“It’s disgusting."

[Show Me the Wire]

" He’s expanding all of Bush’s wars,” said David Rolde, 42, of Weston. The stay-at-home dad held signs that read “Arrest Obama for war crimes” and “Free Palestine.”

"“I hope I can reach some Americans and help them understand how bad Obama is,” he said." A statement from the protests against Obama at fundraiser.

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1206962

All of America feels your pain, Mr. Rolde. Maybe people like Mr. Rolde will enable hcap, mostpost, njstinks, zilly, etc that Obama should be arrested for war crimes.

[Tom]

More astro-people, no doubt. Bunch of racists.

[alydar]

" He’s expanding all of Bush’s wars,” said David Rolde, 42, of Weston. The stay-at-home dad held signs that read “Arrest Obama for war crimes” and “Free Palestine.”

"“I hope I can reach some Americans and help them understand how bad Obama is,” he said." A statement from the protests against Obama at fundraiser.

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1206962

All of America feels your pain, Mr. Rolde. Maybe people like Mr. Rolde will enable hcap, mostpost, njstinks, zilly, etc that Obama should be arrested for war crimes.

What war crimes are to?

[cj's dad]

What war crimes are to?

Please respond in English--- WTF R U talking about ???

[JustRalph]

Please respond in English--- WTF R U talking about ???


you were reading my mind

[Dave Schwartz]

SMTW,

Perhaps I am confused here but weren't you an Obama fan last year?


Dave

[Show Me the Wire]

SMTW,

Perhaps I am confused here but weren't you an Obama fan last year?


Dave

You are very confused, Dave.

I was one of the first to bring up his connections to the cook county dem political machine, his inexperience, and the liklehood of the expansion of the war to Pakistan.

However, I opined he would beat the then Sen. Clinton in the primary. Maybe that is why you are thinking I was a fan.

[lamboguy]

no doubt about it. obama is part of a right wing conspiracy. all you right wingers out there must love this guy

[Tom]

Put down the bong and walk away.
:rolleyes:

[Show Me the Wire]

You are very confused, Dave.

I was one of the first to bring up his connections to the cook county dem political machine, his inexperience, and the liklehood of the expansion of the war to Pakistan.

However, I opined he would beat the then Sen. Clinton in the primary. Maybe that is why you are thinking I was a fan.


Here is the link http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42037&highlight=Obama+clinton where I referenced the reason why Oprah backed Obama.

Also, the link to my sarcastic post of how Obama is going to unite the world by expanding the war into Pakistan. http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=48745&highlight=Obama+pakistan

Though it does worry me, Dave, that you believed I ever supported such a progressive liberal with an extreme agenda. hcap misqouting me I can understand, but you.

I forgive you.

[Dave Schwartz]

SMTW,

Please accept my sincere apology.

Don't know what I was thinking.

Dave

[wes]

Dave I have those SENIOR moments quiet often.


wes

[Show Me the Wire]

SMTW,

Please accept my sincere apology.

Don't know what I was thinking.

Dave

Thanks Dave. Truthfully, I was not offended just a little surpised.

[boxcar]

Thanks Dave. Truthfully, I was not offended just a little surpised.

Frankly, I don't know what I would have done if Dave had thought that about me. I probably would have flown to Japan to commit a little hari-kari because I wouldn't have been able to cope with the shame of anyone associating me with a commie in any way, shape or form. :faint:

Boxcar

[jballscalls]

Frankly, I don't know what I would have done if Dave had thought that about me. I probably would have flown to Japan to commit a little hari-kari because I wouldn't have been able to cope with the shame of anyone associating me with a commie in any way, shape or form. :faint:

Boxcar

you are associated with him, your an American and he is your leader and commander in Chief.

http://www.jal.com/

[lamboguy]

Put down the bong and walk away.
:rolleyes:don't you know i don't inhale?

[cj's dad]

you are associated with him, your an American and he is your leader and commander in Chief.
http://www.jal.com/

mmm mmm mmm .

[jballscalls]

mmm mmm mmm .

just because we dont like him doesnt change what he is

[boxcar]

you are associated with him, your an American and he is your leader and commander in Chief.

http://www.jal.com/

In name only. Thankfully, I'm still free to voice my dissent with my "leader", so my association with him, at best, is virtually non-existent. I do not support his public policy, his ideology or agenda. And for the record, once again: I want his agenda and policies to fail because then real Americans get to win. And if you have a tough time differentiating between bad government policies and the negative impact they would have on freedom-loving Americans, then that's your problem.

And he's certainly not my "commander-in-chief. I'm not in the military.

Boxcar

[boxcar]

just because we dont like him doesnt change what he is

I would to God that it would change WHAT he is. Or did you mean to say, "who" he is?

Boxcar

[jballscalls]

I would to God that it would change WHAT he is. Or did you mean to say, "who" he is?

Boxcar

i dont understand the first part of your comment? "i would to god"

what and who is simply semantics, he IS the potus, if we like it or not

[jballscalls]

In name only. Thankfully, I'm still free to voice my dissent with my "leader", so my association with him, at best, is virtually non-existent. I do not support his public policy, his ideology or agenda. And for the record, once again: I want his agenda and policies to fail because then real Americans get to win. And if you have a tough time differentiating between bad government policies and the negative impact they would have on freedom-loving Americans, then that's your problem.

And he's certainly not my "commander-in-chief. I'm not in the military.

Boxcar

what are 'Real Americans"?? surely people who have opposite values than you aren't fake americans.

[mostpost]

what are 'Real Americans"?? surely people who have opposite values than you aren't fake americans.
Oh yes they are. :rolleyes:

[boxcar]

what are 'Real Americans"?? surely people who have opposite values than you aren't fake americans.

Real Americans are the folks who believe in individual liberties, capitalism, limited government, hot dogs, apple pie and, of course, horse racing. ;)

Boxcar

[boxcar]

what are 'Real Americans"?? surely people who have opposite values than you aren't fake americans.

They're pseudo Americans. How's that?

Boxcar

[Show Me the Wire]

you are associated with him, your an American and he is your leader and commander in Chief.

He holds the position, but he is not acting accordingly. The commander and chief means he has to make decisions. He is not making any.

[jballscalls]

They're pseudo Americans. How's that?

Boxcar

It's still wrong. I think real americans are anyone who believe in something and exercise their freedoms to believe in such things. If someone believes that our country is better off as a socialist/nanny state as you call it, then they are being american by believing in what they see fit. That is their individual liberty to believe in what they want. even if you and i disagree with it.

[jballscalls]

He holds the position, but he is not acting accordingly. The cooander and chief means he has to make decisions. He is not making any.

you may think he's not acting accordingly while you may have thought Bush did. just as many REAL americans thought bush didnt act accordingly and obama isn't.

he's made lots of decisions. he's decided to tax the rich, to give us middle class people a small tax break, but make up for it with cap and trade and other BS. He's pushed for health care reform and he certainly made a decision to make that stimulus. Like it or not, he's certainly made some decisions

[Show Me the Wire]

It's still wrong. I think real americans are anyone who believe in something and exercise their freedoms to believe in such things. If someone believes that our country is better off as a socialist/nanny state as you call it, then they are being american by believing in what they see fit. That is their individual liberty to believe in what they want. even if you and i disagree with it.

To be a society you need the same goals. Your premise is incorrect by definition. Using your definition everybody has different goals and is anti-society.

The Nation was founded as a republic not a democracy. A republic based on common goals. If we no longer have these common goals then the republic will dissolve.

[Show Me the Wire]

you may think he's not acting accordingly while you may have thought Bush did. just as many REAL americans thought bush didnt act accordingly and obama isn't.

he's made lots of decisions. he's decided to tax the rich, to give us middle class people a small tax break, but make up for it with cap and trade and other BS. He's pushed for health care reform and he certainly made a decision to make that stimulus. Like it or not, he's certainly made some decisions

I agree He made some easy executive decsions. Not the commander and chief type.

[jballscalls]

To be a society you need the same goals. Your premise is incorrect by definition. Using your definition everybody has different goals and is anti-society.

The Nation was founded as a republic not a democracy. A republic based on common goals. If we no longer have these common goals then the republic will dissolve.

the only common goal that a majority of us have is that we want to be happy and lead good decent lives and for everyone in our society who is good to have a decent life.

but since we dont have the same ideas on how to get there, we never will have that because a mass amount of people will always feel wronged. half the people will always be pissed. your solution doesn't sound like it creates a "Society" either because we wont agree.

[Show Me the Wire]

the only common goal that a majority of us have is that we want to be happy and lead good decent lives and for everyone in our society who is good to have a decent life.

but since we dont have the same ideas on how to get there, we never will have that because a mass amount of people will always feel wronged. half the people will always be pissed. your solution doesn't sound like it creates a "Society" either because we wont agree.

The common goals in the past historical sense are indvidual freedoms from government (see Constitution limiting powers of government and Bill of Rights), strong defense from foreign aggression and a civil society. These are the things people agreed upon and it worked.

These are the historical goals the republic was formed upon. It was not formed on welfare, free housing, etc.

Society didn't work when people differed on the slavery issue. The division was resolved through armed conflict. That is the natural progression when society cannot agree on its common goals.


You are right about the happiness part, as in the pursuit of life and liberty, which means I should be able to ingest what I want, smoke cigarettes in public places, not wear seatbelts, bicycle helmets or buy health insureance.

[JustRalph]

Originally Posted by jballscalls
you are associated with him, your an American and he is your leader and commander in Chief.
mmm mmm mmm .

Classic response......... :ThmbUp: :lol:

[Tom]

the only common goal that a majority of us have is that we want to be happy and lead good decent lives and for everyone in our society who is good to have a decent life.

but since we dont have the same ideas on how to get there, we never will have that because a mass amount of people will always feel wronged. half the people will always be pissed. your solution doesn't sound like it creates a "Society" either because we wont agree.

Great. Then let's split the country into two nations. that half that want to work an get ahead and those that want a free ride. Works for me.

the only common goal that a majority of us have is that we want to be happy and lead good decent lives and for everyone in our society who is good to have a decent life. You left a a big part of that. Half of us want to work for it. The other half wants us to work for it, too.

[jballscalls]

The common goals in the past historical sense are indvidual freedoms from government (see Constitution limiting powers of government and Bill of Rights), strong defense from foreign aggression and a civil society. These are the things people agreed upon and it worked.

These are the historical goals the republic was formed upon. It was not formed on welfare, free housing, etc.

Society didn't work when people differed on the slavery issue. The division was resolved through armed conflict. That is the natural progression when society cannot agree on its common goals.


You are right about the happiness part, as in the pursuit of life and liberty, which means I should be able to ingest what I want, smoke cigarettes in public places, not wear seatbelts, bicycle helmets or buy health insureance.

I think we're kind of on the same page. I dont have any sympathy for smokers though, after working in a poker room for 2 years and breathing in their toxins, i say let em sit out in the cold. And i know what Tom's response will be to that "to protect your rights, you have to protect everyones rights" or something along those lines. "you chose to work there" yada yada yada.

but by all means if you dont want to wear a seatbelt, a bike helmet or buy health insurance your welcome to.

But if you can choose to do all that, shouldn't i be able to choose if i want to smoke a joint, snort a line, marry someone of my same sex, and shouldnt my sister be able to abort a fetus if she was raped and impregnated?

[jballscalls]

Originally Posted by jballscalls
you are associated with him, your an American and he is your leader and commander in Chief.


Classic response......... :ThmbUp: :lol:

gota admit, i laughed too! :ThmbUp:

[Show Me the Wire]

I think we're kind of on the same page. I dont have any sympathy for smokers though, after working in a poker room for 2 years and breathing in their toxins, i say let em sit out in the cold. And i know what Tom's response will be to that "to protect your rights, you have to protect everyones rights" or something along those lines. "you chose to work there" yada yada yada.

but by all means if you dont want to wear a seatbelt, a bike helmet or buy health insurance your welcome to.

But if you can choose to do all that, shouldn't i be able to choose if i want to smoke a joint, snort a line, marry someone of my same sex, and shouldnt my sister be able to abort a fetus if she was raped and impregnated?

The only nay you are going to receive from me is on the marriage issue. Marriage, even ancient socities that openly practiced same sex love, was reserved to be between a man and a woman. Also, it is entirely an economic issue that will increas the already heavy tax burden.

I guess you did not get me hint about ingesting anything you want. Ingesting drugs was well tolerated until prohibition.

As far as abortion, I do not morally support it, but it is the correct legal interpretation of the law. The government has no busines in deciding to limit your reproductive rights (limiting the amount of children) or to enforce reproductive rights. It is a moral decision and government should not be in the morality business.

[Warren Henry]

It's still wrong. I think real americans are anyone who believe in something and exercise their freedoms to believe in such things. If someone believes that our country is better off as a socialist/nanny state as you call it, then they are being american by believing in what they see fit. That is their individual liberty to believe in what they want. even if you and i disagree with it.

But implementation of their belief denies me the right to my belief. A socialist/nanny state takes away individual liberties.

[Tom]

If it depends upon someone else else providing it, it is not a right.