View Full Version : DRF: THE MOST EXPENSIVE PAPER??
NY BRED
10-10-2009, 06:01 AM
SATURDAY SIMULCAST EDITION IN NYC NOW PRICED AT 7.00!!!
CLEARLY OUT OF CONTROL...
timtam
10-10-2009, 07:31 AM
I know the weekend edition has just been raised to $7 and that my
OTB is getting less and less copies. The old guys remark how it used to
be 50 cents and when it went up to 75 cents there was an outrage.
There is a lot of information but its so hard to manipulate even for a
young guy like me (59). Tracks stop and start in the middle of sections
and a few times I'd lose the info on 5 horses in a race because it was
in the next section. Once in a while I would get a copy just for old times
sake but not anymore. Another dinasour unfortunately.
Their on-line products are vastly overpriced as well.
Most expensive PPs on the net and the ones with the least information.
Bochall
10-10-2009, 10:38 AM
SATURDAY SIMULCAST EDITION IN NYC NOW PRICED AT 7.00!!!
CLEARLY OUT OF CONTROL... It has been that price in Lafayette, Louisiana for a few years now (actually $7.15). Distribution is scarce as well...only reliable place to find it is at EvD which is 35mins away. The only newsstand in town is closed and gas stations only get a few copies and they sell quickly....shame. I have abandoned DRF pp's altogether.
Canarsie
10-10-2009, 12:01 PM
Their on-line products are vastly overpriced as well.
Most expensive PPs on the net and the ones with the least information.
Just picked up my copy and got three extra tracks for a buck plus fifteen pages of extra drivel. :lol:
No Hawthorne though :ThmbDown:
46zilzal
10-10-2009, 02:36 PM
Even when I first bought the DRF in 1965, it was the most expensive daily newspaper in North America. So what else is new?
Canarsie
10-10-2009, 02:50 PM
A buck for printed DRF?
Sorry Tom it's those dam percocets. :bang:
I meant an extra buck thanks for the correction :ThmbUp:
Sorry Tom it's those dam percocets. :bang:
I meant an extra buck thanks for the correction :ThmbUp:
I thought you had a cousin is distribution! :lol:
Good luck today.
I agree the cost is expensive. Additionally, if you are handicapping with basically the same information as everyone else, you really have your work cut out to make a profit.
Jim
garyoz
10-10-2009, 06:43 PM
Based upon a survey I took from the DRF I think they are going to link the ticketmaker into an ADW. (I'm not touting just reporting) They are trying to find value-added services for the online service. They have high fixed costs with reporters, columnists, etc. It gets to be difficult to justify buying their products when I get two other PP's for free. You can use Beyer numbers as a bet against since the public overuse them. I have not had much success with the trainer database--but that could be me.
ogredad
10-11-2009, 08:25 PM
One day I walked into the liquor store [I play Penn] It was NOT listed in the old style newspaper edition BUT was in the new magazine type edition.
The mag is smaller and has a slick cover. The trainer stats as well as the trainer/jocky combos are NOT listed. Neither are the Beyers. They switched to [I believe] Equibase speed and pace figures.
How many of you guys have a problem with this? I was disappointed for those reasons as well as the fact that it's harder to make notations on [too small - not enough free space. It did have the Expert Selectors listed on eace race page, which was nice [but I tend to ignore them]
Any chance the DRF paper will ever disappear? I Do NOT want to handicap from a PC screen!
Thanx.
Bob
PS If you like the 3 Stooges look closely at my avatar.
timtam
10-12-2009, 07:59 PM
Are you sure your not talking about the Daily Racing Program?
That has the smaller feature with the slick magazine type cover. It covers
all the tracks and even includes a pull out for Woodbine and some other
tracks. Someone maybe ( Equabase ) recently bought it so it isn't associated
with the Daily Racing Form hence no Beyers. The price on the Daily Racing
Program recently went up as well. I think is $4or 5 away from the track
but $3 at the OTB.
ogredad
10-12-2009, 08:43 PM
Are you sure your not talking about the Daily Racing Program?
That has the smaller feature with the slick magazine type cover. It covers
all the tracks and even includes a pull out for Woodbine and some other
tracks. Someone maybe ( Equabase ) recently bought it so it isn't associated
with the Daily Racing Form hence no Beyers. The price on the Daily Racing
Program recently went up as well. I think is $4or 5 away from the track
but $3 at the OTB.
Thanx pal. That's it. I didn't know it was a separate entity. Yea, $5.00 and I only play one track for the most part.
Do you think the Equibase figures are more accurate than the Beyers?
How about the pace numbers? Thanx for your reply.
Bob
rokitman
10-12-2009, 09:32 PM
SATURDAY SIMULCAST EDITION IN NYC NOW PRICED AT 7.00!!!
CLEARLY OUT OF CONTROL...
There's price and then there's value.
That makes it overpriced by about 700%
Run Nicholas Run
10-12-2009, 09:58 PM
the best thing I ever did was stop using the racing form
and just learned to what type of horses win
(posts, ml odds, riders ). I do much better without it. :cool: :jump:
Bochall
10-12-2009, 11:17 PM
I have recently switched to brisnet pp's but cannot find a key to explain all their symbols and ratings. For instance, what is the base number/rating for Clm10k? Quirin style use 100 as the base and Beyer uses 80. All their pace figs and late pace numbers would mean more if I knew what some class pars were. Any help???
Somewhere in the archives, there is a formula to convert BRIS to Beyer and vice versa.
miesque
10-13-2009, 08:10 AM
I have recently switched to brisnet pp's but cannot find a key to explain all their symbols and ratings. For instance, what is the base number/rating for Clm10k? Quirin style use 100 as the base and Beyer uses 80. All their pace figs and late pace numbers would mean more if I knew what some class pars were. Any help???
I don't know whether you have seen this or not, but the following link is to the 12 page BRIS Explanation for the Ultimate PPs w/Comments. If you have not already read it, I hope this is helpful .
http://www.brisnet.com/library/uwc.pdf
46zilzal
10-13-2009, 01:21 PM
the best thing I ever did was stop using the racing form
and just learned to what type of horses win
(posts, ml odds, riders ). I do much better without it. :cool: :jump:
Shhhhhh.. it will get out and we will have to compete against those NO longer mesmerized via paralysis by overanalysis.
Lots of people are winning using it, zilly, no matter what nonsense you keep telling yourself. They are already in the same pools as you, and many of usare glad YOU are in them! :lol: Sartin pegged you - a one ball juggler!
46zilzal
10-13-2009, 02:37 PM
Lots of people are winning using it, zilly, no matter what nonsense you keep telling yourself. They are already in the same pools as you, and many of usare glad YOU are in them! :lol: Sartin pegged you - a one ball juggler!
Howard Sartin only wrote about me once and it was not in the negative
Bochall
10-13-2009, 02:45 PM
Zilzal and Tom, you guys need to hug it out or something. Is there a 'hug font' or hug emoticon?;)
NY BRED
10-18-2009, 08:36 PM
Here's the interesting issue with the Form:
On Mondays and Tueday the size of the published issue is about
20% of the Simulcast edition published on Saturday.Why not decrease the
6.00 price to 5.00 based on less paper which I'd think would
not only be fair, but logical.
But then again, Handicapping horses s/b logical but
rarely is fair:bang:
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