Wagering on Hastings

[banacek]

Does anyone know of anyone decent that takes wagers from Canadians on Hastings in Vancouver. I bet fairly large on it (4 figures a day). It is one of my main tracks and I have been playing it through HPI , but their incompetence has hit a new low...the last straw. I'd love a decent rebate (wouldn't take much to beat HPI), but customer service would be a priority (ditto). Thanks.

[46zilzal]

Be prepared for a significantly shorter season next time.

They won't let Cutherbertson back and Guttierez may stay in California.

[Horseplayersbet.com]

Be prepared for a significantly shorter season next time.

They won't let Cutherbertson back and Guttierez may stay in California.
Is it because of Cuthbertson's age?

[46zilzal]

Is it because of Cuthbertson's age?
no certain well known ADDICTIONS which strongly interfere with his showing up.

[monistee]

Is it Alan Cuthbertson your discussing.

[46zilzal]

Is it Alan Cuthbertson your discussing.
Guy has a big day, goes on a binge and then is a no show next day. Happens too often not to mention the long long history of nose candy.

[banacek]

Well, I will miss Mario if he stays south, but Cuthbertson won't be any great loss to the riding colony - had 68 starts and only 8 wins. Hope he gets his life together and wish Mario the best whatever he decides to do.

[Backstretch Pirate]

Does anyone know of anyone decent that takes wagers from Canadians on Hastings in Vancouver. I bet fairly large on it (4 figures a day). It is one of my main tracks and I have been playing it through HPI , but their incompetence has hit a new low...the last straw. I'd love a decent rebate (wouldn't take much to beat HPI), but customer service would be a priority (ditto). Thanks.

What was the last straw with HPI? I bet big everyday with them too, and when I check my rebate points, they always seem way lower than they should be.

[46zilzal]

You guys are wagering ON THE WRONG COAST

Big fields, classy horses are in ONATRIO

[Backstretch Pirate]

You guys are wagering ON THE WRONG COAST

Big fields, classy horses are in ONATRIO

I bet there too, but I am really good at Hastings.

[Greyfox]

You guys are wagering ON THE WRONG COAST

Big fields, classy horses are in ONATRIO

I thought that you worked for Hastings???

(Where is ONATRIO? Is it near Otronto?:D )

[banacek]

I bet there too, but I am really good at Hastings.

Me too. How can I be wrong to bet at the track I know best and make the most money at?:bang:

[banacek]

What was the last straw with HPI? I bet big everyday with them too, and when I check my rebate points, they always seem way lower than they should be.

Yeah, I can live with the antiquated betting interface (well not really). I can even live with the crappy rebates (well not really). But I can't live with incompetent "customer service" personnel. I think I finally got ahold of someone there yesterday that has a clue...but I'm not sure yet, we'll see how things turn out. But they have either lost a customer or a big chunk of my business.

[46zilzal]

I thought that you worked for Hastings???

(Where is ONTARIO? Is it near Toronto?:D )
I work for an independent contractor for video reproduction. a NATIONAL outfit called Telephoto Technologies


I have serious concerns with the Hastings front office. They do not know how to run a race meeting other than the race secretary, a very smart man named Paul R.

[Greyfox]

You guys are wagering ON THE WRONG COAST

Big fields, classy horses are in ONATRIO


Okay, it's Ontario. That's a typo.

But now the geography question:
If those guys are betting on the wrong coast, what coast is Ontario on??:cool:

[46zilzal]

Okay, it's Ontario. That's a typo.

But now the geography question:
If those guys are betting on the wrong coast, what coast is Ontario on??:cool:
Lake Ontario of course. My mother in law is a few blocks from it in downtown Toronto.

[Greyfox]

Lake Ontario of course. My mother in law is a few blocks from it in downtown Toronto.

Bzzzz. Wrong answer.

A coast is land next to a sea or ocean.
Lake Ontario has a shore line, not a coast line.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/coast

[HuggingTheRail]

I work for an independent contractor for video reproduction. a NATIONAL outfit called Telephoto Technologies


I have serious concerns with the Hastings front office. They do not know how to run a race meeting other than the race secretary, a very smart man named Paul R.

So, Hastings has been owned in the past 20 years by:

Current :Great Canadian Gaming Corp/Great Canadian Casinos..whatever the legal entity is

Previous: Woodbine Entertainment

Before that was : PRA Pacific Racing Assoc

And up to about 1993 was owned by the BC Jockey Club

46, who was the best owner? why?

[46zilzal]

Previous: Woodbine Entertainment

BC Jockey Club

46, who was the best owner? why?

These two for the major reasons they had the $$$$$$, political connections, the experience in horse racing, the interests of horse racing. made up of horsemen and women and promoted the GAME and were not whores of the casinos.

Woodbine left in frustration when the Campbell gubbment reneged on an agreement to license several OTB sites across the lower mainland after they put millions into the course in reconstruction, P R and long range plans to upgrade the back side. WOODBINE is a class outfit with deep pockets and for them to bail after that much commitment makes you know they hit a stone wall. Not long after, old GORDO gave out many gambling licenses to his "friends," marking the first step in a long but progressive loss of race track revenue.

Diamond, as harsh a personality as you might think in meeting him one on one with that high pitched voice of his, was a horse lover first and foremost. He strangely got into the business as a knacker (his company was one of those that picked up the dead carcasses for meat production and rendering) I ran into him many times on the backstretch in the early hours of the morning with "Bunny" Johnson, his trainer, going barn to barn, often in the dark and mud, to talk to all the trainers and the help. I sat with him in what is now the sky box (used to be only for members of the BC Jockey Club) had lunch while a friend borrowed $2K until we went back up later in the program to pay it back. He was a rich man, but very very few people would ever say a bad word about him or his operation of that race track.

Pacific Racing was a fiasco from day one:NO ONE took charge and all wanted their way at a time when cooperation was what was needed. We are lucky indeed that it did not go out of business totally during their stint.

The current crew of MBA types see ONLY the bottom line of $$$$$$$$$. You can tell the way they promote the place: COME OUT, we won't help you a bit to understand what you are seeing here, but COME OUT nonetheless." The only people here NOW who understand what the hell is going on are first and foremost Paul Reyneveld (director of racing), a true visionary as compared to the others in power, he is open to suggestions from staff clients horsemen and, this is a real NOVELTY, "He actually listens!" I have my doubts whether he will be around long with the fact that he is alone in his vision in changing racing. The rest of the "idiots" you would think, given their backgrounds as horse owners and one, even a graduate of the U of Arizona race track management program (as is Paul),look for nothing but money and haven't a clue about anything else. I was down in the winner's circle last summer and one of these clowns is yelling into his cell phone with all the people in the circle for the winner's circle presentation and those fans standing close by, and is yelling "Fire those ****ers right now!" over and over to all of our embarrassed faces. Same guy mentioned to our apex camera operator, and quite loudly too as he usually does, "We have to get all of these OLD people out of here!" As my friend tried to explain to him that if it were not for those OLD people, their free time and disposable incomes that they gamble with, there would not be anyone here whatsoever.

Many of us (DRF people and myself) have suggested programs directed at the new faces we see on Friday nights in setting up education seminars to teach them how to wager and handicap, but all attempts have fallen on deaf ears while they keep promoting wiener dog racing, mascot racing, and professional boxing in between races.

My lament: "If you are that embarrassed about your product, why are you in the business at all?"

[46zilzal]

The season is to be shortened and the "gubbment" is suggesting that standard bred and thoroughbred racing be amalgamated at one venue.

There is no money to fix the two now let alone move them together.

[HuggingTheRail]

The season is to be shortened and the "gubbment" is suggesting that standard bred and thoroughbred racing be amalgamated at one venue.

There is no money to fix the two now let alone move them together.

46 - Thanks for the reply above about the ownership. I have been attending the races there off and on for over 30 years, since I was a little kid going with my grandfather. I have worked there for a couple of years a long time ago (when they had a private security company do barn area security), and I still walk the backstretch on a race day and often chat with many people. I appreciate getting your perspective on it.

It saddens me to watch the demise, but I am really stuck as to the solution. I think back 20 years ago...about 140 race days, 5 days a week when they raced Monday nights in the summer. Now we are down to what - 65 days or so, two or three days a week. Attendance was 10,000 on a stakes Saturday, with a million bet live. Lucky to get a quarter of that now.

I read all the threads here about the demise of the sport NA wide, and really cant figure out what I would do if I was "in charge for a day/month/whatever)

At the risk of redboarding, I predicted the amalgamation as soon as Great Canadian bought both - obviously when new ownership buys something, consolidation often follows.

They better cut dates, because the horsemen/women there seem dead set against purse cuts...how far in the red is the purse pool? They want to run 5k claimers for 9k purses, but the wagering money just isn't there to support it...even down the road at Emerald, they run for a fair bit less in the same claiming levels, and the horses compare fairly equally.

One of the few things they have going for them, is a very small clientele who will bet on ANYTHING...heck, they would wager quinellas on the 3 tractors grooming the track if they could. However, 20 years ago there was next to no casino type gambling in the Vancouver area...and now look... its what, 3km from Hastings track/casino to the nearest casino, and another 3 or 4 casinos within another 20km or so.

The scary part...the group most likely to fix it...is the government, if they ever realize how many direct and indirect jobs the business employs.

Its sad...it seems like yesterday they were talking about expanded B meets in the Interior/Sandown and/or a mile track built at Colony Farms, etc. Now, its all about survival....

[46zilzal]

You missed the Richmond project which had lots of $$$$$$ backers etc., but just no insiders to give it the green light.

Racing is doomed. The quicker I get to a larger horse source, the longer that lake will take to dry up.

Last year an MBA "suit" who has now been fired, was telling the bugler NOT to play call to the post as it would scare the horses! As my director is yelling into my ear to either have him play or change my shot, I just handed the microphone to this idiot who had no idea that the animals are accustomed to that sound.

The management should know better how to run a horse race track WITH a casino and not the other way around.

Try to get some input to Paul Reyneveld...He listens to relevant suggestions

[46zilzal]

THE horsemen's contract is up soon at Fraser and the puny cut of the pie they got in supporting Hastings at the outset has been a sore point for years. I predict strike

[trying2win]

Does anyone know of anyone decent that takes wagers from Canadians on Hastings in Vancouver. I bet fairly large on it (4 figures a day). It is one of my main tracks and I have been playing it through HPI , but their incompetence has hit a new low...the last straw. I'd love a decent rebate (wouldn't take much to beat HPI), but customer service would be a priority (ditto). Thanks.

BANACEK:

LINK2BET.COM just recently added HASTINGS PARK to their betting menu. I'm a Canadian resident and have an account with LINK2BET. Also, they pay me a weekly rebate (which is a higher percentage than the measly rebate that HPI offers). If you're interested, just send them an email and ask them if they can offer you a decent rebate. If you like what they offer, be prepared to let them know your average weekly betting total.

Feel free to list me as a referrer if you wish. You know, the old WIN-WIN scenario? If you can get a decent rebate for wagering HASTINGS PARK races through LINK2BET, I could earn a referral reward.

T2W

[46zilzal]

Get this, the front office is trying to capture fans going to the BC Lion`s football games by coordinating dates to accommodate the fans who will go to nearby Empire Stadium...at EIGHT DOLLARS a head to park, do you think they will come over out way

[Trotman]

Hey 46 you should watch what your saying her about Great Canadian Gaming and Gordies government, you don't know who checks into this site. I'm not saying your right or your wrong but you should really hold on to those thoughts and not make them public forum.

[46zilzal]

Hey 46 you should watch what your saying her about Great Canadian Gaming and Gordies government, you don't know who checks into this site. I'm not saying your right or your wrong but you should really hold on to those thoughts and not make them public forum.
I work for neither of them

[Trotman]

But you work for Telephoto Technologies which could get heat and then what, that's the 100.00 question

[46zilzal]

But you work for Telephoto Technologies which could get heat and then what, that's the 100.00 question
If that happened I would beat them to the punch and quit.

[beertapper]

BANACEK:

LINK2BET.COM just recently added HASTINGS PARK to their betting menu. I'm a Canadian resident and have an account with LINK2BET. Also, they pay me a weekly rebate (which is a higher percentage than the measly rebate that HPI offers). If you're interested, just send them an email and ask them if they can offer you a decent rebate. If you like what they offer, be prepared to let them know your average weekly betting total.

Feel free to list me as a referrer if you wish. You know, the old WIN-WIN scenario? If you can get a decent rebate for wagering HASTINGS PARK races through LINK2BET, I could earn a referral reward.

T2W

T2W, how easy it is to deposit and withdraw funds to link2bet? and do you wager in CAD dollars on link2bet? i use betfair sometimes, and they are very good but don't offer hastings park normally. i saw it once late last year on their system.

[beertapper]

abit OT, but I read an article that said Fraser Downs and Hastings would at some point merge into 1 track.

[trying2win]

T2W, how easy it is to deposit and withdraw funds to link2bet? and do you wager in CAD dollars on link2bet? i use betfair sometimes, and they are very good but don't offer hastings park normally. i saw it once late last year on their system.

BEERTAPPER:

At LINK2BET, for deposits I use my VISA card. For withdrawals, I've gotten paid by cheque in the past.

Just recently, they have changed the withdrawal method to a bank transfer. I know there is no service charge for using your VISA card. I'm assuming there is no service charge for a bank transfer either, although I haven't used that method yet. In one part of their website, they mention that they will cover bank charges up to $40 using this method for American customers. I'm assuming they'd do the same for Canadian residents, but I'd recommend sending them an email first to find out.

--LINK2BET requires that you wager in American dollars.

--LINK2BET is the most generous of all the ADWS I've used, although PTC was pretty generous too when Ian Meyers was at the helm. A few examples of LINK2BET'S generosity that I've encountered:

1. In my opinion, that 2009 Christmas promotion of their matching offer of up to a $500 deposit for a limited time, was super. And the only limitation they had before you could withdraw funds was a 1 X rollover. Where else can you find that kind of deal?

2. I once inquired why there was a delay in getting a payment to me, when they used to implement a credit to your VISA card. They apologized for the delay, and lo and behold as an 'appeasement' for my disappointment, they added a $100 credit to my account!

3. Just a short while ago this year, for me trying out their new 'EASY 2 BET' method on their website, and giving my opinions about it, they added another credit of $50.

4. They offer referral bonuses too if you recommend their website to anyone, and if that person opens an account at LINK2BET (details on their website).

5. They pay me a weekly rebate.

--LINK2BET is not the only betting site I use, but I feel it certainly is worthwhile having it in my portfolio of wagering sites to use.

T2W
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~"You don't have a money problem, you have an idea problem."

--Robert H. Schuller

[46zilzal]

abit OT, but I read an article that said Fraser Downs and Hastings would at some point merge into 1 track.
BOTH sides are wondering who will win that .......retiring judge at the former race track said he has no idea which will. QUOTE: "I am glad I am getting out of this game while it is still the way I remember it."

Governmental report is where the fusion idea comes from http://www.leftcoastracing.com/article/218/a-new-approach-for-racing-in-bc

...Doesn't matter however since the MBA's are pushing the casinos over the racing and a mass exodus will occur in a few years as several contracts between horsemen and administration are coming up.

EVERY place where there is a casino, the powers that be are seeing which one takes more $$$$$ to maintain. Make a deal with the devil and guess who always wins?

[beertapper]

thanks trying2win.... i may check it out sometime if HPI pisses me off some more. The one advantage they have is being able to withdraw funds easily.

have you every tried other adw's like Betamerica or Totebet?

BEERTAPPER:

At LINK2BET, for deposits I use my VISA card. For withdrawals, I've gotten paid by cheque in the past.

Just recently, they have changed the withdrawal method to a bank transfer. I know there is no service charge for using your VISA card. I'm assuming there is no service charge for a bank transfer either, although I haven't used that method yet. In one part of their website, they mention that they will cover bank charges up to $40 using this method for American customers. I'm assuming they'd do the same for Canadian residents, but I'd recommend sending them an email first to find out.

--LINK2BET requires that you wager in American dollars.

--LINK2BET is the most generous of all the ADWS I've used, although PTC was pretty generous too when Ian Meyers was at the helm. A few examples of LINK2BET'S generosity that I've encountered:

1. In my opinion, that 2009 Christmas promotion of their matching offer of up to a $500 deposit for a limited time, was super. And the only limitation they had before you could withdraw funds was a 1 X rollover. Where else can you find that kind of deal?

2. I once inquired why there was a delay in getting a payment to me, when they used to implement a credit to your VISA card. They apologized for the delay, and lo and behold as an 'appeasement' for my disappointment, they added a $100 credit to my account!

3. Just a short while ago this year, for me trying out their new 'EASY 2 BET' method on their website, and giving my opinions about it, they added another credit of $50.

4. They offer referral bonuses too if you recommend their website to anyone, and if that person opens an account at LINK2BET (details on their website).

5. They pay me a weekly rebate.

--LINK2BET is not the only betting site I use, but I feel it certainly is worthwhile having it in my portfolio of wagering sites to use.

T2W
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~"You don't have a money problem, you have an idea problem."

--Robert H. Schuller

[Peter Allen]

Just to confirm that Totebet.com offers Hastings and we are able to offer player incentives to those playing on this track.

Do PM me if you'd like any further details.