BO's accomplishments:

[cj's dad]

1. Offended the Queen of England .

2. Bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia .

3. Praised the Marxist Daniel Ortega.

4. Kissed Socialist Hugo Chavez on the cheek.

5. Endorsed the Socialist Evo Morales of Bolivia .

6.. Sided with Hugo Chavez and Communist Fidel Castro against Honduras ..

7. Announced we would meet with Iranians with no pre-conditions while they're building their nuclear weapons.

8. Gave away billions to AIG also without pre-conditions.

9. Expanded the bailouts.

10. Insulted everyone who has ever loved a Special Olympian..

11. Doubled our national debt.

12. Announced the termination of our new missile defense system the day after North Korea launched an ICBM.

13. Released information on U.S. Intelligence gathering despite urgings of his own CIA director and the prior four CIA directors.

14. Accepted without comment that five of his cabinet members cheated on their taxes and two other nominees withdrew after they couldn't take the heat.

15. Appointed a Homeland Security Chief who identified military veterans and abortion opponents as "dangers to the nation."

16. Ordered that the word "terrorism" no longer be used and instead refers to such acts as "man made disasters."

17. Circled the globe to publicly apologize for America's world leadership.

18. Told the Mexican president that the violence in their country was because of us.

19. Politicized the census by moving it into the White House from the Department of Commerce.

20. Appointed as Attorney General the man who orchestrated the forced removal and expulsion to Cuba of a 9-year-old whose mother died trying to bring him to freedom in the United States .

21. Salutes as heroes three Navy SEALS who took down three terrorists who threatened one American life and the next day announces members of the Bush administration may stand trial for "torturing" three 9/11 terrorists by pouring water up their noses.

22. Low altitude photo shoot of Air Force One over New York City that frightened thousands of New Yorkers.

23. Sent his National Defense Advisor to Europe to assure them that the US will no longer treat Israel in a special manner and they might be on their own with the Muslims..

24. Praised Jimmy Carter's trip to Gaza where he sided with terrorist Hamas against Israel .

25.. Nationalized General Motors and Chrysler while turning shareholder control over to the unions and freezing out retired investors who owned their bonds. Committed unlimited taxpayer billions in the process.

26. Passed a huge energy tax in the House that will make American industry even less competitive while costing homeowners thousands per year.

27. Announced nationalized health care "reform" that will strip seniors of their Medicare, cut pay of physicians, increase taxes yet another $1 trillion, and put everyone on rationed care with government bureaucrats deciding who gets care and who doesn't.

[Greyfox]

28. Refused to see the Dalai Lama, a former peace prize recipient.

29. Has failed to identify an exit plan for Afghanistan or answer General McChrystal's request.

30. Got a college prof and a cop to talk over a beer.

31. Presided over the fall of the dollar when compared to International currency.

32. Won the Nobel Peace Prize for talking the talk but not walking the walk.

33. Spent 4 hours in New Orleans doing a detailed assessment of the damage caused by Hurricane Katrina.

[illinoisbred]

How fittng, this nation will have to undergo another era of "reconstruction" once Obama's gone.

[Greyfox]

34. Made the decision to abandon previous defence commitments to Eastern Europe.

35. Appeared on the David Letterman show one or two evenings before Letterman was exposed for philandering and possible harrassment.

36. Along with the First Lady, he rushed overseas and pled with the IOC for an Olympic bid for Chicago. When the votes were in Chicago was last.

[cj's dad]

Thanks for the added "accomplishments" Greyfox !!

The original list was actually from his first 6 months in office.

Amazing how much :eek: he has done for America in only 9 months :bang:

May God help us all !!

[GaryG]

And he is the hero of song and story just like David (don't call me Davy) Crockett. mmm mmm mmm!

[Greyfox]

37. Appointed a White House Communications Director whose favorite "philosopher" is Chairman Mao. She has since denounced Fox News as a perspective network.


38. Has presided over an economy in which the housing market has seen the greatest number of mortgage foreclosures since who knows when.

[Tom]

39. Bragged to foreign governments that he now controls the media here, and then made veiled threats to CNN, ABS, CBS, that he "hoped they would not follow the path Fox has chosen", ie, asking real questions, fact checking, daring to question the Messiah.......

40. Murdered presumed innocent Pakistanis repeatedly.

[mostpost]

1. Offended the Queen of England .

2. Bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia .

3. Praised the Marxist Daniel Ortega.

4. Kissed Socialist Hugo Chavez on the cheek.

5. Endorsed the Socialist Evo Morales of Bolivia .

6.. Sided with Hugo Chavez and Communist Fidel Castro against Honduras ..

7. Announced we would meet with Iranians with no pre-conditions while they're building their nuclear weapons.

8. Gave away billions to AIG also without pre-conditions.

9. Expanded the bailouts.

10. Insulted everyone who has ever loved a Special Olympian..

11. Doubled our national debt.

12. Announced the termination of our new missile defense system the day after North Korea launched an ICBM.

13. Released information on U.S. Intelligence gathering despite urgings of his own CIA director and the prior four CIA directors.

14. Accepted without comment that five of his cabinet members cheated on their taxes and two other nominees withdrew after they couldn't take the heat.

15. Appointed a Homeland Security Chief who identified military veterans and abortion opponents as "dangers to the nation."

16. Ordered that the word "terrorism" no longer be used and instead refers to such acts as "man made disasters."

17. Circled the globe to publicly apologize for America's world leadership.

18. Told the Mexican president that the violence in their country was because of us.

19. Politicized the census by moving it into the White House from the Department of Commerce.

20. Appointed as Attorney General the man who orchestrated the forced removal and expulsion to Cuba of a 9-year-old whose mother died trying to bring him to freedom in the United States .

21. Salutes as heroes three Navy SEALS who took down three terrorists who threatened one American life and the next day announces members of the Bush administration may stand trial for "torturing" three 9/11 terrorists by pouring water up their noses.

22. Low altitude photo shoot of Air Force One over New York City that frightened thousands of New Yorkers.

23. Sent his National Defense Advisor to Europe to assure them that the US will no longer treat Israel in a special manner and they might be on their own with the Muslims..

24. Praised Jimmy Carter's trip to Gaza where he sided with terrorist Hamas against Israel .

25.. Nationalized General Motors and Chrysler while turning shareholder control over to the unions and freezing out retired investors who owned their bonds. Committed unlimited taxpayer billions in the process.

26. Passed a huge energy tax in the House that will make American industry even less competitive while costing homeowners thousands per year.

27. Announced nationalized health care "reform" that will strip seniors of their Medicare, cut pay of physicians, increase taxes yet another $1 trillion, and put everyone on rationed care with government bureaucrats deciding who gets care and who doesn't.
Well, I can't say there is no substance there. It's all wrong, but it is substance, of a sort.
1. Like you're so worried about the Queen of England and her feelings. :rolleyes:
2. It's called courtesy.
3. When did this happen? The only thing I could find was after Ortega's diatribe, Obama said he hoped Ortega didn't blame him for things that happened when he (Obama) was three months old.
4 & 5. Expressing a willingness to "work with" is NOT the same as praising.
6. Actually he supported the democratically elected government of Honduras against a military coup.
7. Yeah, the other way has worked so well. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
8 & 9. Both made necesary by the disastrous policies of the Bush administration.
10. You got one right.
11 See response 8 & 9. I'm sure you were just as outraged when Reagan and Bush I quadrupled the debt during their terms. :faint:
12. And replaced it with a system that was more effective, cheaper, and that would be in operation sooner.
13. I don't know enough details on this to comment. Unlucky 13 I guess.
14. Those people fulfilled their obligations. Nobody was charged with any crime. Most of the problems were brought about by unfamiliarity or confusion about a very confusing tax system.
15. The report said "SOME" veterans might be enticed to become part of a radical group and, due to their training and combat skills could pose a threat.
It did not accuse all, or even most, veterans, and any attempt to claim it did is nothing more than an attempt to confuse the issue.
To be continued after further research

[Greyfox]

:lol: 4. Expressing a willingness to "work with" is NOT the same as praising.


4. Kissing Hugo Chavez on the cheek is reframed to be "expressing a willingness to work with?" I work with all sorts of people but I don't kiss them on the cheek showing my willingness. :lol: :lol:

[GaryG]

:lol:

4. Kissing Hugo Chavez on the cheek is reframed to be "expressing a willingness to work with?" I work with all sorts of people but I don't kiss them on the cheek showing my willingness. :lol: :lol:The last time I kissed someone on the cheek to show willingness I got slapped. :eek:

[mostpost]

1. Offended the Queen of England .

2. Bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia .

3. Praised the Marxist Daniel Ortega.

4. Kissed Socialist Hugo Chavez on the cheek.

5. Endorsed the Socialist Evo Morales of Bolivia .

6.. Sided with Hugo Chavez and Communist Fidel Castro against Honduras ..

7. Announced we would meet with Iranians with no pre-conditions while they're building their nuclear weapons.

8. Gave away billions to AIG also without pre-conditions.

9. Expanded the bailouts.

10. Insulted everyone who has ever loved a Special Olympian..

11. Doubled our national debt.

12. Announced the termination of our new missile defense system the day after North Korea launched an ICBM.

13. Released information on U.S. Intelligence gathering despite urgings of his own CIA director and the prior four CIA directors.

14. Accepted without comment that five of his cabinet members cheated on their taxes and two other nominees withdrew after they couldn't take the heat.

15. Appointed a Homeland Security Chief who identified military veterans and abortion opponents as "dangers to the nation."

16. Ordered that the word "terrorism" no longer be used and instead refers to such acts as "man made disasters."

17. Circled the globe to publicly apologize for America's world leadership.

18. Told the Mexican president that the violence in their country was because of us.

19. Politicized the census by moving it into the White House from the Department of Commerce.

20. Appointed as Attorney General the man who orchestrated the forced removal and expulsion to Cuba of a 9-year-old whose mother died trying to bring him to freedom in the United States .

21. Salutes as heroes three Navy SEALS who took down three terrorists who threatened one American life and the next day announces members of the Bush administration may stand trial for "torturing" three 9/11 terrorists by pouring water up their noses.

22. Low altitude photo shoot of Air Force One over New York City that frightened thousands of New Yorkers.

23. Sent his National Defense Advisor to Europe to assure them that the US will no longer treat Israel in a special manner and they might be on their own with the Muslims..

24. Praised Jimmy Carter's trip to Gaza where he sided with terrorist Hamas against Israel .

25.. Nationalized General Motors and Chrysler while turning shareholder control over to the unions and freezing out retired investors who owned their bonds. Committed unlimited taxpayer billions in the process.

26. Passed a huge energy tax in the House that will make American industry even less competitive while costing homeowners thousands per year.

27. Announced nationalized health care "reform" that will strip seniors of their Medicare, cut pay of physicians, increase taxes yet another $1 trillion, and put everyone on rationed care with government bureaucrats deciding who gets care and who doesn't.
16. I haven't noticed any drop off in the use of the "Terror" word.
17. As well he should have following the arrogant and incompetent foreign policy of the previous eight years.
18. He said that drug use in the United States is what kept the drug cartels in business. If you can't see that this is true, you need an eye exam.
19. I googled 2010 census. It is being conducted by the Census Bureau. The Census Bureau is stilll apart of.....wait for it.....THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE. hmmmmm.
20. Elian Gonzalez was returned to his biological father in accordance with a court ruling and the laws of this country.
21. You have a problem with saluting Navy SEALS?
22. Do you really think Obama gets involved in matters of this small import?
23 & 24. Our mid East policy of the last eight years has been an absmal failur, why not try something new?
25. Policies made necesary by the previous administration's refusal to address the problem.
26. Passing a bill in the House does not make it a law.
27. Straight from the Tea Party playbook; a mixture of misinformation, lies and fearmongering.

By the way, which conservative website did you get your list from?

[jognlope]

Started health care reform so that people will not die because of insurance company greed.

[Greyfox]

22. Do you really think Obama gets involved in matters of this small import?


:lol: You should go on Letterman too.
Buzzing New York buildings with Air Force One and scaring thousands of New Yorkers is a matter of small import? Like no sane President would know where his plane always is would he? :lol: Play it again Sam. They weren't scared enough in 2001. Play it again. Maybe next year we'll have the Heenes flying saucer come over it. Play it again Sam.:lol: :lol:

[Tom]

Started health care reform so that people will not die because of insurance company greed.

They will now die from government ineptness.

[mostpost]

:lol: You should go on Letterman too.
Buzzing New York buildings with Air Force One and scaring thousands of New Yorkers is a matter of small import? Like no sane President would know where his plane always is would he? :lol: Play it again Sam. They weren't scared enough in 2001. Play it again. Maybe next year we'll have the Heenes flying saucer come over it. Play it again Sam.:lol: :lol:
The matter of small import was the fact that publicity photos were being taken. I seriously doubt that any President would concern himself with such minutiae. Flying Air Force One over Manhatten was a stupid idea, and as the man in charge, Obama must take responsibility. But to make it seem as if he woke up one morning and said, "Let's scare some New Yorkers, won't that be fun?" is just silly.

As for knowing the whereabouts of Air Force One; Air Force One isn't the only Air Force One. If the Pressident were to need to leave Washington quickly, I'm sure there are a number of options available to him.

[rastajenk]

But Obama didn't take responsibility for that, unless you call firing the guy who made the call taking responsibility. I'm sure the fired guy doesn't see it that way.

When has he ever taken responsibility for anything? It's always someone else's fault...usually Bush, but sometimes Rush, sometimes Fox, sometimes his grandma; but never himself.

[NoDayJob]

They're all laughing their asses off at American voters who demanded CHANGE! Whata country! :lol: :lol:

[Bochall]

35) Appeared on Letterman a few before nights his philandering trouble....is that the kind of shot people are taking now? How fu**ing retarded...as if he's involved in Dave's sex games. That's an OBVIOUS "pile on" and you know it.
40) Killed presumed innocent Pakistanis repeatedly...you cannot maintain credibility and make such stupid allegations at the same time. One can say our former Prez murdered innocent Iraqis over and over again. Anytime any member of our military kills innocents one can say the Prez did it. If the former Prez hadn't put our troops there then the current Prez could not have killed innocent people with those troops, right? There was no collateral damage during the Bush admin? So Bush is also responsible huh? Silly sounding isn't it? In fairness, it's the same crap said after 911...Bush let Al Qaeda get stronger and could have stopped it. Well, don't you think Al Qaeda was strengthening during the Clinton years? He "let" it happen too...people post this TOTAL DIVISIVE CRAP and then wonder why our country is falling apart. It's that division that people promote everyday...it's your fault,and mine.

[jballscalls]

35) Appeared on Letterman a few before nights his philandering trouble....is that the kind of shot people are taking now? How fu**ing retarded...as if he's involved in Dave's sex games. That's an OBVIOUS "pile on" and you know it.
40) Killed presumed innocent Pakistanis repeatedly...you cannot maintain credibility and make such stupid allegations at the same time. One can say our former Prez murdered innocent Iraqis over and over again. Anytime any member of our military kills innocents one can say the Prez did it. If the former Prez hadn't put our troops there then the current Prez could not have killed innocent people with those troops, right? There was no collateral damage during the Bush admin? So Bush is also responsible huh? Silly sounding isn't it? In fairness, it's the same crap said after 911...Bush let Al Qaeda get stronger and could have stopped it. Well, don't you think Al Qaeda was strengthening during the Clinton years? He "let" it happen too...people post this TOTAL DIVISIVE CRAP and then wonder why our country is falling apart. It's that division that people promote everyday...it's your fault,and mine.

:ThmbUp: agree with both observations. I'm not an obama fan, but people are piling on just for the sake that they dont like him and they'll do anything to say it. I mean people complaining about the POTUS wanting to talk to kids about education and him trying to get the olympics to create economic stimulus to his hometown and one of our major cities is really reaching. But the left did the same to Bush and company, so no surprise the right have no stooped to the left's level on smear campaigns.

[Bochall]

...and let us not forget his most hillarious accomplishment, number 41 if I am not mistaken...41) sentenced all whiny titty baby Repubs to AT LEAST four years of bawling and pouting. Also, you have been sentenced to four yrs of LOOKING FOR MORE SH*T about a man you absolutely hate. Look inside of yourself; what does it say about you? You who will go on a quest for shit...ain't that what you say about the ACLU, the NAACP? They look for shit right, or just make it up huh? Congrats, you have joined the ranks of the shitmongers, and you'll be there for a few more years...stinks,huh?

[exactaplayer]

President Obama should also get credit for making faux infotainment back down on displaying their most recent tea party.
Freedom watch, a grassroots organization founded by the 8th richest man in America. :D

[ArlJim78]

:ThmbUp: agree with both observations. I'm not an obama fan, but people are piling on just for the sake that they dont like him and they'll do anything to say it. I mean people complaining about the POTUS wanting to talk to kids about education and him trying to get the olympics to create economic stimulus to his hometown and one of our major cities is really reaching. But the left did the same to Bush and company, so no surprise the right have no stooped to the left's level on smear campaigns.
you'll never get it jballs, it is not about not liking the man, it's all about what we perceive as a whole host of destructive and harmful policies that set the country back. i'm sorry you aren't able to recognize that and instead call it a smear.

FYI, you've mischaracterized or simply don't understand the view from the right on the two issues you brought up. the Olympics complaint wasn't about trying to create stimulus in his hometown, it was about he and his team being terribly misinformed and he and his wife giving tearful speeches about themselves to a committee that wasn't there to hear individual sob stories from each nation. It wasn't about them, it was supposed to be about the city of Chicago and he goes there talking about himself. Its terribly offputting how self absorbed the man is.

I'm not going to go into the education thing because it was discussed here ad infinitum and involved concerns about indoctrination being the real message. for example the numerous examples around the country where teachers had their students singing songs of worship to Obama. maybe you're fine with that for your kids, but many of us want no part of it.

[ArlJim78]

President Obama should also get credit for making faux infotainment back down on displaying their most recent tea party.
Freedom watch, a grassroots organization founded by the 8th richest man in America. :D
time to think for yourself, Fox doesn't cover all the Tea Parties, they can't. They happen almost every week and all around the country. there have been thousands of them. the vast majority of tea parties get no cable coverage from any network, including Fox.

I've been to three Tea Parties and the only time I saw any coverage was the one where CNN sent in a reporter to do a hit piece on it and she got all confrontational.

most of the tea parties are only documented on blogs.

[Tom]

...and let us not forget his most hillarious accomplishment, number 41 if I am not mistaken...41) sentenced all whiny titty baby Repubs to AT LEAST four years of bawling and pouting. Also, you have been sentenced to four yrs of LOOKING FOR MORE SH*T about a man you absolutely hate. Look inside of yourself; what does it say about you? You who will go on a quest for shit...ain't that what you say about the ACLU, the NAACP? They look for shit right, or just make it up huh? Congrats, you have joined the ranks of the shitmongers, and you'll be there for a few more years...stinks,huh?

Try addressing a single fact. You have yet to do that. Talk is cheap.
WE have presented plenty of specifics that we are opposed to - unlike you and your kind, everyone one of you afraid to face reality and resorting to attack on anyone who opposes him. Come on, that all you got? :lol:

[Tom]

President Obama should also get credit for making faux infotainment back down on displaying their most recent tea party.
Freedom watch, a grassroots organization founded by the 8th richest man in America. :D

Proof of this, or just more bluster? :rolleyes:

[mostpost]

Proof of this, or just more bluster? :rolleyes:
David Koch, the eighth richest man in America was the founder and major funder of Citizens for a Sound Economy. FreedomWorks (not watch) and Americans for Prosperity are two organizations which branched out from and replaced Citizens for a Sound Economy. Koch continues to be a major source of funding for both. FreedomWorks is the primary organizer and sponsor of the Tea Parties.

[Bochall]

You have the most posts of anyone on this site (or damned close to it). Think about it: those who are always talking/posting usually have the least to say and even less credibility. Remember that kid in school who just ran his fargin mouth about EVERYTHING but really knew nothing...that's you. Quality over quantity...and i did address a specific allegation. It was #40 posted by....wait for it...you ofcourse. Obama repeatedly killed presumed innocent Pakis? Do we know if the presumption was correct? I presume you dont know...go take a shower you sh*tmonger, you stink.

[rastajenk]

Posthole, I think Tom was questioning the part about Obama forcing Fox's decision-making. If that is true, which I seriously doubt, only a fool would celebrate a President infringing on the freedom of speech.

And here's a flash: there are no sponsors of the TEA parties. There are like-minded citizens and organizations, but it is truly a grassroots movement. Too bad for you if you can't see that or acknowledge its worth.

[PaceAdvantage]

You have the most posts of anyone on this site (or damned close to it). Think about it: those who are always talking/posting usually have the least to say and even less credibility. Remember that kid in school who just ran his fargin mouth about EVERYTHING but really knew nothing...that's you. Quality over quantity...and i did address a specific allegation. It was #40 posted by....wait for it...you ofcourse. Obama repeatedly killed presumed innocent Pakis? Do we know if the presumption was correct? I presume you dont know...go take a shower you sh*tmonger, you stink.Did Tom call you a name? Did he?

Go crawl back into your hole.

[Greyfox]

Think about it: those who are always talking/posting usually have the least to say and even less credibility. .


:lol: Bochall perhaps in the other 160 or so posts you've made on this board maybe you've shown credibility and an ounce sagacity. I'm not aware of them.

But on this thread, the sample of comments you've presented here are
are living proof that the above statement made by you is absolutely false. :lol:

[Tom]

All I did was ask him to address a fact! Wow.
I had no idea it was that hard to do.

[exactaplayer]

time to think for yourself, Fox doesn't cover all the Tea Parties, they can't. They happen almost every week and all around the country. there have been thousands of them. the vast majority of tea parties get no cable coverage from any network, including Fox.

I've been to three Tea Parties and the only time I saw any coverage was the one where CNN sent in a reporter to do a hit piece on it and she got all confrontational.

most of the tea parties are only documented on blogs.
This party was promoted by glen beck. Faux had an ad on the promotion for this party. Turn off limbaugh and find out what is really going on.

[bigmack]

This party was promoted by glen beck. Faux had an ad on the promotion for this party. Turn off limbaugh and find out what is really going on.
Couldn't be happier to hear you're finally ready to put the kibosh on your continual posts that are simply snappy little quips complaining about people you don't agree with.

We're all ready. What is really going on?

[Tom]

This party was promoted by glen beck. Faux had an ad on the promotion for this party. Turn off limbaugh and find out what is really going on.

Oh, you watch FOX all the time do you? :lol:
If you don't, then you don't what they covered, now do you?

Closet Fox watcher?

[ArlJim78]

This party was promoted by glen beck. Faux had an ad on the promotion for this party. Turn off limbaugh and find out what is really going on.
Hannity did a couple, A COUPLE, of his shows from some of the major Tea Parties.
Fox covered and broadcast from them, they did not organize them, or create them. Unlike other networks they considered a million people protesting a news story worthy of covering.

Like Tom said, keep watching Fox, maybe in time you get a better handle on what is actually happening in the country.

But in the meantime since you seem to be really eager to follow up on the Tea Party movement, go to this (http://www.teapartypatriots.org/Default.aspx) link and find out what's going on in your area. There are over 700 groups nationwide, none of them have anything to do with Fox News.

[PaceAdvantage]

It's much easier for these guys to swallow the "big right-wing FOX conspiracy" than it is that the "folks" might be wising up a bit to all the Washington D.C. bullshit.

[riskman]

What really gets me about this president is his apologies for this country’s arrogance. Americans need not apologize to the world for their arrogance; rather, Americans should apologize to their forefathers for the arrogance of their president. Barack Obama suffers from either a complete misunderstanding of our heritage and history, or an utter contempt for it. Neither is excusable.

I recognize that America has made mistakes…plenty of them, in fact. But one of the great things about our people has been their courage and humility in admitting and correcting those mistakes. God willing, they will prove that willingness again in four years and correct the mistake that is the presidency of Barack Obama.

[mostpost]

And here's a flash: there are no sponsors of the TEA parties.

I have this great ocean front property in Kansas. Maybe you would be interested in buying it. :lol:

[mostpost]

Americans need not apologize to the world for their arrogance
Says the man who has just established a new standard for arrogance.

[NJ Stinks]

31. Presided over the fall of the dollar when compared to International currency.



Today you need $1.63 to buy a British Pound. On election day (Nov. 4, 2008) you needed a $1.61 to buy a British Pound. On November 1, 2007 you needed $2.08 to buy a British Pound.

Today you need a $1.49 to buy a Euro. On election day last year you needed $1.30 to buy a Euro. On November 1, 2007 you needed $1.44 to buy a Euro.

I suggest you at least look it up before making a claim that any American who went to the UK and/or Europe in those years knows is BS.

Try this link if you fancy factual information:

http://www.x-rates.com/ then in the "Menu" box click "Historic Lookup".

[Greyfox]

.

I have this great ocean front property in Kansas. Maybe you would be interested in buying it. :lol:

Hang on to it. Sell it at a price when Al Gore's theories come true. No one would knock yout for that. ;)

[Greyfox]

Today you need $1.63 to buy a British Pound. On election day (Nov. 4, 2008) you needed a $1.61 to buy a British Pound. On November 1, 2007 you needed $2.08 to buy a British Pound.

Today you need a $1.49 to buy a Euro. On election day last year you needed $1.30 to buy a Euro. On November 1, 2007 you needed $1.44 to buy a Euro.

I suggest you at least look it up before making a claim that any American who went to the UK and/or Europe in those years knows is BS.

Try this link if you fancy factual information:

http://www.x-rates.com/ then in the "Menu" box click "Historic Lookup".


Your numbers are accurate for what you are pointing out, except the specific nations you are pointing out are also in a recession. But consider"

http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv/idUSTRE59J66820091020

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Treasuries and federal housing agency debt.
The United States may face a series of asset price bubbles and a rerun of the financial crisis unless it lets the dollar fall "at least" another 25 percent, economist Bernard Connolly said on Tuesday.
Because fierce international resistance will likely prevent such a large dollar devaluation, Connolly told Reuters the Federal Reserve may instead have to extend indefinitely its artificial support of a struggling U.S. economy by purchasing another $2 trillion in U.S.

[Tom]

Says the man who has just established a new standard for arrogance.

I would apologize for your attitude about this great nation.

[Greyfox]

I suggest you at least look it up before making a claim that any American who went to the UK and/or Europe in those years knows is BS.

Try this link if you fancy factual information:

http://www.x-rates.com/ then in the "Menu" box click "Historic Lookup".

Say what you want Mr NJ Stinks,
my financial adviser told me this morning that the greenback dollar is worth less internationally than any time since before 1975.
Tell us that isn't so.

[Bochall]

:lol: Bochall perhaps in the other 160 or so posts you've made on this board maybe you've shown credibility and an ounce sagacity. I'm not aware of them.

But on this thread, the sample of comments you've presented here are
are living proof that the above statement made by you is absolutely false. :lol: Seriously GreyFox, why the pile on posting about Obama appearing on Letterman a few nights before the sex scandal? Is it that he appeared on a late night talk show or do you think he was involved in Dave's games? Or is it that you perceive him to be fraternizing with a bad character? You simply cant use that appearance and tie it to Dave's sex scandal and somehow point the finger at Obama...that takes away from your credibility. It's a preposterous point to try to make. I think you can admit that. Finally, how is it not credible for me to take on two "points" made about Obama? The one I just discussed and the one about him repeatedly killing presumed innocent Pakis....they are both ridiculous allegations. You just disagree with how I made my points...understood.

[Greyfox]

Seriously GreyFox, why the pile on posting about Obama appearing on Letterman a few nights before the sex scandal? Is it that he appeared on a late night talk show or do you think he was involved in Dave's games? .

Seriously Bochall, Obama suffers from a childhood narcissistic injury.
As such he wants to be seen in as many quarters as possible as being "everyman." He lacks discrimination with respect to where he goes and appears. The Secret Service who cover him must find the task to be a total nightmare.
As President he has access to information sources that you and I don't.
Any preliminary checking by those sources of Letterman's reputation with his staff would have been easily obtained if Obama took a more cautious approach to where he goes and who he is seen with.
I suggest that the appearance on the Letterman show displayed a lack of discretion. I'd also suggest that all Presidents have to be very careful in appearing with comedians and the script should be vetted ahead of time.
I doubt Obama does that.
If you have any awareness of Obama's past, you'll also note that this is not the first time that he has been accused, rightly or wrongly, of lacking discrimination for who he associates with.

[Tom]

S The one I just discussed and the one about him repeatedly killing presumed innocent Pakis....they are both ridiculous allegations. You just disagree with how I made my points...understood.

Oh, sorry, that is not correct, but thank you for playing. You get the home version of our game ( Rock em Sock em Robots! :D)

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=100131283

According to Pakistani officials, at least 18 people were killed in the attacks, among them half a dozen foreign militants and their families. It's widely believed the missiles were fired from U.S. drones circling high above western Pakistan.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7847423.stm

At least one missile hit a house in a village near the town of Mirali in North Waziristan, a stronghold of al-Qaeda and Taliban militants.

http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=4082

[bigmack]

His stimoolatin' ain't stimoolatin'.

While President Obama claimed the result of his stimulus bill would be the creation of 3.5 million jobs,
the Nation has already lost a total of 2.7 million – a difference of 6.2 million jobs.

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u70/macktime/10_21_09_15_52_33.png
http://www.republicans.waysandmeans.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=150826

[cj's dad]

. I have this great ocean front property in Kansas. Maybe you would be interested in buying it. :lol:

If you do then you are truly stupid. Did you visit there when you were dropping off circulars, I mean mail there??? No wonder the USPS is a joke :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[mostpost]

His stimoolatin' ain't stimoolatin'.

While President Obama claimed the result of his stimulus bill would be the creation of 3.5 million jobs,
the Nation has already lost a total of 2.7 million – a difference of 6.2 million jobs.

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u70/macktime/10_21_09_15_52_33.png
http://www.republicans.waysandmeans.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=150826
There is a thread on this.

[Bochall]

Ugh!:bang: :bang: ....I suppose that during the Bush admin our troops NEVER mistanly targeted or killed ANY innocents in Iraq, huh? What should be the punishment for Obama 'killing' these people? Whatever it is make sure it's also carried out against Bush...and I would prefer a game of 'Rock 'em Sock' em Republicans' as ya'll ALL have your boxing gloves on and the action would be DY-NO-MITE!

[jballscalls]

Oh, sorry, that is not correct, but thank you for playing. You get the home version of our game ( Rock em Sock em Robots! :D)

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=100131283

According to Pakistani officials, at least 18 people were killed in the attacks, among them half a dozen foreign militants and their families. It's widely believed the missiles were fired from U.S. drones circling high above western Pakistan.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7847423.stm

At least one missile hit a house in a village near the town of Mirali in North Waziristan, a stronghold of al-Qaeda and Taliban militants.

http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=4082

So Obama went and killed people in afghanistan? did he use a gun or a missile? it's war, innocent people will die, bush was not a murderer even though presumably many innocent iraqi's died during his war there. It's war.

I know you get some kind of wierd 'jollies' off of calling obama a POS murderer cause you do it all the time, it's strange how some of you guys get off on namecalling

[PaceAdvantage]

So Obama went and killed people in afghanistan? did he use a gun or a missile? it's war, innocent people will die, bush was not a murderer even though presumably many innocent iraqi's died during his war there. It's war.

I know you get some kind of wierd 'jollies' off of calling obama a POS murderer cause you do it all the time, it's strange how some of you guys get off on namecallingHow is that by now you guys just don't "get it?"

Seriously, it's not that hard to understand. I know you don't need it spelled out....Bochall....jballscalls....do you really need me to explain it again?

OK. Here we go....

a) The left labeled GWB a murderer because of the "innocents" killed in Iraq and Afghanistan during his term in office.

b) The right, and folks like Tom, are now doing the same to Obama, because Obama has followed the same Bush policies of using drones and killing innocent folks in Afghanistan.

There. Simple enough, right fellas?

Folks like Tom have been educated by those on the left during the eight years Bush was being villified and labeled a killer by those on the left. And now Tom is simply using those skills taught to him by those on the left here in off-topic and applying such skills towards Obama now that Obama is calling the shots.

Thus ends today's lesson.

[jballscalls]

How is that by now you guys just don't "get it?"

Seriously, it's not that hard to understand. I know you don't need it spelled out....Bochall....jballscalls....do you really need me to explain it again?

OK. Here we go....

a) The left labeled GWB a murderer because of the "innocents" killed in Iraq and Afghanistan during his term in office.

b) The right, and folks like Tom, are now doing the same to Obama, because Obama has followed the same Bush policies of using drones and killing innocent folks in Afghanistan.

There. Simple enough, right fellas?

Folks like Tom have been educated by those on the left during the eight years Bush was being villified and labeled a killer by those on the left. And now Tom is simply using those skills taught to him by those on the left here in off-topic and applying such skills towards Obama now that Obama is calling the shots.

Thus ends today's lesson.

teacher teacher.

in my post you'll see that i wrote "bush was not a murderer' and obviously i'm a lefty compared to many on this board, you especially.

when you say "the left" and "The right" your generalizing too much. In my above post I hinted that it was wrong when people called bush a murderer for war related deaths, and it's wrong for tom to do it now.

two wrongs don't make a right. You say he's been educated by people on the left the last eight years, wouldn't he have learned from their mistakes and ignorance and be more mature about it and be a 'bigger man'? he always calls left people "dims" wouldnt he be being just as dim by acting like them?

can't wait for tomorrow's lesson!

[Hanover1]

Say what you want Mr NJ Stinks,
my financial adviser told me this morning that the greenback dollar is worth less internationally than any time since before 1975.
Tell us that isn't so.
Did he tell you this before, or after he sold you some GM stock?

[Java Gold@TFT]

teacher teacher.

two wrongs don't make a right. You say he's been educated by people on the left the last eight years, wouldn't he have learned from their mistakes and ignorance and be more mature about it and be a 'bigger man'? he always calls left people "dims" wouldnt he be being just as dim by acting like them?

Forrest Gump has been on several times this week and he Obama plan reminds me of the ongoing line - "Stupid is as stupid does". BO was the one who ran on promises of miltary reductions and transparency throughout government but it's time to either waalk the walk or admit stupidity. It has been 9 excruciating months. Time to put up or shut up and stop spending more time on town halls where you ignore the questioners and spend more time in the office taking care of actually being the CEO of the country.

Speaking of which is htere even an officla picture anywhere of BO sitting at the desk in the Oval Office actaually doing work? Seems he is happier being in front of a camera standing next to a theater on Broadway.

[exactaplayer]

How is that by now you guys just don't "get it?"

Seriously, it's not that hard to understand. I know you don't need it spelled out....Bochall....jballscalls....do you really need me to explain it again?

OK. Here we go....

a) The left labeled GWB a murderer because of the "innocents" killed in Iraq and Afghanistan during his term in office.

b) The right, and folks like Tom, are now doing the same to Obama, because Obama has followed the same Bush policies of using drones and killing innocent folks in Afghanistan.

There. Simple enough, right fellas?

Folks like Tom have been educated by those on the left during the eight years Bush was being villified and labeled a killer by those on the left. And now Tom is simply using those skills taught to him by those on the left here in off-topic and applying such skills towards Obama now that Obama is calling the shots.

Thus ends today's lesson.
I just cannot recall anyone calling Bush a pos, prick or murderer. The only name that i remember is rutabaga. Some of the others being used here may have been used but i don't recall them.

[Show Me the Wire]

teacher teacher.

in my post you'll see that i wrote "bush was not a murderer' and obviously i'm a lefty compared to many on this board, you especially.

when you say "the left" and "The right" your generalizing too much. In my above post I hinted that it was wrong when people called bush a murderer for war related deaths, and it's wrong for tom to do it now.

two wrongs don't make a right. You say he's been educated by people on the left the last eight years, wouldn't he have learned from their mistakes and ignorance and be more mature about it and be a 'bigger man'? he always calls left people "dims" wouldnt he be being just as dim by acting like them?

can't wait for tomorrow's lesson!

Two wrongs do not make a right. Really, this is about hypocrisy. Tom is highlighting the hypocrisy of the progressives. If you are against the war and you leveled accusations at Bush, you should be doing the same toward Obama. Obama has not kept his promise to pull out the troops, and is following the same unacceptable policies as Bush, and even expanding the Afghan war into Pakistan.

So Tom and I wonder where is the continuing out cry against these unacceptable war policies from the progressives.

The lesson is about credibility, principles, and hypocrisy not about two wrongs making a right. That should clarify why the posts are made and the appropriateness of them.

The other lesson is you destroy a culture by making them hold to their values(expose their hypocrisy). That is a lesson taught by Alinsky.

Summing up, it is not a personal attack on Obama, but an exposition on hypocrisy.

[Tom]

Unlike Bush, OBbama has stated that the combatants have legal rights. They have the right to be mirandized. That is not happening, as he is killing them and innocent bystanders without the due process of law he himself has demanded they be granted.

I personally have no problem killing anyone we need to over there, but I have a problem with a lying SOS claiming to be superior to Bush by being a "man of law" and then going out and doing EXACTLY the same thing. And NO, JB, this is no longer a war. Obama said so, but Bush did not. Read my links.

Bush was not a murderer, he was Commander in Chief. Obama is a murderer because he is denying them thier civil rights that he granted them. Very simple.

[mostpost]

Unlike Bush, OBbama has stated that the combatants have legal rights. They have the right to be mirandized. That is not happening, as he is killing them and innocent bystanders without the due process of law he himself has demanded they be granted.

I personally have no problem killing anyone we need to over there, but I have a problem with a lying SOS claiming to be superior to Bush by being a "man of law" and then going out and doing EXACTLY the same thing. And NO, JB, this is no longer a war. Obama said so, but Bush did not. Read my links.

Bush was not a murderer, he was Commander in Chief. Obama is a murderer because he is denying them thier civil rights that he granted them. Very simple.
You obviously don't understand the difference between a combatant and a prisoner. Or you pretend you don't understand it so you can post your nonsense. When a person is a combatant in a military situation he is a candidate to be killed or neutralized in some way. That is the duty and the right of the combatants on the other side. Given the circumstances and methods of modern warfare, it is an unfortunate truth that innocent persons may be harmed.
If a combatant is captured during hostilities, his designation changes. He becomes a prisoner. He is then entitled to the protections agreed to in the Geneva Conventions and in International treaties.
Even in domestic criminal matters the police are permitted to use deadly force if the they feel they are in danger or if they feel there is a danger to the public. But once a suspect is in custody and no longer a danger, they must treat him in accordance with the law.

[bigmack]

If a combatant is captured during hostilities, his designation changes. He becomes a prisoner. He is then entitled to the protections agreed to in the Geneva Conventions and in International treaties.
Spread the word. Doesn't look like everyone read your pamphlet.

http://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/images/nick-berg.jpg

[mostpost]

Spread the word. Doesn't look like everyone read your pamphlet.

http://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/images/nick-berg.jpg
We are not Al Qaeda. We are not the Taliban. Although apparently you would like us to be.

[bigmack]

Although apparently you would like us to be.
Is this where I say, nu-uh? How did you make that assumption?

[mostpost]

Is this where I say, nu-uh? How did you make that assumption?
You post a pictue of a bunch of Al Qaeda/Taliban types surrounding a prisoner and say "Spread the word. Doesn't look like everyone read your pamphlet" I take that to mean you think that we should act like they do.
You ignore the fact that we are fighting them because of the way they act.

[newtothegame]

You post a pictue of a bunch of Al Qaeda/Taliban types surrounding a prisoner and say "Spread the word. Doesn't look like everyone read your pamphlet" I take that to mean you think that we should act like they do.
You ignore the fact that we are fighting them because of the way they act.

Wait!!! I am confused. Is it my understanding now that you are saying "we are fighting them because of the way they act"...in referrence to a picture of "Al Qaeda/Taliban types" getting ready to execute some poor soul? So now its the libs version of the war in the middle east that its over human rights??? What happened to the reasons of OIL and money for cronies of the bush administration? Remember Haliburton??
Or was that just in Iraq? Afganistan is about human rights and Iraq was about money?
So war for human rights is ok? And gee, I could of swore somewhere Bush said that the "dictator" of Iraq needed to go because of pursuit of WMD and the atrocities that he had committed against his own people (human rights).
Help me to understand the lib side mosty because this seems to contradict what was being said while Bush was in office....:bang:

[NJ Stinks]

Wait!!! I am confused. Is it my understanding now that you are saying "we are fighting them because of the way they act"...in referrence to a picture of "Al Qaeda/Taliban types" getting ready to execute some poor soul? So now its the libs version of the war in the middle east that its over human rights??? What happened to the reasons of OIL and money for cronies of the bush administration? Remember Haliburton??
Or was that just in Iraq? Afganistan is about human rights and Iraq was about money?
So war for human rights is ok? And gee, I could of swore somewhere Bush said that the "dictator" of Iraq needed to go because of pursuit of WMD and the atrocities that he had committed against his own people (human rights).
Help me to understand the lib side mosty because this seems to contradict what was being said while Bush was in office....:bang:

You can't understand the lib side with those blinkers on, Newtothegame. You need an equipment change! :lol:

[newtothegame]

You can't understand the lib side with those blinkers on, Newtothegame. You need an equipment change! :lol:

So you would suggest some rosey colored sparkly blinkers so that I too may see Utopia??? lol

or, would some nice front and Back wraps be nice additions to stay out of the B.S Obama and his administration are trying to sell?

[Tom]

So mostie, your point is that Obama only grants right so to prisoners, not to innocent civilians? We can kill them all we want to?

[mostpost]

Wait!!! I am confused. Is it my understanding now that you are saying "we are fighting them because of the way they act"...in referrence to a picture of "Al Qaeda/Taliban types" getting ready to execute some poor soul? So now its the libs version of the war in the middle east that its over human rights??? What happened to the reasons of OIL and money for cronies of the bush administration? Remember Haliburton??
Or was that just in Iraq? Afganistan is about human rights and Iraq was about money?
So war for human rights is ok? And gee, I could of swore somewhere Bush said that the "dictator" of Iraq needed to go because of pursuit of WMD and the atrocities that he had committed against his own people (human rights).
Help me to understand the lib side mosty because this seems to contradict what was being said while Bush was in office....:bang:
You are making a mistake if you put all liberals in one bag. I seldom agree with what 46 posts on religion. ( I don't agree with Boxcar either) I agree with a lot of the liberals here on basics, but I might disagree on aspects and solutions. Let me state my philosophy on the war on terror.

We went to Afgahanistan, because the people who attacked the WTC and the Pentagon came from there, were trained there, and took refuge there. Our purpose was to find them, punish them, kill them, destroy them. The people who attacked us on 9-11 were Al Qaeda. The Taliban were their allies.
The Taliban were the government of Afghanistan. In order to effectively combat Al Qaeda, it was necessary to have an Afghan government with which we could work. This is why we allied ourselves with the Northern Alliance.
Up to that point, Bush had my support. We were successful in Afghanistan. We had Bin Laden trapped at Bora Bora. The last troops were poised to seal the trap. They were orderd not to.
Bush decided to go after Saddam Hussein. Was this because Saddam had tried to assassinate his father? Was it because of oil? Probably both. Much has been written about how George and Barbara Bush were cold parents, how they showed little affection towards their children. Much has been written about how desperately Geoge W. curried favor with his father. As for the oil, administration officials such as Paul Wolfowitz and Douglas Feith claimed that the oil we got from Iraq would pay for the war by itself. (They sure were wrong about that!)
So we went into Iraq, where there were no Weapons of Mass Destruction, where there was no Al Qaeda, where there was no connection to 9-11. We did so, either for personal revenge or for greed; or for both.
By doing so we lost focus and allowed the situation in Afghanistan to deteriorate.

So now its the libs version of the war in the middle east that its over human rights??? What happened to the reasons of OIL and money for cronies of the bush administration? Remember Haliburton??
You're asking the wrong question. The War ought to have been about finding, capturing, punishing, killing those responsible for the attacks of 9-11. Providing improved human rights for citizens of the area would have been a noble, but not vital, benefit. Using the war to line the pockets of friends and contributors was an ignoble course of action.

[mostpost]

So mostie, your point is that Obama only grants right so to prisoners, not to innocent civilians? We can kill them all we want to?
You miss the point; entirely. Prisoners are people over whom we have control. Enemy combatants and the civilians who are intertwined with them are not under our control. It is very sad that innocent people must die, but it is a fact of war.
Barack Obama did not extend Constitutional guarantees to everyone in the world. He extended SOME them to SOME PRISONERS which are under our control.

[Tom]

OK, so you support murdering people that have not been tried and convicted in a court.

[Show Me the Wire]

You see jbcalls, it is all about hypocrisy. The same war is now a war for human rights. When Bush was president the war was about oil (see hcap and sec), about American imperialism, profiteering by American companies, etc which led to the killing of innocent civilians.

Even with a major shift in policy expanding the war into Pakistan by Obama, resulting in the murder of innocent civilians, the progresive left now condones the war. Blantant hypocrisy.

[newtothegame]

You see jbcalls, it is all about hypocrisy. The same war is now a war for human rights. When Bush was president the war was about oil (see hcap and sec), about American imperialism, profiteering by American companies, etc which led to the killing of innocent civilians.

Even with a major shift in policy expanding the war into Pakistan by Obama, resulting in the murder of innocent civilians, the progresive left now condones the war. Blantant hypocrisy.

My thoughts exactly:ThmbUp: :ThmbUp: