age that openend my eyes and begin to question amazing strength, recovery & ability in pro sports.

[mountainman]

Nobody cares about any other PGA player other than Tiger.

Tiger IS the tour. Golf owes him much more than he owes it.

[strapper]

Tiger didn't shed any tears although it looked like he tried to muster one at one point. Boy did his mother look mad! I think he did it to mend things with his mom more than his wife. Anyway, he's spoken, and we can all go back to what we were doing. Golf will have to wait for his return.

[mountainman]

I kind of half bought it. He seemed to get some of it to me..when he started to talk about the entitled part, I liked that. I also liked when he said he had to show greater respect for the game..I was reading in Sports Illustrated today about what Tom Watson said. To him this is a private matter, but he has always been concerned about the way Tiger has conducted himself on the golf course..throwing clubs, swearing.

But some of his pauses to recompose seemed almost rehearsed. He didn't have to do this..he could have continued to deal with it privately and that would have been fine with me. But on the other hand he had to do it...to get some respect back and for possible future endorsements.

He seemed more sincere in his contrition before that passionate rebuke of the media (appropriate or not) gave us a look at Tiger truly talking from the heart.

[DJofSD]

Tiger IS the tour. Golf owes him much more than he owes it.
Right, if you say so. I guess Rachel Alexandra and Zenyatta ARE T'bred racing and, excetra......

[Greyfox]

Except for his lambast of the media, he came across as canned, mechanical, and scripted by damage control experts who probably got tons of $$ to work out the "just right impact" of the material. He said the right words, but...

[LottaKash]

All he's got now, is his "addiction to sex & golf", and as with any addiction, life will be iffy and unfulfilling, until he learns how to get and keep a "real" and meaningful relationship....Other than good health, it is the only other thing in life that really matters..

All that kash, and no one to love you, except all the ho's, and the coat-tailers....I pity the guy...

As with any addicted person, the guy obvious needs some help, and I don't believe he will seek it out, at least not yet, and will just try to make up for it, by playing golf to ease the pain of his loneliness, just like any addicted person that may be trying to bypass the real issues of the addiction... Sad...

[Greyfox]

For some of us, Golf is an addiction and a fickle mistress all in one.

[LottaKash]

For some of us, Golf is an addiction and a fickle mistress all in one.

If that is true, then Tiger has it all....:cool:

best,

[mountainman]

Right, if you say so. I guess Rachel Alexandra and Zenyatta ARE T'bred racing and, excetra......

It's ludicrous to equate Zenyatta's impact on racing with Tiger's on golf.

[sandpit]

Tiger IS the tour. Golf owes him much more than he owes it.

Whatever...sports survive without their stars...NASCAR lost Earnhardt; Magic, Bird and Jordan are gone; Gretsky too.

Many great golfers paved the way to put Tiger in his lofty position, and despite his immense talent, he chose to disrespect the game's past with his pouty attitude on the course and whorish one off of it.

On another note, if he talks as robotic as he did today when he is at home apologizing to his wife, I wouldn't blame her for taking a 9-iron to him.

[Greyfox]

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[bigmack]

The carnage left in his wake is devastating. How can you put a price on a woman giving up a career in porn? How many films has she turned down? How many pearl necklaces has she refused to don?

This is an outrage!

Thank goodness Gloria Allred is there for her.

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[mountainman]

On another note, if he talks as robotic as he did today when he is at home apologizing to his wife, I wouldn't blame her for taking a 9-iron to him.

As odd as it might seem, coming off as yourself on camera and keeping it completely real takes experience. Until today, Tiger had fed the media a strict diet of soundbites. Had he been as open as some of his peers to reporters and more available throughout his career for tv interviews that included personal questions, he could have made his remarks at least sound more heartfelt this morning. So ironically enough, Wood's shunning of the media over the course of his career left him ill prepared to connect with them today.

[sandpit]

Interesting and insightful Mountainman; looks like Woods' past behaviour is coming back to haunt him in many ways.

[PaceAdvantage]

Man, what a wacky circus this is with the Gloria Allred / Porn Star clip...I didn't think anything could top Tiger's little mea culpa today, but damn if BigMack didn't come through again with the Blue Ribbon best in show...the tearful sobs of a Porn Star robbed of her livelihood by the love of a Tiger? You don't top that.

Oh, and did anyone else sit there watching Tiger perform yesterday and think to themselves "This looks exactly like a classic SNL skit....," especially when they would cut to that side shot to include members of the "audience."

[rastajenk]

tough crowd here. He has attained a unique position in American celebrity, and he has admitted he wasn't mature enough to handle it in themost public, humiliating manner, And yet we want more humiliation, more tears, more spectacle. The crowds in the Coleseum of Rome would be proud of you.

[PaceAdvantage]

tough crowd here. He has attained a unique position in American celebrity, and he has admitted he wasn't mature enough to handle it in themost public, humiliating manner, And yet we want more humiliation, more tears, more spectacle. The crowds in the Coleseum of Rome would be proud of you.Actually, I couldn't care less about Tiger's personal problems. To me, it's between him and his wife and the people that rely on him for their income.

Tiger doesn't owe me an apology, and I would never expect or demand one from him.

[Tom]

Gee, I didn't even give hoot about him when he was playing golf.

[Robert Goren]

It would be like Obama making a speech at a tea party rally. You could see that by the looks on their faces that nobody there believed a word of it.

[JustRalph]

The only way I would be interested is if one of these Athletes, Politicians etc made a statement and said.......

"I did it for the fun of it! I am a guy, we like to chase women....it's what we do"

or in Tiger's case

" I am 34 years old with a half a billion in the bank. I could have just about any women I want......... I was stupid and got married.........I did it for the obvious reasons........."

Then I might think they are being truthful......until I hear that come out of one of these guys mouths.........I don't care..........and then I would only care because of the novelty of it........ :ThmbUp:

He is a 34 yr old guy who cheated on his wife........ a dime a dozen............everywhere............

[Kimsus]

Very different, but similar to Hulk Hogan (I know)... take your vitamins, say your prayers. I believed that crap when I was young. Little did I know, he was obtaining his "vitamins and prayers" in cc's.

To be honest, I think it was Hogan and wrestling at an early age that openend my eyes and begin to question amazing strength, recovery & ability in pro sports.

Interesting you mention Hulk hogan, Tiger made a point of not taking droids in yesterday's apology. That was a strange time to bring that up? When one looks at Roger Clemons and Barry Bonds and how their body changed when they 1st came into the league, it is reminiscent to how Tiger's body has changed from when he 1st won the masters. You have to wonder if he did do drugs even Nike would drop him as a spokesperson. Somehow I can see on the horizon he may have bigger skeletons in his closet than mulitple extramarital affairs.

[PaceAdvantage]

I don't know much about professional golf...they don't test for steroids, correct? Is it even officially outlawed (how can it be if they don't test)?

Why would anyone believe what Tiger has to say about using performance enhancing drugs...did they forget the reason he is up there in the first place? :lol:

The guy still has a mega set of balls...I will say that...

[Kimsus]

I don't know much about professional golf...they don't test for steroids, correct? Is it even officially outlawed (how can it be if they don't test)?

Why would anyone believe what Tiger has to say about using performance enhancing drugs...did they forget the reason he is up there in the first place? :lol:

The guy still has a mega set of balls...I will say that...

Besides the obvious physical changes in his body, he did see a Dr. ...Dr. Galea I believe his name was that was linked to prescribing sterioids to his clients. Nothing has been proven but this is a good case to use logic, where there is smoke there is fire, and given that he admitted he changed from his bhuddist beliefs to what he termed as entitled, how can anyone believe him when he says he didn't take drugs. He can't say he did, he would lose everything, including any and all endorsments and even worse may be stripped of all golf records or atleast have an asterisk beside them. For the record i wouldn't be one bit surprised he took them, one thing atheletes say when they are on droids is it allows the muscle to recover quicker from working out, thus you can build muscle mass and it allows you to work at your craft longer and thus you can better yourself.

[mountainman]

The specter of performance-enhancing drugs poses a much bigger threat than adultery to Tiger's legacy. The media will get around to banging that drum once folks lose interest in his philandering. I used to think Woods was too smart to risk tarnishing his achievements by taking steroids. Scratch that notion after the man admitted to having thought that the rules didn't apply to him.
In fact, the looming steroids issue could be the primary reason he seemed to rule out EVER fielding a non-golf question yesterday. His established M.O. of buying silence from sex partners does not bode well for him. Can anybody look at Tiger's physique and not wonder now what the market is for a dirty Dr. to not give him up? If his guns lose girth in the wake of these suspicions, we have the answer.

[Greyfox]

I don't know much about professional golf...they don't test for steroids, correct? ...

1. The PGA does have a drug testing program.

2. They do test for steroids.

3. The question is: Would they suspend Tiger if he tested positive???

4. Tim Finchem tour commissioner said the following. Note the "knock on wood" comment. Was it a Freudian slip as he admits to an "issue or two."

5. By my "eyeball" Tiger has bulked up somehow and his Doc is under scrutiny.


From : http://www.pga.com/2009/news/pgatour/07/01/drug.ap/index.html
BETHESDA, Md. (AP) -- PGA Tour Commissioner Tim Finchem was the first to be tested for drugs under its anti-doping policy that began last year at the AT&T National. Tim Clark was the first player to be tested.
One year and more than a thousand random samples later, Finchem says the tour remains clean.

"There have been no suspensions because of doping," Finchem said Wednesday. "It's not going to surprise me if we have some issue, but I think what's clear is we do not have a doping problem. Having an issue or two as we go forward does not mean we're having a problem. It could mean a lot of things. But -- knock on wood -- we're very pleased at this point in time."

[Kimsus]

1. The PGA does have a drug testing program.

2. They do test for steroids.

3. The question is: Would they suspend Tiger if he tested positive???

4. Tim Finchem tour commissioner said the following. Note the "knock on wood" comment. Was it a Freudian slip as he admits to an "issue or two."

5. By my "eyeball" Tiger has bulked up somehow and his Doc is under scrutiny.


From : http://www.pga.com/2009/news/pgatour/07/01/drug.ap/index.html
BETHESDA, Md. (AP) -- PGA Tour Commissioner Tim Finchem was the first to be tested for drugs under its anti-doping policy that began last year at the AT&T National. Tim Clark was the first player to be tested.
One year and more than a thousand random samples later, Finchem says the tour remains clean.

"There have been no suspensions because of doping," Finchem said Wednesday. "It's not going to surprise me if we have some issue, but I think what's clear is we do not have a doping problem. Having an issue or two as we go forward does not mean we're having a problem. It could mean a lot of things. But -- knock on wood -- we're very pleased at this point in time."

My problem with this Tiger Woods scandal is we now know he has had mulitple affairs, he attended many strip clubs, that it only took him driving into a tree for it to finally surface. This doesn't quite wash, either he had people on the payroll or reporters on the payroll that just turned a blind eye. The same can be said for him being on steroids, The PGA would be the 1st to hide the fact that the player that makes more money for them they would bury the fact he is associated with drugs, I think alot of people have turned a blind eye to his shortcomings, we still see that now when some people cannot digest Tiger could quite possibly cheat, this inspite of his already numerous list of failings. Ironically I see a similarity between this and horseracing, how many fans do not want to accept that some of the greatest horses to run of recent may be a product of steroids themselves, hypocritical to say the least. Turn a blinds eye when it is a sacred one.

[Grits]

Golf BETTER do something QUICK. Man, have they got a swing going.

Accenture Match Play PGA Tournament is airing. (Acce. being one of those sponsors who first dropped the philanderer.) I'm watching some dude in the desert of Arizona--big cactus plants in the background are always a giveaway.

Anyway, I think his name's Ian . . . . he's wearing pastel pink slacks, a pastel pink sweater (on this, he has a Mutual of Omaha logo on the front, a Woodburn Golf Club logo on the sleeve), white shirt (big mastercard logo on the collar), white belt, white bucks, (no logo on those), white visor (Cobra on that), and to complete his look--pink tinted designer sunglasses. Can't see their logo, but given the pink theme's following to the shades? Probably women's fashion icon, Donna Karan.

Yep, golf's in trouble. Or maybe its me not realizing they'd started going for pastels and rose colored glasses.

[Grits]

OH MY GOD, now he's changed shades. The lenses are purple. How weird is this?

One can watch horses eight hours a day, but one sure can't watch this stuff for one.:faint:

[Greyfox]

That would be Ian Poulter.
Last year he said that he and Tiger were in a league of their own.
The entire British Press had fun with that one. Poulter is certainly in his own league.
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[Kimsus]

I never thought the day would come that I would root for Phil over Tiger...

[Grits]

My Lord, Greyfox . . . . and I thought he looked foolish in the pastels. :lol: :lol: :lol:

This guy's clothing makes more noise than any gallery ever could!!!!

How awful.

[DJofSD]

Golf BETTER do something QUICK. Man, have they got a swing going.

Accenture Match Play PGA Tournament is airing. (Acce. being one of those sponsors who first dropped the philanderer.) I'm watching some dude in the desert of Arizona--big cactus plants in the background are always a giveaway.

Anyway, I think his name's Ian . . . . he's wearing pastel pink slacks, a pastel pink sweater (on this, he has a Mutual of Omaha logo on the front, a Woodburn Golf Club logo on the sleeve), white shirt (big mastercard logo on the collar), white belt, white bucks, (no logo on those), white visor (Cobra on that), and to complete his look--pink tinted designer sunglasses. Can't see their logo, but given the pink theme's following to the shades? Probably women's fashion icon, Donna Karan.

Yep, golf's in trouble. Or maybe its me not realizing they'd started going for pastels and rose colored glasses.

That's Ian Pulter. He might be a stranger to most Americans but he's a very good golfer and has been doing well on the European tour.

His fashion statements are probably off-putting to a lot of people but it is who he is. More power to him.

[Golf and Horses]

Gotta look past the clothes and see the talent... the guy can play as he proved this week

http://images.thegolfchannel.com/images/eventphoto/p-t/366270.jpg

[Relwob Owner]

I never thought the day would come that I would root for Phil over Tiger...


Me neither.....just a hunch but I wouldnt be surprised if Phil has some not so flattering things about him that havent been discovered yet.....

The most ironic/hypocritical thing to me is that golf and its players and officials put so much emphasis on being a gentleman and not cheating.....now, it is clear that their top player has no problem with cheating and their officials may have turned a blind eye to it....

[banacek]

Me neither.....just a hunch but I wouldnt be surprised if Phil has some not so flattering things about him that havent been discovered yet........

Like using a 20 year old club to get around the new groove rules?

[Relwob Owner]

Like using a 20 year old club to get around the new groove rules?


That may have just been the start of it.......he is all smiles when the camera is on but I get the sense and have heaard stories that it all aint peachy for him....

[Kimsus]

Me neither.....just a hunch but I wouldnt be surprised if Phil has some not so flattering things about him that havent been discovered yet.....

The most ironic/hypocritical thing to me is that golf and its players and officials put so much emphasis on being a gentleman and not cheating.....now, it is clear that their top player has no problem with cheating and their officials may have turned a blind eye to it....

I used to be a Tiger fan, not only for the way he played golf but the way he always conducted himself away from golf. His foundation for children for instance, he would always look at the person he was shaking hands with and he would always look into the eyes of the reporter when answering a question. Basically he had me fooled, obviously anyone can be trained to be a PR's dream and he is I suspect he is very well trained. A Pr's dream...

With this scandal, I believe is only the beginning of his downfall. He will still have his slew of believers however I believe it is a sign of a bigger problem. Just think of it, it takes some mindset to bed countless waitresses and or pornstars while maintaining the theme of a perfect family with a pretty wife. It really takes a person of great conceit to believe they can get away with that, That alone tells me this is a man that would do anything to suceed, whether this is doping or lying to get back endorsements, I suspect the guy is scum but given Arod and Kobe's apologies and the public's rush to embrace the chosen few, Tiger may have his day again. That is unless he is found out to be a steroid pushers best friend.

[DJofSD]

Like using a 20 year old club to get around the new groove rules?
Oh Pleeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase.

The controversy was manufactored by the press. If you had followed the issue you would know the club was legal, McCarron apologized to Phil personally and again in public for implying Phil was some how cheating when he was not, and, Phil decided not to use the club at Riveria the following weekend.

I hope you guys know more about racing than you do golf.

[Relwob Owner]

Oh Pleeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase.

The controversy was manufactored by the press. If you had followed the issue you would know the club was legal, McCarron apologized to Phil personally and again in public for implying Phil was some how cheating when he was not, and, Phil decided not to use the club at Riveria the following weekend.

I hope you guys know more about racing than you do golf.



I know a fair amount about golf, having played and followed the sport for over 20 years.....no, what Phil was doing wasnt illegal, thanks to the USGA/Ping lawsuit which privided a huge loophole, by which Phil was able to use a club that was manufactured over 20 years ago......

However, McCarron apologizing means nothing because it is not hard to speculate that the USGA and PGA provided enough pressure to do so, considering recent issues and the desire to avoid the game with the squeaky clean image to avoid another black eye.....funny how Finchem flies in and all of the sudden, McCarron does an about face????

Also, I believe that Phil is not using the club anymore which says a lot as well-if he wasnt cheating, why not continue to use it?

Many of my suspicions about Phil having more to his story involve the unsubstantiated rumors that seem to dog him regarding his off the course situation....no clue if they are true or not but where there is smoke there is sometimes fire....

[DJofSD]

However, McCarron apologizing means nothing because it is not hard to speculate that the USGA and PGA provided enough pressure to do so, considering recent issues and the desire to avoid the game with the squeaky clean image to avoid another black eye.....funny how Finchem flies in and all of the sudden, McCarron does an about face????

On the face of it, it would imply there was pressure applied. However, Scott McCarron is a players rep. If he buckled under to Finchem then he's spineless.

[DJofSD]

thanks to the USGA/Ping lawsuit which privided a huge loophole, by which Phil was able to use a club that was manufactured over 20 years ago......

Any player could use the Ping Eye 2. Altogether, I believe during that tournament at Torrey, 7 players had them in their bag. Furthermore, during the controversy, there were plenty available on eBay for sale. Any one that wanted one could have one. The perceived advantage for Phil in reality did not exist.

[DJofSD]

Also, I believe that Phil is not using the club anymore which says a lot as well-if he wasnt cheating, why not continue to use it?

I think he and other players were using the club because they could and not because they were trying to cheat. I think if there had been a poll/discussion ahead of play starting at Torrey then perhaps Phil and others might have thought again about using the club.

I believe he discontinued use of the club because it generated a lot of visibility and gave the press an opportunity to raise yet another issue that could be characterized as dirty laundry. As you pointed out, with the bad press about Tiger, professional golf did not need yet another "problem".

I'd be curious to know if Phil, Anthony Kim and the others have taken the Ping out of their bag permanently or if they are waiting for further action to be taken later this year.

[Greyfox]

Just think of it, it takes some mindset to bed countless waitresses and or pornstars while maintaining the theme of a perfect family with a pretty wife. .

True. But if all of the pro athletes across sports had to go for sex therapy for screwing around we wouldn't have any teams to field in any sport.
Even amateurs players have their moments.
The Winter Olympics in Vancouver have apparently stocked in between 50,000 to 100,000 condoms.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/35439222/ns/today-today_in_vancouver

[cj's dad]

Gotta look past the clothes and see the talent... the guy can play as he proved this week

http://images.thegolfchannel.com/images/eventphoto/p-t/366270.jpg


I wonder if it had anything to do with breast cancer awareness- I also saw Digger Phelps on a Basketball telecast wearing a pink tie and he was holding a pink hi-liter.

Just a thought !!

[cj's dad]

Tiger asked folks to leave his wife and kids alone - very noble of him.

He was certainly concerned with their well being when he was out playing a round of 18 !! What a hypocrite !

Maybe he'll leave his '6' iron in the clubhouse from now on !!

These press conferences are all about damage control - they are self serving - he could not care less about the "fans" !!

[DJofSD]

Maybe this will surprise a few (but then perhaps not): http://www.golfgal-blog.com/2008/02/real-men-can-wear-pink-or-not.html

[Relwob Owner]

On the face of it, it would imply there was pressure applied. However, Scott McCarron is a players rep. If he buckled under to Finchem then he's spineless.


Everyone has to eat crow at times in their respective jobs and I think in this case, McCarron was doing so......

[Relwob Owner]

True. But if all of the pro athletes across sports had to go for sex therapy for screwing around we wouldn't have any teams to field in any sport.
Even amateurs players have their moments.
The Winter Olympics in Vancouver have apparently stocked in between 50,000 to 100,000 condoms.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/35439222/ns/today-today_in_vancouver



Right but not all athletes have the endorsements Tiger does....by endorsing a product, you are asking the public to trust you and what you think and what you do....after all this, the trust is gone and he deserves everything he gets...

[Relwob Owner]

I think he and other players were using the club because they could and not because they were trying to cheat. I think if there had been a poll/discussion ahead of play starting at Torrey then perhaps Phil and others might have thought again about using the club.

I believe he discontinued use of the club because it generated a lot of visibility and gave the press an opportunity to raise yet another issue that could be characterized as dirty laundry. As you pointed out, with the bad press about Tiger, professional golf did not need yet another "problem".

I'd be curious to know if Phil, Anthony Kim and the others have taken the Ping out of their bag permanently or if they are waiting for further action to be taken later this year.


Good points you have brought up here in many of your responses....I didnt know 7 guys had the same club in their bag and it would be interesting to know.....

[DJofSD]

A quick search of the Union-Tribune web site (SignOnSanDiego) reveals this (http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/jan/30/driving-a-wedge/) article that cites 8. I think I said 7 remembering the number from coverage of the event on the Golf Channel and the reference to the Bob Hope tournament.

Eight players reportedly are using the Ping wedges this week, up from seven last week at the Hope and two at the Sony Open in Hawaii. More players jumped on the controversy yesterday. Those who are opposed to their competitors using the Ping clubs contend that if they are not violating the letter of the law, they are thumbing their nose at the spirit of the game.

[mountainman]

Mickelson is a great supporting actor who simply can't carry the show on his own. He lacks the game and mystique to replace Tiger Woods. It's like Leslie Howard trying to play Rhett Butler when he was born to portray Ashley Wilkes. It just doesn't work. No matter how many mistresses Woods has.

[DJofSD]

Perhaps Phil does not quiet reach the same extremely high level of play as Tiger but he's damnably good nevertheless.

Mystique? There are only a small handful that can offer the boldness of play as Phil can. Ever see his shot selection when he's hit into the rough or behind what appears to be an obsticle? I think whoever wrote in the scene in Tin Cup when the ball is played off the loo must have been thinking about Phil.

[Relwob Owner]

Perhaps Phil does not quiet reach the same extremely high level of play as Tiger but he's damnably good nevertheless.

Mystique? There are only a small handful that can offer the boldness of play as Phil can. Ever see his shot selection when he's hit into the rough or behind what appears to be an obsticle? I think whoever wrote in the scene in Tin Cup when the ball is played off the loo must have been thinking about Phil.


IMO his boldness is what makes him cool but also what has caused him some losses as well. Seemed like he had gotten over the "go for the most daring shot" mentality but has regressed recently.....

[Relwob Owner]

Mickelson is a great supporting actor who simply can't carry the show on his own. He lacks the game and mystique to replace Tiger Woods. It's like Leslie Howard trying to play Rhett Butler when he was born to portray Ashley Wilkes. It just doesn't work. No matter how many mistresses Woods has.


I think Golf will be incredibly interesting when Tiger gets back.....the heckling will be awesome and I personall feel like Tiger will never be the same as a player--he thrived off the fact that everyone thought he was the best and intimidated most of the other players. That mystique is gone to a certain extent as the players and galleries alike realize he is human just like the rest of us.

[Grits]

Mickelson is a great supporting actor who simply can't carry the show on his own. He lacks the game and mystique to replace Tiger Woods. It's like Leslie Howard trying to play Rhett Butler when he was born to portray Ashley Wilkes. It just doesn't work. No matter how many mistresses Woods has.

MM, no, sweetheart, these women weren't mistresses.

NO, these women were opportunists looking for a sponsor. A famous one.

Opportunists who are still "working the room;" long past their "fifteen minutes."

While everyone understands Tiger is sorry, and has made a speedy return to his rehab facility for his alleged sex addiction.

No one has suggested each of these buxom opportunists enter rehab for their gold digging addictions.

Its often repeated behavior, you know. The kind which has no forethought or concern for the "sponsor's" current wife, children, age, or health--good or questionable.

Its all about US being together because WE are in love.

READ: SHE wants to live well. And well, after he's gone.:lol:

[mountainman]

MM, no, sweetheart, these women weren't mistresses.

NO, these women were opportunists looking for a sponsor. A famous one.

Opportunists who are still "working the room;" long past their "fifteen minutes."

While everyone understands Tiger is sorry, and has made a speedy return to his rehab facility for his alleged sex addiction.

No one has suggested each of these buxom opportunists enter rehab for their gold digging addictions.

Its often repeated behavior, you know. The kind which has no forethought or concern for the "sponsor's" current wife, children, age, or health--good or questionable.

Its all about US being together because WE are in love.

READ: SHE wants to live well. And well, after he's gone.:lol:

As reprehensible as their actions may have been, none of those women made any vows whatsoever to Wood's wife. It was his responsibility to respect his marriage. And his alone.

[Greyfox]

Have Gun, Will Travel? No. It's Have Clubs, Will Smite.

Hecklers beware.
Steve Williams, the caddy who earns more than most of us on this board, says that he will ensure that Tiger gets a "level playing field" when he returns.
Story at:

http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2010/02/21/2010-02-21_tigers_caddy_sez_hed_club_hecklers.html

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2010/02/21/alg_tiger_cries.jpg.

[LottaKash]

Golf, a good walk ruined - Mark Twain