Racino at Aqueduct..

[tzipi]

I'm sure it's an old topic and beaten dead because it's been years since they were SUPPOSE to get the racino when it was booming but I just don't like these ideas of covering up problems with a sport with a band-aid. They don't fix the problem,they just add on to it to keep them afloat. I know it has positives,but it has alot of negatives.

I've been to two Racinos and the same ammount of people are outside betting horses. It's not like the grandstands were packed because of it. Was just my observation.

They talk about new money coming in and boosting economy at Aqu and around it. I don't get it? People that are going to play here WILL be pretty much ALL local. So it's not new money,it's just money going from one persons pocket to another.

They talk about giving more options to the player and doing it for them. No they are not! They are just exploiting the WEAKNESSES on their patrons,not their strengths. Who can't see that.

Again I just wished they fixed racing for the patrons/fans that were always there. They could do alot more for the customers and make it worthwhile and that's why people are staying away. A RACINO is just there to rob more money from gamblers of horses and gamblers of video games. What do the horse players get out of this? I just wished they found a BETTER WAY,thats all.

Again I'm sure there's a million pluses that will be shouted out but my point was I find it bad that a "take more money from people by exploiting their weaknesses" band-aid is what's used to fix the sport I love.

If I'm wrong,I'm wrong. Just ticks me off a poker video game is the only way to make money and fix our sport.

[46zilzal]

Read it and WEEP like I did.

http://www.equidaily.com/bestbet/news/2009/91015.html

[tzipi]

Oh also NYRA has the new LOTTERY DAY. They set up booth for people to gamble on scratch offs. Hey,if you like it cool,just not for me. One gambling outlet is enough at the track. Don't need more added on to try and get more money from me.

What I found funny is that NYRA AQU has it posted I think for NOV 28th? Anyway it say it,"will be an event you won't want to miss!" Hmm there was really no one going for it at Belmont this past weekend. Would'nt call a table outside AQU's NYRA store with a person at a big table of scratch offs an EVENT I WONT WANT TO MISS! ha

But again I dont feel like someone saying hey you gamble on horses here and spend money,now come over here and gamble on these scratch-offs too is appealing. :D . Not that they force you obviously.

Just in case. I know NYRA and NYS Lottery is not the same. Not saying NYRA runs the lottery in NY state.

[samyn on the green]

Putting up a slot casino next to horse racing is surely the death of horse racing. Slot machines will be the replacement of the horse racing gambling vice.


Putting up a slots machine casino to support a racetrack is like Chrysler putting up a Toyota dealership that provides a subsidy to its failing Dodge dealership. It is only a matter of time before the Dodge dealership fails and the Toyota dealership continues on without having to give welfare to the failing Dodge dealership.

[Java Gold@TFT]

I'm sure it's an old topic and beaten dead because it's been years since they were SUPPOSE to get the racino when it was booming but I just don't like these ideas of covering up problems with a sport with a band-aid. They don't fix the problem,they just add on to it to keep them afloat. I know it has positives,but it has alot of negatives.


Try this thread. It has evolved from tne franchise going back to NYRA to one that gets involved in almost all legal wranglings in NY. Print it out or read it at your own risk.

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32592

BTW, Delaware North, who has run more campaign benefits for Patterson than any other bidder, has said that they feel they are the frontrunner for the license.

As far as the racino itself I really don't have a problem with it. My wife and her sister are button pushers so I know at least once per month I can go to Saratoga to watch live racing. I watch all ofthe live harness program while shuttling inside for the simulcast program. If it waasn't for the slots there would be even fewer people to watch and wager on live racing. That's just one spot but purses are up, the barns are full, there is rarely a race of less than 8 horses unless it is an open race for a good purse... basically the little things work for me personally. If htere wasn't button pushing with pretty colors on the screen then none of those people would spend a dollar on the races. As it is I see people who need a break come upstairs and bet a couple of races and start to learn a little more (and most of them are in the younger crowd). I don't think they are saviours but the slots do serve a purpose in some places.

[46zilzal]

Putting up a slot casino next to horse racing is surely the death of horse racing. Slot machines will be the replacement of the horse racing gambling vice.


Putting up a slots machine casino to support a racetrack is like Chrysler putting up a Toyota dealership that provides a subsidy to its failing Dodge dealership. It is only a matter of time before the Dodge dealership fails and the Toyota dealership continues on without having to give welfare to the failing Dodge dealership.
EVERYONE in the industry knows it too yet they still have to have those $$$$$$

[trying2win]

Did you ever notice, that every time a horse racing executive, horsemen group etc. lobby their local state or provincial government for slot machines at their track, that the beleaguered bettors are left out as one of the beneficiaries. Yup! That's right. No reductions in takeouts for the bettors (the customers who really pay all the bills). No extra bonuses at the betting windows or machines at the tracks, no extra money put in a customer's account at ADWS etc.

NO CUSTOMERS = NO RACETRACK OPERATING, NO HORSEMEN AND THEIR EMPLOYEES EARNING A LIVING RUNNING THEIR HORSES, NO JOCKEYS EARNING A LIVING, NO RACETRACK SUPPLIERS EARNING A LIVING etc.


Most if not all the net profits after track expenses associated with supplying slot machines, goes to state and provincial governments and horsemen. And...bettors get nothing, nada, zero, zilch.

When people come up to me at our local racetrack and complain about all the money they're losing on the slot machines on track, I try to educate them with the facts by telling them things like..."IF YOU'RE A REGULAR PLAYER ON SLOT MACHINES YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE IN THE LONG RUN...GUARANTEED!, BECAUSE OF THE HOUSE EDGE ON EVERY SPIN OF THE WHEEL ON THOSE @#$%&! MACHINES." If I can get these naive people to stop betting slot machines, I've done my job. I realize of course that if security at the track caught me educating the pitfalls of betting slot machines, I could be barred for a long time from our local racetrack. So what!...it would be no big deal.

If I got barred, I'd just expose Northlands Park more to the public on how these weasels running the show there, don't pay their fair share of taxes, get millions in subsidies every year from our local city government (I haven't checked, but I wouldn't be surprised if Northlands Park also receives subsidies from our provincial government as well) to run their operations etc. I'd also like to expose how Northlands Park and other casinos across the province spreads lies on how having slot machines at their racetrack or business creates prosperity and jobs. Wrong! It just creates more addicted losers from low-income people who are ones who can least afford to lose. And I'd like to expose the sleazy, Alberta provincial government who allows all these casinos and racinos to operate and who figure their doing a wonderful thing in the process...WRONG! IN MY OPINION.

I think each district in our province should decide if casinos or slot machines etc. should be allowed...not provincial officials.


T2W

[trying2win]

Sorry...I goofed on the last line in my last post in this thread (and I was to late to edit it)

It reads:
--"I think each district in our province should decide if casinos or slot machines etc. should be allowed...not provincial officials."

IT SHOULD HAVE READ:

--"I think the voters in each district in our province via a plebiscite, should decide if they want casinos or slot machines in their area, not provincial government politicians deciding for them."

T2W