hrtv ought to be ashamed of themselves

[toussaud]

seriously.

persuit of the eclipse= zenyatta campaign 2009


I have no problem with you having an opinion, even if it isn't the same as mine.

But seriously? 30 mintues of west coast trainers talking up zenyatta?

millie ball had the nerve to say zenyatta had THE BETTER CAMPAIGN than rachael.

i can see the classic arguement but a better campaign?

[tzipi]

Well I have to say Classic aside(a nice Classic field,but not great) Zenyatta ran against same female fields at the same place where RA travelled to numerous tracks to face the girls,boys,older horses,etc all as a 3YO and beat them all including beating colts in the Preakness Stakes. RA had the better campaign.

[toussaud]

i don't even care if they like zenyatta or not. they are supposed to at least give the apperance of being unbais.

that show could have been so much better.

why not have a panel on and let them debate?

why not interview someone outside socal?

they even took jabs at people who said rachael was better

[fmolf]

i don't even care if they like zenyatta or not. they are supposed to at least give the apperance of being unbais.

that show could have been so much better.

why not have a panel on and let them debate?

why not interview someone outside socal?

they even took jabs at people who said rachael was better
Both racing networks are based in california so what type of bias do you expect?

[andymays]

Both racing networks are based in california so what type of bias do you expect?


HRTV and TVG are biased networks to say the least.

Wouldn't you like to hear them say one time "this is a shitty card today at Hollywood Park" or whichever Track they are covering for the day.

or

"Ladies and Gentlemen the takeout on this pick 4 is 26% and you're getting ripped if you play it"


Until Horseplayers get their own network this stuff will never change.

If I had a wish list one of the things would be to have a deal where a Horseplayer owned and run network contracted with tracks who agreed to have a "firewall" 15% and 20% takeout in 2010. If the handle increased significantly go to 15% across the board in 2011. The ultimate goal would be 10% on all wagers.

TVG and HRTV are part of the problem and love the high take in my opinion.

By the way they are going way overboard on their promotion of Zenyatta and their tactics will probably hurt Zenyatta more than they will help her!

[toussaud]

it's also quite sad and pathetic in hrtv's part for the sake that Rachael carried that damn network for the better part of the year while zenyatta was in her stall or racing against allowence fillies at hollywood park or del mar.

Seriously, going around the backstretch of santa anita, probably right next to sherriffs' barn no less, and asking who should be horse of the year? that's like going to alabama and asking what is the best college football conference.

Joannes Jones is the only one on the network that is not head over heels for zenyatta, jeff siegal to a lesser extent. I think he secretly likes rachael more, he hints at it, but will not come out and say it. Joannes jones just flat out will say she thinks rachael will win. notice how she was not on the show.

i have no problem with the opinion but having a show about the eclipse award, then proceeding to give a 30 mintue zenyatta campaign is pathetic

[Canarsie]

If I was starting a network here's a few things I would do.

1. Steal Rich Perloff from TVG and make him the top guy.

2. Do tons of videos how to read the DRF, Brisnet, handicapping software the whole works.

3. Hire a bunch of people who have won the NHC. How many of the so called "experts" at either network have won one?

4. Take live calls from your viewers the real handicappers.

5. Be honest with them why you are showing certain tracks.

6. Explain how high takeout hurts the industry and say it needs to be fixed by all sides.

7. Lots of inside stuff with trainers, jockeys, even the grooms and hot walkers so everyone could see how the industry works.


Think that's enough for now.

[andymays]

If I was starting a network here's a few things I would do.

1. Steal Rich Perloff from TVG and make him the top guy.

2. Do tons of videos how to read the DRF, Brisnet, handicapping software the whole works.

3. Hire a bunch of people who have won the NHC. How many of the so called "experts" at either network have won one?

4. Take live calls from your viewers the real handicappers.

5. Be honest with them why you are showing certain tracks.

6. Explain how high takeout hurts the industry and say it needs to be fixed by all sides.

7. Lots of inside stuff with trainers, jockeys, even the grooms and hot walkers so everyone could see how the industry works.


Think that's enough for now.


Right On! :ThmbUp:

[lamboguy]

If I was starting a network here's a few things I would do.

1. Steal Rich Perloff from TVG and make him the top guy.

2. Do tons of videos how to read the DRF, Brisnet, handicapping software the whole works.

3. Hire a bunch of people who have won the NHC. How many of the so called "experts" at either network have won one?

4. Take live calls from your viewers the real handicappers.

5. Be honest with them why you are showing certain tracks.

6. Explain how high takeout hurts the industry and say it needs to be fixed by all sides.

7. Lots of inside stuff with trainers, jockeys, even the grooms and hot walkers so everyone could see how the industry works.


Think that's enough for now.you have some great ideas on your list, it would certainly help boost interest in the sport. as far as HRTV goes they are the AVIS of the racing television, TVG has more exposure than them and it might be better to focus on how to make them better.

[ezrabrooks]

Well I have to say Classic aside(a nice Classic field,but not great) Zenyatta ran against same female fields at the same place where RA travelled to numerous tracks to face the girls,boys,older horses,etc all as a 3YO and beat them all including beating colts in the Preakness Stakes. RA had the better campaign.'


Man...new light on the argument..

[rrpic6]

Zenyatta will visit Santa Anita on opening day, Dec. 26th. HRTV has exclusive coverage of Santa Anita. Just a typical promo tease from a network.


RR

[toussaud]

and I generally LIKE HRTV. enough to where I bought the 1 year plan to watch it online. Big HRTV fan and generally don't have much problem with anything they do. only real gripe with them is they favor their "programs" over live racing and race replay shows. I'd like to wake up in the morning and see non stop race replay shows instead of inside information reruns.

But that was god awful. Not that they are head over for zenyatta but flat out campaigning for 1 horse over the other crosses the line.

[Show Me the Wire]

HRTV and TVG are biased networks to say the least.

Wouldn't you like to hear them say one time "this is a shitty card today at Hollywood Park" or whichever Track they are covering for the day.

or

"Ladies and Gentlemen the takeout on this pick 4 is 26% and you're getting ripped if you play it".................................................. .....



TVG and HRTV are part of the problem and love the high take in my opinion.

By the way they are going way overboard on their promotion of Zenyatta and their tactics will probably hurt Zenyatta more than they will help her!

Welcome back andymays. Actually, Matt and Rudy did have the discussion about how 'shitty" (not that specific word) ths cards have been. Matt even suggested just sitting on your hands (not betting) and enjoy the racing.

Matt, also, pointed out that it might not be wise toe play horizantal exotics, i.e pick 3's, etc. on such days. I did find the candid conversation refreshing.

[jballscalls]

If I was starting a network here's a few things I would do.

1. Steal Rich Perloff from TVG and make him the top guy.

2. Do tons of videos how to read the DRF, Brisnet, handicapping software the whole works.

3. Hire a bunch of people who have won the NHC. How many of the so called "experts" at either network have won one?

4. Take live calls from your viewers the real handicappers.

5. Be honest with them why you are showing certain tracks.

6. Explain how high takeout hurts the industry and say it needs to be fixed by all sides.

7. Lots of inside stuff with trainers, jockeys, even the grooms and hot walkers so everyone could see how the industry works.


Think that's enough for now.

some very interesting ideas on here. Not a big fan of having long segments on how to read the DRF as that sounds pretty boring. Also, make sure your NhC winners have some personality and ability to be broadcasters, because i've seen people who are experts but are horrible announcers and personalities and it's painful to watch.

Phone calls on TV shows in my opinion are usually really bad and boring. first of all, Tv is a visual medium, and your left staring at nothing going on when they are just having a conversation. And again, you are risking taking calls from guys who may be extraordinarily long winded, annoying, or any of a million other bad traits.

i love the idea of making Rich Perloff a top guy since he's super well informed, very sharp, and has a really good demeanor on air imho. i'd love to hear your takeout theories, always a good way to get newbies to start betting and following your network by showing them how badly they will get robbed!! Takeout is a HUGE issue for all of us, just dont think it makes for good tv though.

my favorite one is the last one. the inside stuff is always the most interesting and the most 'real'. it would be awesome to talk with Zenyatta's groom to see what she's like on a day to day basis, or just watch Rachel on a hotwalker to see how she behaves. that would be cool to see more inside stuff.

since none of us are starting a network i guess it's a moot point, but
always interesting to see what people would like to do. good stuff

[onefast99]

Would you expect anything different? How about Stevens talking up IEAH everytime they are in a race that HRTV covers. Biased reporting, west coast style!

[Canarsie]

some very interesting ideas on here. Not a big fan of having long segments on how to read the DRF as that sounds pretty boring. Also, make sure your NhC winners have some personality and ability to be broadcasters, because i've seen people who are experts but are horrible announcers and personalities and it's painful to watch.

Phone calls on TV shows in my opinion are usually really bad and boring. first of all, Tv is a visual medium, and your left staring at nothing going on when they are just having a conversation. And again, you are risking taking calls from guys who may be extraordinarily long winded, annoying, or any of a million other bad traits.

i love the idea of making Rich Perloff a top guy since he's super well informed, very sharp, and has a really good demeanor on air imho. i'd love to hear your takeout theories, always a good way to get newbies to start betting and following your network by showing them how badly they will get robbed!! Takeout is a HUGE issue for all of us, just dont think it makes for good tv though.

my favorite one is the last one. the inside stuff is always the most interesting and the most 'real'. it would be awesome to talk with Zenyatta's groom to see what she's like on a day to day basis, or just watch Rachel on a hotwalker to see how she behaves. that would be cool to see more inside stuff.

since none of us are starting a network i guess it's a moot point, but
always interesting to see what people would like to do. good stuff



I meant youtube videos to be posted on the web. Really don't think a novice could keep up on tv anyway. I don't need them to have personality there are true hard core gamblers I'm looking for insight. If I wanted personality I could hire Mike Joyce to wear a giraffe outfit. Would you rather listen to a "suit" or a guy who knows his "stuff" and is painfully dull?

The phone calls wouldn't be random it would be from people who know their stuff. For example is I was doing FL Tom would be on the air it's his local track. If it was the Mountain I would call on whose expertise is at that track. While the convo is going on post parades could be shown it would hardly be "empty".


Rachel's exercise rider was on a youtube video it was great. See I've piqued your interest already.


Thanks let me throw in HD as a mandatory part of my network and telling the tracks if they don't switch in "x" amount of days they go to the bottom of the "pecking" order.

I'm a social butterfly at the track I can feel the "pulse" of the gambler. Sometimes I call the NJSEA office for info and wind up speaking them for 30 minutes or more before they say I have to get back to work. One one the executives actually told me once it drives him crazy that they show sporting events on tv there but times have changed.

Most don't like my theories on saving NJ racing as it entails blowing up Monmouth. But I have to call it as I see it the place gets 15k P4's it's not worth saving.

[joanied]

If I was starting a network here's a few things I would do.

1. Steal Rich Perloff from TVG and make him the top guy.

2. Do tons of videos how to read the DRF, Brisnet, handicapping software the whole works.

3. Hire a bunch of people who have won the NHC. How many of the so called "experts" at either network have won one?

4. Take live calls from your viewers the real handicappers.

5. Be honest with them why you are showing certain tracks.

6. Explain how high takeout hurts the industry and say it needs to be fixed by all sides.

7. Lots of inside stuff with trainers, jockeys, even the grooms and hot walkers so everyone could see how the industry works.


Think that's enough for now.

Excellent:ThmbUp: ...I especially like #7...I would add Lafit Pincay (Jr.) to the commentators list...IMO, he's great!!

[toussaud]

HRTV should have a 2 hour learning segment every day called " looking for lobsters... how to play the horses with Julio Canani"

that it a sitcom in itself. 2 hours with Julio Canani? I'd be speaking a new language within a month

[andymays]

HRTV should have a 2 hour learning segment every day called " looking for lobsters... how to play the horses with Julio Canani"

that it a sitcom in itself. 2 hours with Julio Canani? I'd be speaking a new language within a month


The most helpful segments are the Trainer interviews before the race (with the right person asking the questions like Christina O). It would be nice if they could interview some of the contenders earlier in the day and have three Trainer interviews for any given race.

[Stillriledup]

Since both networks have a financial interest in you (the customer/potential customer) placing wagers with their ADW, anything that comes out of their mouths has to be taken as an infomercial for you to gamble with them.

[Rialto]

Simon Bray is a decent capper... cant stand todd shrupp though... I want to punch him when he talks :mad:

[onefast99]

Simon Bray is a decent capper... cant stand todd shrupp though... I want to punch him when he talks :mad:
Isn't he doing a cage match with the Undertaker for more publicity..and it's free...free...free.

[BUD]

There is nothing stopping anyone from putting together a live internet show
or something left on a youtube channel explaining our game in a positive light-

Or having a weekly week in review that hits hard and truthful--

In today's Tech world--Anyone can be a mover and a shaker--Via The Net--

All it takes is the will--Desire--And a Computer

If I Ever Get well Enough So at least I can writ something legible--I May try my hand--If The Void is there still--I think where safe--I think 2010--We will see
the rise of the vids-For these purposes---2009 was the year of the Blog for Our Industry---2010--will see many of the Bloggers become Internet talkin heads-

Happy Holy Days Folks-

[Rialto]

Isn't he doing a cage match with the Undertaker for more publicity..and it's free...free...free.


There isn't much that would be higher on my to-do list than watch todd shrupp get pummled in the ring, if it were to actually happen...

I remeber back in the late summer simon and todd had a handicapping contest were they had to put a $20 win/place bet on each race at del mar and then they travled to los alamitos after the card was done at del mar and played the same $40 dollar bets for that whole card at los al...

After Del Mar todd was beating simon pretty good (neither of them were actually doing that well)... and he was talking shit.... oh was he talking up a big mess to simon.... even one of the other announcers, I think it was ken rudolph, was like "you do realize simon is a los al specialist, right?" He shit talking just continued to increase...

Simon proceeded to get really hot at los al hitting like 8 out of the ten races or something... taking todd down hard.... God that was awesome!!!!! that was one of the best days ever on TVG.. :lol:

[toussaud]

something else I picked up on, and the only reason I was able to pick up on this was becuase they interviewed chip right after the Breeders cup... when HRTV asked everyone on the backstretch who should win, they all said the same thing, that Rachael did not race in the classic when Zenyatta did.

Chip, was quoted as saying, he thought rachael should win it, no disrespect to Zenyatta, she has raced in more races.. and they cut it off there. The FULL quote, was she raced in more races, on more tracks, didn't scratch because of an off track. HRTV convently edited that out in the Persuit of the Eclipse show.

[Stillriledup]

something else I picked up on, and the only reason I was able to pick up on this was becuase they interviewed chip right after the Breeders cup... when HRTV asked everyone on the backstretch who should win, they all said the same thing, that Rachael did not race in the classic when Zenyatta did.

Chip, was quoted as saying, he thought rachael should win it, no disrespect to Zenyatta, she has raced in more races.. and they cut it off there. The FULL quote, was she raced in more races, on more tracks, didn't scratch because of an off track. HRTV convently edited that out in the Persuit of the Eclipse show.


the one thing i don't get is why people would think that Rachel SHOULD race in the Classic? She's a 3 year old filly, the classic is for older males, why are we holding it against her that she didn't do something that she never was going to do anyway?

Should we hold it against the WNBA champions because they can't beat the Lakers?

[PaceAdvantage]

the one thing i don't get is why people would think that Rachel SHOULD race in the Classic? She's a 3 year old filly, the classic is for older males, why are we holding it against her that she didn't do something that she never was going to do anyway?

Should we hold it against the WNBA champions because they can't beat the Lakers?This is an easy question to answer.

People thought Rachel SHOULD race in the Classic because she had already beaten MALES three times (both 3yo-only and OLDER).

However, because the Classic was run on a surface that her owner thought was not in her best interests, she was held back from that event.

It had nothing to do with facing the boys again...she had already "been there, done that x3"

[Stillriledup]

This is an easy question to answer.

People thought Rachel SHOULD race in the Classic because she had already beaten MALES three times (both 3yo-only and OLDER).

However, because the Classic was run on a surface that her owner thought was not in her best interests, she was held back from that event.

It had nothing to do with facing the boys again...she had already "been there, done that x3"

Is it possible that Rachel wasnt' ever going to run in that race anyway, but her owner said the reason he wasn't running was because of Plastic and he just wanted a forum to take a shot at the fake stuff? Maybe she was just going to be done for the year anyway and the guy wanted one parting shot at a surface that, in his mind, cost Curlin the BC Classic.

Rachel started her 2009 season in Feb and ended her 2008 season in late Nov? Z had a much bigger 'break' than RA did. I've argued that this is a factor, but people just want a horse to stay in training for 1 year straight with no break. Z got a huge break of 7 months between races yet no one is holding that against her. RA got no break and people aren't giving her the benny of the doubt, seems like the Z fans want their cake and eat it too.

[PaceAdvantage]

Is it possible that Rachel wasnt' ever going to run in that race anyway, but her owner said the reason he wasn't running was because of Plastic and he just wanted a forum to take a shot at the fake stuff? Maybe she was just going to be done for the year anyway and the guy wanted one parting shot at a surface that, in his mind, cost Curlin the BC Classic.I'm not sure what the difference is between "wasn't ever going to run in that race anyway" and "not running in the BC Classic BECAUSE of the fact that it was being run over fake-dirt."

Her campaign was crafted (and mind you, Rachel SWITCHED connections mid-stream...this also has to be taken into account) with NO BC in mind.

Yes, she was never going to run in the BC because Jackson has a bias against the current Santa Anita surface.

Or are you saying that should Rachel remain healthy in 2010, she isn't going to run in the BC at Churchill either?

[Stillriledup]

I'm not sure what the difference is between "wasn't ever going to run in that race anyway" and "not running in the BC Classic BECAUSE of the fact that it was being run over fake-dirt."

Her campaign was crafted (and mind you, Rachel SWITCHED connections mid-stream...this also has to be taken into account) with NO BC in mind.

Yes, she was never going to run in the BC because Jackson has a bias against the current Santa Anita surface.

Or are you saying that should Rachel remain healthy in 2010, she isn't going to run in the BC at Churchill either?

I would assume that the connections will have a different plan mapped out for her so that she's not burnt out when the BC comes calling.

[bisket]

i honestly think its tough on any 3 year old that races toward the spring classics for their age group to stay in form all year and win the classic. its a tall order. i think any 3 year old should be given somewhat of a break in this regard.