Ones I'm watching for Derby Trail

[abe]

Here's my list of the top 15 I'm watching as of now for next years Derby Trail. All have some Graded Stakes earnings. Worldly, Toboggan Slide, Super Saver, Soaring Empire, Seattle Ruler, Noble's Promise, Mission Impazible, Looking at Lucky, Korvette Kid, Get My Fix, Citrus Kid, Buddy's Saint, Bear Though Guy, American Lion, and Aegean. Some have already moved to Florida to get ready(I like those). A few will stay in California(need to ship east to a dirt track early on). Some may stay in New York(I don't like their chances if they do). Some may stay in Canada(won't like these either). It's always interesting as to where they train for their run. I like those who go for dirt(Florida, LA), if they stay in CA, they need to ship early to see if they like dirt. Those who stay up north probably need to stay there next May. :cool:

[keithw84]

Backtalk? Homeboykris?

[dansan]

here's who Im watching any horsey calvin borel is on with decent odds :jump:

[W2G]

Winslow Homer is one to watch. Will winter in FL and try the Holy Bull next.

[FlyinLate]

Winslow Homer is one to watch. Will winter in FL and try the Holy Bull next.

Was just about to post this one.
Buddy on another forum was pretty high on this colt before his last start and needless to say after that start I am as well.

[onefast99]

Chief Counsel will be ready for the Derby.

[Sundown]

Are there any horses worth mentioning at/going to The Fairgrounds or Oaklawn?

[Rialto]

Something tells me American Lion is going to be a triple crown factor...

[Rialto]

I also like Buddy's saint, Super Saver, Seattle Ruler

[Rialto]

A Soft Breeze
Ad Infinitum
Afleet Express
Aikenite
Alphie's Bet
American Lion
Appealing Afare
Aspire
Auto King
Bear's Hard Ten
Beautician
Beautiful Pear
Between Raindrops
Bickersons
Big Man Has a Sign
Black Pen
Blazing Gibson
Bold Type
Bridgetown
Buddy's Saint
Bwana Moja
Camp Bret
Capote Ruler
Christine Daae
Ciao Bellissima
Cinco Emayo
City Trooper
Condesa El Prado
Conga Bella
Count Her In
Cuff Me
D' Funnybone
Decelerator
Devient Behavior
Donia
Dreaminofjosephine
Drosselmeyer
Enumerate
Eskendereya
Excellent News
Excessive Chatter
Fair Lady Olivia
Fly Down
Fuzzy's Story
Gator Tiger
Get My Fix
Golden Horizon
Hammering Buckeye
He's a Dia Lucrii
Hennessy God
Ibboyee
Imperatriz
Infamous Spin
Interactif
It Tiz
Itssultryinthecape
Joey's Best
Jolineator
Jungle Chief
Kaiser Chief
Kettle River
Lady Adelle
Lakes Inn
Launch N Relaunch
Leading Indicator
Lethargic
Lieu Dit
Lookin At Lucky
Lucida
Man Chester Man
Maximus Ruler
Memory Harbor
Michaels Jila
Mikeymike
Millennia
Mine N Gems
Miss Heather Lee
Miss K. O.
Miss Seamless
Mister Marti Gras
My Midnite Stroll
Napili Point
New Millennium
No Net
Noble's Promise
North of Alaska
Not Abroad
Oak Motte
Oceans of Honey
Opus A n
Otto Von Voom
Our Commander
Piscitelli
Pounced
Pulsion
Quay Lime Guy
Ravin in the Heat
Resentless
Rig's Runner
Rule
Sassy Image
Savemyspotimbeting
Say It Twice
Seattle Ruler
Second and One
She Be Wild
Sheskey
Shrimp Dancer
Silver Sparkster
Sky Fever
Snowbound Gina
Sourdough Sam
Southern Defender
Southern Saint
Speedacious
Speedy Hit
Star of Sapphire
Super Saver
Sweet Lemon Chello
Switch
Tahitian Warrior
Tanker Yanker
That's How I Roll
The Mailet
The Sun Demon
Thunderful
Time N Expense
Too Much Wine
Turf Melody
Twirling Candy
Uh Oh Bango
Veecu
Visavis
Who's Up n
William's Kitten
Would I Would I
Yemen
Yogi's Valentine
Zen Village

I am going to be adding more horses and making notes to the stable based on morning workouts and race results up until probably 2 weeks into january, then I will most like try to cut the barn down to 100 horses... I want to be able to play a lot of the 'road to the triple crown' undercard races aswell, so having a solid 100 horses to track should be sufficient. Main thing I really need to work on right now is making more notes for my current horses.. I have notes on about 25% of them, plus the virtual stable updates that are constantly flowing in..

[Rialto]

This is what I have so far for notes and reference:
Hollywood Prevue S (gr. III), $100,000g, 2yo, 7f. 11/21/09 Hollywood Race 8
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/race/USA/HOL/2009/11/21/8/hollywood-prevue-s
Notables: American Lion seems to have a lot potential. Get My Fix and Seattle Ruler ran promising closes


Moccasin S, $100,000g, 2yo fillies, 7f. 11/22/09 Hollywood Race 8
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/race/USA/HOL/2009/11/22/8/moccasin-s
Notables: Bickersons very strong in the stretch. Decent chase from Miss Heather Lee.


Remsen S (gr. II), $200,000g, 2yo, 9f. 11/28/09 Aqueduct
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/race/USA/AQU/2009/11/28/7/remsen-s
Notables: Buddy's Saint looks extremely promising.


Demoiselle S (gr. II), $200,000g, 2yo fillies, 9f. 11/28/09 Aqueduct
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/race/USA/AQU/2009/11/28/6/demoiselle-s
Notables: Not a lot of class in this race, Tizahit ran ok...


Golden Rod S (gr. II), $150,000a, 2yo fillies, 8.5f. 11/28/09 Churchill
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/race/USA/CD/2009/11/28/9/golden-rod-s
Notables: Sassy Image looke decent in the stretch. Decelerator tired bad in the stretch.


Kentucky Jockey Club S (gr. II), $150,000a, 2yo, 8.5f. 11/28/09 Churchill
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/race/USA/CD/2009/11/28/11/kentucky-jockey-club-s
Notables: Super Saver looks very strong in the stretch. William's Kitten decent runner up


Generous S (gr. IIIT), $100,000g, 2yo, 8f (turf). 11/28/09 Hollywood
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/race/USA/HOL/2009/11/28/5/generous-s
Notables: Who's Up was strong.

Pennsylvania Nursery S (R), $75,000a, 2yo, c/g, 7f. 11/28/09 Philly Park


Kingarvie S (R), $125,000g, 2yo, Ontario-sired, 8.5f 11/28/09 Woodbine
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/race/CAN/WO/2009/11/28/6/kingarvie-s
Notables: Joey's Best was strong


Miesque S (gr. IIIT), $100,000g, 2yo fillies, 8f (turf) 11/29/09 Hollywood
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/race/USA/HOL/2009/11/29/5/miesque-s
Notables: The Mailet showed some talent.


Ontario Lassie S (R), $150,000g, 2yo fillies, 8.5f. 11/29/09 Woodbine
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/race/CAN/WO/2009/11/29/6/ontario-lassie-s
Notables: Resentless looked very good.


Queen Alexandra S (R), $65,000a, 2yo f, New York-bred, 6f. 11/29/09 Aqueduct


Boyd Gaming's Delta Jackpot S (gr. III), $750,000g, 2yo, 8.5f. 12/4/09 Delta Downs
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/race/usa/ded/2009/12/4/9/boyd-gamings-delta-jackpot-s
Notables: Rule and Uh Oh Bango looked good dueling in the stretch.


Delta Princess Powered by Youbet.com (gr. III), $500,000g, 2yo fillies, 8f. 12/4/09 Delta Downs
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/race/usa/ded/2009/12/4/7/boyd-gamings-delta-princess-s-powered-by-youbetcom-s
Notables: Quiet Temper ran well, much the best here.


Pat Whitworth Illinois Debutante S (R), $100,000e, 2yo fillies, 8.5f. 12/5/09 Hawthorne
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/race/USA/HAW/2009/12/5/7/pat-whitworth-illinois-debutante-s
Notables: Sweet Lemon Chello looks good winning easily

Groovy S (R), $50,000g, 2yo, Texas-bred, 7f. 12/5/09


Display S, $150,000g, 2yo, 8.5f. 12/5/09 Woodbine
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/race/CAN/WO/2009/12/5/7/display-s
Notables: Bear's Hard Ten has potential talent.


Damon Runyon S (R), $65,000a, 2yo, New York-bred, 8.32f. 12/6/09 Aqueduct
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/race/USA/AQU/2009/12/6/7/damon-runyon-s
Notables: Ibboyee very game in stretch. City Trooper and Shrimp Dancer also showed well


East View S (R), $65,000a, 2yo f, New York-bred, 8.32f. 12/6/09 Aqueduct
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/race/USA/AQU/2009/12/6/8/east-view-s
Notables: Opus A shows some real talent.


New Mexico Eddy County S (R), $120,000a, 2yo, 8f. 12/6/09 Zia Park
Notables: Rig's Runner

Louisiana Champions Day Juvenile S (R), $100,000g, 2yo, 6f. 12/12/09 Fairgrounds
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/race/USA/FG/2009/12/12/7/louisiana-champions-day-juvenile-s
Notables: Trainer Merrill R. Scherer goes 1-2 with this tandem; Red Rally and Devilish Due


Louisiana Champions Day Lassie S (R), $100,000g, 2yo f, 6f. 12/12/09 Fairgrounds
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/race/USA/FG/2009/12/12/8/louisiana-champions-day-lassie-s
Notables: Speedacious romped by double digits


Gold Rush S, $50,000g, 2yo, 8f. 12/12/09 Golden Gate
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/race/USA/GG/2009/12/12/8/gold-rush-s
Notables: Sourdough Sam looks a little like the pamplemousse


Jim Edgar Illinois Futurity (R), $100,000e, 2yo, c/g, 8.5f. 12/12/09 Hawthorne
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/race/USA/HAW/2009/12/12/7/jim-edgar-illinois-futurity
Notables: Devient Behavior simply the best here.


Maryland Juvenile Championship S (R), $50,000g, 2yo, c/g, 7.5f. 12/12/09 Laurel
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/race/USA/LRL/2009/12/12/8/maryland-juvenile-championship-s
Notables: Our Commander and Not Abroad had a gamely match race down the stretch


Springboard Mile, $200,000g, 2yo, 8f. 12/13/09 Remington
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/race/USA/RP/2009/12/13/10/springboard-mile-s
Notables: Turf Melody and Man Chester Man

[Rialto]

Look at all that glorious info with nobody to appreciate it.. Looks like I'll be getting rich all by myself this year.,... :D

[Rialto]

I have been tracking all the most promising 2 yo's at all the major tracks; Aqueduct, Belmont, Calder, Churchill, Delta, Fair Grounds, Golden Gate, Gulfstream, Hawthorne, Hollywood, Keeneland, Oaklawn, Philly, Penn National, Santa Anita, Turf Paradise and Turfway.

For my Stable I look for 2 yo's (exclusively) that work at fractions of :12 or better for 4,5 and 6 furlong workouts, sometimes 3F if its really impressive (sub :35 or so)... or if the horse was the fastest of the day but not workling under :12 splits indicating that the track was probably slow that day.

Also, obviously any horse that looks good in a 2 yo stakes race..

I use the equibase workout page.. check it every day... hopefully by mid january or so I'll have pretty much every possible triple crown prospect in the stable... then I can start eliminating horses and dividing the horses between undercard racers and stakes runners and bigtime contenders... my ultimate goal is be able to play really strong pick 3 and pick 4 wagers on the weekends this spring.. so having at least 100 strong horses in the virtual stable is necessary..

Alright more later...

[lamboguy]

i think if you are really paying attention, you better put WILDCAT FRANKIE right at the top of your lists. if you give any creedance to byer numbers he got a 95 first time out. i have never seen anything produce that type of a number, and i can tell you that i personally know there is alot more underneath him that he didn't procuce last saturday in calder's 6th race. put that together with the guy that trained him got a little experience in getting horses to win tripple crown races you might have something there.

[illinoisbred]

Just my 2 cents here-you can probably remove the filly Sweet Lemon Chello.She ran no better than 2 of 3 4,000 claiming fields that day.Yes, some improvement should be likely as a 3 yr. old but she'll need it just to win the Nw2x for State-Breds, and that will most likely be sprinting. Devient Behavior did run a good race, in fact the same figure-wise as the winner did a few years back and that one did win the supporting stake on Illinois Derby day as a 3 yr. old. I would think he'll show up in an early stake at Oaklawn-we shall see.

[Rialto]

Yes, I will definitely add wildcat frankie to my stable, thank you for the tip lambo!!

True that filly sweet lemon chello is not a major contender but im definitely keeping her in the stable at least until i start cutting horses out like a month from now.. she still might find a good spot in an undercard race this spring that could play into a pick 3 or 4.. ya never know..



Anybody else that has a 2 yo prospect.. please tell.. i'd love to add them to my stable!!

[Rialto]

I have added about 10 more since last update..

Ad Infinitum
Afleet Express
Aikenite
Alphie's Bet
American Lion
Appealing Afare
Aspire
Auto King
Bear's Hard Ten
Beautician
Beautiful Pear
Between Raindrops
Bickersons
Big Man Has a Sign
Black Pen
Blazing Gibson
Blueribbonbrew
Bold Type
Bridgetown
Buddy's Saint
Bwana Moja
Camp Bret
Capote Ruler
Christine Daae
Ciao Bellissima
Cinco Emayo
City Trooper
Condesa El Prado
Conga Bella
Count Her In
Cuff Me
D' Funnybone
Decelerator
Devient Behavior
Domonation
Donia
Dreaminofjosephine
Drosselmeyer
Dryfly
Enumerate
Eskendereya
Excellent News
Excessive Chatter
Fair Lady Olivia
Fandino
Fly Down
Fuzzy's Story
Gator Tiger
Get My Fix
Glorious Review
Golden Horizon
Grey Striver
Hammering Buckeye
He's a Dia Lucrii
Hennessy God
Ibboyee
Imperatriz
Infamous Spin
Interactif
It Tiz
Itssultryinthecape
Joey's Best
Jolineator
Judge Sonya
Jungle Chief
Kaiser Chief
Kettle River
Lady Adelle
Lakes Inn
Launch N Relaunch
Leading Indicator
Lethargic
Lieu Dit
Lookin At Lucky
Lucida
Man Chester Man
Maximus Ruler
Memory Harbor
Michaels Jila
Mikeymike
Millennia
Mine N Gems
Miss Heather Lee
Miss K. O.
Miss Seamless
Mister Marti Gras
My Midnite Stroll
Napili Point
New Millennium
No Net
Noble's Promise
North of Alaska
Not Abroad
Oak Motte
Oceans of Honey
Opus A
Otto Von Voom
Our Commander
Piscitelli
Pounced
Pulsion
Quay Lime Guy
Raton Pass
Ravin in the Heat
Resentless
Rig's Runner
Rock Solid Charm (IRE)
Rule
Sassy Image
Savemyspotimbeting
Say It Twice
Seattle Ruler
Second and One
She Be Wild
Sheskey
Shrimp Dancer
Sidney's Candy
Silver Sparkster
Sky Fever
Snowbound Gina
Sourdough Sam
Southern Defender
Southern Saint
Speedacious
Speedy Hit
Star of Sapphire
Sun Bear
Super Saver
Sweet Lemon Chello
Switch
Tahitian Warrior
Tanker Yanker
That's How I Roll
The Mailet
The Sun Demon
Thunderful
Time N Expense
Too Much Wine
Turf Melody
Twirling Candy
Uh Oh Bango
Veecu
Via Verde
Visavis
Who's Up
Wildcat Frankie
William's Kitten
Witty Gal
Would I Would I
Yemen
Yogi's Valentine
Zen Village

[Rialto]

looking forward to the cash call futurity... NTRA doesnt have the card up yet for the 19th.... hopefully tomorrow...

[Sundown]

Just checked back in here today, looks like a lot of work and thanks. I'll be checking back on a regular basis. Looking to go to the Lecomte in January.

[Rialto]

Oh yeah Sundown... I'm going to be putting in a lot of work on this forum in the next few months... hope to see you around!!!

[Rialto]

http://www.bloodhorse.com/pdf/CashCallFuturity09PP.PDF


Still don't see any odds up yet for the race.... I'm assuming that Looking At Lucky will be less than even money at post time..

[Rialto]

American Lion
Your Comment:

Date: December 17, 2009
Track: SANTA ANITA PARK

Distance: Four Furlongs
Time: 51:00 Handily

Track Condition: Fast
Surface: All Weather Track

Rank: 55/60


Should I be worried about this slow work? Was he just getting a warm up in or something?

[Rialto]

http://www.drf.com/formulator-web/FreeRace.do?trackId=HOL&country=USA&raceDate=20091220&dayEvening=D&raceNumber=9#past-performance-race/9

Hopefully this link works.. It takes a minute to load but it works.

[Rialto]

I like rose catherine for the price also bickersons for a show bet possibly

[WinterTriangle]

i think if you are really paying attention, you better put WILDCAT FRANKIE right at the top of your lists. if you give any creedance to byer numbers he got a 95 first time out. i have never seen anything produce that type of a number, and i can tell you that i personally know there is alot more underneath him that he didn't procuce last saturday in calder's 6th race. put that together with the guy that trained him got a little experience in getting horses to win tripple crown races you might have something there.

Read my problems with him here:
http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/showthread.php?p=804731#post804731

Not saying can't happen, but he would have the most unusual dosage pattern of any horse who has ever competed in a TC race as far as I'm concerned.

I would however, be singing his praises for anything 6F and maybe up to 7F though. He ran a gorgeous race.

[WinterTriangle]

My prelim "derby horse" list is quite long. I threw together these ONLY because they passed my sires/damsires screen for distance, and top sires for getting 9F (not on racing ability, which is a separate list way way longer than this :) for instance, Backtalk or Afleet Express didn't qualify in both categories):


American Lion
Buddy's Saint
Caracortado
Citrus Kid - another fav
Discreetly Mine
Eskendereya - another fav
Fenway Faithful
Flatter than Me
Ghost Fleet
Gun Rock
Homeboykris
Interactif - my favorite
Lost Aptitude
Louisville Luminary
Looking at Lucky
Missionimpazzible
Peppi Knows
Pounced
Pulsion
Rule
Soaring Empire
Super Saver - my 2nd fav
Theskyisthelimit
Turf Melody
U Appeal to Me
Vale of York
Walking the Beach
Wave Me By - another fav
Williams Kitten
Winslow Homer
Worldly

[Rialto]

Yes, I like this one as well... Follow pretty much his every workout...

[Rialto]

CashCall Futurity (gr. I), $750,000g, 2yo, 8.5f. 12/19/09
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/race/USA/HOL/2009/12/19/9/cashcall-futurity
Notables: Looking At Lucky got an easy trip. Nobles Promise nabbed 2nd.
Stuka S (R), $50,000a, 2yo, non-winners of $50,000 in 2009, 6.5f.
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/race/USA/HOL/2009/12/19/4/stuka-s
Notables: Tiz Chrome won a by a good margin
Hollywood Starlet (gr. I), $300,000g, 2yo f, 8.5f. 12/20/09 Hollywood
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/race/USA/HOL/2009/12/20/9/hollywood-starlet-s
Notables: Blind Luck rompin' in the stretch
Enchantress S (R), $125,000g, 2yo f, New Mexico-bred, 8f. 12/20/09 Sunland
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/race/USA/SUN/2009/12/20/10/enchantress-s
Notables: Not much class in this race, King's Water Lilly ran ok.

[Rialto]

I guess the virtual stable can only hold 200 horses... Now over the next week I need to start eliminating cause there are a few more that I need to add that I can't... I know a few that I can pitch out for sure..... like 50 of them... just a lot of work...

[bisket]

winter; a good source mentioned walking the beach. he's in my stable. i haven't seen him race yet myself, but trust where i heard it from.

[bisket]

rialto i admire your enthusiasm. you need to channel it a little more. knock that list down to about 20 :ThmbUp: this is an enjoyable time of year to be a racing fan

[bisket]

winter; a good source mentioned walking the beach. he's in my stable. i haven't seen him race yet myself, but trust where i heard it from.
only problem is he's at fairgrounds. maybe its the track, but 3 year old races at fairgrounds don't have any pace with them. thats why the two derby horses from their didn't show much derby day the past 2 years. pyro and friesan fire.

[Rialto]

rialto i admire your enthusiasm. you need to channel it a little more. knock that list down to about 20 :ThmbUp: this is an enjoyable time of year to be a racing fan


I want to have about 100... so I can master the weekend guarenteed pick4 pools and pick 3s this spring

[WinterTriangle]

I haven't put up my females list yet. Maybe next week.

[Rialto]

Seemed to bounce back from his last poor work with a decently sharp one this morning

American Lion
Your Comment: TripleCrownTrail


Date: December 23, 2009
Track: SANTA ANITA PARK

Distance: Four Furlongs
Time: 47:20 Handily

Track Condition: Fast
Surface: All Weather Track

Rank: 4/45

Cant wait to see him race agian!!!

[Rialto]

Slow work
Drosselmeyer
Your Comment: TripleCrown

Date: December 23, 2009
Track: PAYSON PARK TRAINING CENTER
Distance: Three Furlongs
Time: 39:40 Breezing

Track Condition: Fast
Surface: Dirt

Rank: 6/7

was this like the first time the horse has run on dirt or something

[phatbastard]

i wouldn't be too quick writing off a slow work @ Payson Park

[Cat Thief]

Holy chit that is a big list. I usually start a list at Road to the Roses time i n Feb. to pick my stable and my list is usually only 40 or so

[WinterTriangle]

Caracortado


Won the Calif. Breeders race today over Alphies Bet and La Nez.
Paid $6.20 unbelievable, drifted up from 9/5
Tell me about jockey: Atkinson, P

[Dahoss9698]

Baffert really does seem loaded. He unveiled another good looking 2 year old in the finale at Santa Anita in Concord Point. Race seemed quick and I was visually impressed with him being able to sustain his move, despite being green coming into the lane. One to watch I think, and will be interesting to see if he handles dirt.

[WinterTriangle]

I forgot to mention Caracortado is 4-4-0-0 as of today. :) It's only his 4th race and he's already won a stakes.

I had left him hanging on my list because I wanted to see if he could get distance, today he got 8.5F in the stakes.:jump:

Of course, we still have to see if he can do dirt. I don't get too excited over these CALI races

[I Love NYRA]

Is this the Dutrow colt who won a race at Saratoga this summer on Alabama Day? Gray I think? He had a far outside post that day? :rolleyes:

[W2G]

Is this the Dutrow colt who won a race at Saratoga this summer on Alabama Day? Gray I think? He had a far outside post that day? :rolleyes:

That was Winslow Homer, who is reported to be "blossoming" at Palm Meadows.

[WinterTriangle]

One of my top Derby horses (not on my list because he didn't run yet) is finally racing on Wed. :jump:

I'm so excited, I simply cannot wait to see this AP Indy / Azeri colt on the track.


:jump: :jump: :jump:

[SmartyLane]

One of my top Derby horses (not on my list because he didn't run yet) is finally racing on Wed. :jump:

I'm so excited, I simply cannot wait to see this AP Indy / Azeri colt on the track.


:jump: :jump: :jump:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRMGN8-pZZU

Wow thanks for the heads up..........what a runner once he got going. watch from the 2:30 mark on in the video. Shows some slowmo shots in the stetch. he really has a great stride. Head low and has a great stride.

Is this the Vallenzeri colt that was all the hype????? It would have to be if it is the AP and Azeri colt right?

[MutuelClerk]

Concord Point.


You're welcome.

[WinterTriangle]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRMGN8-pZZU

Wow thanks for the heads up..........what a runner once he got going. watch from the 2:30 mark on in the video. Shows some slowmo shots in the stetch. he really has a great stride. Head low and has a great stride.

Is this the Vallenzeri colt that was all the hype????? It would have to be if it is the AP and Azeri colt right?

Yes, his name "was" Vallenzeri was renamed Take Control.

I got off him at the end and didn't wager the race after all. He was pretty green, first race, ran from post 1....didn't wanna put real $ on him.

A mile was a good run for this though. I actually thought a different horse would win today.


Mutuel, Concord Point.....thanks, I'm gonna watch him. I dunno though, I think this horse will be a turfer. And not sure about Derby distance. Tapit (and Pulpits i.e Pyro) don't seem to do well at Derby and TC distances. There is another Tapit daugher born in 2006, named Grabit, who is a turfer.

Did Tapit every run past 1 1/8 and win any back-to-back at that distance? He was 9th in the Derby.
Laragh also a Tapit, and was great on turf, but also never ran over 1 1/16. Then we have Stardom Bound, who I don't think of as a Derby distance horse. I think she was 5th when she tried 1 1/2. I don't see a derby history type horse in Tapits, that's just IMHO. I like them on turf though.

Concord Point ran his first race at 6F on AWD this week and I can't base anything off that, esp. when his pedigree isn't as good to me as some of the ones who were "born to run" TC races.

What was it specifically that you liked about him---perhaps you can sway me. :)

[lamboguy]

i got to give baffert a double thumbs up for an exquisite job on take control as far as i can see he has great action, on the gallop out he looked fantastic suggesting distance is no problem. i don't have any problem with the fact that baffert started him around 2 turns for his first race like many would. flower alley started off going long and he was a real nice horse too.

[Dahoss9698]

Concord Point.


You're welcome.

I mentioned him a few posts up. I thought his debut was one of the better ones I have seen this year.





Mutuel, Concord Point.....thanks, I'm gonna watch him. I dunno though, I think this horse will be a turfer. And not sure about Derby distance. Tapit (and Pulpits i.e Pyro) don't seem to do well at Derby and TC distances. There is another Tapit daugher born in 2006, named Grabit, who is a turfer.

Did Tapit every run past 1 1/8 and win any back-to-back at that distance? He was 9th in the Derby.
Laragh also a Tapit, and was great on turf, but also never ran over 1 1/16. Then we have Stardom Bound, who I don't think of as a Derby distance horse. I think she was 5th when she tried 1 1/2. I don't see a derby history type horse in Tapits, that's just IMHO. I like them on turf though.

Concord Point ran his first race at 6F on AWD this week and I can't base anything off that, esp. when his pedigree isn't as good to me as some of the ones who were "born to run" TC races.

What was it specifically that you liked about him---perhaps you can sway me. :)

It might be a bit premature to think Tapit's don't do well at classic distances. He has only had one crop of 3 year olds to compete so far, which was this year. Among them was Careless Jewel, who won the 10 furlong Alabama Stakes. I didn't think much of Tapit as a horse, but his progeny can run.

As far as Concord Point goes, I thought it was impressive that he was able to move a bit early, then hold off the closers. Time was pretty quick, and he was green coming into the stretch. I like horses that show enough speed to be involved early in a sprint, then can finish up as well. I don't think the stretchout will be a problem, but dirt is the question mark.

[WinterTriangle]

It might be a bit premature to think Tapit's don't do well at classic distances. He has only had one crop of 3 year olds to compete so far, which was this year.

I agree that is true.

As far as Concord Point goes, I thought it was impressive that he was able to move a bit early, then hold off the closers. Time was pretty quick, and he was green coming into the stretch. I like horses that show enough speed to be involved early in a sprint, then can finish up as well. I don't think the stretchout will be a problem, but dirt is the question mark.

I think he will be a monster on synth. My question marks were dirt and also distance on dirt.

[FlyinLate]

There are 5 that I really have my eye on right now (in no particular order)

Buddy's Saint
Winslow Homer
Aikenite
Tiz Chrome
Take Control

[WinterTriangle]

Nice job.

So does anyone here like to mess around with pedigree handicapping?

According to stuff I did last night, (I only use pedigree stuff for TC related races, too much work to do on a regular basis.) It's fun to play around with, a friend of mine did some kind of "scoring" with a new pedigree system he invented, and also came up with the same results:

(His system gave Ibboyee 400 points LESS than Laus Deo). The horses who had the top pedigee on both sire and broodmare sire side for distances 8-8.5F (based on wins and ITM %) were Peppi Knows (Stephen Got Even/Seeking the Gold over 20% on both sides) but he was scratched. So that left the #5 (Louis Quartize / Proud Truth about 20% but only on sire side) and the #6 (Quiet American/Spend a Buck over 20% on both sides) and the #7 (Afleet Alex/Wild Again over 30% but only on broodmare side).

Ibboyee (#2) had great stats.... could theoretically do well over 9F, but for turf (broodmare sire Penticulus). Of course, that doesn't mean he won't be great on dirt, I just would love to see him try turf.

I just do it because I enjoy it, way more than PPs, esp. for youngsters.
Over time, I've tracked my results with 2 year olds and maidens using pedigree versus PPs, and the former has been way more profitable. At any rate, it was "profitable" today. :) But mostly, fun.

This year I will add broodmare sire side to top sires at Oaklawn who win. I don't think you can base things on sire, which is about as deep as most people go when handicapping with pedigree, because thats what is listed on the PP.

[WinterTriangle]

Worldly


Ran 2nd yesterday at FG, would have won but had a bit of troubled trip. This horse is out of one of top sires for getting over 9F, so he's a derby runner for me.

Stay Put (Broken Vow) won it, did 2 turns like he was just getting started, and I am adding to list, as that Dixieland Band broodmare side is dangerous!


Walking the Beach didn't lift a hoof, though much touted, and finished off the board. Both his damsire and sire show capability of running 8F+, but he's not as good as worldly, or stay put, IMHO, and yesterday showed that, unless he was having a bad day.

I'm adding a few new ones today, but won't put out list til it gets down to 25 or so.

[Dahoss9698]

Just curious what you thought was troubled about Worldly's trip yesterday. He ran well, but to me it looked like he sat a good drafting trip. Came out, took over and was run down late. I didn't see any trouble.

I thought Wow Wow Wow ran okay in the race also. Wide, moved a bit prematurely. Depending on where he shows up next, I might be interested in betting him.

[Rialto]

California Breeders' Champion S (R), 2yo, c/g, 8.5f. 12/26/09 Santa Anita
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/race/USA/SA/2009/12/26/6/california-breeders-champion-s
Notables: Caracortado had a good rail trip.
Red Hedeman Mile (R), $125,000g, 2yo, 8f. 12/26/09 Sunland
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/race/USA/SUN/2009/12/26/10/red-hedeman-mile-h
Notables: Huntin The Trash, Rig's Runner and Train Rider Blues all looked game.
California Breeders' Champion S (R), 2yo f, 8.5f. 12/27/09 Santa Anita
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/race/USA/SA/2009/12/27/4/california-breeders-champion-s
Notables: Evening Jewel looked ok.
Riley Allison Futurity, $100,000a, 2yo, 6.5f. 12/29/09 Sunland
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/race/USA/SUN/2009/12/29/10/riley-allison-futurity
Notables: Grand Slam Andre and Lydia's Last Step bested the field.
Louisiana Futurity (R), $50,000a, 2yo, 6f. 12/31/09 Fair Grounds
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/race/USA/FG/2009/12/31/5/louisiana-futurity
Notables: Red Rally blows out the field.

[Rialto]

California Oaks, $75,000g, 3yo f, 8.5f. 01/01/10 Golden Gate
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/race/USA/GG/2010/1/1/3/california-oaks
Notables: Antares and Fashion Trend easily bested the field.
Blue Norther S, $65,000a, 3yo f, 8f (turf). 01/01/10 Santa Anita
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/race/USA/SA/2010/1/1/3/blue-norther-s
Notables: In The Slips and Jet Blue Girl ran good closes.
Count Fleet S, $65,000a, 3yo, 8.32f. 01/02/10 Aqueduct
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/race/USA/AQU/2010/1/2/8/count-fleet-s
Notables: Laus Deo and Worth A Buck ran well.
Tropical Park Derby (gr. IIIT), $100,000g, 3yo, 9f (turf). 01/02/10 Calder
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/race/USA/CRC/2010/1/1/10/tropical-park-derby-gr-3
Notables: Fly By Phil and Lost Aptitude ran well in the muck.

[Rialto]

Looking forward to the 9th when there are a few more 3 yo stakes races

[bisket]

wildcat frankie is entered in the spectacular bid stakes at gulfstream on saturday

[Rialto]

AHHHHH I just saw that!!!! WOW I cant wait!!!

What kind of odds will he bring do y'all think?

[lamboguy]

i thought they put him in an allowance race. guess they changed their minds.

all i ccan tell you about that guy is he has plenty of gas in the tank and is very well winded.

[Dahoss9698]

i thought they put him in an allowance race. guess they changed their minds.

all i ccan tell you about that guy is he has plenty of gas in the tank and is very well winded.

I know you and I were discussing who Wildcat Frankie beat first time out, but I'm too lazy to find the thread. So far, horses coming out of his race have been....9th beaten 20 in a msw at Gulfstream, 9th beaten 40 in a msw at Calder, 7th beaten 9 in a mcl 16k at Calder, 4th beaten 14 in a mcl 16k at Calder.

This actually came up a pretty good race and I don't know if I want a short price on a horse like Wildcat Frankie. Just my opinion.

[bisket]

i'm thinking frankie is gonna be around 7-1

[WinterTriangle]

Best race this week, IMHO: Tomorrow!

1Mile for 3 y old allowance, Race 8, Gulfstream.

[bisket]

allowances at gulfstream can be = to a grade 3 stakes sometimes. when it comes to 3 year olds. i haven't seen any pps, but i wonder if anthony dutrow's horse is the one that i heard about. word was he had a good one this year. i was hoping it would be the race of the day, but it wasn't. i don't have time to handicap the card; so its not worthwhile buuying the pps. i'll look at the chart tomorrow evening.

[Dahoss9698]

i'm thinking frankie is gonna be around 7-1

What makes you think that?

[bisket]

because calder is a step down from kentucky and new york. he won't be a strong fav if thats what your thinking.

[Dahoss9698]

because calder is a step down from kentucky and new york. he won't be a strong fav if thats what your thinking.

I think at worst he'll be second choice behind Discreetly Mine, but I think he's going to be the chalk. You have a horse with a strong figure first out, that won by 15+ lengths and has been hyped since the race.

Who do you think is going to take more money than him?

[WinterTriangle]

What makes you think that?

Because Wildcat Frankie's gonna finish 4th---- at best? ;)

I can't imagine Discreetly Mine and one of those Dutrow horses not running over him. The Ward horse, too. I kinda like the less favorite of the Dutrow runners, but I haven't handicapped the race yet.

[bisket]

just bought the pps, and will look into it.

[Dahoss9698]

Because Wildcat Frankie's gonna finish 4th---- at best? ;)

I can't imagine Discreetly Mine and one of those Dutrow horses not running over him. The Ward horse, too. I kinda like the less favorite of the Dutrow runners, but I haven't handicapped the race yet.

Yeah, I sort of like the two Dutrow's myself, although I have only looked at the race for a few minutes.

Discreetly Mine will probably fire his best as well, being fresh, although he won't offer much value. Neat little race.

[bisket]

yes a little warm :ThmbUp: .

[WinterTriangle]

Best race this week, IMHO: Tomorrow!

1Mile for 3 y old allowance, Race 8, Gulfstream.

So. back to this one. 12 horse field with 3 waiting in the wings. Some of my KY Derby possibles in this one--Eskendereya, Bank the Eight, Prince Will I Am, Middle of the Night, Thank U Phillipe, Pleasant Prince, etc.

Eskendereya and Bank the Eight most dangerous. Thank U Phillipe will be in the mix, he ran 2nd to Jackson Bend and Buddy's Saint.

Launch and Relaunch perfect for this distance....not sure about him, just won MSW at AQ. I think I'll wait. Steph's Sonnet (Pulpit) never been past 5.5F, Pleasant Prince dangerous closer type and just won MSW at CDX...I'm gonna wait for him to run longer than a mile, he will love longer. Prince Will I Am is also bred for longer and for turf, but I love Michelle Nihei so I might have to play him somewhere.....smart cookie, Michelle. (Most of you know, she was a neuroscientist Ph.D. at John Hopkins who chucked it all to train horses. Nice looking woman, too, rides in workouts as well. Didn't know anyting about horse racing til she was doing her doctorate and happened to attend a horse race in KY. I love these kind of stories of passion.) :jump:

Albertini is very high on his Middle of the Night, but I don't see a win from post 12, he's not ready, hasn't run a mile yet. Repent, shortening up here, I'll pass. Coupla more Calder horses in this one and some I'm not familiar with.

Eskendereya, Bank the Eight, and Thank U Phillipe are the ones who can win this thing as far as I can see.

Any insight on the others in this? I really don't know many of these Calder horses since I don't play CRC.

[WinterTriangle]

yes a little warm :ThmbUp: .

well yeah, I did like him a little better out of the dutrow horses, but Westover Wildcat has some pretty killer stats.

remember, notonthesamepage won this last year, and he was already running against some pretty mean horsies, and had run some stakes races too.

Oh, and lemee know about my race 8 tomorrow, I posted my thoughts above...

( I am really not a gulfstream player, not good at that track, unfamiliar with it,so probably won't play many races there.)

[lamboguy]

I know you and I were discussing who Wildcat Frankie beat first time out, but I'm too lazy to find the thread. So far, horses coming out of his race have been....9th beaten 20 in a msw at Gulfstream, 9th beaten 40 in a msw at Calder, 7th beaten 9 in a mcl 16k at Calder, 4th beaten 14 in a mcl 16k at Calder.

This actually came up a pretty good race and I don't know if I want a short price on a horse like Wildcat Frankie. Just my opinion.the race FRANKIE came out of flat out sucked. even i can't bet more than $10 wps on him sentimentally. i am going to say this for him, he does not have distance limitations, he is good winded, and he loves to eat and train. more often than not when a horse has to step up to a strong race like this coming off a multi length win without a challenge during the race, they tend to underachieve. he is no chicken either. if you play him make sure you get more than 5-1 for value. he still only has one vs horses with more.

[Dahoss9698]

the race FRANKIE came out of flat out sucked. even i can't bet more than $10 wps on him sentimentally. i am going to say this for him, he does not have distance limitations, he is good winded, and he loves to eat and train. more often than not when a horse has to step up to a strong race like this coming off a multi length win without a challenge during the race, they tend to underachieve. he is no chicken either. if you play him make sure you get more than 5-1 for value. he still only has one vs horses with more.

I don't like him at all in this spot and will be shocked if he's 5-1.

[lamboguy]

I don't like him at all in this spot and will be shocked if he's 5-1.the guy that owns this horse is probably the top owner in the last 40 years. FRANK BERTOLINO knows all about spotting horses in their right spots.

he has probably started more horse in the last 40 years than anyone alive today. he is not a loser in the horseracing business either unlike most. for him to enter FRANKIE in this spot means he has a pretty good idea that the horse will perform at his best level.

[Dahoss9698]

the guy that owns this horse is probably the top owner in the last 40 years. FRANK BERTOLINO knows all about spotting horses in their right spots.

he has probably started more horse in the last 40 years than anyone alive today. he is not a loser in the horseracing business either unlike most. for him to enter FRANKIE in this spot means he has a pretty good idea that the horse will perform at his best level.

Again with the hyperbole....

I never said anything about the owner, or his ability to spot a horse. I don't like the horse in the race. I thought his debut was overrated, considering he beat absolute junk and at an underlaid price, which I think he will be, I don't think he's a good bet. You don't either, judging by your previous post.

[WinterTriangle]

the guy that owns this horse is probably the top owner in the last 40 years. FRANK BERTOLINO knows all about spotting horses in their right spots.

he has probably started more horse in the last 40 years than anyone alive today. he is not a loser in the horseracing business either unlike most. for him to enter FRANKIE in this spot means he has a pretty good idea that the horse will perform at his best level.

Well, I do put credence in that, since I play trainers who I think can do this.

I will not bet him to win, but maybe he will be ITM. I think he's a nice lil horse, just not here against some of these others.

[Rialto]

I was thinking like 3-1 or 4-1....

[Rialto]

highweighted....

[lamboguy]

Again with the hyperbole....

I never said anything about the owner, or his ability to spot a horse. I don't like the horse in the race. I thought his debut was overrated, considering he beat absolute junk and at an underlaid price, which I think he will be, I don't think he's a good bet. You don't either, judging by your previous post.if horse racing was a cut and dry event everyone would be millionaire's. WILDCAT FRANKIE beat a terrible group of maidens. so it is unlikely but not impossible for this horse to run a big race. its not his fault that the race he ran in was empty, he still performed. there have been other's before WILDCAT FRANKIE to exit weak maiden race victories, such as SECRETARIAT.

[Dahoss9698]

if horse racing was a cut and dry event everyone would be millionaire's. WILDCAT FRANKIE beat a terrible group of maidens. so it is unlikely but not impossible for this horse to run a big race. its not his fault that the race he ran in was empty, he still performed. there have been other's before WILDCAT FRANKIE to exit weak maiden race victories, such as SECRETARIAT.

Here's my problem....you're taking both sides of the fence here. First you say he isn't a good bet in this race. Now you are defending his chances in the race.

Either way you are right. If he wins, you say, told you so. And, if he doesn't you say, told you he wasn't a good bet, but will be next time. If the horse is as good as you think, 2 or 3-1 is actually a fair price for a bet. So why not bet more than $10 wps?

And sure, it's not at all impossible that he wins this race. If he takes another step forward, he probably does win. I just don't think he does.

[lamboguy]

Here's my problem....you're taking both sides of the fence here. First you say he isn't a good bet in this race. Now you are defending his chances in the race.

Either way you are right. If he wins, you say, told you so. And, if he doesn't you say, told you he wasn't a good bet, but will be next time. If the horse is as good as you think, 2 or 3-1 is actually a fair price for a bet. So why not bet more than $10 wps?

And sure, it's not at all impossible that he wins this race. If he takes another step forward, he probably does win. I just don't think he does.i don't bet horses like that coming out of terrible races, i just tried to make a case for him. i am certainly going to root for him to win. and i am not going to bet another horse in the race. either. all i am saying is that this one has some kind of a chance, he worked better than ever the other day. when you are this young good horses improve in leaps and bounds. that is what makes champions. for him to do anything saturday he has to show big improvement, he is facing real good ones in this spot.

[Rialto]

Im just gonna put like $5 WPS on him go downtown and watch the race on a 50" flat and enjoy the hell out of it...

[Rialto]

No reason to stress to much about this race.... Still so early in the season... Im just excited for this one because the season is starting to heat up... this race is like adding that first big peice of wood to the fire after you get the newspaper goin

[Rialto]

Frankie 7-2

Discretely mine 5-2

Westover wilcat 6-1

Grands Times 4-1




Going to have to look into this grandtimes

[Rialto]

P# PP Horse Virtual
Stable A/S Med Jockey Wgt Trainer M/L
1 1 Call Shot (KY) 3/C L* J R Leparoux 116 W M Catalano 12/1

2 2 Discreetly Mine (KY) 3/C L J R Velazquez 116 T A Pletcher 5/2

3 3 Wildcat Frankie (FL) 3/C L P Lopez 116 J Hatchett 7/2

4 4 Mr. Green (FL) 3/G L L Saez 116 M D Wolfson 6/1

5 5 Westover Wildcat (KY) 3/C L R A Dominguez 120 A W Dutrow 6/1

6 6 Barry's Money (FL) 3/C L E Castro 116 B R Rose 30/1

7 7 Grand Times (FL) 3/C L J L Castanon 116 W A Ward 4/1

8 8 Sum Champ (KY) 3/C L E Trujillo 116 W P White 15/1

9 9 A Little Warm (VA) 3/C L J Rose 116 A W Dutrow 8/1

[WinterTriangle]

Eskendereya and Bank the Eight most dangerous. Thank U Phillipe will be in the mix, he ran 2nd to Jackson Bend and Buddy's Saint.

Launch and Relaunch perfect for this distance....not sure about him, just won MSW at AQ. I think I'll wait. Steph's Sonnet (Pulpit) never been past 5.5F, Pleasant Prince dangerous closer type and just won MSW at CDX...I'm gonna wait for him to run longer than a mile, he will love longer. Prince Will I Am is also bred for longer and for turf, but I love Michelle Nihei so I might have to play him somewhere.....smart cookie, Michelle. (Most of you know, she was a neuroscientist Ph.D. at John Hopkins who chucked it all to train horses. Nice looking woman, too, rides in workouts as well. Didn't know anyting about horse racing til she was doing her doctorate and happened to attend a horse race in KY. I love these kind of stories of passion.) :jump:

Albertini is very high on his Middle of the Night, but I don't see a win from post 12, he's not ready, hasn't run a mile yet. Repent, shortening up here, I'll pass. Coupla more Calder horses in this one and some I'm not familiar with.

Eskendereya, Bank the Eight, and Thank U Phillipe are the ones who can win this thing as far as I can see.



Was a non-betting race for me.

Eskendereya made it look easy, with Thank U running 2nd, Middle of the Night got up for 3rd (I thought he did GREAT from post 12!), and Zito's horse at 30-1 serving as the longshot to complete the superfecta.

Dunno what happened to Bank the Eight. Launch and Relaunch was vet scratched.:confused:

[Rialto]

01/03/2010-CALDER RACE COURSE-Five Furlongs-Dirt Fast-1.01:60 Handily
12/08/2009-CALDER RACE COURSE-Four Furlongs-Dirt Fast-49:40 Breezing
11/28/2009-CALDER RACE COURSE-Four Furlongs-Dirt Fast-52:00 Breezing

[Rialto]

I have never really heard of this jockey before or the trainer for frankie

[Sundown]

Link to BloodHorse article talking to Pletcher about the 3 year olds he has in training.

http://cs.bloodhorse.com/blogs/triplecrowntalk/archive/2010/01/08/pletcher-loaded-for-run-at-2010-kentucky-derby.aspx

[Dahoss9698]

Hard to get a real good gauge of Wildcat Frankie due to the track condition. He ran well, better than I thought though. I'm very skeptical though that he's going to be able to stretch out.

[lamboguy]

when i looked at the race this morning i thought it came up pretty weak. frankie wound up running good and probably ran quite a bit better than the eventual winner due to the major bias on the outside of the track today with all the mud. the only thing i could make of the race is that he was able to run with better horses than he beat his maiden race

[Dahoss9698]

when i looked at the race this morning i thought it came up pretty weak. frankie wound up running good and probably ran quite a bit better than the eventual winner due to the major bias on the outside of the track today with all the mud. the only thing i could make of the race is that he was able to run with better horses than he beat his maiden race

I have no idea how you can possibly think he ran better than the winner. Especially considering he clobbered Discreetly Mine twice. He ran well. He might be able to win some sprint stakes. I don't think there is any way he stretches out though and there is no way he ran better than the horse that beat him decisively.

[lamboguy]

I have no idea how you can possibly think he ran better than the winner. Especially considering he clobbered Discreetly Mine twice. He ran well. He might be able to win some sprint stakes. I don't think there is any way he stretches out though and there is no way he ran better than the horse that beat him decisively.no that horse is built to go long, he lost this race the day they had the draw, he ran on the part of the track that was like running in quick sand. he was bothered a bit on the turn but i don't think that is what cost him the race. i am sure when he stetches out he will be alot better.

it is hard to qualify this horse to be a grade 1 winner after losing to this weak bunch. he is a good horse and surely the further distance will suit him better, but i don't think it will make as much of a difference to get him to win in may.

[Dahoss9698]

no that horse is built to go long, he lost this race the day they had the draw, he ran on the part of the track that was like running in quick sand. he was bothered a bit on the turn but i don't think that is what cost him the race. i am sure when he stetches out he will be alot better.

You win. I can't wait until he stretches out and you can play both sides of the fence and be right either way.

[lamboguy]

You win. I can't wait until he stretches out and you can play both sides of the fence and be right either way.i wasn't trying to get this both ways, the horse that WILDCAT FRANKIE lost to is not going to any race this year in KENTUCKY. i just pointed out that the track was very deep inside today, the horse did run good against semi legitamate horses on the worst part of the track. for the way that frankie trained coming into the race i expected him to run alot better no matter what the bias was.

[Dahoss9698]

i wasn't trying to get this both ways, the horse that WILDCAT FRANKIE lost to is not going to any race this year in KENTUCKY. i just pointed out that the track was very deep inside today, the horse did run good against semi legitamate horses on the worst part of the track. for the way that frankie trained coming into the race i expected him to run alot better no matter what the bias was.

You've been playing both sides the entire time.
Whatever, I'm just not going to watse my time anymore.

[WinterTriangle]

I kinda like the less favorite of the Dutrow runners, but I haven't handicapped the race yet.

Well he did win the race. :) A Little Warm.

Looks like we had the right one to win, Bisket and Dahoss! I know you guys liked him too.

frankie ran very well, surprised he came in 2nd.

[lamboguy]

You've been playing both sides the entire time.
Whatever, I'm just not going to watse my time anymore.i guess if we were all perfect there would be no need to come on this board, we would all be multimillionaires. for those that had the winner today congrradulations on your good pick and cashing. that to me is what the game is all about. my opinion's are nothing more than guess'es.

[bisket]

i wouldn't give up on frankie just yet. he was running inside on the lead on a track that had become outside and closer friendly. although a little warm got the furlong between the 4th and 5th furlongs in 11 seconds. thats nothing to sneeze at. its already evident warm has 2 moves in a race, but can he get a route. time will tell. these two are still on my list

[Rialto]

With about a 1/4 left he checked into discretely mine, i believe, and almost got dq'd... he was trying to go for that rail but there was somebody there this time.. he probably should have ben dq'd.. BUT


FRANKIE GOT THAT FIRE!!!! winner for me on the WPS!!!

[bisket]

i was very happy frankie didn't get dq'd because i hit the tri in that race. i would have been cussin johnny v for the next 2 years if the stewards gave in

[WinterTriangle]

i wouldn't give up on frankie just yet.

Nothin wrong with 2nd. If you figure in the veering, maybe 3rd. He's young yet, plenty of time to train.

Bisket you asked if A Little Warm can route. His sire is Stormin Fever, Broodmare sire is Alydar. So yes, he can route. His pedigree stats show a classic tendency 8-2-14-0-0 with a dosage index of 2.43 and a CD of 0.75

Wildcat Frankie is Wildcat Heir and Beg Big. Neither is distance oriented, not derby distance, and his dosage is 1-3-2-0-0 Only 2 pts in classic is not a good sign. He is speed oriented. (I already knew that). On top of that, his dosage index is 5.00. I have *never* wagered a horse to win the KY derby with a dosage index that high. But hey, that's just me. 4.00 is my cut-off.

So, I think Frankie will be great on the track. A Little Warm will be a better Derby contender if you're looking down the line. Both are Northern Dancer sire line. Not to mention, if there's a KY Derby on, I'm gonna take Dutrow over Hatchett. :)

[WinterTriangle]

PS Dr. Roman already took note......he's put up A Little Warm's performance figure for the race.....it's pretty darn good (-64) In the neighborhood of Midshipman, Crown of Thorns, Mushka, Battle of Hastings, for a simple comparison. Of course, these change race-to-race, for instance, RAchel Alexandra's was (-61) in the Preakness, but was a tad different in other races. Big Brown had around (-75) or something bizzarely high and so did Curlin

[lamboguy]

PS Dr. Roman already took note......he's put up A Little Warm's performance figure for the race.....it's pretty darn good (-64) In the neighborhood of Midshipman, Crown of Thorns, Mushka, Battle of Hastings, for a simple comparison. Of course, these change race-to-race, for instance, RAchel Alexandra's was (-61) in the Preakness, but was a tad different in other races. Big Brown had around (-75) or something bizzarely high and so did Curlinbefore the race i didn't feel that it was that strong. the 2 horses that finished 1-2 had broken their maidens the race before. the thing about WILDCAT FRANKIE was that he still raced very greenly. his instructions were to break on top and get to the best part of the track, the horse fought him and remained on the inside. i don't know how much water he drank after the race, but it did look like he got tired at the end of the race. he certainly learned alot from the race and should run alot better going a further distance.

[bisket]

a simple thing alot of trainers do to get a horse to relax (its what dutrow did with brown a few years back) is to hope for outside posts. or work frankie some in company in the 4-5 path. horses are always worked along the rail. so whenever they are running inside they are more aggressive. most horses that break fast like frankie are naturally aggressive types. it doesn't suprise me he didn't want to get off the rail.

[Rialto]

Old Hat S (gr. III), $100,000g, 3yo f, 6f. 01/09/10 Gulfstream
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/race/USA/GP/2010/1/9/9/old-hat-s
Notables: Richiegirlgonewild looked ok
Spectacular Bid S, $100,000g, 3yo, 6f. 01/09/10 Gulfstream
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/race/USA/GP/2010/1/9/5/spectacular-bid-s
Notables: A Little Warm looked good closing, Wildcat Frankie gave a great effort.
Santa Ysabel S (gr. III), $100,000g, 3yo f, 8.5f. 01/10/10 Santa Anita
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/race/USA/SA/2010/1/10/8/santa-ysabel-s
Notables: Crisp looks good closing, very game.

[lamboguy]

a simple thing alot of trainers do to get a horse to relax (its what dutrow did with brown a few years back) is to hope for outside posts. or work frankie some in company in the 4-5 path. horses are always worked along the rail. so whenever they are running inside they are more aggressive. most horses that break fast like frankie are naturally aggressive types. it doesn't suprise me he didn't want to get off the rail.before his last race WILDCAT FRANKIE worked down the lane with other horses, that's why he gave him the shot in the SPECTACULAR BID. i am partial, but i think that FRANKIE ran as good a race as you can run that day. everything that won was on the outside of the track. the guy that owns FRANKIE is a sharp as anyone alive as far as racing horses goes. in life FRANK BERTOLINO had a very tragic year, his mother died at age 90, and one of his sons died as well. having a nice horse does not make up for the sadness he has endured, but it helps a little. i hope he doesn't sell the horse like he usually does.

[bisket]

these are the things that seperate a router from a sprinter. its worhtwhile to try and train some of aggressiveness out of him early in a race, but at some point they may have to just let the horse do what he wants. this is what pletcher is trying to do with quality road. trying to get him to not be so aggressive early in a race. sometimes it just makes them not aggressive at all though. this is honestly what i'm wondering is what's happening with quality road. he looked like a pussy cat in the hal's hope, but he's also letting horses pass him in the stretch. last spring that never would have happened.

[Rialto]

Race: 7 Distance: One And One Sixteenth Miles Surface: Turf Age: 3 – Colt
Race Type: Allowance Purse: $ 48,000
Jockey: Cornelio H. Velasquez
Trainer: Richard E. Dutrow, Jr.
Race conditions: FOR THREE YEAR OLDS WHICH HAVE NEVER WON A RACE OTHER THAN MAIDEN, CLAIMING OR STARTER OR WHICH HAVE NEVER WON TWO RACES. Weight, 124 lbs. Non-winners Of $21,000 At A Mile Or Over Since December 13, 2009 Allowed 2 lbs. Non-winners Of A Race At A Mile Or Over Since November 13, 2009 Allowed 4 lbs. (Races Where Entered For $30,000 Or Less Not Considered In Allowances) (Condition Eligibility). (If deemed inadvisable to run this race over the turf course, it will be run on the main track at One Mile) (Rail at 12 feet).
Last Raced: 11/28/2009 at AQUEDUCT in Race 2
Finish Position: 1st
Last Reported Workouts:
01/08/2010-GULFSTREAM PARK-Five Furlongs-Dirt Fast-1.03:30 Breezing
01/02/2010-GULFSTREAM PARK-Five Furlongs-Dirt Fast-1.03:80 Breezing
12/26/2009-GULFSTREAM PARK-Six Furlongs-Dirt Fast-1.14:10 Breezing

[Rialto]

Why turf for this colt?

The connections must be reconsidering any type of triple crown bid

[Rialto]

I see that if conditions are bad they will run it on the dirt... weather report for tomorrow in miami is for only partly cloudy...

[Rialto]

Look at all the 3yo stakes in the next 6 days!

Genesis S, $60,000g, 3yo f, 7f. 01/15/10 Delta Downs
Triple Sec, $60,000g, 3yo, 7f. 01/15/10 Delta Downs
Dixie Belle S, $50,000g, 3yo f, 6f. 01/15/10 Oaklawn
California Derby, $100,000g, 3yo, 8.5f. 01/16/10 Golden Gate
Dania Beach S, $100,000g, 3yo, 8f (turf). 01/16/10 Gulfstream
Santa Ynez S (gr. II), $150,000g, 3yo f, 7f. 01/16/10 Santa Anita
San Rafael S (gr. III), $100,000g, 3yo, 8f. 01/16/10 Santa Anita
La Senora H (R), $125,000g, 3yo f, 6f. 01/16/10 Sunland
Gasparilla S, $50,000g, 3yo f, 7f. 01/16/10 Tampa Bay
Pasco S, $50,000g, 3yo, 7f. 01/16/10 Tampa Bay
Sweetest Chant S, $100,000g, 3yo f, 8f (turf). 01/17/10 Gulfstream
Jimmy Winkfield S, $65,000a, 3yo, 6f. 01/18/10 Aqueduct
Smarty Jones S, $100,000g, 3yo, 8f. 01/18/10 Oaklawn
O.T.O.B.A. Stallion S (R), $16,500a, 3yo, 6f. 01/18/10 Portland
San Pedro S, $70,000a, 3yo, 6.5f. 01/18/10 Santa Anita

[Dahoss9698]

I thought Wow Wow Wow ran okay in the race also. Wide, moved a bit prematurely. Depending on where he shows up next, I might be interested in betting him.

Going today in the Smarty Jones at Oaklawn. Will be forced wide again due to the 12 post, but if he's near his ML of 20-1, it's worth a few dollars to win for me.

[Robert Fischer]

he ran a good race^

[Dahoss9698]

:lol:

I didn't bet, as I wanted no part of him at 8-1. Did you happen to see the race though? He probably stinks, but he had no shot at all. But, I'm sure you knew that already, as sharp as you are.

[Robert Fischer]

yea i saw it , i thought your horse ran good and never had a fair shot.
Borel can dominate those jockeys when he has the best horse or even a strong tactical speed.
I wasn't derby struck by anyone, winner included, but I happened to see a horse that might be ok as well.

[Rialto]

He ran today on the gulfstream dirt and did pretty terrible as a 3/2 favorite..

Housekeeping coming soon for last weekends 3 yo stakes action...

[Robert Fischer]

do you guys know anything about Jackson Bend's connections?

I noticed Lapenta. Was that a recent change of hands, and change of location/trainer or just a buy-in ...??

I am not convinced that Jackson Bend couldn't give Uptowncharliebrown at least a good workout ;)

wouldn't mind seeing those 2 hook up with one or two big-barn talents in the Sam F Davis

[Dahoss9698]

do you guys know anything about Jackson Bend's connections?

I noticed Lapenta. Was that a recent change of hands, and change of location/trainer or just a buy-in ...??

I am not convinced that Jackson Bend couldn't give Uptowncharliebrown at least a good workout ;)

wouldn't mind seeing those 2 hook up with one or two big-barn talents in the Sam F Davis

Lapenta purchased from Jacks or Better Farms after the In Reality at Calder in October. Transfered him from Stanley Gold to Zito. he's supposed to make his 3 year old debut this Saturday in the Holy Bull at Gulfstream.

[Robert Fischer]

Lapenta purchased from Jacks or Better Farms after the In Reality at Calder in October. Transfered him from Stanley Gold to Zito. he's supposed to make his 3 year old debut this Saturday in the Holy Bull at Gulfstream.
thanks I'll want to see that race

[Dahoss9698]

thanks I'll want to see that race

If the horses that are probable end up going, it's shaping up to be a real nice race.

[Robert Fischer]

entries up http://www.drf.com/static/entries/23/eGP23.html?rn=278633
pps http://www.gulfstreampark.com/NR/rdonlyres/60851F68-70CE-4DD8-B27E-167F5CA2032A/28757/HolyBullPPS.pdf

a strong field of 9 pre scratch

[WinterTriangle]

Going today in the Smarty Jones at Oaklawn. Will be forced wide again due to the 12 post, but if he's near his ML of 20-1, it's worth a few dollars to win for me.

He looked good in the paddock. Post position didn't do him any favors. I thought he ran well.

[Rialto]

Barbaro's full brother looked pretty good today...

[Rialto]

Genesis S, $60,000g, 3yo f, 7f. 01/15/10 Delta Downs
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/race/USA/DED/2010/1/15/8/genesis-s
Notables: Bad break for almost all starters, Bella Diamonte had decent close, Tin Top Cat won.
Triple Sec, $60,000g, 3yo, 7f. 01/15/10 Delta Downs
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/race/USA/DED/2010/1/15/6/triple-sec-s
Notables: Big Texas Daddy made a good move but Coyote Legend was easily the best here.
California Derby, $100,000g, 3yo, 8.5f. 01/16/10 Golden Gate
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/race/USA/GG/2010/1/16/8/california-derby
Notables: Ranger Heartley was game, Connemara beaten favorite
Dania Beach S, $100,000g, 3yo, 8f (turf). 01/16/10 Gulfstream
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/race/USA/GP/2010/1/16/6/dania-beach-s
Notables: Nordic Truce very fast close. Bim Bam and Call Shot did ok.
Santa Ynez S (gr. II), $150,000g, 3yo f, 7f. 01/16/10 Santa Anita
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/race/USA/SA/2010/1/16/5/santa-ynez-s-gr-2
Notables: Amen Hallelujah strong close. Franny Freud looked ok.
San Rafael S (gr. III), $100,000g, 3yo, 8f. 01/16/10 Santa Anita
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/race/USA/SA/2010/1/16/3/san-rafael-s-gr-3
Notables: Conveyance heavy favorite win, Cardiff Giant gave a decent threat, Domonation good close.
La Senora H (R), $125,000g, 3yo f, 6f. 01/16/10 Sunland
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/race/USA/SUN/2010/1/16/10/lasenora-s
Notables: Glory Be Mine was the simply the best
Gasparilla S, $50,000g, 3yo f, 7f. 01/16/10 Tampa Bay
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/race/USA/TAM/2010/1/16/8/gasparilla-s
Notables: Diva Delite was strong.
Pasco S, $50,000g, 3yo, 7f. 01/16/10 Tampa Bay
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/race/USA/TAM/2010/1/16/9/pasco-s
Notables: Uptowncharlybrown had even more.
Sweetest Chant S, $100,000g, 3yo f, 8f (turf). 01/17/10 Gulfstream
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/race/USA/GP/2010/1/17/9/sweetest-chant-s
Notables: Sassy Image was best, Blackwell ran ok.
Jimmy Winkfield S, $65,000a, 3yo, 6f. 01/18/10 Aqueduct
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/race/USA/AQU/2010/1/18/8/jimmy-winkfield-s
Notables: Deputy Daney and Red Bengal easily bested the field.
Smarty Jones S, $100,000g, 3yo, 8f. 01/18/10 Oaklawn
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/race/USA/OP/2010/1/18/8/smarty-jones-s
Notables: Dryfly was easily the best with Borel. Pleasant Storm had a decent close.

[Horsefeathers]

Hi everyone,
I'm a part owner of Uptowncharlybrown so of course my opinion is biased LOL I am anxiously looking forward to the Sam F. Davis, which is taking me all sorts of planes, trains, and automobiles to get to!

[bisket]

Hi everyone,
I'm a part owner of Uptowncharlybrown so of course my opinion is biased LOL I am anxiously looking forward to the Sam F. Davis, which is taking me all sorts of planes, trains, and automobiles to get to!
well i think you may have a derby horse there. he needs to get a little smoother coming out of the turn, and changing leads though. he's a big fella and thats not an unusual thing for the larger horses. good luck

[lamboguy]

Hi everyone,
I'm a part owner of Uptowncharlybrown so of course my opinion is biased LOL I am anxiously looking forward to the Sam F. Davis, which is taking me all sorts of planes, trains, and automobiles to get to!you have a major league horse. glad to see how great a job seewald has done with him. i am esthatic that the horse is training and running in tampa. the surface is very deep in tampa and he is going to benefit from it when he runs somewhere else. the SAM DAVIS is the most perfect spot for him at this time.

[Rialto]

Lecomte S (gr. III), $100,000g, 3yo, 8f. 01/23/10 Fairgrounds
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/race/USA/FG/2010/1/23/10/lecomte-s
Notables: Ron The Greek great close.
Tiffany Lass S, $75,000g, 3yo fillies, 8f. 01/23/10 Fairgrounds
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/race/USA/FG/2010/1/23/8/tiffany-lass-s
Notables: Jody Slew and Bella Medaglia both had solid gamely closes, Both with good pedigree.
Holy Bull S (gr. III), $150,000g, 3yo, 8f. 01/23/10 Gulfstream
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/race/USA/GP/2010/1/23/9/holy-bull-s
Notables: Winslow Homer and Jackson Bend were best, Williams Kitten solid deep close.
Pepsi Cola H (R), $125,000g, 3yo, 6f. 01/23/10 Sunland
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/race/USA/SUN/2010/1/23/10/pepsi-cola-s
Notables: Chuchuluco looked ok, not much class here.
Sweet Life S, $60,000a, 3yo fillies, 6.5f (turf). 01/24/10 Santa Anita
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/race/USA/SA/2010/1/24/4/sweet-life-s
Notables: Rose Catherine easily best here.
El Paso Times H, $50,000g, 3yo fillies, 6.5f. 01/24/10 Sunland
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/race/USA/SUN/2010/1/24/10/el-paso-times-s
Notables: Queen Greeley was strong, Pyrite On My Mind also ran well.

[Rialto]

Hi everyone,
I'm a part owner of Uptowncharlybrown so of course my opinion is biased LOL I am anxiously looking forward to the Sam F. Davis, which is taking me all sorts of planes, trains, and automobiles to get to!


He looked great in the Pasco!!! And like I said in my note, he had even more in the tank! Good Luck this spring!!!

[Rialto]

Cant wait for the spring preps to roll around!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[WinterTriangle]

One of my favs, Lost Aptitude, is working at churchill.......on dirt! Nice numbers. He's a turfer but I am hoping he'll do well on dirt.




To one of owners of uptowncharlybrown who posted.....congrats. Nice horse. How many "owners" are there of this horse? From what I can see, the ownership is a partnership of many. Was curious whether ownership is 2, 10, 20 etc.?

[Dahoss9698]

One of my favs, Lost Aptitude, is working at churchill.......on dirt! Nice numbers. He's a turfer but I am hoping he'll do well on dirt.




To one of owners of uptowncharlybrown who posted.....congrats. Nice horse. How many "owners" are there of this horse? From what I can see, the ownership is a partnership of many. Was curious whether ownership is 2, 10, 20 etc.?

Lost Aptitude is at Gulfstream. He's been working on dirt since July.

[WinterTriangle]

Dahoss, yes that was an error on my part. Anyway, I like him. :) Fountain of Youth. Of course, if Eskendereya and Buddys Saint run, it'll be a ripping my hair out experience. :)

[Princequillo]

I am a former poster of this name, but new in this year's Triple Crown Trail. I have follwed the crop, and here is my top ten in alpha order.

Afleet Express - at GP
Aspire - Fla
Buddy's Saint - at GP
Dublin - at OP
Fly By Phil - at Tampa Bay
Lookin at Lucky - at SA
Noble's Promise - at GP
Pounced
Ron the Greek - at FG
Super Saver - at GP
Tiz Chrome - at SA
Vale of York - at Dubai

Brake Lights would be in the list, but he is hurt and will miss the Derby.

My tosses (limitations for 10 furlongs):

Homeboychris
Rule
D'Funnybone
Tiny Woods

The Holy Bull - none of the runners here will have a 3-crown input. Time too slow to take seriously in January.

I'm no expert, just IMH:) O.

[Cat Thief]

Take a look at Bim Bam. He has won and placed in alot of stakes. Of course i am not sure he is going to the derby as his last races have been on turf.
Seems like a tough nut like Muskrat Man

[WinterTriangle]

Take a look at Bim Bam. He has won and placed in alot of stakes. Of course i am not sure he is going to the derby as his last races have been on turf.

Interactif and Bim Bam are both horses I like. I esp. like Interactif's breeding and class. But as you mention,,,,,,they're turfers. So who knows if they will even enter.

[Dahoss9698]

It's possible Interactif might show up in a synthetic race like the Lane's End (formerly the Jim Beam) or Blue Grass. I would be shocked if he was entered in a dirt race.

I wouldn't be surprised if the connections of Bim Bam get Derby fever and enter him in a race on dirt. He'll get trounced and will end up back on the turf.

[WinterTriangle]

It's possible Interactif might show up in a synthetic race like the Lane's End (formerly the Jim Beam) or Blue Grass. I would be shocked if he was entered in a dirt race.

I wouldn't be surprised if the connections of Bim Bam get Derby fever and enter him in a race on dirt. He'll get trounced and will end up back on the turf.

Agree.

Love interactif but he's not a dirt horse. Bim Bam is a nice stakes horse, not derby horse. his perf figures at roman's site not very good either. I made an exception for Lost Aptitude, just because. But, turfer too

[Dahoss9698]

yea i saw it , i thought your horse ran good and never had a fair shot.
Borel can dominate those jockeys when he has the best horse or even a strong tactical speed.
I wasn't derby struck by anyone, winner included, but I happened to see a horse that might be ok as well.

I thought it was worth mentioning Wow Wow Wow won an allowance race Saturday at Oaklawn pretty impressively and paid $7.80. He can't seem to catch a break with the posts though.

I of course had no idea he was running and didn't bet. :bang:

[Robert Fischer]

I thought it was worth mentioning Wow Wow Wow won an allowance race Saturday at Oaklawn pretty impressively and paid $7.80. He can't seem to catch a break with the posts though.

I of course had no idea he was running and didn't bet. :bang:
Good call, i'll have to check it out. I hate when I miss a watch list horse. Still waiting for a horse out of that original race.

[WinterTriangle]

From my prelim list back in December 20th of 2009---Happy with how it turned out considering it was a bare preliminary (and I've changed in now that two months have passed since I made it):

Of 18 horses on the list who have actually raced since I started the list, 10 have won or been ITM. 55%
(If my newest derby list does this well, I'll be all set :) )

Won = Bold
ITM = red



American Lion
Buddy's Saint
Caracortado
Citrus Kid
Discreetly Mine
Eskendereya
Fenway Faithful - hasn't raced
Flatter than Me
Ghost Fleet - hasn't raced
Gun Rock - hasn't raced
Homeboykris
Interactif
Lost Aptitude
Louisville Luminary - hasn't raced
Looking at Lucky
Missionimpazzible
Peppi Knows
Pounced - hasn't raced
Pulsion
Rule
Soaring Empire - hasn't raced
Super Saver - hasn't raced
Theskyisthelimit - off the trail
Turf Melody
U Appeal to Me - hasn't raced
Vale of York - hasn't raced
Walking the Beach - hasn't raced
Wave Me By - hasn't raced
Williams Kitten
Winslow Homer - off the trail
Worldly

[CincyHorseplayer]

WT,

I thought the red was for redboarding!!!:D:ThmbUp:

[WinterTriangle]

WT,

I thought the red was for redboarding!!!:D:ThmbUp:

Redboarding is bragging or telling people you had a horse, without selecting ahead of time.


When somebody actually posts selections, then follows up to show how they did, that's called following up. :D

(I actually dislike it when people give selections and then never bother to come back to update them. I have no idea whether to trust their selections or not if I have no idea how they did.)

[WinterTriangle]

hoping for nice efforts in GS 3 today, two of the horses are in my new stable.

[SmartyLane]

hoping for nice efforts in GS 3 today, two of the horses are in my new stable.


Doing the DVR at home, had to come into the office today.

I just saw on equibase that Colizeo didn't hit the board on this one. I had seem that name thrown around a few times.

[WinterTriangle]

Doing the DVR at home, had to come into the office today.

I just saw on equibase that Colizeo didn't hit the board on this one. I had seem that name thrown around a few times.

Colizeo had a troubled start. No biggie. He'll get it done next time.

I activated Fly Down and Colizeo in my RTTR stable, thinking it was a counted race. Darnit, it's not. So much for all those points on horse, jock and trainer I thought I was gonna get :D In my sire and broodmare research, Colizeo had the edge, but Fly Down's had superb layoff and distance figures.

What happened with Lonesome Street, I thought he'd be ITM?

[Dahoss9698]

Wow Wow Wow has again drawn the far outside post for his 3rd straight race, which is kind of crazy if you think about it. There isn't a whole lot in this race today, so I expect a very good showing out of him today in the Gotham. I'll be betting him at 4-1 or higher.

[WinterTriangle]

Offically DONE with my prelim list, so this is my last accounting on this one as I'm tossing it.

But it helped me firm up my new list to go over this one. Surprises to me? Worldly, thought he'd do something. Also Vale of York, who was pretty rank the other day! And of course, Buddy's Saint. My new list will only have 15 horses in it.

On December 20th of 2009, it was created pretty much in the dark, so I'm not disappointed.

Of 22 horses who have raced since then, 14 won or were ITM (64%) as of today 3/06/2010.



Won = Bold
ITM = red


American Lion*
Buddy's Saint
Caracortado*
Citrus Kid
Discreetly Mine*
Eskendereya *
Fenway Faithful - hasn't raced
Flatter than Me *
Ghost Fleet - hasn't raced
Gun Rock - hasn't raced
Homeboykris*
Interactif*
Lost Aptitude*
Louisville Luminary - hasn't raced
Looking at Lucky*
Missionimpazzible (almost!)
Peppi Knows*
Pounced - hasn't raced
Pulsion
Rule*
Soaring Empire*
Super Saver - hasn't raced
Theskyisthelimit - off the trail
Turf Melody
U Appeal to Me - hasn't raced
Vale of York
Walking the Beach
Wave Me By*
Williams Kitten*
Winslow Homer - off the trail
Worldly

[Dahoss9698]

You can probably take Gun Rock off your list. He was unfortunately euthanized after his race at Keeneland last fall.

[WinterTriangle]

You can probably take Gun Rock off your list. He was unfortunately euthanized after his race at Keeneland last fall.

Thank you for this, Dahoss!

You can look 10 different places and not see stuff about a horse. One of the things that drives me crazy. There was a really nice female maiden I was following, still can't find out why she never raced again. She won her first out, too. :bang:

Anyway, most of that list is scuttled now....some will make it over to my new list, not a LOT of them

[WinterTriangle]

Wow Wow Wow has again drawn the far outside post for his 3rd straight race, which is kind of crazy if you think about it.

Esp bad at Aqueduct.

I had him pegged for at least 2nd. Beautifully bred and has rasmussen factor and wire-to-wires at Oaklawn.

But---- DRF noted the trainer 0 for all for the Gotham historically.:( Bad racing luck for that race.

[Stillriledup]

Offically DONE with my prelim list, so this is my last accounting on this one as I'm tossing it.

But it helped me firm up my new list to go over this one. Surprises to me? Worldly, thought he'd do something. Also Vale of York, who was pretty rank the other day! And of course, Buddy's Saint. My new list will only have 15 horses in it.

On December 20th of 2009, it was created pretty much in the dark, so I'm not disappointed.

Of 22 horses who have raced since then, 14 won or were ITM (64%) as of today 3/06/2010.



Won = Bold
ITM = red


American Lion*
Buddy's Saint
Caracortado*
Citrus Kid
Discreetly Mine*
Eskendereya *
Fenway Faithful - hasn't raced
Flatter than Me *
Ghost Fleet - hasn't raced
Gun Rock - hasn't raced
Homeboykris*
Interactif*
Lost Aptitude*
Louisville Luminary - hasn't raced
Looking at Lucky*
Missionimpazzible (almost!)
Peppi Knows*
Pounced - hasn't raced
Pulsion
Rule*
Soaring Empire*
Super Saver - hasn't raced
Theskyisthelimit - off the trail
Turf Melody
U Appeal to Me - hasn't raced
Vale of York
Walking the Beach
Wave Me By*
Williams Kitten*
Winslow Homer - off the trail
Worldly



Vale of york raced?

[WinterTriangle]

Vale of york raced?

March 4th.

Made his 3 yr. old debut in the Al Bastakiya in Dubai, was rank early, and came in a disappointing 5th. Mendip won

[SmartyLane]

March 4th.

Made his 3 yr. old debut in the Al Bastakiya in Dubai, was rank early, and came in a disappointing 5th. Mendip won

Very rank, and tossing his head around. Was in the mix coming around the turn, but faded when the others started to go.

[Stillriledup]

March 4th.

Made his 3 yr. old debut in the Al Bastakiya in Dubai, was rank early, and came in a disappointing 5th. Mendip won

Thanks WT, appreciate the info.

[WinterTriangle]

SRU---I haven't taken Vale of York off my list yet. Too much to like, I can forgive one bad race, first back, on tapeta.

[Dahoss9698]

Anyone concerned with the fact that Vale of York will be coming into the Derby (if he makes it) with zero dirt starts and a strong pedigree for turf on top and bottom?

[WinterTriangle]

Anyone concerned with the fact that Vale of York will be coming into the Derby (if he makes it) with zero dirt starts and a strong pedigree for turf on top and bottom?

I re-evaluated him, along with some other horses last night....he is coming out less than ideal after all.

My prediction is that Esky and some of the other big favs at this point are not gonna win, athough he is within the realm of possibility for me, but not in my top list. (I'm not working the list for exotics, I don't even think about that until the last week.) I have my newest "theoretical" list for the WIN in the works, almost done. :jump: :jump: It doesn't take into consideration the typical stuff

I had a vivid dream of who is going to win he derby this year. :D But there are a few others.....I'll give a hint.........my dream involves the letter "Z". Just remember I predicted it. :lol:

[Robert Fischer]

Anyone concerned with the fact that Vale of York will be coming into the Derby (if he makes it) with zero dirt starts and a strong pedigree for turf on top and bottom?

not a contender

[Dahoss9698]

Baffert really does seem loaded. He unveiled another good looking 2 year old in the finale at Santa Anita in Concord Point. Race seemed quick and I was visually impressed with him being able to sustain his move, despite being green coming into the lane. One to watch I think, and will be interesting to see if he handles dirt.

It took 6 months, but I think the dirt question was finally answered tonight. Haskell or Jim Dandy next?

[Robert Fischer]

It took 6 months, but I think the dirt question was finally answered tonight. Haskell or Jim Dandy next?

yea i had him down too Concord Point 02/19/2010 big grey, lousy rides first 2

[joanied]

I always watch the Baffert 2 yr. olds...but Asmussen has one that I think has so far, impressed everyone...Kantharos...he'll be on my watch list.