Knock knock.......who's there?

[Tom]

The AMERICAN PEOPLE.
We are here to see Nancy Pelosi. We are on your friggin steps outside the capital. Come out and play, bitch. :mad:

Thousands showed up.
And at last, a HC idea tha makes sense. And it comes from the REPUBLICANS.

Allow HC insurance to be sold across state lines. This can increase competition, drive prices down, and be implemented very quickly, not in 2013 or 2019, and wil not cost a trillion dollars.

I have said over and over, the high cost of HC is eaily ballmed on greedy Ins companies, but the facts are that governement - state and federal - are hugely responsible for the costs. Failure to provide tort reform and failure to allow cross state line selling is a major factor in HC costs.
Some states mandate as few as 10 items be included in all HC policies, but others over 50! Including masage threrapy, mariage counsling, and other non-essential stuff. Let polices be sold everywhere and tailored to the peson who buys it, not some pointy headed government pencil pusher.

[DJofSD]

Right on, Tom, right on.

Now, get ready for charts and graphs and diatribes from your favorite PA users.

Maybe Mike can go two for two with a new prediction what will had next as a response.

[HUSKER55]

You are trying to apply common sense to a democarat.


Chart or no chart they still don't listen and don't get it

[GaryG]

Nice rant by Dennis Miller on Pelosi last night. Said that she has sub-reptilian intelligence. Dennis Miller would make a fine president, good ideas and the right kind of attitude.

[BELMONT 6-6-09]

Pelosi is a seriously disturded individual.

[mostpost]

The AMERICAN PEOPLE.
We are here to see Nancy Pelosi. We are on your friggin steps outside the capital. Come out and play, bitch. :mad:

Thousands showed up.
And at last, a HC idea tha makes sense. And it comes from the REPUBLICANS.

Allow HC insurance to be sold across state lines. This can increase competition, drive prices down, and be implemented very quickly, not in 2013 or 2019, and wil not cost a trillion dollars.

I have said over and over, the high cost of HC is eaily ballmed on greedy Ins companies, but the facts are that governement - state and federal - are hugely responsible for the costs. Failure to provide tort reform and failure to allow cross state line selling is a major factor in HC costs.
Some states mandate as few as 10 items be included in all HC policies, but others over 50! Including masage threrapy, mariage counsling, and other non-essential stuff. Let polices be sold everywhere and tailored to the peson who buys it, not some pointy headed government pencil pusher.
Thousands? The largest estimate was three thousand. Which means that more than 220,374,000 adult Americans were NOT there.

[cj's dad]

Thousands? The largest estimate was three thousand. Which means that more than 220,374,000 adult Americans were NOT there.

they were unavailable- waiting at home for their mail to be delivered !!

[bigmack]

Olbermann said of the gathering today.

- How can the Republicans choose to be the party of hate
- One wonders why they wouldn't pay people of color or Asians to participate. It looks like a Pro-Apartheid Rally
- These people are really pathetic.

[PaceAdvantage]

So much denial...that's ok...it will be play out better this way....

[exactaplayer]

Astroturf In Action: Right-Wing Billionaire David Koch Pays For 40 Buses To Haul In Protesters (http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/143771/astroturf_in_action%3A_right-wing_billionaire_david_koch_pays_for_40_buses_to_h aul_in_protesters/)
So much for this "grassroots" demonstration. Pelosi refuses to acknowledge this group imported by the right wing Billionaire David Koch. Good for her.

[NJ Stinks]

Astroturf In Action: Right-Wing Billionaire David Koch Pays For 40 Buses To Haul In Protesters (http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/143771/astroturf_in_action%3A_right-wing_billionaire_david_koch_pays_for_40_buses_to_h aul_in_protesters/)
So much for this "grassroots" demonstration. Pelosi refuses to acknowledge this group imported by the right wing Billionaire David Koch. Good for her.

Imagine being led by the nose by Koch or Murdoch. :rolleyes:

Although I did hear they were Krispy Kremes! :lol:

[Tom]

Astroturf In Action: Right-Wing Billionaire David Koch Pays For 40 Buses To Haul In Protesters (http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/143771/astroturf_in_action%3A_right-wing_billionaire_david_koch_pays_for_40_buses_to_h aul_in_protesters/)
So much for this "grassroots" demonstration. Pelosi refuses to acknowledge this group imported by the right wing Billionaire David Koch. Good for her.

You have no problems with the ACORN busings and the Soros funding though?
Here's a clue for you.....today was not for Nancy to acknowledge them.Today was notice by those who needed to notice it. It was highlighted the first intelligent proposal for HC reform. The very first. And everyone who matters knows it. No one on the left gives a hoot about Nancy.

[Tom]

Thousands? The largest estimate was three thousand.

Duh?

[prospector]

i heard as many as 20,000 tonight...
not bad for one weeks notice...
but, it could have been 20 million...they still wouldn't have heard..
just keep thinking the tea parties are gone..

[mostpost]

Quote:
Originally Posted by mostpost
Thousands? The largest estimate was three thousand.

From Tom:

Duh?

You made it sound like many, many thousands, when it was three maybe four.
they were unavailable- waiting at home for their mail to be delivered !!Nonethe less three thousand is thousands. I deserve the "Duh?"
they were unavailable- waiting at home for their mail to be delivered !!
Mail is delivered ON TIME EVERYTIME. occasionally

[mostpost]

Enjoyable moments from the rally:
When Mark Levin got up to speak, the American flag was so embarrassed it fell over.
Congressman Todd Akin left the word "Indivisible" out of the Pledge of Allegiance. And he did so after making the statement that the Pledge "Drives liberals crazy. No, Congressman, it doesn't drive me crazy; it embarrasses me that one of my elected representatives uses it for political gain and van't say it right in the first place. :rolleyes:
Representative John Boner,,,Sorry, I mean Boehner held up a copy of the Constitution and quoted from its preamble, "We hold these truths to be self evident". Sorry Johnny, that's in the Declaration of Independence. :blush: :blush: The sad thing is I doubt half the people there knew the difference.
And Michelle Bachmann was MICHELLE BACHMANN

[bigmack]

Here's the real funny part. Dolts are actually sitting around in places like New Jersey & North Riverside IL thinking N.Pelosi, H.Reid & Company have come up with something that they could be proud of, that would actually help the country & then reciting the nonsensical ravings of a loon called Olbermann.
Now that is funny. :lol: :lol:

The less than funny part (and more on the tragic) is that they and their comrades actually sit and buy this health care for everyone without checks & balances & 'Let's vote right away' to push it through routine.

Now that is a sure sign of complete & total maroons, as Bugs would say.

The Journal Says:

The Worst Bill Ever
Speaker Nancy Pelosi has reportedly told fellow Democrats that she's prepared to lose seats in 2010 if that's what it takes to pass ObamaCare, and little wonder. The health bill she unwrapped last Thursday, which President Obama hailed as a "critical milestone," may well be the worst piece of post-New Deal legislation ever introduced.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703399204574505423751140690.html

[Tom]

Quote:

Mail is delivered ON TIME EVERYTIME. occasionally


Mangled, ripped, opened, read/used, damaged, to the neighbor.........:D

[Tom]

Looks like ore than 3,000.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/29183.html

[prospector]

Looks like ore than 3,000.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/29183.html
great article...thanks to people like mostpost the movement will live on...

[cj's dad]

There has been much debate (rightfully so) that the bill will not be posted on the 'net for 72 hours (transparency, eh BO) and has not been read by most that are voting in the House and Senate, yet there has been little talk of who actually authored this monstrosity, my guess;

Lobbyists
Insurance co. reps/lawyers
Drs./AMA
Congressional staffers

House Reps/U.S. Senators ?? - I doubt it, yet they are the ones who will pass this garbage.

BTW- just a heads up for those opposed to abortion- the gov't bill has a clause which mandates that all those paying into this boondoggle will have a % of their $$$ going to publicly fund abortion. How's that for CHOICE !!

[mostpost]

There has been much debate (rightfully so) that the bill will not be posted on the 'net for 72 hours (transparency, eh BO) and has not been read by most that are voting in the House and Senate.
On 11-03 I posted facts and opinion on HR3962 which were based on reading the bill online. That was three days ago. (72 hours). I am sure it was there before I ran across it.

[cj's dad]

I stand by my statement that most members of Congress have not read the bill.

They're too damn lazy plus it would cut into their drinking time.

[mostpost]

BTW- just a heads up for those opposed to abortion- the gov't bill has a clause which mandates that all those paying into this boondoggle will have a % of their $$$ going to publicly fund abortion. How's that for CHOICE !!
__________________
Really!! Please show me where that is. Here is what I found by doing a word search on abortion in HR3962.
on page 109:
SEC. 222. ESSENTIAL BENEFITS PACKAGE DEFINED.
(e) ABORTION COVERAGE PROHIBITED AS PART OF
MINIMUM BENEFITS PACKAGE.—
on page 110:
(4) ABORTION SERVICES.—
(A) ABORTIONS FOR WHICH PUBLIC FUND-
ING IS PROHIBITED.—The services described in
this subparagraph are abortions for which the
expenditure of Federal funds appropriated for
the Department of Health and Human Services
is not permitted, based on the law as in effect
as of the date that is 6 months before the be-
ginning of the plan year involved.
on page 110:
(B) ABORTIONS FOR WHICH PUBLIC FUND-
ING IS ALLOWED.—The services described in
this subparagraph are abortions for which the
expenditure of Federal funds appropriated for
the Department of Health and Human Services
is permitted, based on the law as in effect as
of the date that is 6 months before the begin-
ning of the plan year involved.
In other words, the present law is not changed
on page 147
(a) NO PREEMPTION OF STATE LAWS REGARDING
ABORTION.—Nothing in this Act shall be construed to
preempt or otherwise have any effect on State laws regard-
ing the prohibition of (or requirement of) coverage, fund-
ing, or procedural requirements on abortions, including
parental notification or consent for the performance of an
abortion on a minor.
on page 147
(b) NO EFFECT ON FEDERAL LAWS REGARDING
ABORTION.—
(1) IN GENERAL.—Nothing in this Act shall be
construed to have any effect on Federal laws regard-
ing—
(A) conscience protection;
(B) willingness or refusal to provide abor-
tion; and
(C) discrimination on the basis of the will-
ingness or refusal to provide, pay for, cover, or
refer for abortion or to provide or participate in
training to provide abortion.
on page 148:
SEC. 259. NONDISCRIMINATION ON ABORTION AND RE-
SPECT FOR RIGHTS OF CONSCIENCE.
(a) NONDISCRIMINATION.—A Federal agency or pro-
gram, and any State or local government that receives
Federal financial assistance under this Act (or an amend-
ment made by this Act), may not—
(1) subject any individual or institutional health
care entity to discrimination; or
(2) require any health plan created or regulated
under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act)
to subject any individual or institutional health care
entity to discrimination,
on the basis that the health care entity does not provide,
pay for, provide coverage of, or refer for abortions.
on page 182:
(d) NO DISCRIMINATION ON THE BASIS OF PROVI-
SION OF ABORTION.—No Exchange participating health
benefits plan may discriminate against any individual
health care provider or health care facility because of its
willingness or unwillingness to provide, pay for, provide
coverage of, or refer for abortions.
On page 246:
(3) PROHIBITION OF USE OF PUBLIC FUNDS
FOR ABORTION COVERAGE.—An affordability credit
may not be used for payment for services described
in section 222(d)(4)(A).
On pages 1352-1354 and
‘‘SEC. 399Z–1. SCHOOL-BASED HEALTH CLINICS.
‘‘(c) USE OF FUNDS.—Funds awarded under a grant
under this section— ‘‘(2) may not be used to provide abortions.
page 1359
‘‘(3) SCHOOL-BASED HEALTH CLINIC.—The
term ‘school-based health clinic’ means a health clin-
ic that— ‘‘(E) does not perform abortion services.
So. once again I ask you to provide chapter and verse to back up your claim. I will NOT be holding my breath.

[mostpost]

I just heard on the radio that Cliff Clavin (John Ratzenberger) was an attendee at the Bachmann debacle. I guess everything CJ's Dad said about him is true. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[exactaplayer]

Here's the real funny part. Dolts are actually sitting around in places like New Jersey & North Riverside IL thinking N.Pelosi, H.Reid & Company have come up with something that they could be proud of, that would actually help the country & then reciting the nonsensical ravings of a loon called Olbermann.
Now that is funny. :lol: :lol:

The less than funny part (and more on the tragic) is that they and their comrades actually sit and buy this health care for everyone without checks & balances & 'Let's vote right away' to push it through routine.

Now that is a sure sign of complete & total maroons, as Bugs would say.

The Journal Says:

The Worst Bill Ever
Speaker Nancy Pelosi has reportedly told fellow Democrats that she's prepared to lose seats in 2010 if that's what it takes to pass ObamaCare, and little wonder. The health bill she unwrapped last Thursday, which President Obama hailed as a "critical milestone," may well be the worst piece of post-New Deal legislation ever introduced.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703399204574505423751140690.html
The Wall Street Journal is just another Murdoch rag.
The AMA, ARRP and Consumer reports all came out in favor of this bill.

[Tom]

Well, then they are wrong. It is a bad bill.

[skate]

Pelosi is a seriously disturded individual.


and just think about those that brought her there.

[cj's dad]

and just think about those that brought her there.

I"ll say it - DEVIANTS !!

[PaceAdvantage]

The AMA, ARRP and Consumer reports all came out in favor of this bill.I hear the AMA is having second thoughts...well, not the leaders of the AMA...the actual members....I hear they will be letting everyone know of this soon...

[prospector]

i quit the AARP 6 months after i joined...its a liberal rag in the mail each month..couldn't take that crap in my mailbox..

[hcap]

What are the odds all you tea party folks will put your money where your mouths are, and demonstrate with placards like this??

http://i873.photobucket.com/albums/ab298/Tazzz-Photos/Teaparty8.jpg


Next set of signs....

_ Social Security retirement benefits
_ Police Protection
_ Fire and Emergency Services
_ Emergency Food Assistance Program (TEFAP)
_ Student Loans
_ Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF)
_ The HUD Public Housing assistance program
_ Trash and Sewage

[rastajenk]

Probably right after all the Michael Mooron types start going to Cuba for their great health care, or after all the celebrities that were going to move somewhere else if Bush got re-elected ever come back (what's that? they didn't move? scratch that) or when all the greenie eco-tourists stop taking vacations, or.....

[Tom]

What are the odds all you tea party folks will put your money where your mouths are, and demonstrate with placards like this??




Next set of signs....

_ Social Security retirement benefits
_ Police Protection
_ Fire and Emergency Services
_ Emergency Food Assistance Program (TEFAP)
_ Student Loans
_ Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF)
_ The HUD Public Housing assistance program
_ Trash and Sewage

It boggles the mind the total ignorance this post portrays.
hcap, you really need to go take a civics class somewhere, and not on a commune. Nonsense like this deserves to be ignored. You obviously have no real points to make.

[cj's dad]

__________________
Really!! Please show me where that is. does not perform abortion services.


So. once again I ask you to provide chapter and verse to back up your claim. I will NOT be holding my breath.

Then why pray tell, was this necessary:

It appears that an amendment that would preclude federal funds to be used for abortions was enough to move some "blue dog" Democrats into voting for the main piece of legislation.

[ArlJim78]

when the government starts making it an option to pay FICA or not, I'm out the door in a heartbeat, as I'm sure millions of other would be.

[NJ Stinks]

It boggles the mind the total ignorance this post portrays.
hcap, you really need to go take a civics class somewhere, and not on a commune. Nonsense like this deserves to be ignored. You obviously have no real points to make.

Appreciate all the facts laid out in this succinctly stated set of opinions. Especially this one:

You obviously have no real points to make.

Whatever you do, Tom, don't look in that mirror! :lol: :lol:

[PaceAdvantage]

_ Police Protection
_ Fire and Emergency Services
_ Trash and SewageWhy would you include these three among your list? Surely a man of your intelligence knows these items are run by municipalities and not the Federal Government. Quite a difference, don't you agree?

[hcap]

Socialism is Socialism. And what part of "Social Security retirement benefits" is NOT Socialism?

BTW, when exactly did the Earth come into existence?
A new "Young Earth Theory".
Box, 6000 is it??


http://www.salon.com/comics/tomo/2009/11/09/tomo/story.jpg

[boxcar]

It boggles the mind the total ignorance this post portrays.
hcap, you really need to go take a civics class somewhere, and not on a commune. Nonsense like this deserves to be ignored. You obviously have no real points to make.

Save for the one on his head... :rolleyes:

Boxcar

[hcap]

The new conservative quantum theory. Explains minor discrepancies....

[bigmack]

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u70/macktime/11_9_09_21_19_55.png

[highnote]

Allow HC insurance to be sold across state lines.

I agree. And also small businesses and/or groups of individuals should be allowed to pool their resources and negotiate lower rates.

More importantly, but off-topic (sorry) how did Nick's analysis work for you last weekend?

[hcap]

http://www.bartcop.com/gop-heretics-1109.jpg

[Black Ruby]

Why would you include these three among your list? Surely a man of your intelligence knows these items are run by municipalities and not the Federal Government. Quite a difference, don't you agree?

You don't know about federal police, federal firefighters, or federal emergency services? There's no FEMA or park police?

[highnote]

Allow HC insurance to be sold across state lines. This can increase competition, drive prices down, and be implemented very quickly, not in 2013 or 2019, and wil not cost a trillion dollars.



Tom,

I have always wondered why insurance can't be sold across state lines. Here is an article with the pros and cons. Seems to me all these problems could be solved if there was the political will to do it. A federal insurance czar might be needed, but if it brings down costs, that is a small price to pay.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120276553&ft=1&f=1003

[highnote]

Funny piece Jon Stewart catching Sean Hannity fudging the video of a Hannity health care rally.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/11/jon-stewart-catches-sean_n_353447.html

[Sericm]

Last time I looked at TV the AARP is in business to sell insurance. Just pay attention to their ads. No wonder they are for this bill.

Sericm

[PaceAdvantage]

You don't know about federal police, federal firefighters, or federal emergency services? There's no FEMA or park police?You know that's not what he was talking about...The intent is to get those on the "right" trapped into saying they are AGAINST the police or the fire department, just like they are AGAINST Fed Gov't run healthcare...