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[Dave Schwartz]

Please consider your answers carefully.

[boxcar]

Please consider your answers carefully.

Why's that? This was a no-brainer...at least for me. :)

Boxcar

[BELMONT 6-6-09]

Though lying and scheming seems to be a trait for presidents now a days, this guy seems to be a real professional LIAR. He really must think most Americans are clueless ...he has wakened the silent majority.

[bigmack]

By time this guy finishes his 4, those that voted for him will have a bigger case of buyer's remorse than those that bought a pet rock. Speaking of which, I wonder if anyone ever returned a pet rock.
Clerk: And what is the reason for your return?
Cusamer: I'm just happy with it

http://www.buyersremorse.org/barack-obama-whoops-buyers-remorse.jpg

[Tom]

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[cj's dad]

"As an American I am not so shocked that Obama was given the Nobel Peace Prize without any accomplishments to his name, but that America gave him the White House based on the same credentials."

Newt Gingrich

[Robert Goren]

We are 10 months in to his term. 10 months into Reagan's term no one would even admit they voted for him. We had 2 banks failed in the county I lived in. Farmers I knew were scrambling to find money to plant next spring's crop. By 1984 things had turn arround and He was re-elected easily. We will have a better feel in a couple more years. I know right now I feel better with Obama than I would if McCain been elected. I know some people who knew and respected McCain's father. They do not have the same respect for the son.

[lamboguy]

We are 10 months in to his term. 10 months into Reagan's term no one would even admit they voted for him. We had 2 banks failed in the county I lived in. Farmers I knew were scrambling to find money to plant next spring's crop. By 1984 things had turn arround and He was re-elected easily. We will have a better feel in a couple more years. I know right now I feel better with Obama than I would if McCain been elected. I know some people who knew and respected McCain's father. They do not have the same respect for the son.the one thing that reagan did was give you hope. he took over after a guy that was cluesless in the job and didn't complain and turned us around. obama ran on hope and also took over from even a more clueless president, or maybe just a basic thief, and obama has chosen to keep the same losing policy's as his predecessor. he is a chicken to the 10th degree and has little or no courage to lead.

[NJ Stinks]

I considered my answer carefully, Dave. :ThmbUp:

[boxcar]

I considered my answer carefully, Dave. :ThmbUp:

Yeah, I bet you did. Went into intense mental labor pains over it, did you? :rolleyes:

Boxcar

[HUSKER55]

gOREN,

Exactly what do you expect to happen in 4 years with BO?

[Robert Goren]

gOREN,

Exactly what do you expect to happen in 4 years with BO?I hope the unemployment rate drops. I think it has peak now and will start to slowly go down. I know that some of friends who have a small business tell me that people are starting to buy at their stores again. They tell me that last winter they could not even get anyone in the door to look around. It not back to where they want it but they can now see some light at the end of the tunnel. I would like to point out that 10 months into Reagan's term not very many people though he knew what he was doing either. They were wrong. I hope the nay sayers are wrong about Obama. Only time will tell. The one thing that gets me riled are the people rooting against this country. If his ideas work then we all are better off, If they fail the we all are worse off at least in the short run. It is one thing to think his ideas won't work, but another thing to pray that won't. To me that is like rooting for another terrorist attack because we are pulling out of Iraq.

[Tom]

If HC passes as is, I expect unemployment to top 12% - 15% which means much higher in reality.

Our economy is catching a ride back to normalcy with Ted Kennedy and there is a bridge ahead.

[Tom]

Here is Obama's term paper.......

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/barack_obama_and_the_strategy.html

America waits with bated breath while Washington struggles to bring the U.S. economy back from the brink of disaster. But many of those same politicians caused the crisis (http://investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=306544845091102), and if left to their own devices will do so again.

The strategy of forcing political change through orchestrated crisis. The "Cloward-Piven Strategy" seeks to hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse.

[dartman51]

I hope the unemployment rate drops. I think it has peak now and will start to slowly go down. I know that some of friends who have a small business tell me that people are starting to buy at their stores again. They tell me that last winter they could not even get anyone in the door to look around. It not back to where they want it but they can now see some light at the end of the tunnel. I would like to point out that 10 months into Reagan's term not very many people though he knew what he was doing either. They were wrong. I hope the nay sayers are wrong about Obama. Only time will tell. The one thing that gets me riled are the people rooting against this country. If his ideas work then we all are better off, If they fail the we all are worse off at least in the short run. It is one thing to think his ideas won't work, but another thing to pray that won't. To me that is like rooting for another terrorist attack because we are pulling out of Iraq.

Funny thing, when people were rooting against everything that Bush did, that was OK, but when one roots against Obama and his policies, we're rooting against America?? How does that work? If you like his IDEAS for America, why don't you move to Iran, North Korea, China, or maybe Veneuazula? You can enjoy those ideas today, you don't have to wait.

[LottaKash]

I hope the unemployment rate drops. I think it has peak now and will start to slowly go down..

I don't believe it will.....What would be the reason ?....This nation is broke...Not just financially but spiritually as well....This current "regime" is just a continuation of the one's that just left....It is just a "club" of the elite, trying to fulfill their "New World Order" agenda....So far, the last three regimes have done their utmost to bring utter chaos and destruction to our "old way of going", and there is nothing on the horizon to suggest that anything good will come next...We are just in a "hiatus", for this period of time....After all, they can't just loot and pillage all of our remaining assests all at once, but, they have done a masterful job so far, in that regard.....We have no remaing and viable manufacturing base to come back to ( to get those unemployment numbers down), as we have given all that away, to foreign interests, via trade agreements, and the world no longer wants what we have to sell....It is the McDonalds and Wal-mart's and Costco's that are keeping us going for the time being, and how long can we expect that to be our main bread and butter....Our money is leaving, and it is not coming back as in a circle, as it once did...

I know this sounds all like doom and gloom, but that is our forthcoming reality, and I sincerely believe that we must plan on a "new personal way of life" when it comes to the "the new future" that is just on the horizon, as it will be the only thing that will allow us some sanity an peace in our daily lives....(think GOD)

Once they get their way, and there is nothing to suggest anything differently, as I see it, and we go "full economic bust", then our current assets will evaporate into thin air, as, they will be as worthless as the money that we now print and use to live on....(think precious METALS as a hedge)...Then a new world currency will emerge, changing everything....

It's funny how no one talks about the future, except in more hopeful terms, believing that everything will eventually be all right, real soon....

We must plan our future ahead, in a new way....Are you planning ? Or are you an ostrich ?

If anyone thinks me wrong about this, then by all means, please correct or chasten me, and then let me in on your good news and the reasoning for it....Because, as I see our current state of affairs, this new future is coming, otherwise then, I am clueless as to where we are headed to, next ...

best,

[jballscalls]

Funny thing, when people were rooting against everything that Bush did, that was OK, but when one roots against Obama and his policies, we're rooting against America?? How does that work? If you like his IDEAS for America, why don't you move to Iran, North Korea, China, or maybe Veneuazula? You can enjoy those ideas today, you don't have to wait.

I agree with one point and disagree with one point. It is amazing how it is almost taboo in our society to disagree with Obama. And if you do, the left are very quick to pull the race card.

i do disagree with your point "move to iran, nk" etc. nobody is going to move to those countries, they are poopy places to live. many want a socialist society here and they want it soon. hopefully the repubs can put up a candidate that is actually appealing to 50.1% of the country in 2012.

[ArlJim78]

Obama is at war with America, that is why I root against him. He despises America but hides it better than his mentors like Wright and Ayers. I'm confident he'll be a miserable failure because he's working with old-fashioned and discredited Marxist ideas from the ashheap of history. America will unceremonially dispatch of this wannabe in short order.

[HUSKER55]

Suppose BO gave everyboday an equal share of everything, what would happen when it was gone?

MalcomX said if that were to happen in 30 days everybody would be shut up forever but this nation would be condemned to a future worse than its' past.


If no one works then what? If there is no incentive to achieve then what?
If socialism is so great then why does everybody want to come to America when they can be a minion right where they are at?

[jballscalls]

Obama is at war with America, that is why I root against him. He despises America but hides it better than his mentors like Wright and Ayers. I'm confident he'll be a miserable failure because he's working with old-fashioned and discredited Marxist ideas from the ashheap of history. America will unceremonially dispatch of this wannabe in short order.

i disagree that he is at war with America and that he despises it. I agree his ideas and policies wont work, but I dont think he dislikes america. What has he done to show that he 'DISLIKES AMERICA?" In fact i think he genuinely wants a better America, you and I just disagree with how he's going about doing it. But a great life for more Americans is a better America, but i dont think what he's doing will create a great life for more Americans.

[boxcar]

i disagree that he is at war with America and that he despises it. I agree his ideas and policies wont work, but I dont think he dislikes america. What has he done to show that he 'DISLIKES AMERICA?" In fact i think he genuinely wants a better America, you and I just disagree with how he's going about doing it. But a great life for more Americans is a better America, but i dont think what he's doing will create a great life for more Americans.

Then you must also believe that Jeremiah Wright's hate "sermons" were just for show? Just empty rhetoric?

Boxcar

[ArlJim78]

i disagree that he is at war with America and that he despises it. I agree his ideas and policies wont work, but I dont think he dislikes america. What has he done to show that he 'DISLIKES AMERICA?" In fact i think he genuinely wants a better America, you and I just disagree with how he's going about doing it. But a great life for more Americans is a better America, but i dont think what he's doing will create a great life for more Americans.
He has stated over and again that he wants to radically change America. Do you he says that because he LIKES America? No its because he doesn't like what this country has stood for for the most part.

he trashes America both here and abroad.
he trashes the former president on an almost daily basis.
he is trying to extinguish capitalism and spread the wealth of others around.
he supports dictators abroad and stick a finger in the eyes of allies.
he has targeted private individuals, industries, news organizations for retribution if they don't fall in line.
he is pushing enormously punishing reforms that would cripple our weak economy.

In his eyes he is trying to make America better, by tearing down most the good parts.

[ArlJim78]

here is Obama's great mentor and friend, and man that clearly despises "white Christian" America (he may in fact be okay with the rest of it) and has been saying so all his life. In this speech from just a few weeks ago, he calls America "the land of the greed and home of the slave" and praises Marxism while also referring to the victims of Martin Luther King.


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[jballscalls]

He has stated over and again that he wants to radically change America. Do you he says that because he LIKES America? No its because he doesn't like what this country has stood for for the most part.

he trashes America both here and abroad.
he trashes the former president on an almost daily basis.
he is trying to extinguish capitalism and spread the wealth of others around.
he supports dictators abroad and stick a finger in the eyes of allies.
he has targeted private individuals, industries, news organizations for retribution if they don't fall in line.
he is pushing enormously punishing reforms that would cripple our weak economy.

In his eyes he is trying to make America better, by tearing down most the good parts.

he points the finger at Bush just like everyone on the left does and many on the right do. Is it right to do? not really, certainly Bush is a player in our current state of affairs, but you can only play the Bush card for so long.

Extinguishing Capitalism and spreading wealth, I think him and the left feel that makes for a better more balanced America. they aren't doing it to hurt the few, they want to help the many.

your last sentence is what i think and why i disagreed with your point. He and his followers think their policies are helping America and creating a better life for Americans. You and I disagree with him, but he's not hoping to hurt Americans. He was voted into office by people who dont want capitalism, dont want inequality, and dont want what America was and has been, survival of the fittest. They want a nanny state and an equal ground. Thats why he's doing all this, he thinks this is what the people want

[jballscalls]

Then you must also believe that Jeremiah Wright's hate "sermons" were just for show? Just empty rhetoric?

Boxcar

Did Obama ever say God Damn America? and yes i do think the sermons were for show in some ways, but i'm 100% sure thats how that guys feels.

And yes Obama was a student and friend of his. But does that mean he adopts the thoughts of the guy?? Jeremiah Wright is a wack job.

that's like saying i'm going to believe your philosophies because i read what you post here in off topic! while i read all your posts, i surely wont take any of what you say to heart and start living my life by it.

[boxcar]

Did Obama ever say God Damn America? and yes i do think the sermons were for show in some ways, but i'm 100% sure thats how that guys feels.

And yes Obama was a student and friend of his. But does that mean he adopts the thoughts of the guy?? Jeremiah Wright is a wack job.

that's like saying i'm going to believe your philosophies because i read what you post here in off topic! while i read all your posts, i surely wont take any of what you say to heart and start living my life by it.

Somehow I knew you'd come with some off-the-wall analogy. Do I have you pegged or what!? Unreal! :faint: :faint:

You're really going to compare participation on an internet forum wherein there are numerous diverse opinions being bandied about by many people to sitting under the hate-filled, political-oriented "preaching" of one whackjob for 20 years? You don't think for a moment that BO stayed in that "church" and listened to that garbage because he was in essential and substantial agreement with it? You think people attend a church for a long period of time to listen to sermons with which they are not in substantial and essential
agreement? So that after the service is over, they can go up to their preacher every Sunday and tell him how wrong he is!? How he has no true understanding of scripture? And they do this Sunday after Sunday after Sunday? Is this what you believe? Or is the more reasonable, rationale and logical reason for people attending church for that many years is that they are in basic agreement with the doctrinal teaching and preaching?

But even beyond Wright, there's plenty of evidence that BO has a big axe to grind against America and how it was constituted. The Constitution, he said, was "fundamentally flawed". He wants to "change the face of America". He wants to "fundamentally transform" America, etc., etc. And his wife is just as bad. She believes now in America for the first time (since being born here and living here) only because Americans finally got around to electing a black person for president. That's not exactly a glowing commentary on America or the American way of life, is it? The only thing she could really and truly find positive about America was the election of her Marxist husband!

And I could go with even more evidence, such as all his extremist friends and acquaintances and the fact that his stepfather was a Marxist, too! He has surrounded himself his entire life with America-haters!

And when was the last time you heard BO make any unqualified, positive statements about this country? Go on the web, sir, and find all those positive statements for us, will ya!? They must exist somewhere out there amongst all the many insulting public apologies and all his numerous criticisms of the evil private sector -- which most Americans are part of!

You are naive beyond belief!

Boxcar

[jballscalls]

Somehow I knew you'd come with some off-the-wall analogy. Do I have you pegged or what!? Unreal! :faint: :faint:
Boxcar

Again, you crack me up. because you've never surprised anyone with anything you've said on here, and you have the nerve to call me unoriginal??? I don't recall you ever saying one thing that wasn't expected by everyone on here, right or left.

[boxcar]

Again, you crack me up. because you've never surprised anyone with anything you've said on here, and you have the nerve to call me unoriginal??? I don't recall you ever saying one thing that wasn't expected by everyone on here, right or left.

You can always expect me to tear into and shred stupid analogies, such as what you tried to foist upon us in this thread.

And what is unoriginal about you and other libs is that you attack me (or any other critical thinking conservative) instead of the points I raised in the last post. Very boring and very predictable strategy when you don't have any viable answers stored upstairs in your attic. (Must have lots of available storage space up there, heh?) :rolleyes:

Boxcar

[jballscalls]

You can always expect me to tear into and shred stupid analogies, such as what you tried to foist upon us in this thread.

And what is unoriginal about you and other libs is that you attack me (or any other critical thinking conservative) instead of the points I raised in the last post. Very boring and very predictable strategy when you don't have any viable answers stored upstairs in your attic. (Must have lots of available storage space up there, heh?) :rolleyes:

Boxcar

so you tell me I attack you (after you attack me) and then you attack me again, and you say thats the lib strategy??

so that would make you.....a lib??

when have you ever showed critical thinking on this board?? please show me a post that shows anything other than a right wing talking point, an ignorant hate speech post, or a putdown of the left?? because your posts in this thread have not featured much substance.

I gotta go to work now, have a good rest of your evening

[boxcar]

so you tell me I attack you (after you attack me) and then you attack me again, and you say thats the lib strategy??

so that would make you.....a lib??

No, it would make you about as smart as dirt. :rolleyes: How's that? Besides, I did not attack you personally when I ripped your analogy apart. I simply stated that it was "off the wall". That's a "personal attack"? :rolleyes:

when have you ever showed critical thinking on this board??

Go back and read my post wherein I tore your analogy to shreds. If you don't agree with my thought processes, my argument in that post, then refute them -- instead of attacking me!

I gotta go to work now, have a good rest of your evening

You could end of making my day by refuting my rebuttal to your lame analogy.
But I won't be holding my breath.... :rolleyes:

Boxcar

[cj's dad]

"And yes Obama was a student and friend of his. But does that mean he adopts the thoughts of the guy?? Jeremiah Wright is a wack job."
.

NOTE- your post has been shortened by me !

I am a Catholic and as such do not believe in abortion. Were I to be in church and the priest began a sermon espousing the virtues and necessities of abortions, I would leave immediately and seek a new place to worship.

Obama, if he loves this country as you and others believe, should have at the onset of J Wrights hateful and anti American diatribe got up and walked out, family in tow and sought another place of worship.

Jeramiah Wright quote:
Some say God bless America, I say God damn America".

Remaining (referring to BO) in an atmosphere that preaches hate and vilification of those who sacrificed their lives for this country is beyond anything that I believe in.

There are no excuses for BO's attitude, lack of conviction, or manhood other than he is a puppet of whoever wields influence over him. I despise this man and all that he stands for which is the destruction of this country and all that our parents and grandparents have sacrificed and died for.

His sole contribution so far has been the embarresment and worldwide ridicule of the USA.

Thanks to those of you who chose him to lead.

[LottaKash]

NOTE- your post has been shortened by me !

I am a Catholic and as such do not believe in abortion. Were I to be in church and the priest began a sermon espousing the virtues and necessities of abortions, I would leave immediately and seek a new place to worship.

Obama, if he loves this country as you and others believe,should have at the onset of J Wrights hateful and anti American diatribe got up and walked out, family in tow and sought another place of worship.

Jeramiah Wright quote:
Some say God bless America, I say God damn America".



Yes, he should have.....How could he be coming back for more, week after week of that crap , if he wasn't buying into it...?

best,

[NJ Stinks]

His sole contribution so far has been the embarresment and worldwide ridicule of the USA.



Why don't you actually leave the U.S. for a while and then come back and tell us how Obama is the subject of "worldwide ridicule". :rolleyes:

The truth of the matter is that worldwide Obama is the best thing that has happened to the U.S. since Bill Clinton. Whether you choose to believe this or not does not make it any less true.

[boxcar]

Why don't you actually leave the U.S. for a while and then come back and tell us how Obama is the subject of "worldwide ridicule". :rolleyes:

The truth of the matter is that worldwide Obama is the best thing that has happened to the U.S. since Bill Clinton. Whether you choose to believe this or not does not make it any less true.

Yup all the socialist and commie countries love him. That really speaks volumes about him, doesn't it? Meanwhile, real Americans (i.e. those who hold to America's core values that made this country great) are embarrassed and ashamed to have a Marxist president of this country -- yours truly included.

Boxcar

[Tom]

The people who think he is a joke - world leaders, including China and Russia, Bin Laden, you know, people who can actually capitalize on the fact the we have a very weak an naive leader? you seem to be talking about ordinary citizens....who matter not. They have no power to hurt nor help us, so your premise that this is the best for us is just nonsense. Unless you can tell me specifically how some bloke off the tram liking Bummy is a good thing.

[price]

The republicans had it all and did nothing with it. The democrats now have it all and have done nothing with it. I have no idea why people think one side is batter than the other. We are trillions in debt and both parties got us there. It's only going to get worse because the 2 party pay to play system will never lose it's grip on power until they have sucked us dry and there isnt a dollar to be had at the taxpayer feedtub.

[Dave Schwartz]

The republicans had it all and did nothing with it. The democrats now have it all and have done nothing with it. I have no idea why people think one side is batter than the other. We are trillions in debt and both parties got us there. It's only going to get worse because the 2 party pay to play system will never lose it's grip on power until they have sucked us dry and there isnt a dollar to be had at the taxpayer feedtub.



You speak the truth.


My purpose for starting this thread was not to create the usual "I'm right/No I'm Right" argument. Rather it was to see if what we have heard in the polls was true: That Obama voters were seriously disenchanted with their candidate.

So, here's what we've got thus far:

Of the 13 people who say they voted for Obama, 10 of them would vote for him again. That's 77%, with 23% being displeased enough to want to change their vote.

42 of the 43 people who voted against him say they would vote against him again.

So, there you have it.

The guys who were against him still are, along with 2/9 of those who voted for him.

Now you guys can go back to arguing.

[boxcar]

You speak the truth.


My purpose for starting this thread was not to create the usual "I'm right/No I'm Right" argument. Rather it was to see if what we have heard in the polls was true: That Obama voters were seriously disenchanted with their candidate.

So, here's what we've got thus far:

Of the 13 people who say they voted for Obama, 10 of them would vote for him again. That's 77%, with 23% being displeased enough to want to change their vote.

42 of the 43 people who voted against him say they would vote against him again.

So, there you have it.

The guys who were against him still are, along with 2/9 of those who voted for him.

Now you guys can go back to arguing.

If 22% of BO voters have buyers' remorse, that is a very significant number.

Boxcar

[Dave Schwartz]

I agree. I was msot curious about how big that number was.

Of course, the sample size is way too small to mean much of anyting.

[NJ Stinks]

If 22% of BO voters have buyers' remorse, that is a very significant number.

Boxcar



Of course, the sample size is way too small to mean much of anyting.

I'm confused. Boxcar is sure the sky is falling on the Dems and Obama while Dave wishes it was falling but isn't sure. :confused:

Boxcar, have you ever heard of a gray area? :p

[Tom]

I didn't find anything confusing about his comment.

IF this is, THEN that is.

[boxcar]

I'm confused. Boxcar is sure the sky is falling on the Dems and Obama while Dave wishes it was falling but isn't sure. :confused:

Boxcar, have you ever heard of a gray area? :p

Sure. If I split the result in half, we'd come away with 11%, which would still be a significant number of people IF (which is what I said earlier) this number would represent a nationwide sentiment.

And secondly, yes, I have heard of gray areas -- mostly from libs because this is where they live -- in the thick fog, never being able to think straight, never having a clear sense of direction, suffering from chronic myopia and perpetually confused -- such as what you just indicated above.

Any other questions? :rolleyes:

Boxcar

[JustRalph]

If HC passes as is, I expect unemployment to top 12% - 15% which means much higher in reality.

Our economy is catching a ride back to normalcy with Ted Kennedy and there is a bridge ahead.


Dammit Tom!!! Leave Teddy Kennedy out of this Argument!!!!!!!!!


As of Today..........


Congrats Teddy Kennedy!!! Today, of all days, an Anniversary! On Election day no less!!!

























































Ten Weeks Clean and Sober!!!!

[Dave Schwartz]

I'm confused. Boxcar is sure the sky is falling on the Dems and Obama while Dave wishes it was falling but isn't sure.

What makes you think I wish for the sky to fall?

And what is it that you think I am not sure of?