In search of Arcangues....from here on...

[kid4rilla]

BC is here, and right on time with my new way of gambling.....on horses and everything else.

I've always been the 1st one to jump in line for any gambling game, and I do mean any. Looking back, it is probably ingrained in me. Big family, lower middle Catholic upbringing, playing all kinds of poker and card games for small stakes from 5 years old. Started and ran a casino on Spring Break for years starting in 5th grade. Dad took me to the bet the buggies at Louisville Downs, lived only a few blocks from CD and clerks never had any problem taking action from a minor.

Whatever the game, I've always had a punchers chance of taking the money down. When I was younger, I thought that any successes I had was because I was smarter than most, but now I know it was due to the fact that I expected to win. I've gambled in many flavors, and there are some eternal verities in all gambling games. I'm sure that foremost of these is that if you don't think you are going to win, you're not.

I think I'm going to win, because I have quite a bit, but I have reached a point where I'm tired of the nickel and dime licks. This stream of conciousness is probably similar to an addict admitting to addiction, needing more to be satisfied, and maybe it is. But I think this is different. My compulsion is to compete, and my problem is that I spend too much of my time trying to grind out small profits with "smart" wagers at the track, or spending time playing low buy in poker with the prospect of making small gains. Just to win the event at hand has been enough to satisfy my need to win, but I need to make sure the prize at the end of the competition is more meaningful.

So, from now on if the prize isn't something that can change my life (at least my year) I'm just not going to bother. Beyer said everybody who beats racing does it in windfalls, and I'm going to be looking for the Arcagues's and Domedriver's from this point on, no matter the game.

And I'll be wheeling them.

My intention use this board to remind me where I was on this day with my mindset.

Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the grey twilight that knows not victory nor defeat.

[DJofSD]

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/If%E2%80%94

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breath a word about your loss.

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If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And — which is more — you'll be a Man, my son!
-Rudyard Kipling

[Old Sparky]

I will u tell a story about Arcaques.The yr he ran I looked in the paper for the selections . I rock and roll BC day . :eek: best bet is this horse--the horse I like is the horse that ends up finishing 2nd. So I throw this nag in for $20exx . There is so much to this story but I must go. If y would like the rest ask :p Tom remember the old OTBs that never swept the floors?

[toetoe]

Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the grey twilight that knows not victory nor defeat.

No attribution, Sir ?

I'll take a stab --- Mr. Peter Berry ? :ThmbUp: .

[toetoe]

the horse I like is the horse that ends up finishing 2nd.


Was that Bertrando ? I may be thinking of Volponi's B.C. Classic.

[Old Sparky]

ding ding ding we have a winner :cool: OS

[Valuist]

Good luck finding that $200 plus winner. Most of us have never cashed on that big a longshot. And with good reason......if Rick's Natural Star, a horribly overmatched beast was only 50-1 against some of the best grass runners in the world, how are we going to find a winner at twice that price?

[Robert Fischer]

there u go.
I hope you hit a BIG one.
It's easy to cheer for a brave gambler. Hard to hit those huge ones. Those opportunities seem to come in windfalls too. The heavy fan favorite who's time is up.. the track with the big bias, etc...
BC is here, and right on time with my new way of gambling.....on horses and everything else.

I've always been the 1st one to jump in line for any gambling game, and I do mean any. Looking back, it is probably ingrained in me. Big family, lower middle Catholic upbringing, playing all kinds of poker and card games for small stakes from 5 years old. Started and ran a casino on Spring Break for years starting in 5th grade. Dad took me to the bet the buggies at Louisville Downs, lived only a few blocks from CD and clerks never had any problem taking action from a minor.

Whatever the game, I've always had a punchers chance of taking the money down. When I was younger, I thought that any successes I had was because I was smarter than most, but now I know it was due to the fact that I expected to win. I've gambled in many flavors, and there are some eternal verities in all gambling games. I'm sure that foremost of these is that if you don't think you are going to win, you're not.

I think I'm going to win, because I have quite a bit, but I have reached a point where I'm tired of the nickel and dime licks. This stream of conciousness is probably similar to an addict admitting to addiction, needing more to be satisfied, and maybe it is. But I think this is different. My compulsion is to compete, and my problem is that I spend too much of my time trying to grind out small profits with "smart" wagers at the track, or spending time playing low buy in poker with the prospect of making small gains. Just to win the event at hand has been enough to satisfy my need to win, but I need to make sure the prize at the end of the competition is more meaningful.

So, from now on if the prize isn't something that can change my life (at least my year) I'm just not going to bother. Beyer said everybody who beats racing does it in windfalls, and I'm going to be looking for the Arcagues's and Domedriver's from this point on, no matter the game.

And I'll be wheeling them.

My intention use this board to remind me where I was on this day with my mindset.

Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the grey twilight that knows not victory nor defeat.

[Overlay]

Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the grey twilight that knows not victory nor defeat.
No attribution, Sir ?
I'll take a stab --- Mr. Peter Berry ? :ThmbUp: .
It was Theodore Roosevelt. (The sentiment expressed sounds similar to another quote from Roosevelt that Richard Nixon cited in his resignation speech.)

"Sometimes I have succeeded and sometimes I have failed, but always I have taken heart from what Theodore Roosevelt once said about the man in the arena, "whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes short again and again because there is not effort without error and shortcoming, but who does actually strive to do the deed, who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumphs of high achievements and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly."

[Grits]

As Jerry Bailey has noted so many times, "if everyone who has come up to me over the years telling me they bet Arcangues--had him, he would NEVER have gone off at his 133-1 odds."

Still, good luck.

[Fingal]

Still remember that day- After a day of too many loses, Betrando looked like he was home free in the stretch hugging the rail, & here comes this thing with dark blue silks on the outside. Many a winning ticket with Frankel's horse wheeled on top became worthless in a few seconds, you could have heard the proverbial pin drop Santa Anita got so quiet.

[WinterTriangle]

So, from now on if the prize isn't something that can change my life (at least my year) I'm just not going to bother.

I'm with Robert. I think that's great. wish you the best of luck.

Everyone has different motivations for playing the way they do, some people like to grind it out, have a lot of action, etc.

I can appreciate you're not wanting to "grind it out"....always good to change your game if you're goals aren't being met.

I think the decision to do this, as well as your ability to see yourself as a winner, finding yourself in the scenario of winning big, is very potent. :ThmbUp: (As is your statement about mindset.....mindset is everything, but I mean that in the way that you have to know what things might be competing with it in one's subconsicous....some people SAY they want something, but they don't believe they will get it.)

[kid4rilla]

Thanks for the replies. This place works well as a gamblers therapy! Hope to be able to redboard some smashing results. In the vein of Kipling, I'll try not to breathe a word about any loss.

[Grits]

Thanks for the replies. This place works well as a gamblers therapy! Hope to be able to redboard some smashing results. In the vein of Kipling, I'll try not to breathe a word about any loss.

Be assured, your REDBOARD will not be as well received as this declaration was.

[Bochall]

Hit a few BC longshots: Pleasant Home (i hated the race so took a swang with a bomb), Better Talk Now at 27-1, the aforementioned Domedriver (although a better ride woulda gotten 'The Rock' home that day...lucky),and my 2 favorite ones: Alphabet Soup. I was playing my first BC and some system from a lousy turf mag had him as the winner...been hooked ever since! And my proudest bomb was Anees at 32-1. Keyed a couple of big scores by rollin by 'em late for me. Loved his final prep as he was gaining on Dixie Union and some other runner that escapes me(Forest Camp?); and i was sure he would get 'em on BC day in the Juv. The rub is that those scores are getting old! Its been a few years...i think i'm due...Zilva?

[kid4rilla]

Be assured, your REDBOARD will not be as well received as this declaration was.

This I am sure of.

[DJofSD]

Post your picks with some analysis before the races then you can be as boastful as you'd like.

[overthehill]

that is not true. i remember the race quite vividly. i had lost every race till that one. i remember that the trainer fabre had said in the racing form that arcangues was a really good horse who had suffered from back problems that had seemed better when he trainied him off the grass. when i saw 99-1 i couldnt resist and i bet $54 dollars into the race using various combinations arcangues in box exactas with the favorites , mostly best pal . i remember watching the race on the monitor and seeing a horse come flying up the rail to win without knowing who it was. it was arcangues and the horse who ran second i did not have. memory has repressed its name but it was ridden by Santos and definitely not Bertrando. fortunately i had $8 win and place on the winner. when i showed the winner to a track acquantaince he told me i was an idiot for betting on such a horse and stormed off.

[Old Sparky]

that is not true. i remember the race quite vividly. i had lost every race till that one. i remember that the trainer fabre had said in the racing form that arcangues was a really good horse who had suffered from back problems that had seemed better when he trainied him off the grass. when i saw 99-1 i couldnt resist and i bet $54 dollars into the race using various combinations arcangues in box exactas with the favorites , mostly best pal . i remember watching the race on the monitor and seeing a horse come flying up the rail to win without knowing who it was. it was arcangues and the horse who ran second i did not have. memory has repressed its name but it was ridden by Santos and definitely not Bertrando. fortunately i had $8 win and place on the winner. when i showed the winner to a track acquantaince he told me i was an idiot for betting on such a horse and stormed off.
1993 Arcangues 2:00 4/5 Jerry Bailey Andre Fabre Bertrando Kissin Kris .I think I should know who came in 2nd, Ihad the ex for $20 OS

[overthehill]

sorry. you are absolutely right. kissn kriss was third. maybe i had triples. who knows. im sure i used bertrando., and best pal. i know i didnt use kissn kriss and it cost me thousands.