Which is the most poorly run racing in America. CA, KY, or NY?

[Moyers Pond]

This should be a poll question, but opinion with comments matters more, because anyone can just click a button.

CA is run by idiots but they would be fine if they went back to dirt and the fields would get much larger. Overall they have a problem that can be easily fixed.

In NY they need to tear down that disgrace they call Aqueduct, sell off the very expensive land and race at Belmont 9 months a year. The NY state government is a joke and NYRA is run by idiots that already pissed through a $100 million payment they got when they got their new franchise. Any non-profit gambling operation that gets 25 year deals after being corrupt and incompetent for years really should get the award for most poorly run racing, but....

KY wins the award because they simply let hundreds of million in dollars go to Indiana because they have a legislature that is run by some idiot that gets money from Indiana casinos. If KY can't figure out that their poor state needs slots to keep going KY racing deserves to die.

For the record, FL does racing right. The racing might not be as good year round, but rarely do you hear the people at Calder, Tampa, and Gulfstream crying like little kids because of their own incompetence and corruption.

[FenceBored]

This should be a poll question, but opinion with comments matters more, because anyone can just click a button.

CA is run by idiots but they would be fine if they went back to dirt and the fields would get much larger. Overall they have a problem that can be easily fixed.

In NY they need to tear down that disgrace they call Aqueduct, sell off the very expensive land and race at Belmont 9 months a year. The NY state government is a joke and NYRA is run by idiots that already pissed through a $100 million payment they got when they got their new franchise. Any non-profit gambling operation that gets 25 year deals after being corrupt and incompetent for years really should get the award for most poorly run racing, but....

KY wins the award because they simply let hundreds of million in dollars go to Indiana because they have a legislature that is run by some idiot that gets money from Indiana casinos. If KY can't figure out that their poor state needs slots to keep going KY racing deserves to die.

For the record, FL does racing right. The racing might not be as good year round, but rarely do you hear the people at Calder, Tampa, and Gulfstream crying like little kids because of their own incompetence and corruption.

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Where have you been the past few years?

[Robert Goren]

I was wondering the same thing.

[Moyers Pond]

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Where have you been the past few years?

The fans complain, not the people running the operations.

[therussmeister]

How is California going to get the fields to grow?

Not being contentious; just don't know.

[OTM Al]

I see we forgot our meds again today

[Robert Goren]

The fans complain, not the people running the operations. What planet do you live on? Whatever planet it is, Florida is not on it. They have been fighting over dates since before I was born.

[dylbert]

Is there well-run racing anywhere in United States? Louisiana, where I live, does good job. It embraced video poker, then slots, at its horse racing venues. These changes were executed quickly and without corruption or lengthy delays. States that continue to romanticize horse racing and ignore that it is gaming business will continue to falter. See California, New York, Kentucky...

[cj's dad]

Delaware and West Virginia seem to be doing quite well.

[Robert Goren]

Is there well-run racing anywhere in United States? Louisiana, where I live, does good job. It embraced video poker, then slots, at its horse racing venues. These changes were executed quickly and without corruption or lengthy delays. States that continue to romanticize horse racing and ignore that it is gaming business will continue to falter. See California, New York, Kentucky... No corruption in Louisiana, really?

[Robert Goren]

Q. It is considered in bad taste to discuss two subjects at nudist camps. One is politics, what is the other?
A. Paul Lynde: Tape measures.

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[nearco]

Is there well-run racing anywhere in United States? Louisiana, where I live, does good job. It embraced video poker, then slots, at its horse racing venues. These changes were executed quickly and without corruption or lengthy delays. States that continue to romanticize horse racing and ignore that it is gaming business will continue to falter. See California, New York, Kentucky...

So racing in Louisiana isn't strong enough to support itself and so needs a WELFARE CHECK from slot machines, and that's a good thing?

What really cracks me up is that I bet most posters on here and pretty conservative politically, yet most have no problem with slots artificially propping up racing, which violates just about every free market, laissez faire principle of economics.

If you have two business, one makes a healthy profit, the other hemorrhages money, you take the profits from the one and dump them into the second? Or you spin off, reorganise the second because it's not profitable.
When you think about it, it's basically SOCIALISM, robbing from the rich to give to the poor, subsidizing a failed industry. Kinda like those state run industries in the old Soviet Union.

Why not put effort into making racing a product that appeals to the public and can support itself?

[miesque]

What really cracks me up is that I bet most posters on here and pretty conservative politically, yet most have no problem with slots artificially propping up racing, which violates just about every free market, laissez faire principle of economics.

If you have two business, one makes a healthy profit, the other hemorrhages money, you take the profits from the one and dump them into the second? Or you spin off, reorganise the second because it's not profitable.
When you think about it, it's basically SOCIALISM, robbing from the rich to give to the poor, subsidizing a failed industry. Kinda like those state run industries in the old Soviet Union.

Why not put effort into making racing a product that appeals to the public and can support itself?


Actually I have a very big problem with tracks relying on slots and lets just say that I may inspire several colorful descriptions but hippie liberal is not one of them. :D

Slots are not just "temporary Band-Aid" but in fact far worse for the longer term because they are is fact flat out Welfare and it allows not only a lot of ineffiencies to continue but in some circumstances compounds the problems. I love horse racing but it does not deserve to be Welfare any more then any other enterprise or any person.

[miesque]

I will add one addendum to my comments above and that is the sooner that racing gets out of the "Entitlement" mode, the better off it will be and if it can't shake that mentality it is not going to be pretty.

[chickenhead]

all the tracks that have used their slots money to dramatically increase handles are doing it right.

Oh, wait...

[Zman179]

For the record, FL does racing right. The racing might not be as good year round, but rarely do you hear the people at Calder, Tampa, and Gulfstream crying like little kids because of their own incompetence and corruption.

Is that why I couldn't bet on Calder for something like six months, purses were slashed 50% and Hialeah was kicked to the curb due to constant dates infighting, which resulted in the deregulation of racing dates? God forbid they ever do it wrong.

[FenceBored]

Is that why I couldn't bet on Calder for something like six months, purses were slashed 50% and Hialeah was kicked to the curb due to constant dates infighting, which resulted in the deregulation of racing dates? God forbid they ever do it wrong.

That was because of the fans, not the industry management. Didn't you know that? :rolleyes: :lol:

[Igeteven]

On the face of it, it looks like gold, when you see what is going around, and look at the inside, it's horrible.

If it wasn't by the beach, no one would show up, they have the worst track surface in the nation.

[singletax]

Never been there nor did I ever bet there, but not skewered yet? Is this the best place?

[miesque]

Never been there nor did I ever bet there, but not skewered yet? Is this the best place?


Well I cannot comment about Hawthorne since I have never been there, but if you want a first class experience at an immaculate track with all the modern amenities and a perrenial leader in customer service, you cannot beat Arlington Park. Its a well run ship. I know there are a lot of people who do not like Mr. D, but he has my ultimate respect for creating a fabulous experience for the on-track customer. If I could own one track in the United States it would be Arlington Park and if I built a track from scatch that is pretty much exactly what it would look like (except I would put the turf course on the outside like Woodbine does and of course have much lower takeout then Arlington currently has, that is my only criticism of that track).

[Zman179]

If it wasn't by the beach, no one would show up, they have the worst track surface in the nation.

You mean that they actually go for the races? I thought that the LA phonies just went there to say that they went there...and to drink.

[johnhannibalsmith]

Lester hates everything about California racing and knows the intricacies of every conspiracy - of course he doesn't ever attend racing nor does he even wager into the pools. Right?