Super Bowl

[Marshall Bennett]

Colts ( -5 )

Season : 42-47

[GaryG]

Colts -5 1/2 (maybe I bet too early)

[BetHorses!]

Colts pk -210

Saints +5


shoot for the middle while hoping Colts win :)

[newtothegame]

Saints + 5 1/2....
easy victory for the team of destiny!!!!!

[Lasix67]

Who Dat!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dave Schwartz]

Football - the game they play with the ball that has the points on each end.

Colts -5.5

Under 58.

I got this pick from a "smart guy" I know.

[ElKabong]

Football - the game they play with the ball that has the points on each end.

Colts -5.5

Under 58.

I got this pick from a "smart guy" I know.

Under 58 looks mighty good before the half.

[tribecaagent]

Football - the game they play with the ball that has the points on each end.

Colts -5.5

Under 58.

I got this pick from a "smart guy" I know.

This "smart guy" is exactly that. Looks good on both fronts.

[lamboguy]

This "smart guy" is exactly that. Looks good on both fronts.i think there is no such thing as anything smart about sports betting these days. i quit betting sports 35 years ago because i got no clue.

[Robert Goren]

If you had the colts and +13, you lose.:lol:

[chickenhead]

ballsey call on that on side kick -- well done Saints!

[Grits]

What a FANTASTIC Superbowl . . . . . I MEAN what a fine game. I wanted so BADLY for the Saints to win it.

Didn't miss a pass, a single yard running, or a commercial.

Mardi Gras comes early.........Enjoy!!!!!!

Celebrate, drink and eat well, y'all.

[lamboguy]

What a FANTASTIC Superbowl . . . . . I MEAN what a fine game. I wanted so BADLY for the Saints to win it.

Didn't miss a pass, a single yard running, or a commercial.

Mardi Gras comes early.........Enjoy!!!!!!

Celebrate, drink and eat well, y'all.it was a great game!

[46zilzal]

Good game bad luck but good game

[Robert Goren]

Well, it proved that Payton is not a Deity yet, a designation that some were proclaiming before the game.

[cj]

Horrible pass by Manning sealed their fate. He is a damn good QB, but he is no Johnny U. :D

[cj]

Well, it proved that Payton is not a Deity yet, a designation that some were proclaiming before the game.

Come on man, it is Peyton.

[Investorater]

On any given Sunday anyone can win, though I was for the underdog.

[newtothegame]

Saints + 5 1/2....
easy victory for the team of destiny!!!!!

Sweeetttttttt!!! Awesome job to the Saints....Good game to the colts....

[pandy]

The Super Bowl lines are often off, I've made some of my best bets in the Super Bowl. I'm sure that the Vegas books know that the Saints were at least as good if not better but they also know that the public will over bet Manning and the team that appears to have more playoff experience.

[delayjf]

Hats off to the Saints, their defense lived all year on turnovers and they got a big one today. Man I wish I was on Bourbon St. right about now. That will be one hell of a parade.

[Marshall Bennett]

Great game , but the " Who " were horrible . Those guys need to toss their equipment in a dumpster and find something else to do .

[sandpit]

Great game , but the " Who " were horrible . Those guys need to toss their equipment in a dumpster and find something else to do .

:lol: . You'll love this then: I heard last night that they were working on an album of new material to be released later this year.

[PhantomOnTour]

I posted in an earlier thread that Peyton would not rise to the occasion. He made the mistake, not Brees. I said the Colts have no soul and are an unrighteous franchise. If Irsay owned the Saints he WOULD HAVE LEFT AFTER KATRINA...there's little doubt in that. They left Baltimore in the lurch.
I said that Peyton would be mind f*%ked by the team he adored as a child.

Involved in the interception were:
a) Peyton Manning-raised in New Orleans
b) Reggie Wayne-also raised in New Orleans
c) Tracy Porter-from Port Allen, La (bout 65 miles from New Orleans and across the river from Tiger Stadium in Baton Rouge)

Some blame the pick on Wayne, who may have loafed it a bit on his route.
I told ya'll this wasnt about Xs and Os. This was pre-ordained, there was nothing the Colts could do. You dont have a sinful organization like the Colts beating a holy team like the Saints. Not on this stage.

[headhawg]

I told ya'll this wasnt about Xs and Os. This was pre-ordained, there was nothing the Colts could do. You dont have a sinful organization like the Colts beating a holy team like the Saints. Not on this stage.A holy team? From NO? Home of the French Quarter and Bourbon Street. And Mardi Gras, where babes flash themselves for cheap plastic beads. Really? I heard that Miss Cleo was hooking down there once they let her out of prison... :rolleyes:

[PhantomOnTour]

Its not Mardi Gras...its LOMBARDI GRAS baby!!!!!

Live a little hawg-when you come to New Orleans you will dabble in debauchery as well. Its part of being holy :cool:

[andymays]

The Kendra Wilkinson Upset | TMZ.com

http://www.tmz.com/2010/02/08/the-kendra-wilkinson-upset/

After her husband Hank Baskett dropped the ball on a game-changing onside kick -- arguably blowing the Colts' shot at the Super Bowl -- new mom Kendra Wilkinson left the Super Bowl looking visibly upset.


Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2010/02/08/the-kendra-wilkinson-upset/#ixzz0ezFyyJ8R

[Marshall Bennett]

I don't think the fact that some colt's players had roots with New Orleans or the team had anything to do with it . To assume they lost because of that is insane . They were simply outplayed by a better team that day .

[rastajenk]

Out-coached, too. If I were a Colts' fan, I'd be pretty pissed at some of the decision-making that went on last night.

[Hank]

Drew Brees completed 82% of his passes in the super bowl, had 2 tds no picks or turnovers of any kind and was named mvp as his team won the super bowl,not bad for a guy accused of being a "deer in the headlights" choker by several mouthbreathers here before the super bowl.:rolleyes:

[pandy]

The year Brees had rates as one of the greatest single season performances of any QB in history, he set a record with over 70% completions (and he does not throw 5 yard passes like the all-time highest percentage passer, Chad Pennington.) Pretty amazing when you consider that he doesn't even have a strong arm and isn't tall (by today's standards).

[Pace Cap'n]

Out-coached, too. If I were a Colts' fan, I'd be pretty pissed at some of the decision-making that went on last night.

Makes you wonder who was really coaching the Colts. Did you notice when they came up with a fourth & two just across midfield, Manning immediately signaled "go for it" without even looking over to the bench.

[headhawg]

Drew Brees completed 82% of his passes in the super bowl, had 2 tds no picks or turnovers of any kind and was named mvp as his team won the super bowl,not bad for a guy accused of being a "deer in the headlights" choker by several mouthbreathers here before the super bowl.:rolleyes:You make one lucky call this year and you're bragging. Fine. Next year -- put your money where your mouth is. I will take it each and every week. Based on your assessment of the Saints in the NFC Championship game you don't really know anything about the NFL so it's ez money for me. So put up or STFU.

[delayjf]

Pretty amazing when you consider that he doesn't even have a strong arm and isn't tal

His arm looked strong enough to me.

Horrible pass by Manning sealed their fate

I'm not sure if it was a horrible pass or the receiver let up on the route.

[rastajenk]

I'm pretty sure it was the latter.

[strapper]

The national media got this game so wrong. All the member of the Who Dat nation knew that and we were proven correct Sunday. The better team won, the Colts didn't lose it - the Saints WON it - and they will be even more powerful next year. Wait and see. :)

[Rookies]

Headhog:

Let's have a wee "contest" here next year. I just nailed a Regular Season and Playoff pool, so I'm confident.

Any system- Straight up all, All ATS, Top 5 ( 5-4-3-2-1), etc. Invite ALL the pigeons ( errr... Forum members). ;)

[newtothegame]

Headhog:

Let's have a wee "contest" here next year. I just nailed a Regular Season and Playoff pool, so I'm confident.

Any system- Straight up all, All ATS, Top 5 ( 5-4-3-2-1), etc. Invite ALL the pigeons ( errr... Forum members). ;)

I would be more then willing to participate.....just post the rules up front...maybe one of the administrators can remember this...(as the years go by I have trouble remembering last month lol)....
I would even go so far as to say if ya like, we can place a "small" wager like the governors and represenatives do. For example...if I were to lose, to the winner would go maybe a king cake package??? Local flavor of New Orleans !!!!
:)

[delayjf]

and they will be even more powerful next year. Wait and see.

What makes you say that?

[headhawg]

Headhog:

Let's have a wee "contest" here next year. I just nailed a Regular Season and Playoff pool, so I'm confident.

Any system- Straight up all, All ATS, Top 5 ( 5-4-3-2-1), etc. Invite ALL the pigeons ( errr... Forum members). ;)I'm up for it Rooks. We'll set something up to get the ground rules straight and maybe some kind of "prize package". We'll have to clear things with PA but we can figure something out during the preseason.

[CryingForTheHorses]

What a FANTASTIC Superbowl . . . . . I MEAN what a fine game. I wanted so BADLY for the Saints to win it.

Didn't miss a pass, a single yard running, or a commercial.

Mardi Gras comes early.........Enjoy!!!!!!

Celebrate, drink and eat well, y'all.


I think it was a great superbowl,Glad them poor people have something to smile about again...

[newtothegame]

I think it was a great superbowl,Glad them poor people have something to smile about again...

McSchell.....I hope would you didnt intend that the way it sounded...and maybe I took it out of context a bit. If thats the case, then I apologize....
But I seriously hope you don't take a few news articles or the real injustices that the media portrayed Southern Lousiaiana as several years ago. Not everyone here in southern Louisiana is downtrodden or poor...
I certainly do not consider myself in that category, and I was upset as all get out with the way we were portrayed in the media.
"A proud southerner"
Paul

[NJ Stinks]

The year Brees had rates as one of the greatest single season performances of any QB in history, he set a record with over 70% completions (and he does not throw 5 yard passes like the all-time highest percentage passer, Chad Pennington.) Pretty amazing when you consider that he doesn't even have a strong arm and isn't tall (by today's standards).

Pandy, one thing is for sure. This Super Bowl game in no way illustrates "and he does not throw 5 yard passes like the all-time highest percentage passer, Chad Pennington." Brees had 32 completions for 288 yards. Take away the sack and he was still under 300 on the 32 completions. That's less than 10 yards per catch and the receiver probably gained half of them after the catch.

If Brees threw 5 of his 37 passes twenty yards down field, I would be surprised. I don't think anybody is going to confuse Drew with Daryle Lamonica any time soon - especially off this game.

[newtothegame]

Brees had an OUTSTANDING year......

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Pandy, your speaking to some on here who only see what they want. The facts are above. There is no arguing with facts. The facts are Brees had 58 passes over 20+ and another 11 that went for over 40 yards.
Some people want to look at the superbowl (even though your post clearly said "THE YEAR"....) and talk about the short passing game.
This is exactly why the Saints will continue to win games based on "luck", "divine intervention" etc etc... lol
I find it amazing that its relatively easy to see why the Saints have been successful since 06 and alot of people remained "shocked" (like Dungy). The saints do WHATEVER is necessary to win. If it means 5 yard passes, then so be it. If it means 50 yard bombs, then so be it. If its an all out air attack.....ok, if it means taking chances and kicking onsides kicks in the superbowl...ok.
Most teams try and stop an air attack...or a ground attack...or reggie...or something. This Saints team has ALL the weaponry from an offensive perspective.
And I so can't wait till this years draft when we upgrade the defense even more. I know I know...the saints are down right terrible defensively...(even considering they held the NFL's poster boy and his team to 17 points on the largest stage possible)..."But, but...they gave up over 320 yards in the air...."

Yep..sure did...! :)

[CryingForTheHorses]

McSchell.....I hope would you didnt intend that the way it sounded...and maybe I took it out of context a bit. If thats the case, then I apologize....
But I seriously hope you don't take a few news articles or the real injustices that the media portrayed Southern Lousiaiana as several years ago. Not everyone here in southern Louisiana is downtrodden or poor...
I certainly do not consider myself in that category, and I was upset as all get out with the way we were portrayed in the media.
"A proud southerner"
Paul

I think you did take it the wrong way..When I said "poor",I meant it to be because of all the flooding from katrina,They lost everything..I also remember people living in the superdome...They have had it rough for the last few years

[newtothegame]

I think you did take it the wrong way..When I said "poor",I meant it to be because of all the flooding from katrina,They lost everything..I also remember people living in the superdome...They have had it rough for the last few years

Thanks for clearing that up for me...and again I apologize that I took it wrong.....
My apologies again :)

[pandy]

They did keep the passes short in the Super Bowl but I think part of the game plan was to control the clock. I thought that the Saints took over the game in the 2nd quarter when they had the ball almost the entire quarter. The short passing game kept the clock moving, kept moving the chains, and kept Manning on the sidelines where he can't do any damage. But Brees can certainly hit the long passes too. If they improve their defense in the off season, dynasty? But I still think that the Vikings are the best team in football and if they are healthy next year, they are the team to beat, especially if Farve plays again and performs like he did this season.

[headhawg]

Dynasty? Are you guys kidding me? They barely made it to the SB and you want to put them in the same category as the Patriots, the NFL's most recent dynasty? The Steelers have also won two SBs in recent years. Are you eating that cajun food or smoking it?

My take on the game:

Yes, the 2nd quarter was huge for NO as they did keep the ball away from Manning. But Indy was outcoached first before I would say that they were outplayed. The decision by Caldwell to run the ball three times after their defense stopped the Saints at the goal line on 4th down was just asinine. Twice yes. Understandable given their success running the ball and their field position. But you have one of the best 3rd down conversion QBs possibly ever and you don't throw for the first down? Stupid. Trying to run out the clock is not Indy's game so trying to do so was a ridiculous decision, imo. The Saints wound up kicking a FG anyway, so instead of Indy being at least seven points ahead NO closes the gap. Huge momentum swing.

The opening of the 2nd half was also huge. That was a great, gutsy call by Payton no doubt about it. If it doesn't work he might be considered the biggest asshat in the history of the SB but it did and it surprised nearly everyone. Hard to say that Caldwell was outcoached there so let's just say the the "hands" guy on Indy doesn't really have any so he might be looking for work.

Why does Caldwell try a 51 yard field goal? Another terrible coaching decision.

And the Freeney injury really cost the Colts. (Reggie Wayne also didn't look 100%. ) They really did not have any kind of pass rush without him. I think that Brees' numbers look a little different (maybe a lot different) if Freeney's healthy but that's just speculation.

So congrats to the Saints and to those of you who backed them, but this dynasty talk is very premature.

[delayjf]

My problem with the Saints repeating is their lack of defense. Statistically they rank in the bottom of the league defensively and are overly dependant on turn overs. The problem with that is sometimes you just don't get them. The Dallas go shows what can happen to the Saints when they don't get turn overs. The Viking game shows the opposite - 5 turnovers led to a overtime win. But how many times are you going to get 5 turnovers in a game?

[newtothegame]

My problem with the Saints repeating is their lack of defense. Statistically they rank in the bottom of the league defensively and are overly dependant on turn overs. The problem with that is sometimes you just don't get them. The Dallas go shows what can happen to the Saints when they don't get turn overs. The Viking game shows the opposite - 5 turnovers led to a overtime win. But how many times are you going to get 5 turnovers in a game?

Delay....if I may, let me ask a question......would you consider a top ten defense worthy of respect? Before ya answer, I would suggest you look back to maybe week 6 (before the saints secondary started having all of the injuries). you will find, that they were ranked anywhere between 6 and 9 overall. Now before ya say "well every team has injuries and you can't use that, then I would suggest to you that the Freeney injury shouldnt of played a role in Brees' numbers. The fact of the matter is injuries do affect teams. They affect the way teams play, schemes they run, and knowing what they can and cant do. When healthy, the saints were a TOP TEN DEFENSE....the facts are there for those who wish to look.

As to turn overs, I would have a different take on it. Everyone looks at the Minnesota game (as it is most recent) and claims the Saints got lucky. I would suggest to you that it is more then luck. It is in the training. It is in the way they practice, and for lack of a better cliche', it is what they live eat and breathe.
Look at the numbers....During the regular season,
26 Interceptions which 5 resulted in TD's
15 Forced Fumbles which 3 resulted in TD's
post season...
4 Interceptions and 1 TD
5 Forced fumbles 0 TD's
Thats not a one game mirage as people would have ya believe with the minnesota game. Thats week in and week out. P.S those numbers came directly from NFL.com
But, my point is that takeaways are indeed taught. Its an art at which the saints have become good at.

[Hank]

You make one lucky call this year and you're bragging. Fine. Next year -- put your money where your mouth is. I will take it each and every week. Based on your assessment of the Saints in the NFC Championship game you don't really know anything about the NFL so it's ez money for me. So put up or STFU.

Yeah, just like your colts -5 nose dive in the superbowl.:lol:

[headhawg]

So it doesn't appear that you'll shut up, so how about it? What? No balls? No surprise there. So then to you I say the initials for Florida University...

[newtothegame]

So it doesn't appear that you'll shut up, so how about it? What? No balls? No surprise there. So then to you I say the initials for Florida University...

Is it safe to assume Hawg you weren't referring to and therefore intentionally left out (A&M) lol?

Hmmm so its not FAMU??? lol

[pandy]

There's no question that the Saints are coached to try to create turnovers, they go for the ball and they are good at it.

[PhantomOnTour]

Bobby Hebert nicknamed the Saints defense The Strip Club because theyre in New Orleans and the D causes a lot of fumbles.

[Quagmire]

The Saints were ahead in the game before they got there first turnover in the 4th quarter. They would have won even without that pick six.

[headhawg]

They would have won even without that pick six.How can you possibly know that???? The Saints were up seven with the Colts driving to tie. Some of the things posted here are simply amazing.

Is it safe to assume Hawg you weren't referring to and therefore intentionally left out (A&M) lol?

Hmmm so its not FAMU??? lolHow about Farmington University instead? :D

[Quagmire]

How can you possibly know that???? The Saints were up seven with the Colts driving to tie. Some of the things posted here are simply amazing.


The mighty Colts scored 7 points in the last 3 quarters.

[ghostyapper]

The Saints were ahead in the game before they got there first turnover in the 4th quarter. They would have won even without that pick six.

Even though it's not officially a turnover an onside kick recovery is basically a turnover.

Without that the saints are probably down 17-6 and its then an entirely different game which I doubt they win.

[Quagmire]

Even though it's not officially a turnover an onside kick recovery is basically a turnover.

Without that the saints are probably down 17-6 and its then an entirely different game which I doubt they win.

Good point. The Colts missing that long FG and giving the Saints a short field was where they lost the game in my opinion.

[delayjf]

I would suggest you look back to maybe week 6 (before the saints secondary started having all of the injuries). you will find, that they were ranked anywhere between 6 and 9 overall. Now before ya say "well every team has injuries and you can't use that, then I would suggest to you that the Freeney injury shouldnt of played a role in Brees' numbers. The fact of the matter is injuries do affect teams. They affect the way teams play, schemes they run, and knowing what they can and cant do. When healthy, the saints were a TOP TEN DEFENSE....the facts are there for those who wish to look.

Well, according to NFL stats, they ranked 20th in scoring defense, 21st in rushing defense, 25th in pass defense, and 26th in total yards. Every NFL team strives to create turnovers; the Saints are not unique in that respect. There is a difference between playing great defense and being a great defense. I.E. assuming there are no massive personnel changes, you can count on the Jets having a top rated defense next year – they were #1 this year with a turnover ration of +3. New Orleans’s turnover ratio was + 11 in this year. The year before the Saints were -4, and the year before that they were -7. So this year is hardly a continuation of a trend. If they produce something close to a +11 next year, then there is a good chance they will repeat, but that’s a stat that if tough to repeat.

[Richard]

Whilie I agree with Mr.Goren that PM is not a diety(and personally,I think no one will surpass Joe Montana at his peak with the '49'er's),I also believe that the SB ring he wears now will not be the last one he wears.

[Thomas Roulston]

Whilie I agree with Mr.Goren that PM is not a diety(and personally,I think no one will surpass Joe Montana at his peak with the '49'er's),I also believe that the SB ring he wears now will not be the last one he wears.


Well he won't get another one next year: No Super Bowl loser has even gotten to the conference championship game the following year since those Buffalo Bills teams that lost four straight Super Bowls in the early '90s. That's 16 in a row.

If the Ravens get their hands on any kind of deep-threat receiver this off-season, I like them to get there from the AFC - and in the NFC, if you're a "trip handicapper" you absolutely love the Giants: Their defense was tied for 13th in the NFL in 2009 in yards allowed per game, yet they were 30th in points given up. "Bad trips" don't get much worse than that.

[Rookies]

For myself, I'd rate the Top 10 All Time QBs as follows, giving heavy weighting to winning the SB/other Championship:

1) Joe Montana
2) Terry Bradshaw
3) Tom Brady
4) Otto Graham
5) Johnny Unitas
6) Bart Starr
7) Troy Aikman
8) John Elway
9) Peyton Manning
10) Brett Favre

If Brady gets one more, I'd make it a 1 & 1A entry at the top with Joe.

[Robert Goren]

Joe was so great that they named a state after him.;)