What harness tracks would a $50 win bet majorly change the odds?

[Zippy Chippy]

Some tracks they dont show the pools. Which ones would you make a $50 win bet and have that dramatically change the odds? I never know how much is in Dover, Meadows, Flamboro, Scarborough. I always assume that those win pools are tiny

[Ian Meyers]

Scarborough, Bangor, Plainridge, Running Aces for sure. Not as much at Western, Georgian, Windsor, Flamboro and Dover.

The first four I mentioned are the smallest harness pools I know of. :)

[Canarsie]

Northville and Sports Creek in the winter for sure. Hit a $3 exacta bet there before it closed (fall meet Northville) and took down 15% of the pool. :lol:

[JustRalph]

Vernon Downs

I dropped 20 on the nose on a horse that was something like 15-1 and he instantly went to 5 or 6 to 1 on the next click........if memory serves me right.

He won.......... :ThmbUp:

[Ray2000]

Here's what I use for my guideline on Win Pool sizes

Estimating

BigM....$52,000
MOH.....$25,000
WDB.....$25,000
BMLP....$20,000
YR......$15,000
NFLD....$14,000
MAY.....$10,000
DD......$9,000
FHLD....$9,000
MR......$9,000
INDY....$7,000
PCD.....$7,000
CALX....$6,000
CHST....$6,000
HAR.....$6,000
WR......$3,100
MEA.....$2,400
FRD.....$2,300
CNL.....$2,200
PPK.....$2,000
GEOD....$1,900
KD.tues.$1,900
BR......$1,700
FLMD....$1,700
NP......$1,700
NOR.....$1,600
GRVR....$1,500
LON.....$1,500
PRC.....$1,500
RIDC....$1,500
SPCK....$1,500
STGA....$1,500
VD......$1,500
PRM.....$1,100
BTVA....$1,000
BANG....$500
LEB.....Small
LEX.....Small
OD......Small
ROCK....Small
RP......Small
SCAR....Small
SCD.....Small
ACES....Small
HOP.....??
HP......??


$50 on a longshot is much different than $50 on the favorite.
If you know the pool size, current amount that's on your pick and your estimate of Fair Price
then the Excel attachment I posted on this thread will show how your bet size effects the Overlay.

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=58681

[lamboguy]

i saw rockingham park with $8000 win pools this year. rockingham used to be the biggest harness track in america before medowlands was open. the people that own rockingham claimed that they had a profitable meet this year even without slots.

[Canarsie]

That is good stuff thanks Ray :ThmbUp:

I'm going to have to visit the harness forum here guess I've been ignorant. Finished 25th in the M1 survival contest (harness) last meet I'll start posting some picks and angles I use.

I like the flats more but always seem to get better prices (win) at harness tracks. Without Trackmaster Platinum I would be lost find it indispensable.

[badcompany]

It's amazing the size of the pools Northfield gets considering the garbage that runs, there. The horseman must've made a horrible deal. The purses should be much bigger.

[Trotman]

Nice work Ray2000 always enjoy you're input. As one other poster replied with regards to Windsor and Flammy, IMO leave em alone if you want profit you better be on the inside "BIG TIME".

[Zippy Chippy]

Thx Ray. I am completely shocked about DD and May.. I thought they were smallish

[Ray2000]

Thanks guys

I noticed a bad error on The Meadows, should be more like $6000 win pools. The Canadian tracks are the most accurate, since they publish their handles/pools. The US tracks I did by hand and don't include as many nights. I never did Tioga.

[badcompany]

Thx Ray. I am completely shocked about DD and May.. I thought they were smallish

I think Maywood get a lot of money because it starts and ends later and for a time is the only game in town. Dover also runs during a time when there isn't much competition.

[Zman179]

Scarborough, Bangor, Plainridge, Running Aces for sure. Not as much at Western, Georgian, Windsor, Flamboro and Dover.

The first four I mentioned are the smallest harness pools I know of. :)

You've got that right. I've seen win pools at Scarborough, Bangor and Running Aces that were less than $500. Lebanon and Raceway Park can crack $500, but $1000 is pushing it.

On a Monday or Tuesday, you can catch win pools at Plainridge over $2000, sometimes $3000; but on a Thursday or Saturday, forget it. They'll stay in the triple digits.