Jockeys - Mike Smith's reaction to Chantal Sutherland after the derby

[menifee]

That show Jockeys is pretty lame, especially the fake race calls and planned calls with agents to see if the jockey got the mount. However, it has been a nice way to introduce my family to the sport and it personalizes the track a little more for nonfans. So I am glad that they have the show.

In any event, the season finale was pretty funny. Just watch the last five minutes. Early in the show Chantal Sutherland learns that Borel got the ride on Mine that Bird over her. She is purportedly crushed and complains that the owner lied to her. She calls Mike Smith and seeks consolation and he tells her she will get one next year. Now, Chantal Sutherland is a good jockey, but if you could choose Borel or Sutherland at Churchill, I think even Sutherland knows that you take Borel blindfolded over Chantal

In the last five minutes, they show the Derby and have a camera on Chantal during the race. She watches Mine that Bird come up the rail and her reaction (and Emma Jane Wilson's) is priceless. She calls Mike Smith right after the race and says something to the effect of "Baby, I would have won the Derby." Mike Smith's reaction is so disinterested - it is great. Text comes up that says Mike and Chantal are no longer dating. Pretty entertaining stuff.

[Market Mover]

That show Jockeys is pretty lame, especially the fake race calls and planned calls with agents to see if the jockey got the mount. However, it has been a nice way to introduce my family to the sport and it personalizes the track a little more for nonfans. So I am glad that they have the show.

In any event, the season finale was pretty funny. Just watch the last five minutes. Early in the show Chantal Sutherland learns that Borel got the ride on Mine that Bird over her. She is purportedly crushed and complains that the owner lied to her. She calls Mike Smith and seeks consolation and he tells her she will get one next year. Now, Chantal Sutherland is a good jockey, but if you could choose Borel or Sutherland at Churchill, I think even Sutherland knows that you take Borel blindfolded over Chantal

In the last five minutes, they show the Derby and have a camera on Chantal during the race. She watches Mine that Bird come up the rail and her reaction (and Emma Jane Wilson's) is priceless. She calls Mike Smith right after the race and says something to the effect of "Baby, I would have won the Derby." Mike Smith's reaction is so disinterested - it is great. Text comes up that says Mike and Chantal are no longer dating. Pretty entertaining stuff.


I'm willing to bet that only a handful of jocks could have given MTB that once-in-a-lifetime ride that Derby day....and although she strikes at a good rate on Woodbine polycrap...none of her rides this far have led be to believe that she is capable of doing what Calvin did...

[Imriledup]

As soon as Chantal said "i would have won the Derby" i just laughed and thought wow, she's awful confident in herself to think that she would have been able to duplicate one of the greatest big time rides in history to win.

[WinterTriangle]

She watches Mine that Bird come up the rail and her reaction (and Emma Jane Wilson's) is priceless. She calls Mike Smith right after the race and says something to the effect of "Baby, I would have won the Derby." Mike Smith's reaction is so disinterested - it is great. Text comes up that says Mike and Chantal are no longer dating. Pretty entertaining stuff.

I believe she said "could have".

What's so "great" about having a relationship with somebody who is disinterested, or doesn't support, your potential?

I had one like that once. :)

(I can't say that later on, it didn't give me a little bit of satisfaction when my career took a good turn, and I was out-earning him by 3-1. :) (in the same corporation!) LOL I would have been responsible for writing his review at one point, too, but since everyone knew we were once a couple, they got another member of management to do it. (I would have been completely unbiased and fair, though.....and that is true. We are still good friends 15 years later.....))

[v j stauffer]

I'm willing to bet that only a handful of jocks could have given MTB that once-in-a-lifetime ride that Derby day....and although she strikes at a good rate on Woodbine polycrap...none of her rides this far have led be to believe that she is capable of doing what Calvin did...

Had MTB gone wide he would have won by less but he still would have won. It was a good ride nothing more. Any of the other riders in the race would have won the race on MTB who was waaay the best horse.

[the little guy]

Had MTB gone wide he would have won by less but he still would have won. It was a good ride nothing more. Any of the other riders in the race would have won the race on MTB who was waaay the best horse.


Not exactly. All the other riders probably would have run the race IF they had also taken the horse back to last. IMO that's a pretty big IF.

[joanied]

For the most part...I liked the show and hope they come back next year...sans the fake race calls and ridicuouls information, like the show when they highlighted the Pamplemousse and said he was clocked in the morning going 50mph:lol: :bang:

I think Mike showed the support he could within the confines of the jocks room... he couldn't show any favoritism to Chantal in there...it's dog eat dog and he had to play the game...
but, when she said she could have won the Derby on MTB, I had to laugh...no way, girl...IMO, once the gates opened she would have been so intimidated, MTB would have had no shot at all...no way was she gonna put in a ride like Calvin's...in fact, I'm not sure any of them could have...but for sure, not her.

I thought the last 5 minutes or so of the final episode was really done well...no voice over, good music and it really gave the casual viewer a feel for what the Derby is.
I thought it was a very good closing.

That Mike & Chantal are no longer dtaing...no surprise there.

[castaway01]

Not exactly. All the other riders probably would have run the race IF they had also taken the horse back to last. IMO that's a pretty big IF.

And of course the topic here being Chantal, if she or any other rider doesn't believe they would have won the Derby on that horse, they why are they in the business? You have to have a great deal of confidence or you can't be a professional.

[Imriledup]

Had MTB gone wide he would have won by less but he still would have won. It was a good ride nothing more. Any of the other riders in the race would have won the race on MTB who was waaay the best horse.

I think that this horse doesnt' win with anyone else riding.

MTB was not a deep closer for these other jocks, Calvin was able to take him back to last and that was why he had such a furious kick. Plus, no other rider would have even known to go up the rail, this horse does not win if he's going very wide around over a dozen horses on the far turn. Going wide in a 10 horse field is different from going wide vs 18 rivals. He would have just lost too much ground vs the grain of an inside bias.

[jonnielu]

I think that this horse doesnt' win with anyone else riding.

MTB was not a deep closer for these other jocks, Calvin was able to take him back to last and that was why he had such a furious kick. Plus, no other rider would have even known to go up the rail, this horse does not win if he's going very wide around over a dozen horses on the far turn. Going wide in a 10 horse field is different from going wide vs 18 rivals. He would have just lost too much ground vs the grain of an inside bias.

Well... Mike Smith certainly doesn't have a clue on how to win a race on him.

jdl

[menifee]

I believe she said "could have".

What's so "great" about having a relationship with somebody who is disinterested, or doesn't support, your potential?

I had one like that once. :)

(I can't say that later on, it didn't give me a little bit of satisfaction when my career took a good turn, and I was out-earning him by 3-1. :) (in the same corporation!) LOL I would have been responsible for writing his review at one point, too, but since everyone knew we were once a couple, they got another member of management to do it. (I would have been completely unbiased and fair, though.....and that is true. We are still good friends 15 years later.....))

It was great because it was entertaining, not because it was fair how Smith treated her The whole show (perhaps I'm wrong because you really can't trust these shows because of editing) was sad because it seemed that she was so desperate for his attention and love and he would not give it to her. The show potrayed him as an empty, souless person and her as incredibly insecure.

Obviously, they are making money from doing this show, but what a heavy price to pay. They are not the only jockeys who I think have been hurt by the show. Iggy Puglisi came across as non-confident. Nakatani appeared to be a head case. Are these guys so desperate for money, that they need this? Court came across as over the hill. I'll tell you one thing. If I was a trainer or owner, I wouldn't put any of these people on my horse. The one jockey that did come of well was Kayla Starr. She does not take sh*t from anybody. I hope she gets some decent mounts.

[Imriledup]

Well... Mike Smith certainly doesn't have a clue on how to win a race on him.

jdl


Exactly. And last we checked, Mike is > to chantal in the riding dept.

[cj]

Not exactly. All the other riders probably would have run the race IF they had also taken the horse back to last. IMO that's a pretty big IF.

Not just last, but way, way, way last.

[toetoe]

I'm willing to bet that only a handful of jocks could have given MTB that once-in-a-lifetime ride that Derby day

Conspicuously absent from that handful is the great ( :rolleyes: ) Mike Smith.

[toetoe]

later on ... I was out-earning him by 3-1. :) (in the same corporation!)

An open-and-shut case of discrimination against a member of the male minority, no doubt.

Happy schadenfreude. :ThmbUp: .

[toetoe]

Exactly. And last we checked, Mike is > to chantal in the riding dept.

Can't agree there. I'll cross gender lines and cast my vote for CSuth.

[David-LV]

For the most part...I liked the show and hope they come back next year...sans the fake race calls and ridicuouls information, like the show when they highlighted the Pamplemousse and said he was clocked in the morning going 50mph:lol: :bang:

I think Mike showed the support he could within the confines of the jocks room... he couldn't show any favoritism to Chantal in there...it's dog eat dog and he had to play the game...
but, when she said she could have won the Derby on MTB, I had to laugh...no way, girl...IMO, once the gates opened she would have been so intimidated, MTB would have had no shot at all...no way was she gonna put in a ride like Calvin's...in fact, I'm not sure any of them could have...but for sure, not her.

I thought the last 5 minutes or so of the final episode was really done well...no voice over, good music and it really gave the casual viewer a feel for what the Derby is.
I thought it was a very good closing.

That Mike & Chantal are no longer dating...no surprise there.

There once was a news conference where a reporter asked one of the greatest riders of all times Eddie Arcaro, " how important is the jockey in a horse race."

Eddie Arcaro answer was "I Never Won a Race Without a Horse."

Chantal is a top notch jockey and I am sure she or any other jockey on MTB on derby day would have had the same result as MTB was just spectacular that day.

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David-LV

[Imriledup]

Can't agree there. I'll cross gender lines and cast my vote for CSuth.

As the better rider? Mike Smith is riding world class horses, Sutherland is riding in canada and seldom gets a mount in an important race.

[David-LV]

As the better rider? Mike Smith is riding world class horses, Sutherland is riding in canada and seldom gets a mount in an important race.

She is the second leading rider at WO with earnings of over $4,000,000
for 2009. She has plenty of business at WO and is at the top of her game right now.

She just started riding in 2000 and has ridden in and has won quite a few stake races including winning the 2008 Grey Stakes for 2 yr olds aboard MTB.

Below I have listed some of her wins.

Major Racing Wins Bull Page Stakes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bull_Page_Stakes) (2002)
La Lorgnette Stakes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Lorgnette_Stakes) (2002)
Seagram Cup Stakes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seagram_Cup_Stakes) (2002)
Star Shoot Stakes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Shoot_Stakes) (2003)
Tom Fool Handicap (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Fool_Handicap) (2005)
Ashley T. Cole Handicap (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashley_T._Cole_Handicap) (2006)
Miami Mile Handicap (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_Mile_Handicap) (2006)
Irish O'Brien Stakes (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Irish_O%27Brien_Stakes&action=edit&redlink=1) (2008)
Wonder Where Stakes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonder_Where_Stakes) (2008)
Silver Deputy Stakes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Deputy_Stakes) (2008)
Duchess Stakes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duchess_Stakes) (2008)
With Approval Stakes (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=With_Approval_Stakes&action=edit&redlink=1) (2008)
Swynford Stakes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swynford_Stakes) (2008)
Mazarine Stakes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazarine_Stakes) (2008)
Grey Stakes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_Stakes) (2008)
Generous Stakes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generous_Stakes) (2008)
Eclipse Stakes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eclipse_Stakes_%28Canada%29) (2009)
Algoma Stakes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algoma_Stakes) (2009)

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David-LV

[WinterTriangle]

An open-and-shut case of discrimination against a member of the male minority, no doubt.

Happy schadenfreude. :ThmbUp: .

toetoe, you had to be there. :) For the years of insults about my "supposed potential". No discriminination, as job category was completely different, I think it's fair to get higher pay for higher level work.


I so like Kayla Sta, she's tough as nails. Hope she gets on with her career. She hasn't embarrassed herself on the show..........yet.

Jockeys is really just a soap opera, with a tiny ittle bit documentary thrown in. I enjoyed seeing a re-run of the Derby.

I eshew People Magazine and the like, so watching Jockeys is like a rare absurd treat for me.

[Imriledup]

She is the second leading rider at WO with earnings of over $4,000,000
for 2009. She has plenty of business at WO and is at the top of her game right now.

She just started riding in 2000 and has ridden in and has won quite a few stake races including winning the 2008 Grey Stakes for 2 yr olds aboard MTB.

Below I have listed some of her wins.

Major Racing Wins Bull Page Stakes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bull_Page_Stakes) (2002)
La Lorgnette Stakes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Lorgnette_Stakes) (2002)
Seagram Cup Stakes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seagram_Cup_Stakes) (2002)
Star Shoot Stakes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Shoot_Stakes) (2003)
Tom Fool Handicap (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Fool_Handicap) (2005)
Ashley T. Cole Handicap (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashley_T._Cole_Handicap) (2006)
Miami Mile Handicap (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_Mile_Handicap) (2006)
Irish O'Brien Stakes (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Irish_O%27Brien_Stakes&action=edit&redlink=1) (2008)
Wonder Where Stakes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonder_Where_Stakes) (2008)
Silver Deputy Stakes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Deputy_Stakes) (2008)
Duchess Stakes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duchess_Stakes) (2008)
With Approval Stakes (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=With_Approval_Stakes&action=edit&redlink=1) (2008)
Swynford Stakes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swynford_Stakes) (2008)
Mazarine Stakes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazarine_Stakes) (2008)
Grey Stakes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_Stakes) (2008)
Generous Stakes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generous_Stakes) (2008)
Eclipse Stakes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eclipse_Stakes_%28Canada%29) (2009)
Algoma Stakes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algoma_Stakes) (2009)

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David-LV

Do Canadian stakes races count as real stakes races? What i mean is that she's not winning the Canadian stakes races where North American's best riders show up for. She's winning the Grey Stakes vs Ontario riders, she's not beating Bejarano, Gomez, etc.

[Niko]

Not exactly. All the other riders probably would have run the race IF they had also taken the horse back to last. IMO that's a pretty big IF.

If I remember correctly they said they wanted to be off the pace but not that far back-not even close to that far back. A little bump out of the gate helped out quite a bit.

A bump in the beginning and an open rail all the way made it seem as the whole thing was scripted it unfolded so perfectly (and before some fan wants to jump on that comment I'm not even close to suggesting it was actually scripted). A great ride but a little luck never hurts.

[pandy]

I haven't watched the show, but one thing I can say about Sutherland, I have done very well betting her at Woodbine, especially when she is first time on a horse. She is a very good turf and AW track rider from off the pace.

[David-LV]

Do Canadian stakes races count as real stakes races? What i mean is that she's not winning the Canadian stakes races where North American's best riders show up for. She's winning the Grey Stakes vs Ontario riders, she's not beating Bejarano, Gomez, etc.

Just to update you:

Tom Fool Handicap is run at BEL
Ashley T. Cole Handicap is run at BEL
Miami Mile Handicap is run at CRC
Irish O' Brian Stakes is run at SA
Generous Stakes is run at HOL

To answer your question do Canadian Stake races count as real stake races?
Absolutely.

Let me ask you a question now:

Do you consider most of the horses running at SA, HOL, & DMR these days stake horses?

Chantal can ride with the best of them and living in LV I can't even get a bet down at WO.

She has won five races in one day at least twice that I know of.

She is a top notch rider especially on the turf and still getting better.

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David-LV

[Imriledup]

[QUOTE=David-LV]Just to update you:

Tom Fool Handicap is run at BEL
Ashley T. Cole Handicap is run at BEL
Miami Mile Handicap is run at CRC
Irish O' Brian Stakes is run at SA
Generous Stakes is run at HOL

To answer your question do Canadian Stake races count as real stake races?
Absolutely.

Let me ask you a question now:

Do you consider most of the horses running at SA, HOL, & DMR these days stake horses?

Chantal can ride with the best of them and living in LV I can't even get a bet down at WO.

She has won five races in one day at least twice that I know of.

She is a top notch rider especially on the turf and still getting better.


I'm not saying she's not a good rider, but to say she's equal or better than Mike Smith is kind of a stretch.

I'm not criticizing the horseflesh in canada, i'm sure its as strong as it is anywhere, but the riding colony is no where near as talented as the top riders at Santa Anita or Belmont. She's not consistently outriding great riders in graded races.

if you think that the 2nd thru 5th leading riders in canada are as good as the elite riders in So Cal or the NYRA circuit than yes, you'll think she's just as good as her Ex BF.

[senortout]

[QUOTE=David-LV]Just to update you:

Tom Fool Handicap is run at BEL
Ashley T. Cole Handicap is run at BEL
Miami Mile Handicap is run at CRC
Irish O' Brian Stakes is run at SA
Generous Stakes is run at HOL

To answer your question do Canadian Stake races count as real stake races?
Absolutely.

Let me ask you a question now:

Do you consider most of the horses running at SA, HOL, & DMR these days stake horses?

Chantal can ride with the best of them and living in LV I can't even get a bet down at WO.

She has won five races in one day at least twice that I know of.

She is a top notch rider especially on the turf and still getting better.


I'm not saying she's not a good rider, but to say she's equal or better than Mike Smith is kind of a stretch.

I'm not criticizing the horseflesh in canada, i'm sure its as strong as it is anywhere, but the riding colony is no where near as talented as the top riders at Santa Anita or Belmont. She's not consistently outriding great riders in graded races.

if you think that the 2nd thru 5th leading riders in canada are as good as the elite riders in So Cal or the NYRA circuit than yes, you'll think she's just as good as her Ex BF.

The top riders in the Woodbine colony could hold their own with anyone in North America. There would, of course, be a period of adjustment if indeed, they would enter the Major circuits in USA. But to say they are less able is absolutely ridiculous.

senortout

[lamboguy]

[QUOTE=Imriledup]

The top riders in the Woodbine colony could hold their own with anyone in North America. There would, of course, be a period of adjustment if indeed, they would enter the Major circuits in USA. But to say they are less able is absolutely ridiculous.

senortoutthere certainly are some pretty cagy agents at woodbine, they are tough as nails and know how to read condition books in their sleep!

[bisket]

i'm sorry but none of those pretty boy jocks from cali would have given mtb a ride llike that. they think thats way to dangerous out west.

[Imriledup]

i'm sorry but none of those pretty boy jocks from cali would have given mtb a ride llike that. they think thats way to dangerous out west.

Very few ride like that. Many NYRA riders wouldn't have been able to do that either.

[menifee]

In an act of ultimate irony - specifically geared at this board and Mike Smith, Chantal brings home a 7-1 shot in the Woodbine stakes feature tonight.

The horse's name: "You will love me"

[BM1947]

As the better rider? Mike Smith is riding world class horses, Sutherland is riding in canada and seldom gets a mount in an important race.



I hate to break the news to you but Chantal was MTB's jocky (in Canada) last year that led to him being named Canadian 2yr old of the year. I doubt that was by racing in insucnificiant races, as you say

[BM1947]

Oh and btw , Woodbine has the highest purses in North america and if I'm not mistaken she is 2nd in the jockey standings and missed the beggining of the meet while in Ca last yr

She must ride in only the 10k claimer races huh...makes sense to you huh????????

[Imriledup]

I hate to break the news to you but Chantal was MTB's jocky (in Canada) last year that led to him being named Canadian 2yr old of the year. I doubt that was by racing in insucnificiant races, as you say

The point i was trying to originally make was in response to someone who said Chantal is as good or better than Mike Smith.

People are trying to spin this to suggest that Canadian racing is somehow as good or better than racing in NY or Calif and the riders are as good as NY or Calif riders. Maybe Emile Ramsammy is as good as Rafael Bejarano, Garrett Gomez, Dominguez and Desormeaux.

[WinterTriangle]

Mike Smith not a brilliant rider, I guess I never developed a big interest in him. Age difference, too , chantal hasn't ridden as long. Her first race was year 2000. Mike's was when he was 11 years old.

Chantal shows a ton of finesse, bringing in the longshots against the Cali boys. At this point in her career, she's accomplished a lot.

BTW, ever tasted Smith's private label wine?— Jinetes.