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lsosa54
01-15-2010, 10:18 PM
Interesting look at Doug's summary for GP and SA today:

GPX:

Race 1 Rank 2 $11.40

Race 2 Rank 4 $28.40

Race 4 Rank 3 $28.40

Race 6 Rank 1 $17.80

Race 9 Rank 2 $10.60 Place


SAX:

Race 3 Rank 4 $103.40 (Hey, it wasn't last)

Race 5 Rank 2 $11.20

Race 7 Rank 5 $21.80


NOTE TO DOUG: Unless you're intentionally doing something different, the speed points seem to be screwy.

douglasw32
01-16-2010, 10:19 AM
NOTE TO DOUG: Unless you're intentionally doing something different, the speed points seem to be screwy.


Tried making them a little more accurate than the normal formula...it is intentional.

I forgot it was called Wood Ratings, that was a joke for the one buddy of mine that claims software is a waste of time.

Someone give me a better name...

Using them together works well for me... the summary is based on a single, recent paceline, HandiFast is an average of the last 6 no matter the date.

Then of course, as John would say (that's my buddy) Just look at the Racing Form.

however at $7.00 a pop I just look at his.

douglasw32
01-16-2010, 10:26 AM
LROSA-

What do you think about the WR, having calculated fair odds line, of course scratches will throw it off, so we would need to scratch but then, maybe , combining the 2 programs would be easier.

Then how are you doing it (I know your testing)

So if there are 8 horses anything over 8-1 is un acceptable as an overlay?

How do you wager once you find one, I usually (lately) go with what Tom suggested once... 1 Unit to WIN, 3 units to place.

Pcon04
01-16-2010, 11:26 AM
Doug

I like the wood rating keep the name But is there a way to cut down on the

lines around the #'s i print them out in small print on 3 pages so the line

are tight.If not they sell magnifying glasses..

pcon

douglasw32
01-16-2010, 02:17 PM
I will tryh

lsosa54
01-16-2010, 07:26 PM
Nice follow up in the feature@ GP today. Quiet Harbor paid $39.40 and the $2 exacta to Romacaca paid $131.20 as she dead heated for place with Lady Shakespeare :

PR#

WR

HORSE

Style/ES Points

MLO





7

100.6

ROMACACA

_________________________________E 13

8.0



11

98.8

QUIET HARBOR

_________S 7

12.0



3

97.5

NEHANTIC KAT

____________P 8

12.0



10

95.5

MEADOW SAFFRON

_______________________________E 11

12.0



2

95.3

BELLE ALLURE

_____________P 9

3.5



6

94.1

LADY SHAKESPEARE

__________S 8

6.0



12

92.1

WEST OCEAN

____________________E/P12

12.0



1

90.8

SCOLARA

______S 4

4.0



4

88.9

BLUEGRASS PRINCESS

_________________E/P9

15.0



8

87.5

OUR DAHLIA

__________________E/P10

20.0



5

87.4

LOMAKI

_______________E/P7

15.0



9

83.2

MADDY'S HEART

______________E/P6

20.0



13

82.2

BACKSEAT RHYTHM

___________S 9

6.0

douglasw32
01-17-2010, 11:49 PM
Take a look at los alamitos for tonight so far....

dartman51
01-18-2010, 01:33 AM
I thought it did at AQU today was more impressive. :ThmbUp:

douglasw32
01-18-2010, 06:17 AM
Do share...

Vinnie
01-18-2010, 09:41 AM
Take a look at los alamitos for tonight so far....


Hello Doug:

I just wanted to ask, do you think that the WR ratings are viable in giving the user a pretty solid feel for the Quarter Horse races for both Routes of say 4.5 furlongs and the dashes of 200 to 350 yards? Just curious. I don't have a good tool for playing the QH's right now and I am desperately looking for one... :)

Have a nice holiday Doug.

lsosa54
01-18-2010, 11:20 AM
Take a look at los alamitos for tonight so far....

Didn't download Los Al, Doug, but the 3 double digit mutuels were at 4.5f, 220 yds, and 3f. WR doesn't handle 220 yds. and 3f, does it? Not even sure it handles 4.5f.

BTW, what changed in WR2?

Vinnie
01-18-2010, 11:36 AM
Not to piggyback on to lsosa54's post, but, Doug, could you make WR to be able to handle the distances for the Quarter Horse races like Lsosa54 mentions? It would be awesome if it could handle distances such as 220, 300, 3f and 4.5 furlong races.. That would be too cool.. :)

dartman51
01-18-2010, 01:40 PM
Do share...

Doug,
Here is yesterday's WR ratings @ AQU. I also thew in Handi's AQU also, using the default ratings for comparision. :ThmbUp:

Tom

mmdorn
01-18-2010, 01:55 PM
Hi,

Why are my Wood Ratings different than yours? See attached.

Roger
01-18-2010, 03:08 PM
Hi,

Why are my Wood Ratings different than yours? See attached.



WOW.. :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

headhawg
01-18-2010, 04:07 PM
Is there more than one version, the original and v2?

Roger
01-18-2010, 04:47 PM
Only one that i'm aware of! WR V1.

Jingle
01-18-2010, 05:22 PM
Could someone be so kind to explain how you remove scratches in Doug's Program? Also, is there a value line--I thought I saw that mentioned in one of the threads. Also, how do you convert file to PDF.

Thanks

Roger
01-18-2010, 05:45 PM
In regards to PDF...I use Cute PDF writer...www.cutepdf.com/

Works well for me...Print to Cute PDF wherever you want it...desktop etc!
Good Luck
Roger,

Roger
01-18-2010, 05:51 PM
In regards to PDF...I use Cute PDF writer...www.cutepdf.com/

Works well for me...Print to Cute PDF wherever you want it...desktop etc!
Good Luck
Roger,



It is Freeware BTW!

mmdorn
01-18-2010, 05:52 PM
Doug,
Here is yesterday's WR ratings @ AQU. I also thew in Handi's AQU also, using the default ratings for comparision. :ThmbUp:

Tom

Hi Dartman,

When I used the wood ratings for Aqu 01/17/2010 I got totally different ratings than you did. How is that possible? Both files are attached, take a look and see what you think.

Thanks,

Mike

lsosa54
01-18-2010, 07:23 PM
Hi,

Why are my Wood Ratings different than yours? See attached.

I'm with you - I thought the mutuels in the 4th and 9th races out of the #2 ranks were excellent.

lsosa54
01-18-2010, 07:27 PM
Only one that i'm aware of! WR V1.

Doug's site now has WR2.exe. The original was just WR.exe, so there may have been some changes made. I used WR2 for AQU as I noticed it and downloaded it yesterday.

lsosa54
01-18-2010, 07:39 PM
I'm with you - I thought the mutuels in the 4th and 9th races out of the #2 ranks were excellent.

Re-looking at it, I've got the 9th race winner ranked 2nd which is different from Mike (5th after scratches) who is different from Dart (ranked 9th). Mike and I have the 4th race winner ranked 2nd while Dart has him 3rd.

Roger
01-18-2010, 08:37 PM
[QUOTE=lsosa54]Doug's site now has WR2.exe. The original was just WR.exe, so there may have been some changes made. I used WR2 for AQU as I noticed it and downloaded it yesterday.[/QUOTE

Would someone point me in the direction of WR2...I thought i had the latest..Mine say's v1....Thank's :confused:

lsosa54
01-18-2010, 09:40 PM
[QUOTE=lsosa54]Doug's site now has WR2.exe. The original was just WR.exe, so there may have been some changes made. I used WR2 for AQU as I noticed it and downloaded it yesterday.[/QUOTE

Would someone point me in the direction of WR2...I thought i had the latest..Mine say's v1....Thank's :confused:

http://hitechslocal.com/handifast/

douglasw32
01-18-2010, 10:17 PM
Dartman and others, this is an interesting development...

Dartman is obviously using the very first one I made, before I made it use just a single paceline.

If he would be so kind as to mail it back to me I will post them both and we can compare, however it looks like this one day at AQU however, the flawed approach of an average has beat up on the flawed approach of a single distance rated paceline.

rename the .exe file to anything like .old and zip up the folder and email it to dwood45@stny.rr.com, and I can repost it for download.

lsosa54
01-18-2010, 10:25 PM
Dartman and others, this is an interesting development...

Dartman is obviously using the very first one I made, before I made it use just a single paceline.

If he would be so kind as to mail it back to me I will post them both and we can compare, however it looks like this one day at AQU however, the flawed approach of an average has beat up on the flawed approach of a single distance rated paceline.

rename the .exe file to anything like .old and zip up the folder and email it to dwood45@stny.rr.com, and I can repost it for download.

So you are saying WR2 averages pacelines and was more effective than WR this day? Light would be horrified. Why did you change the initial single paceline approach with WR?

It's also a bit strange that the 3 of us had different rankings, esp. the 9th race.

dartman51
01-19-2010, 12:26 AM
Doug, I just sent you the entire program back in a zip file. This is confussing. :confused: I am using the MCP files, if it makes any difference.

Tom

dartman51
01-19-2010, 01:04 AM
Here are the results from today's AQU. Some difference. Both picked the $22.80 winner on top in the last race. You guys can draw your own conclusion.

mmdorn
01-19-2010, 08:55 AM
It looks like I was using wood ratings V2 and Dartman was using V1 and that is why my numbers were different from his. His numbers for Aqu 1/18/10 with V2 agree to my numbers with V2. The reports in both versions say it is V1. I would now like to get V1 so I can compare the two. Doug, what is the main differences in both versions?

Thanks,

Mike

mmdorn
01-19-2010, 09:07 AM
Doug,

Beside the report in V2 saying it is V1, when the software is executed it also indicates it is V1.


Mike

douglasw32
01-19-2010, 09:15 AM
No the exact opposite, the first one used the average. Both show merit, the 1st one lines itself up with handifast. I will correct the naming and post both.

And light made it clear using only distance for selscting pacelines is not the way he would handle it. I just did not get to refining it more yet.

headhawg
01-19-2010, 09:53 AM
And light made it clear using only distance for selscting pacelines is not the way he would handle it. Light did not invent paceline selection so I am not sure why you keep invoking his name. There were a lot of people in that thread who contributed solid ideas about selecting pacelines. I'm unclear whether you are doing this to appease him or prove him wrong, not that it matters. It's your thread but it seems that you are giving way more credit than is due. How about calling the versions WR-A (for averaging) and WR-P (for paceline)?

mmdorn
01-19-2010, 10:43 AM
Hi Doug,

Please tell me what is the basic difference between your fast numbers and wood rating numbers?

Thanks,

Mike

dartman51
01-19-2010, 10:51 AM
Here are some more from yesterday for comparison.

dartman51
01-19-2010, 10:52 AM
And 1 more. ;)

douglasw32
01-19-2010, 10:56 AM
Light did not invent paceline selection so I am not sure why you keep invoking his name. There were a lot of people in that thread who contributed solid ideas about selecting pacelines. I'm unclear whether you are doing this to appease him or prove him wrong, not that it matters. It's your thread but it seems that you are giving way more credit than is due. How about calling the versions WR-A (for averaging) and WR-P (for paceline)?

I am neither trying to ignore others ideas or prove anyone wrong or right, I responded to Light and I am just continuing to do so like it is an ongoing conversation.

And I agree I think I will label them as average and paceline.

I am big on consensus and now maybe with the three of them, wr-a, wr-p, and handifast, I can throw in one other source and have my 4 selector consensus ?

douglasw32
01-19-2010, 10:57 AM
Hi Doug,

Please tell me what is the basic difference between your fast numbers and wood rating numbers?

Thanks,

Mike

Everything, seriously...they have little to do with each other.

Vinnie
01-19-2010, 02:36 PM
Hello Doug:

I hope that you are doing well? Doug, I don't know if you happened to have read my previous post, but, is there a way to use the "Woods Ratings" on the QH races say for Los Al? Will the program average the last 6 or use paceline selection for the Quarter Horse races in its present form and at the normal distances of say 1.4, 1.8 or 4.5 furlongs? Thanks Doug. I really hope so because I would love to utilize the WR program when watching Los Alamitos.

Have a Great afternoon and evening Doug.

All the BEST! :)

douglasw32
01-19-2010, 04:11 PM
Hello Doug:

I hope that you are doing well? Doug, I don't know if you happened to have read my previous post, but, is there a way to use the "Woods Ratings" on the QH races say for Los Al? Will the program average the last 6 or use paceline selection for the Quarter Horse races in its present form and at the normal distances of say 1.4, 1.8 or 4.5 furlongs? Thanks Doug. I really hope so because I would love to utilize the WR program when watching Los Alamitos.

Have a Great afternoon and evening Doug.

All the BEST! :)

I have not tried it enough to be sure but it should produce a figure regardless of distance, let me look into it more and get back to you.

douglasw32
01-19-2010, 04:12 PM
It looks like I was using wood ratings V2 and Dartman was using V1 and that is why my numbers were different from his. His numbers for Aqu 1/18/10 with V2 agree to my numbers with V2. The reports in both versions say it is V1. I would now like to get V1 so I can compare the two. Doug, what is the main differences in both versions?

Thanks,

Mike

Version 1 and 2 uploaded at the normal link.
http://localpcpros.com/handifast/

The reports will both be labeled version 1 until I can correct that.

BIG HIT
01-19-2010, 04:19 PM
With all setting at zero.Pick or hhxv2 picked top4 13 of 29 longshot race just with cc\ps\pwr that i think is amazing plus five different track's.Realize back fitting but then there were no setting out side of above.Can someone explain it please sure seem like holy grail lol

Vinnie
01-19-2010, 06:30 PM
Thanks a bunch Doug. I appreciate it...

permenbg
01-19-2010, 08:20 PM
how does wr-a and wr-p fit in ...

permenbg

lsosa54
01-19-2010, 08:24 PM
With all setting at zero.Pick or hhxv2 picked top4 13 of 29 longshot race just with cc\ps\pwr that i think is amazing plus five different track's.Realize back fitting but then there were no setting out side of above.Can someone explain it please sure seem like holy grail lol

Your sample is small but they can be strong ratings. Another user who looked at 106 races but I think for the winner only found P-s and PWR to be one of the strongest factors along with PC, but C-C not so much.

Maybe HH can refresh our memory on what PWR is - I thought a combo of C-C and P-S but it could be adjusting the FAST fig by those 2 factors.

In any case, I'll repost the definitions from HH, the creator:

The C-C rating is a combination of EPS, Win%, and ITM%, calculated for all horses, and then standardized in a range between 60 - 100. They are then weighted in this manner: .4 * EPSscore + .3 * Win%score + .3 * ITM%score. The EPS isn't exactly a true earnings per start but rather a modified version that Bill Quirin wrote about.

The P-S score is Doug's EP and AvgSpeed rating, also standardized as above, and then weighted .6 * EP + .4 * AvgSpeed for sprints, and weighted 50-50 for routes. It's not exactly the way that Mitchell did it, but close enough.

lsosa54
01-19-2010, 08:25 PM
It looks like I was using wood ratings V2 and Dartman was using V1 and that is why my numbers were different from his. His numbers for Aqu 1/18/10 with V2 agree to my numbers with V2. The reports in both versions say it is V1. I would now like to get V1 so I can compare the two. Doug, what is the main differences in both versions?

Thanks,

Mike

Still doesn't explain why our R9's at AQU were different, pointing me to a high priced winner ranked 2nd, unless you were using something other than the BRIS $1 file.

headhawg
01-19-2010, 10:21 PM
Maybe HH can refresh our memory on what PWR is - I thought a combo of C-C and P-S but it could be adjusting the FAST fig by those 2 factors.Yes your memory is correct about the combo. PWR is weighted 60-40 for sprints and 50-50 for routes. Mitchell thought that Pace/Speed was slightly more important for sprints than routes, hence the different weighting.

douglasw32
01-19-2010, 10:37 PM
how does wr-a and wr-p fit in ...

permenbg

Just an add-on of the open source code.
Anyone can obtain and modify it.

lsosa54
01-19-2010, 10:56 PM
Doug: So WR-A is averaging the last 6 lines like Handifast and WR-P is choosing the best of the last 6 at the distance structure and surface for now?

douglasw32
01-19-2010, 10:57 PM
Hello Doug:

I hope that you are doing well? Doug, I don't know if you happened to have read my previous post, but, is there a way to use the "Woods Ratings" on the QH races say for Los Al? Will the program average the last 6 or use paceline selection for the Quarter Horse races in its present form and at the normal distances of say 1.4, 1.8 or 4.5 furlongs? Thanks Doug. I really hope so because I would love to utilize the WR program when watching Los Alamitos.

Have a Great afternoon and evening Doug.

All the BEST! :)

As far as I can tell it is ranking them, it looks odd and "broke" because the figure will show up much smaller, and the running style is not displayed.

This is due to the limited information in the bris file, however what is there still gets calculated and the horses still get rated so it should work.

This seems to hold true in all of the programs, handifast, and wr

Let us know what you find in using it.

dartman51
01-20-2010, 12:55 AM
Vinnie, in answer to your question, YES, WR works with QH. Check the attached file for HIA. Especially look at the 5th race.

dartman51
01-20-2010, 01:07 AM
Doug, you are definately on the right track. Check out today at PHA. Take a good look at the 9th race. A 6 horse field, and WR had the entire field in order. :ThmbUp: You guys are doing a GREAT JOB.

BIG HIT
01-20-2010, 08:00 AM
Isosa 54 for youe time and explanation

Vinnie
01-20-2010, 11:36 AM
Doug and dartman51:

Thanks for your responses regarding the Quarter Horses and the effective use of Handifast and WR when utilizing the BRIS files. I will keep track of my findings using each and I will let you know what sorts of results they yield. :)

Thanks again guys.

Have a great day.

hracingplyr
01-20-2010, 11:41 AM
If anyone can post the wr2 for aqu would enjoy seeing them

dartman51
01-20-2010, 11:53 AM
If anyone can post the wr2 for aqu would enjoy seeing them


With Doug's permission, I will put up today's AQU. :)

douglasw32
01-20-2010, 11:24 PM
Not sure of PA's rules but I see no harm in posting. PA ?
I think technically you would violate the terms of use from bris, since it is a derivative of there data, and you would not be downloading the file.

It would be just as easy to download the progrma and run your own file through it.... bris's craziness not mine ?

douglasw32
01-20-2010, 11:26 PM
Doug, you are definitely on the right track. Check out today at PHA. Take a good look at the 9th race. A 6 horse field, and WR had the entire field in order. :ThmbUp: You guys are doing a GREAT JOB.

Crazy stuff ! I am still waiting for it to select a pick-6

So was this with the single paceline or the averages? what did the other one produce?

dartman51
01-21-2010, 12:17 AM
Crazy stuff ! I am still waiting for it to select a pick-6

So was this with the single paceline or the averages? what did the other one produce?

Doug, that was with WR2. This is with WR1. As you can see, WR2 did a MUCH better job. :ThmbUp:

dartman51
01-21-2010, 12:27 AM
This is how WR2 did today at the 3 tracks that I looked at.

dartman51
01-21-2010, 12:34 AM
here are the same 3 tracks done with HandiFast default settings.

dartman51
01-21-2010, 12:54 AM
In the 3 tracks using Handi, there were 27 races. 12 winners on top for 44.44% win rate. $71.90 return on $54 invested is 33% ROI. Not bad with default settings and no user decision other than how much to bet. STRONG posibilities here. :ThmbUp:

BIG HIT
01-21-2010, 01:59 PM
Thanks dartman for post above vrey interesting.Okay i posted earlyier saying had 13 of 19 races after zero out all setting.Now don't know if that is true.?
Because even though i can't set cc,ps,pwr to zero when click on them seperately the horse is no where to be found.Below is what have for top four. When frist click opn
ML Fair odds all same 98 PTS all zero
6\1
30\1
4\1
20\1
Question what am i reading.?

Handiman
01-21-2010, 06:05 PM
Did a contest today and used Handifast with defaults at Oaklawn. The 6th race just finished. The program's top rated horse #7 Teton Dancer went off at 25-1 I just couldn't take a top rated horse at 25-1 and I helped write the program...

Finish

7....$52.80...$25.60...$10.20
5............... $13.00...$5.60
3 .......................... $3.20

What do I know...apparently nothing...:bang: :lol:

handi

Vinnie
01-21-2010, 07:12 PM
Handi:

WHOA!! What else can you say? :) Thanks for posting such an awesome result. I hope that you enjoyed your contest, but, most importantly of all, I truly hope that you are feeling much better.

Have a terrific evening Handi.

Zaf
01-21-2010, 07:16 PM
Did a contest today and used Handifast with defaults at Oaklawn. The 6th race just finished. The program's top rated horse #7 Teton Dancer went off at 25-1 I just couldn't take a top rated horse at 25-1 and I helped write the program...

Finish

7....$52.80...$25.60...$10.20
5............... $13.00...$5.60
3 .......................... $3.20

What do I know...apparently nothing...:bang: :lol:

handi

Nice Work :jump:

Z

Handiman
01-21-2010, 08:41 PM
Thanks guys.....I still feel like I just fell out of a horse's rear end. I hate being sick!!!!!

So this is how the Oaklawn day went.

9 races.....top horse won 4...... 44% winners

$18 out Won $64.80 ROI 260%

I post this here because I have been trying to figure out whether to incorporate Doug's WR numbers into my handicapping along with handifast. Any ideas?

Handi :)

Zaf
01-21-2010, 08:47 PM
I think you should just add an extra column to the output , Doug's WR number :)

Z

Pcon04
01-21-2010, 08:54 PM
second that motion!!!

Pcon

dartman51
01-21-2010, 09:43 PM
Did a contest today and used Handifast with defaults at Oaklawn. The 6th race just finished. The program's top rated horse #7 Teton Dancer went off at 25-1 I just couldn't take a top rated horse at 25-1 and I helped write the program...

Finish

7....$52.80...$25.60...$10.20
5............... $13.00...$5.60
3 .......................... $3.20

What do I know...apparently nothing...:bang: :lol:

handi


Handi, NICE ONE. But I don't know how you could pass on that one. Besides having the top FAST #, she also had the top POWER #, the top P-S # 2nd best C-C #, tied for top S1, top S2, top EP in 6f race, 2nd best FM, top PC, and the 3rd best DT rating. All of that and 25-1, WOW!! :ThmbUp:

Vinnie
01-21-2010, 10:32 PM
Right behind Zaf and Pcon04, it would be awesome if Doug would let you incorporate his WR Rating into an additional column of Handifast.

That would be Sweet!! :)

lsosa54
01-21-2010, 10:47 PM
Handi, NICE ONE. But I don't know how you could pass on that one. Besides having the top FAST #, she also had the top POWER #, the top P-S # 2nd best C-C #, tied for top S1, top S2, top EP in 6f race, 2nd best FM, top PC, and the 3rd best DT rating. All of that and 25-1, WOW!! :ThmbUp:

The Aodds Line Score had him ranked 2nd and he was 2nd PRC, which is usually a strong column. The top 5 line scores, which were fairly bunched up, had all the exotics. His Aodds calculated odds were 7 to 1. Heck of an overlay.

lsosa54
01-21-2010, 11:11 PM
Ignore the post above - it has nothing to do with Handi's overlay @ Oak. It was the 6th race at AQU today. No matter the program, just approach it consistently and good value will surface.

Boulder
01-21-2010, 11:49 PM
Just wondering if you are working on Post time daily files for your program? If you could just update Thanks Boulder

Handiman
01-22-2010, 12:40 AM
Boulder,

I haven't done much over the last few days because of the flu. But I hold a contest every Thursday and Sunday where guys can attempt to beat Handi. That's the only reason I even made plays at Oaklawn or anywhere for that matter because of the commitment I have made.

I will be looking more into Post time though. It is going to take a fair amount of additional programming since they have about 5 files to deal with, and the others have everything nicely laid out in one file.

Handi :)

Boulder
01-22-2010, 10:32 AM
Handi, Well I am in the Health care business, and I know the flu has been hitting alot of pockets of the U.S. I hope your getting better. I am not a programmer, so I don't really know what's involved, but A friend of mine uses Mike P. numbers and been handicapping for 40 plus years and writes his own programs and thinks they are superior to anything he ever used. He use to buy Bris and Tsn (50 cent) files. and feels Post time is the best. Get Better first and update me on what you think. Thanks Boulder

Handiman
01-22-2010, 05:32 PM
Boulder,

This crap just keeps holding on and I can't get rid of it. On Sunday while I was watching the Jets kick San Diego Butt in an Indian casino with a buddy, a woman walked by and just as she was closest to me, she coughed without covering her mouth covered me in germs. Enough said.

Ok as for Post Time. Please contact your buddy and see if he would be kind enough to let me know how he reads and access' the Post time data. If he could give me some heads up through the use of a flow chart or an explanation on the steps that would help me tremendously.

I don't need anything about what fields he uses or anything like that, since handifast would use different fields than he would, at least in differing ways.
See what you can do if you don't mind. Now I'm headed off to my bowl of hot chicken soup!

Handi :(

tryto
01-22-2010, 07:58 PM
Handi,

is there any problem running HandiFast on Windows 7 ??

Boulder
01-22-2010, 10:13 PM
I spoke to one of my very good Doctors today and asked what he would recommend , he said what they are finding if you don:t get in the first 2 days , you just have to let it run it course. So next time if you feel it coming on jump on it fast in the first 2 days, I will call my buddy tommorrow and have him respond again get healthy Boulder

dartman51
01-22-2010, 11:27 PM
Doug, WR2 almost did it again. In the 3rd @ FG , had the FIRST 5 FINISHERS in order. Although the winner only paid $4.60, the cold SUPER, paid $1012.80.

Way to go!! :jump:

Boulder
01-23-2010, 11:07 AM
Handi, I just spoke to my friend and he told me you could call him on Monday. He wants me to give you his number. I don't want to post it on here. So can you send me your e-mail and I will give you his name and #. Boulder

permenbg
01-23-2010, 11:30 AM
can you tell me if wr1 = wr-a , and if wr2= wr-p, i must have missed something, also are yall using the defults or your settings

thanks
permenbg
bobby
bpermenter@gt.rr.com

Handiman
01-23-2010, 12:05 PM
try,

I don't know anything about Windows 7. But I suspect it should run fine. If it can make it through in Vista, I would think Windows 7 should be a piece of cake.

Handi :)

lsosa54
01-23-2010, 12:15 PM
can you tell me if wr1 = wr-a , and if wr2= wr-p, i must have missed something, also are yall using the defults or your settings

thanks
permenbg
bobby
bpermenter@gt.rr.com

I think you may be better off downloading both from Doug's website to avoid any confusion. WR-A averages pacelines like Handifast and WR-P uses a single paceline, probably one at the distance/surface or at least distance structure. The WR rating is a different number from any FAST rating Doug has programmed or from the one in Handifast.

http://hitechslocal.com/handifast/

From what I've been seeing from Dartman's posts and my own research, WR-2 seems a bit more powerful in having more value in its top 4.

There are no settings for the WR program - they are whatever Doug built into the rating - as there are no "points" for fair odds calculated.

As for Handifast, my sense is the default settings are the way to go unless someone can do a track by track regression analysis with a large sample size that may give more optimal settings. Even then, the back fitting may not be valid for the future. You can mess with the settings as I and others have done and pop up a long shot or two, but I'm not sure there is any long term validity to it.

Constant tweaking to get that longshot you would have had higher ranked doesn't make much sense and is a bit of tail chasing.

permenbg
01-23-2010, 12:37 PM
thanks, i went to the web site and all i found was wr-a and wr-p , no wr2, thanks for the info, i must be picking the wrong horses..(out of top 3)

thanks


permenbg
bobby

headhawg
01-23-2010, 12:42 PM
As for Handifast, my sense is the default settings are the way to go unless someone can do a track by track regression analysis with a large sample size that may give more optimal settings.My plan is to do a version of HHX called HHX-R (the R is for research). Basically I am working on (when I can) the ability to batch process drf and xrd files in order to more quickly and easily produce the csv file output. That way users with database or programming abilities can import lots of data in order to test the Handifast ratings and/or weight combinations.

I am not close to being done but the coding process has started. Handi mentioned that he was going to attempt this as well so maybe he will finish before me. I just don't have as much free time to spend on this as I would like.

Vinnie
01-25-2010, 12:25 PM
As far as I can tell it is ranking them, it looks odd and "broke" because the figure will show up much smaller, and the running style is not displayed.

This is due to the limited information in the bris file, however what is there still gets calculated and the horses still get rated so it should work.

This seems to hold true in all of the programs, handifast, and wr

Let us know what you find in using it.

Doug and dartman51:

Just wanted to tell you that you were right on the button. I used both Handifast and the WR-A this last weekend at Los Alamitos on paper testing alone and it was all over the P4's in its top selections. Outstanding Doug. You were right, it does produce exceptional ratings even with the information missing due to the Quarter Horses not having enough information to fill all of the data fields in the program. Outstanding Doug. Super Stuff!! :)

Handiman
01-25-2010, 03:42 PM
Doug and dartman51:

Thanks for your responses regarding the Quarter Horses and the effective use of Handifast and WR when utilizing the BRIS files. I will keep track of my findings using each and I will let you know what sorts of results they yield. :)

Thanks again guys.

Have a great day.

I just played Louisanna Downs and Handifast top pick in the 1st in a quarter horse race went off at 16 to 1 and won..but dq'd to 3rd.

In the 2nd, the top 2 horses came in and paid $23.00 exacta. A 9-5 and 6-1.

Handifast seems to do Quarter Horses just fine.

Handi :)

Vinnie
01-25-2010, 03:52 PM
Hey Handi:

That is too cool. Handifast and the Quarters. A 16 to 1 shot getting DQ'd? Man, there must have been a lot of jostling going on for there to be a disqualification? :confused:

You don't see that very often in the Quarters. Last Saturday evening you could have hit the $1 dollar Late P4 for $210.00 using Handifast on a pretty cheap ticket say $12.00. That was with a right out of the box approach of course. Very Nice!! :) Handifast is proving to be quite an effective tool for playing the QH Races..

Have a Terrific Day today Handi. I truly hope that you are feeling much better.

douglasw32
01-26-2010, 01:01 AM
Handi,

is there any problem running HandiFast on Windows 7 ??

For HANDIFAST, unzip it...In windows 7, RIGHT CLICK the .exe and choose RUN AS ADMINISTRATOR, it will throw a warning just answer YES

With WR, do the same for the 2 SUPPORT files in the sub folder labelled SUPPORT then RIGHT CLICK the .exe RUN AS ADMINISTRATOR.

Should work for you

Vinnie
01-26-2010, 09:42 AM
Handi, Doug:

I stand corrected. (I didn't play it) but, talk about some exceptionally strong ratings on the Los Al program this past Saturday night. I was looking at it this past evening and on Doug's WR-A in the Late P4 at Los Alamitos the program on its strongest selections (ratings alone) had a 2x1x1x2 for $4 bucks Late P4 of $250.10.. Very Nice Doug.. :)

What an excellent tool for the handicapping arsenal.

Thanks Doug.

permenbg
01-26-2010, 02:43 PM
handi. thanks for all the help, need a little more..when using your program , how do you make you final pick (out of top 4,5,6)? do you use a form,or other sources to help you make the final pick.i seem to picking the wrong ones all the time. same with the wood WR-a and wr-p .do you know how they make the final pick, with out playing all of the top horses.


i could use the help
permenbg
bobby
bpermenter@gt.rr.com

Handiman
01-26-2010, 03:00 PM
I know exactly what you mean by "I always pick the wrong one" as I do too many times. But I like to take a serious look at the trainer number for the top 4 rated horses. I will often let that dictate which one I take. That has helped quite a bit. Also I use the class number a lot to sperarate the top 4 when looking for a pick.

The winner is in the top 4 so often I usually don't look much lower than those.

Handi :)

Vinnie
01-27-2010, 09:39 AM
It is Freeware BTW!

Roger, thanks a bunch for recommending the CutePDF writer. Very nice little tool and very easy to use.

Have a Great day today. :)

permenbg
05-01-2010, 03:10 PM
vinnie did you get any infor on how to use handifast on Q.H

permenbg
bpermenter@gt.rr.com

Vinnie
05-04-2010, 06:26 PM
Hello permenbg:

I have found handifast to be an excellent tool for handicapping the QH's!! I use a compilation or consensus of sorts and I look for significant gaps in the ratings as well to gain an advantage. I look at four different but similar programs at once if you will. I look at Woods Ratings WR-A and WR-P, and I also look at HHV2.1, and Handifast V6. To look at recent workouts and to gauge them on their efforts, additionally, I also look at Race Prophet for the quarters and they all use the same BRIS data file. That is what I have done pretty effectively in recent months. However, that is just the way that I use the programs. :)

Viruss
05-04-2010, 06:37 PM
I have been using Handifast for the last month and keeping track of where the winners rate so for since the end of March though yesterday MNR Only.
Top rated horse is hitting 31% top two 59% and top3 71%.

Thanks Hand,i Head and Doud for all your work what a great program.


Earl J

permenbg
05-05-2010, 05:39 PM
thanks a lot , i still like the Q.H. even though i bet more thoroughbred.i like delta down , (outside with a good horse)

thanks
bobby

Vinnie
05-05-2010, 10:28 PM
Q.H.

No problem Bobby. I too enjoy watching the Quarters. Man, can they ever rumble! They are a rush to watch blowing down the straight away when they level off with that incredible burst of speed.

permenbg
07-06-2010, 10:27 PM
vinnie, can you send me a copy of wood ratings wr-a, i have all but this one ,
going to try it out on QH.

thanks
permenbg
bpermenter@gt.rr.com

Vinnie
07-07-2010, 11:00 AM
Hello permenbg:

I sent you a pm or two. Please respond when you get a chance and I will send it out to you.

Have a good day today.

Vinnie