What if Aqueduct got Polytrack?

[tzipi]

Would this build up Aqueduct as a premiere East Coast track? Hear me out.

Someone mentioned it as a full polytrack because turf races get carded off so many times. BUT what if they got rid of just the outer track and put in polytrack. Now you have a track with polytrack,a dirt track, and a turf course. So Aqueduct runs from Nov to April. You can run the turf course until Dec then card the turf races for the polytrack which we all know runs exactly like turf because of the none kick back and firm footing the horses get on it.
You will have turf horses coming over and up to Aqueduct,which does not have bad purses at all for winter racing. You also have the winterized dirt track for the whole winter. It would be a winter "turf"/dirt racetrack with good purses and maybe some nice stakes added. So when racing is dead from Nov till mid Jan,Aqueduct could have some nice races/stakes and good purses for dirt and turf horses and be one of THE "it" tracks for winter in the nation.

So we get fuller fields,better betting interests,etc. Now, I'm not a big fan of poly,but I think this would make Aqueduct a bigger track on the racing circuit and build it up to what it used to be. NOW,I KNOW it's money and they want a racino,but I thought this would be a cool idea. Just an opinion :)

Any thought what you would think if it became a 3 surface track for all of the winter if they got the money to do so? Would some of the good turf horses stay up here maybe because of the poly and boost Aqueduct with better racing?

[therussmeister]

I'm not sure any northern track could become an "it" track in winter. I'm guessing any horseman who could afford to would rather stay warm in Florida, even if NY offered better purses.

[tzipi]

I'm not sure any northern track could become an "it" track in winter. I'm guessing any horseman who could afford to would rather stay warm in Florida, even if NY offered better purses.

Yeah,true I can see that. I just thought it would be cool to have a 3 surface Aqueduct racetrack which would open all kinds of options for them and winter racing in NY. Just a thought that popped up.

[the_fat_man]

NYRA has TWO turf courses EACH at BEL and SAR and YET can't seem to ever get a FULL CARD of SCHEDULED TURF racing in. Do you realize that ONLY NYRA takes races off the turf when the conditions are good enough to have racing over them? (Excluding those days, of course, where the course is in poor condition but a major stake race is run over it.)

You really think that anyone who focuses primarily on TURF and POLY will EVER bet into the NYRA pools seriously again? Do you have any idea how many HOURS NYRA cost me this year by taking races off the turf? The most important thing to me is TIME and I really have to be a DUMBASS to give any more of it to NYRA. They've certainly shownld that they value the time/effort of handicappers. :rolleyes:

Personally, I'm very pleased that HANDLE at NYRA tracks is DOWN. The ****ers at NYRA somehow are of the mistaken belief that they're the only game in town. That DIRT racing has some SPECIAL VALUE to handicappers that would allow NYRA to **** with them. Plenty of BETTER racing elsewhere.

NYRA can SHOVE their PRODUCT, as far as I'm concerned. They're going to have to KISS MY FAT ASS, for a long time, to get my business again. And, what's sweet about the whole thing is that I'm not the only customer they lost.

Yeah: off the turf for no reason and NO LIVE FEEDS. :lol::lol:

And you want to TRUST these IDIOTS with a third surface? :lol::bang:

[tzipi]

NYRA has TWO turf courses EACH at BEL and SAR and YET can't seem to ever get a FULL CARD of SCHEDULED TURF racing in. Do you realize that ONLY NYRA takes races off the turf when the conditions are good enough to have racing over them? (Excluding those days, of course, where the course is in poor condition but a major stake race is run over it.)

You really think that anyone who focuses primarily on TURF and POLY will EVER bet into the NYRA pools seriously again? Do you have any idea how many HOURS NYRA cost me this year by taking races off the turf? The most important thing to me is TIME and I really have to be a DUMBASS to give any more of it to NYRA. They've certainly shownld that they value the time/effort of handicappers. :rolleyes:

Personally, I'm very pleased that HANDLE at NYRA tracks is DOWN. The ****ers at NYRA somehow are of the mistaken belief that they're the only game in town. That DIRT racing has some SPECIAL VALUE to handicappers that would allow NYRA to **** with them. Plenty of BETTER racing elsewhere.

NYRA can SHOVE their PRODUCT, as far as I'm concerned. They're going to have to KISS MY FAT ASS, for a long time, to get my business again. And, what's sweet about the whole thing is that I'm not the only customer they lost.

Yeah: off the turf for no reason and NO LIVE FEEDS. :lol::lol:

And you want to TRUST these IDIOTS with a third surface? :lol::bang:

Yeah I totally understand what you have said. I was just trying to think of something that could boost them and save them. The racino is not going to help IMO. SL green one of the front runners for it wants that VALUABLE land so bad to build on. It will kill the racing after a short while. They do not want that part of the product,just the money making casino. Supposedly insiders have said MANY racinos will kill off the failing racing product after a while and get a green light to expand casino and build or sell off vauable land.
The just said they(racinos) will take care of racing so they could get in the door for the money making casino. Tracks were way too lazy to fix it themselves and got into bed with the wrong people as a short fix IMO.

[cmoore]

NYRA has TWO turf courses EACH at BEL and SAR and YET can't seem to ever get a FULL CARD of SCHEDULED TURF racing in. Do you realize that ONLY NYRA takes races off the turf when the conditions are good enough to have racing over them? (Excluding those days, of course, where the course is in poor condition but a major stake race is run over it.)

You really think that anyone who focuses primarily on TURF and POLY will EVER bet into the NYRA pools seriously again? Do you have any idea how many HOURS NYRA cost me this year by taking races off the turf? The most important thing to me is TIME and I really have to be a DUMBASS to give any more of it to NYRA. They've certainly shownld that they value the time/effort of handicappers. :rolleyes:

Personally, I'm very pleased that HANDLE at NYRA tracks is DOWN. The ****ers at NYRA somehow are of the mistaken belief that they're the only game in town. That DIRT racing has some SPECIAL VALUE to handicappers that would allow NYRA to **** with them. Plenty of BETTER racing elsewhere.

NYRA can SHOVE their PRODUCT, as far as I'm concerned. They're going to have to KISS MY FAT ASS, for a long time, to get my business again. And, what's sweet about the whole thing is that I'm not the only customer they lost.

Yeah: off the turf for no reason and NO LIVE FEEDS. :lol::lol:

And you want to TRUST these IDIOTS with a third surface? :lol::bang:

Fat man.. Delete some of your private messages..Its FULL.

[CincyHorseplayer]

Given that synthetics have taken an edge off the premier status of the California tracks I'd say no.It wouldn't bring any prestige to Aqueduct.

Or any northern winter track IMO.

[tzipi]

Given that synthetics have taken an edge off the premier status of the California tracks I'd say no.It wouldn't bring any prestige to Aqueduct.

Or any northern winter track IMO.

Well,was just a thought about trying to save Aqueduct. Well the racino will be worse. They are going to bury the racing. Like most will end up doing.

http://bulletin.aarp.org/states/ky/2009/24/articles/are_racinos_saving_horse_industry_other_states.htm l

[Steve 'StatMan']

Of course, if that casino company wants to kill off the racing to takeover the whole plot, then NYRA wouldn't invest more money into the track, esp. for a Synthtic Surface.

With east coast turf racing at both GP and TAM, and also at FG, there are places for both the high-level and mid-level turf horses to run during the winter, if they indeed are turf horses. As for Synthtics, once Woodbine closes for winter, there is just Turfway out east, and GG & Hol/SA, but those would card races for all levels of Synthetic Horses. The winterized Inner Dirt is likely the alternative, not sure how much different it is than the winter dirt at Philly Park (big slot purses), and the other northern full-sized dirt tracks already running. I don't see the other Synthetic tracks wanting to run in winter - frankly their blend of Synth may not be as suitable for winter as their normal dates.

[illinoisbred]

Didn't Turfway have big problems with their polytrack the 1st winter? I think I remember reading that the material "caked" and strongly adhered to the undersides and private areas of horses. Some trainers were using cooking spray to avoid these problems.

[Tom]

Actually, I like the idea. Three surfaces, no waiting!
It makes sense to me......if poly is here to stay, have the option of grass horses to stay home and offer the opportunity to try out the plastic instead of shipping out.

[andymays]

If I could I'd send them all the Pro Ride, Cushion Track, Poly Track, and Tapeta they can handle. At least it rains there once in a while. ;)

[Robert Goren]

It would be the final death blow to a track already in a lot of trouble. I don't mind Poly but most betters hate it. JMO

[Marshall Bennett]

I'd quit betting Aqueduct . :)

[46zilzal]

I'd quit betting Aqueduct .
My favorite venue would be lost and I would have to find another.

[Dahoss9698]

NYRA has TWO turf courses EACH at BEL and SAR and YET can't seem to ever get a FULL CARD of SCHEDULED TURF racing in. Do you realize that ONLY NYRA takes races off the turf when the conditions are good enough to have racing over them? (Excluding those days, of course, where the course is in poor condition but a major stake race is run over it.)



ONLY NYRA takes races off the turf when conditions are good enough to run over them? Really?

Did you watch this past Keeneland meet? Before they installed POLY, I can remember Keeneland taking only a handful of races off the turf in years. Maybe. Now they rush to take them off. Why is that?

[RockHardTen1985]

ONLY NYRA takes races off the turf when conditions are good enough to run over them? Really?

Did you watch this past Keeneland meet? Before they installed POLY, I can remember Keeneland taking only a handful of races off the turf in years. Maybe. Now they rush to take them off. Why is that?



Wrong.

[Jackal]

I doubt AQU will ever change to a synthetic surface. New Yorkers that still frequent AQU like it just the way it is right now. Next you have to get the horsemen on board. Good Luck! Nick Zito (Mr New York) doesn't like to race on the rug. Breeders have been breeding horses to race on natural NY dirt for years.

I don't think the NYRA will chance a synthetic surface for many years to come. SA is scheduled to be auctioned off in February. Hollywood Park will soon be condos and a shopping center. I can't find an upside to synthetic tracks. Woodbine is the only North American track reporting lower track maintenance costs.

It would cost approximately $10 million to convert the inner track to dirt. Who is going to finance a losing proposition? AQU is having problems refurbishing the grandstand. One would think the grandstand is a priority. Not to mention the $200 million deposit for a slot license.

The NYRA has enough on their plate without trying to install a synthetic surface, that no one wants.

[cj]

Has anyone noticed how dreadful NY breds are on the turf? Can you imagine a parade of NY breds on polytrack? You might have to cut back to 6 races a day to get them in before dark.

[Trotman]

:lol: Right on CJ

[Tom]

We are close to that on dirt now!

How do you k ow a race is for NY Breds?
The ambulance is blowing the horn. :lol:

[macdiarmida]

How do you know a race is for NY Breds?
By the time they get back to unsaddle, the apprentices voices have changed.

3 different type tracks would be a good idea. Unless you think slots will never happen at AQU either, that should provide enough $$ for an AW surface. But an AW surface should give them days where they would have to otherwise cancel, plus field sizes where people would want to bet. So there's recovery of investment $$ there. I see a problem of picking the suitable brand, but they have enough data from the f*ups in the West to make an informed choice. Okay, so they can still f* that up. Psst! Tapeta!

If Phila and the surrounding area are inundated but the roads are okay enough to ship horses on, they ain't crossing the border to WOX. But they could come to an AQU all-weather track. They may like the slots dividend at home, but you can't make any of that if you can't run. Plus owners can/will come out for their horses from the surrounding areas. Only the snowbirds can stand in the winners circle in Fla if their horses run there. I could see enough shippers coming in to squeeze down the number of NYbred races into fields of 12.

Originally Posted by Jackal
New Yorkers that still frequent AQU like it just the way it is right now.
Isn't that the problem? When the movie "300" came out, I thought they were talking about the weekday crowd at AQU.

Nick Zito (Mr New York) doesn't like to race on the rug.
Neither does Moss and Sheriffs, but they do. And since Zito is King of winter racing in NY (not), not to mention Aqueduct (not), he has a lot of influence on the decision, eh?

SA is scheduled to be auctioned off in February. Hollywood Park will soon be condos and a shopping center.
Frank is intending on buying SA for himself at the expense of his stockholders. I wouldn't be surprised if he bids on Hollypark. Neither track is going to to the developer soon, because there's no development money to be had, least of all for condos and shopping centers.

The NYRA has enough on their plate without trying to install a synthetic surface, that no one wants.
It sounds like you've written off AQU anyway (so that the NYRA guys can give themselves a big bonus for a job well done in making it a place you don't want to go to). So what's wrong with making an effort that could pay off down the road?

BTW, why so many scratches at AQU when there's just rain? Granted, it's a lot, but it would considered a regular day for the NW where most don't scratch. They're generally all bred for wet racing. Teach your horses to swim, willya?

[cees with dees]

The only good thing about NYRA is they are too cheap to even consider the cost of a new surface.
To even suggest yet another ruination of another racetrack with an artificial surface is moronic.
You want poly? Bet the ping pong balls at Keeneland, Woodbine, Hollywood and all of the other tracks that have become ridiculous.
The U.S. is the richest country in the world.
The Japan Cup had a 16 horse field with the lowest money earner in the field at 1.7 million dollars. From the U.S. I might add.
Tokyo Race Course was jam packed with people and here we look at empty grandstands day after day.
What is wrong with this picture?? Rhetorical.
There is just too much racing!! And polytrack just adds to the confusion in a game that has already too many variables.
Instead of a synthetic surface, stop winter racing in NY and give the people what we need, a break.
Ben