Horsepicker
01-15-2010, 12:52 PM
Don't you think its kind of odd that we vote for some politician in whatever level of local, state, federal, and in the hope vote, expect them to KNOW what to do to get their citizens to make money or put money in their citizens pocket or get money flowing in the right place and the right direction when things turn for the worse?
Even some of the most successful business people , who specialize in business, have failed in some projects, so how can one expect a career politician to know what to do or NOT to do?
Politicians are good at smoozing, compromise, tell both sides what they want to hear, push paperwork and know paperwork protocols, political procedures, legal technicalities,etc., but what do they actually KNOW about money creation, except on how many ways to spend it and keep some for themselves and their political/business friends?
Economist and so-called experts seem to be "expert" at statistics, historian commentators, statistical "theorist" that are good at spouting off technical jargon and giving their "theoretical" analysis , but have no real world experience, battle tested results or working solutions to the economy.
I've yet to be impressed by any of these economic "experts".
"Experts" that may have some expertise is usually expert at their own personal business or pocketbooks, which is not necessarily bad, but it is assumed those skills are transferable to troubleshoot the problems of an entire country, which have some truths and non truths to that.
Bernake is even dumbfounded.., or playing dumbfounded, and he is in charge, or suppose to be the experts expert of Money and Economics.
The criminal, private and "IRREFUTABLE" Federal Reserve is a subject for another time.
If the FACTS are, historically, that small businesses create MORE jobs than Corporations, why are they giving money to the fat cats?
If the FACTS are that , historically, small businesses create MOST of the patents and inventions, being more innovative in technology and products, why are we not helping that along?
Corporations seem to be good at one thing: monopilization.
Some small Mom and Pop inventor, entrepreneur or innovator creates something, and the Corporations just somehow, someway, "absorb" the small company and buy it out , own the patents, willingly or deceptively and make it part of itself, especially if your innovation will cause them to lose substantial profits from the new competition or put them OUT of business altogether.
" Free Market"? . Like Halliburton? How about what Tucker went thru? What about others?
Corporation mastered the art of the FIXED fight long before the Mafia, where do you think they learned from?
How many patents/product -inventions that are sitting in some safe somewhere for 20, 50, 100 years that can solve problems today?
So much for the anti-monopoly laws and "fostering" entrepreneurship , the stuff that made this country a #1 product leader and producer.
Entrepreneur education is pretty barren to non-existant in the education system, even in colleges...., its how to look for a job, period, even if you are a engineer or phD, no real education in the institutions on being a job creator.
From cradle to grave, no matter how high an education level one has, educational institutions we trust program us to look for a , you guessed it, a Y-O-B, even if you are smarter and more innovative than the boss, very few will take the initiative or can "see" that they can CREATE jobs/products and not just punch a clock until one is old or constantly look for ANOTHER Y-O-B.
The "experts", councilers, schools, whatever, say one has to upgrade your skills or find new skills, which is fine, but how reasonable is it to keep upgrading until you are 66 , because every time you do, THAT job market is history, gone to china, never to return.
Job creation is just simply not in the school or household cirriculum when one is growing up.
Another critical mistake.
And why would corporate america or corporate anybody create more competitiors for that dollar, that would strink the numbers of Mega-Conglomorate trillion-dollar operations, so why would they want to contribute to that?
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A: In order to make money, you have to sell something to others, what others want.
B: In order to sell something, you either have to:
1) create it
2) sell somebody eles's stuff
So if every other country is making stuff, and the U.S. becomes a BIG Affiliate marketer/commission salesman, who do we sell the stuff to?
Definitely NOT to the country that makes it.
And the folks who lost their job and a strinking consumer base as more lose their jobs, NOT selling to them, their lost job either temporarily or permantely dropped them out of certain consumer markets.
People get money to spend from either a job, their business(small business).
Their is a 3rd way to get money, but it really does not count, because if you get some subsidy from any source, it is usually from a source from some entity that has generated its money because of, again, a job or business(small business). You can't get taxes to pay for welfare or disability unless you tax from some source that has, again, a job or business.
So would'nt it be smart to foster small business, who are usually in a growth phase , that in turn, creates more jobs?
I've seen this first hand....a guy starts with a hot-grill on wheels handcart on some abandoned lot, then depending on how popular the demand is, a year later, he has two people helping him and a table and a few chairs, then a year or two later, dudes got a roach-coach truck with multiples tables, lights for night dining, then, a year later, the man builds a building on the lot and has a restaurant with about 5 to 7 people working there, I've seen this several times.
This dude did not go to business school, get a degree, go thru the small business administration loans, dress up for some interview, or most of the stuff they say it takes to open a small business....don't most, errantly tell folks to take out a loan in order to open a small business, another example of bad education of fostering entrepreneurship.
Is not one of the sane definitions and factors of the term "fostering small businesses" is to educate people, in middle school and up, on creating small business, with nothing needed but a few skills and market research?
So what are we going to sell others.......,... services?
I am not impressed with anyone, expert or not, who talks about job creation.
Thats like talking about finding NEW water sources or places to get water when you have done nothing to repair the ever forming/increasing multiple holes at the bottom of the water bucket.
The Titanic, a ship, ( one primary task of a ship is to keep water OUT) was set sail to meet some launch schedule, although they did not finish waterproofing a section of the ship.....the very section, ironically, that the iceburg hit.....lessons never learned.
If you do not address job protection or securing your market "first", job creation is a moot point.
You can wrangle all the horses you can herd/catch and bring them to the pen, but if most of the gates are wide open, or completely TORN OFF, the horses you have just gathered will simply run back out, you will NEVER get to the next step of your operation, will always be on DAY ONE, starting over, if not completly, from scratch...., and who wants to keep doing that?
Creating jobs, great, even if you create half a million, so they can be re-packaged and shipped out in a few months to a year or so to some country that pays its laborers .05 cents an hour , and no environmental restrictions, no labor rights or restrictions, corrupt politicians in that country getting paid off, so much for job creation.
And no penalty for someone moving out U.S. and selling the same stuff back, putting their competitors ( folks who employ americans, who, along with businesses recirculate money within this country fostering growth) out of business, like Wal-Mart does.
No penalty or consequences worth mentioning of someone outsourcing work that Americans can do by hiring migrant workers and/or the LEGAL illegals, a joke of enforcement and penalties,.....a big crock that there is work Americans won't do..., let that unemployment insurance, welfare and General Relief check run out, we'll see whats beneath them..., work is work, and if some Americans don't want to do legitimate work, they have the "freedom" to starve and die.
So in reality, there is no such thing as illegal immigration, its like the cell phone law in cali, enforced when needed, just simply another "probable cause" law they can pull out their craw when they need to "get" something on you AND generate cash for the political robbers of commerce.
Funny how the IRS, on even an error they don't necessarily have to legally admit, can put you away for years in prison because they say you owed money, can confiscate everything you ever owned and either take it over or sell it, yet, they can't do that when some business owner hires illegals because , you understand, he can't be in business if he HAS to pay the legal minimum wage for legal citizens to barely live like a human being, at least....well, the slaveowner should not be in business.....thats not business at all.
And no penalty for a country who buys very little of our stuff, whatever we have left, as compared to how much we buy their stuff.
Believe me, they are working on it as you read this, for Big Corporations to LEGALLY have the ability to take the most money from us that they can get or obligate us to and not LEGALLY be bound to give us little to NOTHING in return....hidden fees, cancellation fees, etc., ITS THE "PERFECT" PRODUCT THEY PRAYED TO THEIR DEMON GOD FOR.
They charge whatever they want, pay whatever they want, no competition, like oil companies, THEN get money from our taxes bailouts, THEN get their "boys" in the state and federal government to write laws obligating us to some payment......like insurance..., while we pay law enforcement our taxes to enforce and protect the corporate.
The Mafia has a more honest word, protection money, protecting yourself from getting mobbed by some government entity if you don't pay.
Nice racket. Street cons and other criminals are not in jail because of their crime, their there because they implement the discipline so amateurishly, that to the authors and masters of such science, they embarrass the trade, and tarnish it for real criminals, along with daring to take from the takers.
Economist, politicians...,its like taking your car that broke down to be repaired by computer repairman, roof repairman, shoe repairman.....,
Is not the first step, if any, is identify the right troubleshooter/repairman, first, before any "credible" diagnostics and repair can be performed?
Isn't it MORE of a Community solution ( NO politicians) vs looking for that ONE political savior or group who has the answers to everybodys problem?
Although people look to FDR as the template for a solution, that was only a temporary one that would rear its ugly head much later, because they never solved the problem, one , of how to mathematically pay someone or support someone who is too old to be in the workforce, the math has never been absolutely sound in that regard.
It looks like a fallacy to have citizens educated to fit in some job that may evaporate some day, or educated to fit in some part of a corporate structure..., at best, its an outdated model of the past.
A job should be an option,a starting place for income, not sole choice as it is to make a living, and if one is truly educated, every dollar and time someone has on some job should contribute to an education and/or apprenticeship in eventually(and quickly) being a job creator and producer, not a beggar hoping someone or company has some opening so they can generate money to feed and clothes themselves everyday.
A lot of jobs should be held by kids as soon as they could walk, to learn responsibility, a primer/ apprenticeship into how business is done, so when they learn to be a job CREATOR, they know the inner workings.
Then these spoiled brats would not expect, and stupidly by their parents, get $400 shoes because, "they simply asked". They would then value how hard others worked to feed them and not burn money for fun, because THEY, the kids, would have to EARN it. They would also respect others property because they know how hard it was to get the cash to get it.
Jobs should also be for old folks, people who don't necessarily need to work or the money, just something part time, to do something, keep from getting stiff, even used as an experienced consultant if they worked in that particular industry.
Schools should be churning out job creators, product developers, business creators, not a herd of Doctorate Degree migrant workers.
The high school dropout that became a self-sufficient, or even millionaire with their entrepreneurship, having people with B.S., B.A.'s , PhD's, Doctorates, Masters, soliciting him for an opportunity to feed their family.
So what truly is Education or being Educated?
To start from nothing and create.
So WHERE does that put the U.S. economy in the future?
Horsepicker
Even some of the most successful business people , who specialize in business, have failed in some projects, so how can one expect a career politician to know what to do or NOT to do?
Politicians are good at smoozing, compromise, tell both sides what they want to hear, push paperwork and know paperwork protocols, political procedures, legal technicalities,etc., but what do they actually KNOW about money creation, except on how many ways to spend it and keep some for themselves and their political/business friends?
Economist and so-called experts seem to be "expert" at statistics, historian commentators, statistical "theorist" that are good at spouting off technical jargon and giving their "theoretical" analysis , but have no real world experience, battle tested results or working solutions to the economy.
I've yet to be impressed by any of these economic "experts".
"Experts" that may have some expertise is usually expert at their own personal business or pocketbooks, which is not necessarily bad, but it is assumed those skills are transferable to troubleshoot the problems of an entire country, which have some truths and non truths to that.
Bernake is even dumbfounded.., or playing dumbfounded, and he is in charge, or suppose to be the experts expert of Money and Economics.
The criminal, private and "IRREFUTABLE" Federal Reserve is a subject for another time.
If the FACTS are, historically, that small businesses create MORE jobs than Corporations, why are they giving money to the fat cats?
If the FACTS are that , historically, small businesses create MOST of the patents and inventions, being more innovative in technology and products, why are we not helping that along?
Corporations seem to be good at one thing: monopilization.
Some small Mom and Pop inventor, entrepreneur or innovator creates something, and the Corporations just somehow, someway, "absorb" the small company and buy it out , own the patents, willingly or deceptively and make it part of itself, especially if your innovation will cause them to lose substantial profits from the new competition or put them OUT of business altogether.
" Free Market"? . Like Halliburton? How about what Tucker went thru? What about others?
Corporation mastered the art of the FIXED fight long before the Mafia, where do you think they learned from?
How many patents/product -inventions that are sitting in some safe somewhere for 20, 50, 100 years that can solve problems today?
So much for the anti-monopoly laws and "fostering" entrepreneurship , the stuff that made this country a #1 product leader and producer.
Entrepreneur education is pretty barren to non-existant in the education system, even in colleges...., its how to look for a job, period, even if you are a engineer or phD, no real education in the institutions on being a job creator.
From cradle to grave, no matter how high an education level one has, educational institutions we trust program us to look for a , you guessed it, a Y-O-B, even if you are smarter and more innovative than the boss, very few will take the initiative or can "see" that they can CREATE jobs/products and not just punch a clock until one is old or constantly look for ANOTHER Y-O-B.
The "experts", councilers, schools, whatever, say one has to upgrade your skills or find new skills, which is fine, but how reasonable is it to keep upgrading until you are 66 , because every time you do, THAT job market is history, gone to china, never to return.
Job creation is just simply not in the school or household cirriculum when one is growing up.
Another critical mistake.
And why would corporate america or corporate anybody create more competitiors for that dollar, that would strink the numbers of Mega-Conglomorate trillion-dollar operations, so why would they want to contribute to that?
************************************************** ************************************************** ***
A: In order to make money, you have to sell something to others, what others want.
B: In order to sell something, you either have to:
1) create it
2) sell somebody eles's stuff
So if every other country is making stuff, and the U.S. becomes a BIG Affiliate marketer/commission salesman, who do we sell the stuff to?
Definitely NOT to the country that makes it.
And the folks who lost their job and a strinking consumer base as more lose their jobs, NOT selling to them, their lost job either temporarily or permantely dropped them out of certain consumer markets.
People get money to spend from either a job, their business(small business).
Their is a 3rd way to get money, but it really does not count, because if you get some subsidy from any source, it is usually from a source from some entity that has generated its money because of, again, a job or business(small business). You can't get taxes to pay for welfare or disability unless you tax from some source that has, again, a job or business.
So would'nt it be smart to foster small business, who are usually in a growth phase , that in turn, creates more jobs?
I've seen this first hand....a guy starts with a hot-grill on wheels handcart on some abandoned lot, then depending on how popular the demand is, a year later, he has two people helping him and a table and a few chairs, then a year or two later, dudes got a roach-coach truck with multiples tables, lights for night dining, then, a year later, the man builds a building on the lot and has a restaurant with about 5 to 7 people working there, I've seen this several times.
This dude did not go to business school, get a degree, go thru the small business administration loans, dress up for some interview, or most of the stuff they say it takes to open a small business....don't most, errantly tell folks to take out a loan in order to open a small business, another example of bad education of fostering entrepreneurship.
Is not one of the sane definitions and factors of the term "fostering small businesses" is to educate people, in middle school and up, on creating small business, with nothing needed but a few skills and market research?
So what are we going to sell others.......,... services?
I am not impressed with anyone, expert or not, who talks about job creation.
Thats like talking about finding NEW water sources or places to get water when you have done nothing to repair the ever forming/increasing multiple holes at the bottom of the water bucket.
The Titanic, a ship, ( one primary task of a ship is to keep water OUT) was set sail to meet some launch schedule, although they did not finish waterproofing a section of the ship.....the very section, ironically, that the iceburg hit.....lessons never learned.
If you do not address job protection or securing your market "first", job creation is a moot point.
You can wrangle all the horses you can herd/catch and bring them to the pen, but if most of the gates are wide open, or completely TORN OFF, the horses you have just gathered will simply run back out, you will NEVER get to the next step of your operation, will always be on DAY ONE, starting over, if not completly, from scratch...., and who wants to keep doing that?
Creating jobs, great, even if you create half a million, so they can be re-packaged and shipped out in a few months to a year or so to some country that pays its laborers .05 cents an hour , and no environmental restrictions, no labor rights or restrictions, corrupt politicians in that country getting paid off, so much for job creation.
And no penalty for someone moving out U.S. and selling the same stuff back, putting their competitors ( folks who employ americans, who, along with businesses recirculate money within this country fostering growth) out of business, like Wal-Mart does.
No penalty or consequences worth mentioning of someone outsourcing work that Americans can do by hiring migrant workers and/or the LEGAL illegals, a joke of enforcement and penalties,.....a big crock that there is work Americans won't do..., let that unemployment insurance, welfare and General Relief check run out, we'll see whats beneath them..., work is work, and if some Americans don't want to do legitimate work, they have the "freedom" to starve and die.
So in reality, there is no such thing as illegal immigration, its like the cell phone law in cali, enforced when needed, just simply another "probable cause" law they can pull out their craw when they need to "get" something on you AND generate cash for the political robbers of commerce.
Funny how the IRS, on even an error they don't necessarily have to legally admit, can put you away for years in prison because they say you owed money, can confiscate everything you ever owned and either take it over or sell it, yet, they can't do that when some business owner hires illegals because , you understand, he can't be in business if he HAS to pay the legal minimum wage for legal citizens to barely live like a human being, at least....well, the slaveowner should not be in business.....thats not business at all.
And no penalty for a country who buys very little of our stuff, whatever we have left, as compared to how much we buy their stuff.
Believe me, they are working on it as you read this, for Big Corporations to LEGALLY have the ability to take the most money from us that they can get or obligate us to and not LEGALLY be bound to give us little to NOTHING in return....hidden fees, cancellation fees, etc., ITS THE "PERFECT" PRODUCT THEY PRAYED TO THEIR DEMON GOD FOR.
They charge whatever they want, pay whatever they want, no competition, like oil companies, THEN get money from our taxes bailouts, THEN get their "boys" in the state and federal government to write laws obligating us to some payment......like insurance..., while we pay law enforcement our taxes to enforce and protect the corporate.
The Mafia has a more honest word, protection money, protecting yourself from getting mobbed by some government entity if you don't pay.
Nice racket. Street cons and other criminals are not in jail because of their crime, their there because they implement the discipline so amateurishly, that to the authors and masters of such science, they embarrass the trade, and tarnish it for real criminals, along with daring to take from the takers.
Economist, politicians...,its like taking your car that broke down to be repaired by computer repairman, roof repairman, shoe repairman.....,
Is not the first step, if any, is identify the right troubleshooter/repairman, first, before any "credible" diagnostics and repair can be performed?
Isn't it MORE of a Community solution ( NO politicians) vs looking for that ONE political savior or group who has the answers to everybodys problem?
Although people look to FDR as the template for a solution, that was only a temporary one that would rear its ugly head much later, because they never solved the problem, one , of how to mathematically pay someone or support someone who is too old to be in the workforce, the math has never been absolutely sound in that regard.
It looks like a fallacy to have citizens educated to fit in some job that may evaporate some day, or educated to fit in some part of a corporate structure..., at best, its an outdated model of the past.
A job should be an option,a starting place for income, not sole choice as it is to make a living, and if one is truly educated, every dollar and time someone has on some job should contribute to an education and/or apprenticeship in eventually(and quickly) being a job creator and producer, not a beggar hoping someone or company has some opening so they can generate money to feed and clothes themselves everyday.
A lot of jobs should be held by kids as soon as they could walk, to learn responsibility, a primer/ apprenticeship into how business is done, so when they learn to be a job CREATOR, they know the inner workings.
Then these spoiled brats would not expect, and stupidly by their parents, get $400 shoes because, "they simply asked". They would then value how hard others worked to feed them and not burn money for fun, because THEY, the kids, would have to EARN it. They would also respect others property because they know how hard it was to get the cash to get it.
Jobs should also be for old folks, people who don't necessarily need to work or the money, just something part time, to do something, keep from getting stiff, even used as an experienced consultant if they worked in that particular industry.
Schools should be churning out job creators, product developers, business creators, not a herd of Doctorate Degree migrant workers.
The high school dropout that became a self-sufficient, or even millionaire with their entrepreneurship, having people with B.S., B.A.'s , PhD's, Doctorates, Masters, soliciting him for an opportunity to feed their family.
So what truly is Education or being Educated?
To start from nothing and create.
So WHERE does that put the U.S. economy in the future?
Horsepicker