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Stevie Belmont
10-01-2009, 09:32 AM
It’s fall again in New Jersey, and that can mean one thing. The Meadowlands Thoroughbred meet is back. Starting on Thursday, October 2, the Meadowlands will kick off its 2009 fall meet. As a native New Jerseyan I have always considered both Monmouth Park and The Meadowlands my home track, but considering I only live a few miles away from the Meadowlands, it is truly my home track. It is where I have honed my handicapping skills over the years, made life-long friends, and learned some of the intricacies of the game by people in the game, trainers, horsepeople and bettors. In this post I will give a quick glimpse of the meet, and something I have wanted to do for a while, list my top 10 Meadowlands moments. (Moments I have witnessed at the Meadowlands either live, or via simulcast)

The one thing I can tell you about the Meadowlands is this, speed does well, and since I can remember, it always has been a speed-favoring strip. A new dirt surface was put down a few years ago, but if anything, it actually enhanced the speed bias. Speaking to a couple trainers, they believe that during the afternoons, the track plays a bit fairer, but at night it seems to be more speed favoring. You have to pay attention to the bias as the day or nights goes on and try to detect it, if there is in fact a bias. (Brad Thomas will discuss this during the live simulcast stream during his mid-race report card.) Sloppy tracks, this speed bias holds up well and the inside seems to be the place to be.

Jason Servis has been the man over the past few years. He will be aiming for his 4th training title at the Meadowlands this meet. He should once again have another successful meet.

The Meadowlands meet is a reasonably short meet. It will run through December 5, 2009. It may not be Saratoga or Keeneland, but it is a meet a lot of trainers do point for. It is certainly one of my favorite meets, for various reasons.

The Proximity of the Meadowlands to New York, and other states such as Pennsylvania, Delaware and Maryland offer the opportunity for many trainers to make the trip over if they see a spot that suits their horse. Over the past few years shippers have done well. New York trainers in particular often take advantage of the proximity of the Meadowlands. The beauty of all the shippers promise a lot of full fields. New York jocks will often ride at the Meadowlands as well in the evenings, after the day is complete in New York. **For more on the Meadowlands Thoroughbred meet, click the link below**

88 HORSES ENTERED FOR THURSDAY OPENER AT THE BIG M (http://www.horseraceinsider.com/blog.php/Press-Release/article/88-horses-entered-for-thursday-opener-at-the-big-m/)

My top Meadowlands Memories


Real Quiet wins the 1998 Kentucky Derby | I placed a $10 win bet on Real Quiet. It was my first ever bet on the Kentucky Derby and it was a winner! That’s the one race that I can say started it all. I really became a true racing fan after that. I was already familiar with racing and remember watching the Derby on ABC several times. I remember Easy Goer winning the Belmont Stakes, but this was the first time I actually went there to bet a horse in the Derby. While listening to a sports radio talk show the night before, a caller had stated that Bob Baffert’s Silver Charm ran 2nd in the Santa Anita Derby last year, before going on to win the Kentucky Derby. He said Real Quiet had ran 2nd as well this year, and thought he might be better then Indian Charlie. I said, well that sounds good enough for me. (Simulcast)
Say Florida Sandy wins the Paterson Stakes on September 7,2001 | One of favorite horses of all-time wins the Paterson Stakes at the Meadowlands. I was there and could not wait to see my favorite horse run, and win. My camera broke and I was disappointed, but I had a plan. I went to the track photographer and purchased the winning photo. (Hangs on my wall) I paid for it with money from the win bet. The joy was shattered only 4 days later with the horrible events of 9/11. (Live)
Smarty Jones wins the 2004 Kentucky Derby | I was on this guy from the very beginning. This horse had speed to burn. I knew he was the best 3-year-old by a mile very early on. When an opportunity came to get an early bet on him in pool 3 of Kentucky Derby wagering, I jumped at the opportunity. I placed a $100 win bet on him. Derby day came, and I was at my usual spot watching on a big screen TV. He took the lead at the top of the stretch and surged home, in one of the most thrilling wins at the track I have ever had. It was awesome to see a horse I followed from very early go on to win the Kentucky Derby. That stretch run was still the longest stretch run I have seen, I just kept saying to myself “where is the wire?” Yes! finally. He did it! The was cause for a celebration that evening. (Simulcast)
Smarty Jones glides home with ease in the 2003 Penn Nursery in 1:22 flat! | In one of the best performances I have ever seen by a 2-year-old. I knew as soon as I saw it, we were looking at future champion. It was simply a brilliant effort. I have since yet to see a 2-year-old that has impressed me as much as he did that day. (Simulcast)
Hi It’s Me scores in his debut in 2005| A 2-year-old New Jersey bred making his first career start for Jason Servis in Race 1 of the evening. A son of Songandaprayer. There were no tips with this horse, in fact he was not even the favorite, but seeing this horse in the paddock, I saw all I needed to know. He was as calm as the flag on the moon and looked super. I really loved the way he was physically. I was confident he would run well first out, and he did. He won at 6/1 and filled in the first half of a nice daily double. Charmsil a filly won the next leg on the turf. He is the horse in the picture on the home page , the one in the lead with the big white blaze (Live)
Go Go Shoot scores in his debut in 2007 | At the time he was trained by Jimmy Ryerson—another first time starter who looked every bit the part in the paddock. The great looking gray/roan son of Songandaprayer stood out in the paddock like few horses I have seen in the past. He looked absolutely stunning—relaxed, calm, and alert. He was looking around. I like that. He was breaking from post 1, which is not always the best spot for a 1st time starter, but it did not deter me. A good one can win from anywhere. I backed him, and he delivered in a gate to wire effort, not only did he win; he did it impressively indicating this one had a very bright future. He is showing that now. (Live)
Cat Thief and Budroyale complete huge 1999 BC Classic exacta | I had a bunch of tickets for the Classic. With one minute to post and the horses hovering around the starting gate, I wanted to get one more bet in. I scooted to a betting machine and punched up an exacta ticket. Cat Thief was a horse I had backed all year to no avail. My buddy loved to play California tracks and a horse we both had success with was good ole Budroyale. I decided to use the both of them for a dollar in an exacta box. What the heck I said. Bang Zoom! They ran 1-2 and completed a exacta of $1.209! I had half of it. I was with some people, and one said if you have that triple, you’ll need a wheelbarrow to get it out. Never forget that funny comment or hitting that exacta. (Simulcast)
Tap Day wins the 2005 Meadowlands Cup | Tap Day was an honest horse who had been running against some quality horses throughout the summer. He kept getting bad trips and luck just what not on his side. Finally he met a field I knew he could handle. He found trouble yet again, blocked behind horses on the far turn, but got through and won. I backed him quiet well and was rewarded with a nice win. (Live)
Live Doppler wins at 50 something to 1! | A masterpiece of handicapping resulted in a great score. It was a few years ago. Live Doppler was a filly running in lower level claiming races at Philadelphia Park, who had just raced few days or so prior at Philadelphia Park on dirt. She popped up at The Meadowlands only few days later and was trying the turf for the first time and moved up in class few notches. I noticed the move up in class and the very short rest, and seeing she was trying the turf for the 1st time, it peaked my interest a great deal. I liked her actually, so I made a $5 dollar win play on her. I told my buddies I liked her. I would give her a shot. The ones who listened were rewarded with a $100 plus winner. That was a great night. (Live)
Gander wins the 2001 Meadowlands Cup | Gander was a front runner, and knowing how the Meadowlands plays, thought he had every opportunity to win. Gander had been against some classy horses throughout his career, this seemed like the night to nail him down. He delivered going gate to wire and made my evening. It seemed everyone that was around me that night had him as well. (Live)
It was hard to put these in a top 10 type list, so I just listed them with no numbers.

Norm
10-01-2009, 09:52 AM
Good assessment of the Meadowlands. It's a handicapper-friendly track if ever there was one. :ThmbUp:

castaway01
10-01-2009, 09:55 AM
Nice post Stevie (perhaps you should be Stevie Meadowlands). As long as the turf course holds up and the weather stays decent, the racing should be good. I think the schedule going away from the six-day race week they had to use last year will help with field sizes too. Your advice was sound---speed and high-percentage trainers rule the dirt, though it can be hard to get decent prices on them.

Back in the 1990s, spending evenings at pre-makeover Philadelphia Park betting on Meadowlands and Penn National, I never had much luck with the "Big M". Maybe I'll revisit it this year.

illinoisbred
10-01-2009, 10:09 AM
Enjoyable and informative read-thanks.

Java Gold@TFT
10-01-2009, 11:01 AM
Not trying to trump any of your memories Stevie but my first visit to the Meadowlands was in 1984. I drove from Albany, NY to Belmont for JCGC day to watch Slew O' Gold win. A great day of racing even before it turned into the current BC Showcase day. I left Belmont right after the feature and drove to the Meadowlands. It took 2 hours to drive about 20 miles. When I walked into the place I wondered what was going on with all of the neon and flash. I was used to Saratoga, Aqueduct and Belmont with none of the hoopla that would come with a casino experience. Anyway, I was there for one reason. It was John Henry's last race and I needed to see the old man race before he retired (I was 21 at the time so didn't have many chances to see him before that on my own.) The whole day was great. Now I wsh there were digital cameras at the time. My old pictures are garbage but I have the memories of watching John Hentry win the Ballantine's under the lights in his last race. Still it was a long day. I think I left home at 9AM and got home at 3Am on sunday. I haven't been back many other times but still have fond memories of that first trip.

enjoy your meet this year.

netbet
10-01-2009, 11:12 AM
Stevie,

I liked your post.....brings back plenty of memories for me as well.
I only bet the Big M when they race at night so it looks like I will be wagering on them Thurs-Sat for most of the meet.

Netbet

cj
10-01-2009, 11:15 AM
I have two at the Big M I will never forget. First was Broad Brush taking the Meadowlands Cup over Skip Trial when it was a huge race.

Second was John Henry winning the Ballantine's Scotch Classic over Who's for Dinner and I believe Win.

castaway01
10-01-2009, 01:54 PM
Stevie,

I liked your post.....brings back plenty of memories for me as well.
I only bet the Big M when they race at night so it looks like I will be wagering on them Thurs-Sat for most of the meet.

Netbet

Just a note for people where the day/night thing is an issue, the 1st through the 9th of October is all day racing because of Springsteen concerts that are closing the big stadium and the resulting parking issues (what a very "Jersey" situation, and I don't say in a negative way because Bruce will draw 10 times the crowd of the track, but still...). After that it's Monday and Tuesday day racing (by design, as the track feels they'll be the top simulcast signal on those days and it will increase handle) and Thursday, Friday, and Saturday evenings.

Java Gold@TFT
10-01-2009, 02:03 PM
Stevie, almost forgot to ask - no great memories of the annual Grey Ghost Stakes? It's always my favorite picture of the year to see 13 greys/roans leaving the gate together around Halloween.

Tom
10-01-2009, 02:05 PM
I love Meadowlands.....wish it ran longer.
I prefer night racing anyway.

firstoffclaim
10-01-2009, 02:12 PM
Dr Patches stunned the immortal Seattle Slew in the Paterson

Stevie Belmont
10-01-2009, 02:34 PM
Yes I do. A few years ago there was a thick fog. As the horses broke out of the gate, you could see them, but with the fog, and it being Halloween, it was a little surreal. A thick fog and a gate full of gray horses. It was a perfect backdrop. That is sight I won't forget.

Stevie, almost forgot to ask - no great memories of the annual Grey Ghost Stakes? It's always my favorite picture of the year to see 13 greys/roans leaving the gate together around Halloween.

Stevie Belmont
10-01-2009, 02:37 PM
That's why they are day cards? That pisses me off. I work on Friday, and will be at Belmont Saturday. I guess I won't get over there till next Saturday afternoon. That sucks though.



Just a note for people where the day/night thing is an issue, the 1st through the 9th of October is all day racing because of Springsteen concerts that are closing the big stadium and the resulting parking issues (what a very "Jersey" situation, and I don't say in a negative way because Bruce will draw 10 times the crowd of the track, but still...). After that it's Monday and Tuesday day racing (by design, as the track feels they'll be the top simulcast signal on those days and it will increase handle) and Thursday, Friday, and Saturday evenings.

trying2win
10-01-2009, 03:43 PM
To Stevie and other PA members:

Please delete some of your old PM messages. I keep getting error messages that your 'PM box is full' and I can't send any more PM's to discuss horse racing issues etc, (and probably other PA members feel likewise) until you get the delete button working in that section. I think the grand total alloted by PACE ADVANTAGE in the PM section is 100 overall counting the INBOX AND SENT PM messages.

Thanks for your help.


T2W

Tom
10-03-2009, 05:54 PM
What's with all the day racing?
That sucks. Run at night.

Did they think their card in any way compared to other racing this afternoon?
I'm halfway through tonight's card and then I see it has already been run! :mad:
:ThmbDown::ThmbDown::ThmbDown:

BillW
10-03-2009, 06:07 PM
I'm halfway through tonight's card and then I see it has already been run! :mad:
:ThmbDown::ThmbDown::ThmbDown:

Shoulda been easier to handicap that way :lol: :lol:

Tom
10-03-2009, 08:51 PM
Shoulda been easier to handicap that way :lol: :lol:

Yeah, I hit 20% that way! :blush:

onefast99
10-04-2009, 04:23 PM
What's with all the day racing?
That sucks. Run at night.

Did they think their card in any way compared to other racing this afternoon?
I'm halfway through tonight's card and then I see it has already been run! :mad:
:ThmbDown::ThmbDown::ThmbDown:
As mentioned earlier the NJSEA did this due to the Springsteen concerts, once the Boss is done Thurs thru Saturday is run under the lights. BTW the jocks have said that the turf course is in excellent condition hopefully it stays that way throughout the meet.

alhattab
10-04-2009, 07:43 PM
Remember all the huge races they used to have there- several G1s if I can recall including the Young America? Like Stevie I used to live about 20 minutes away it The Meadowlands was the track where I cut my teeth, mainly on harness races but there were a few good t'bred memories too. The best was probably going on Election Day 1984 (I was 14), on which they ran a day-night doubleheader (I'm serious- could you imagine this today). We got rides from our parents providing some ridiculous lie, and we had a teller that was sympathetic to our cause. Later in life, when I was 16-20, The Meadowlands was close enough for us to go for the first few before the "library" closed, or for the first few Mth simulcasts before starting work at 3 over the summer. Remember when you had to run back-and-forth to bet? The simulcast area was on the Southwest side of the standee level if I recall (also betting AC at night over there was fun although highly unprofitable).

I always thought the night racing made The Meadowlands a good place to toss favorites in big races, especially the hot NY horses coming over. Slew as previously mentioned was a good one, getting beaten by Dr. Patches. I believe that Ogygian was also beaten there at something like 2/5. It doesn't happen nearly as much anymore of course.

My favorite personal memory though was somewhat more recent- KJs Appeal winning the Meadowlands Cup at 15-1 or something. I also vividly recall watching simulcasts from Monmouth- must've been 1988 or so, seeing a horse called Sister Dot almost fall over after clipping heels on the turf course, then rallying incredibly to win. She was owned by Due Process and later was the dam of Dehere.

Agree Stevie great memories, both T'bred and harness. Let's hope we can keep them going!

thespaah
10-04-2009, 11:16 PM
It’s fall again in New Jersey, and that can mean one thing. The Meadowlands Thoroughbred meet is back. Starting on Thursday, October 2, the Meadowlands will kick off its 2009 fall meet. As a native New Jerseyan I have always considered both Monmouth Park and The Meadowlands my home track, but considering I only live a few miles away from the Meadowlands, it is truly my home track. It is where I have honed my handicapping skills over the years, made life-long friends, and learned some of the intricacies of the game by people in the game, trainers, horsepeople and bettors. In this post I will give a quick glimpse of the meet, and something I have wanted to do for a while, list my top 10 Meadowlands moments. (Moments I have witnessed at the Meadowlands either live, or via simulcast)

The one thing I can tell you about the Meadowlands is this, speed does well, and since I can remember, it always has been a speed-favoring strip. A new dirt surface was put down a few years ago, but if anything, it actually enhanced the speed bias. Speaking to a couple trainers, they believe that during the afternoons, the track plays a bit fairer, but at night it seems to be more speed favoring. You have to pay attention to the bias as the day or nights goes on and try to detect it, if there is in fact a bias. (Brad Thomas will discuss this during the live simulcast stream during his mid-race report card.) Sloppy tracks, this speed bias holds up well and the inside seems to be the place to be.

Jason Servis has been the man over the past few years. He will be aiming for his 4th training title at the Meadowlands this meet. He should once again have another successful meet.

The Meadowlands meet is a reasonably short meet. It will run through December 5, 2009. It may not be Saratoga or Keeneland, but it is a meet a lot of trainers do point for. It is certainly one of my favorite meets, for various reasons.

The Proximity of the Meadowlands to New York, and other states such as Pennsylvania, Delaware and Maryland offer the opportunity for many trainers to make the trip over if they see a spot that suits their horse. Over the past few years shippers have done well. New York trainers in particular often take advantage of the proximity of the Meadowlands. The beauty of all the shippers promise a lot of full fields. New York jocks will often ride at the Meadowlands as well in the evenings, after the day is complete in New York. **For more on the Meadowlands Thoroughbred meet, click the link below**

88 HORSES ENTERED FOR THURSDAY OPENER AT THE BIG M (http://www.horseraceinsider.com/blog.php/Press-Release/article/88-horses-entered-for-thursday-opener-at-the-big-m/)

My top Meadowlands Memories

Real Quiet wins the 1998 Kentucky Derby | I placed a $10 win bet on Real Quiet. It was my first ever bet on the Kentucky Derby and it was a winner! That’s the one race that I can say started it all. I really became a true racing fan after that. I was already familiar with racing and remember watching the Derby on ABC several times. I remember Easy Goer winning the Belmont Stakes, but this was the first time I actually went there to bet a horse in the Derby. While listening to a sports radio talk show the night before, a caller had stated that Bob Baffert’s Silver Charm ran 2nd in the Santa Anita Derby last year, before going on to win the Kentucky Derby. He said Real Quiet had ran 2nd as well this year, and thought he might be better then Indian Charlie. I said, well that sounds good enough for me. (Simulcast)
Say Florida Sandy wins the Paterson Stakes on September 7,2001 | One of favorite horses of all-time wins the Paterson Stakes at the Meadowlands. I was there and could not wait to see my favorite horse run, and win. My camera broke and I was disappointed, but I had a plan. I went to the track photographer and purchased the winning photo. (Hangs on my wall) I paid for it with money from the win bet. The joy was shattered only 4 days later with the horrible events of 9/11. (Live)
Smarty Jones wins the 2004 Kentucky Derby | I was on this guy from the very beginning. This horse had speed to burn. I knew he was the best 3-year-old by a mile very early on. When an opportunity came to get an early bet on him in pool 3 of Kentucky Derby wagering, I jumped at the opportunity. I placed a $100 win bet on him. Derby day came, and I was at my usual spot watching on a big screen TV. He took the lead at the top of the stretch and surged home, in one of the most thrilling wins at the track I have ever had. It was awesome to see a horse I followed from very early go on to win the Kentucky Derby. That stretch run was still the longest stretch run I have seen, I just kept saying to myself “where is the wire?” Yes! finally. He did it! The was cause for a celebration that evening. (Simulcast)
Smarty Jones glides home with ease in the 2003 Penn Nursery in 1:22 flat! | In one of the best performances I have ever seen by a 2-year-old. I knew as soon as I saw it, we were looking at future champion. It was simply a brilliant effort. I have since yet to see a 2-year-old that has impressed me as much as he did that day. (Simulcast)
Hi It’s Me scores in his debut in 2005| A 2-year-old New Jersey bred making his first career start for Jason Servis in Race 1 of the evening. A son of Songandaprayer. There were no tips with this horse, in fact he was not even the favorite, but seeing this horse in the paddock, I saw all I needed to know. He was as calm as the flag on the moon and looked super. I really loved the way he was physically. I was confident he would run well first out, and he did. He won at 6/1 and filled in the first half of a nice daily double. Charmsil a filly won the next leg on the turf. He is the horse in the picture on the home page , the one in the lead with the big white blaze (Live)
Go Go Shoot scores in his debut in 2007 | At the time he was trained by Jimmy Ryerson—another first time starter who looked every bit the part in the paddock. The great looking gray/roan son of Songandaprayer stood out in the paddock like few horses I have seen in the past. He looked absolutely stunning—relaxed, calm, and alert. He was looking around. I like that. He was breaking from post 1, which is not always the best spot for a 1st time starter, but it did not deter me. A good one can win from anywhere. I backed him, and he delivered in a gate to wire effort, not only did he win; he did it impressively indicating this one had a very bright future. He is showing that now. (Live)
Cat Thief and Budroyale complete huge 1999 BC Classic exacta | I had a bunch of tickets for the Classic. With one minute to post and the horses hovering around the starting gate, I wanted to get one more bet in. I scooted to a betting machine and punched up an exacta ticket. Cat Thief was a horse I had backed all year to no avail. My buddy loved to play California tracks and a horse we both had success with was good ole Budroyale. I decided to use the both of them for a dollar in an exacta box. What the heck I said. Bang Zoom! They ran 1-2 and completed a exacta of $1.209! I had half of it. I was with some people, and one said if you have that triple, you’ll need a wheelbarrow to get it out. Never forget that funny comment or hitting that exacta. (Simulcast)
Tap Day wins the 2005 Meadowlands Cup | Tap Day was an honest horse who had been running against some quality horses throughout the summer. He kept getting bad trips and luck just what not on his side. Finally he met a field I knew he could handle. He found trouble yet again, blocked behind horses on the far turn, but got through and won. I backed him quiet well and was rewarded with a nice win. (Live)
Live Doppler wins at 50 something to 1! | A masterpiece of handicapping resulted in a great score. It was a few years ago. Live Doppler was a filly running in lower level claiming races at Philadelphia Park, who had just raced few days or so prior at Philadelphia Park on dirt. She popped up at The Meadowlands only few days later and was trying the turf for the first time and moved up in class few notches. I noticed the move up in class and the very short rest, and seeing she was trying the turf for the 1st time, it peaked my interest a great deal. I liked her actually, so I made a $5 dollar win play on her. I told my buddies I liked her. I would give her a shot. The ones who listened were rewarded with a $100 plus winner. That was a great night. (Live)
Gander wins the 2001 Meadowlands Cup | Gander was a front runner, and knowing how the Meadowlands plays, thought he had every opportunity to win. Gander had been against some classy horses throughout his career, this seemed like the night to nail him down. He delivered going gate to wire and made my evening. It seemed everyone that was around me that night had him as well. (Live)
It was hard to put these in a top 10 type list, so I just listed them with no numbers.
I was there opening night for the first T-Bred meet.
Saw many top stars get beat. Seattle Slew was the biggest.
Saw John Henry win there, As well as Alysheba.

Run Nicholas Run
10-05-2009, 09:34 PM
Even though I live in central nevada now
I try to get back to visit the family during the fall
and take in the meadowlands t-breds.

Always liked watching races down at the gazebo
and hearing the riders screaming at each other especially
Nicky Santagata(all time meadowlands leading rider) yelling
open the "fu$%ing rail. :cool:

Recall back in the late 70's and early 80's the meadowlands
raced all the stakes on thursday nights.

Market Mover
10-06-2009, 01:47 AM
Even though I live in central nevada now
I try to get back to visit the family during the fall
and take in the meadowlands t-breds.

Always liked watching races down at the gazebo
and hearing the riders screaming at each other especially
Nicky Santagata(all time meadowlands leading rider) yelling
open the "fu$%ing rail. :cool:

Recall back in the late 70's and early 80's the meadowlands
raced all the stakes on thursday nights.




Who are longshot jocks to watch at this M1 meet? Can someone dare say Jacqueline Davis? I saw her outride Channing Hill in a few and thinks she may often be left out of the exotics..

peakpros
10-06-2009, 07:27 AM
Dr Patches stunned the immortal Seattle Slew in the Paterson

I was there as a young fan. I think I cried.

peakpros
10-06-2009, 07:33 AM
I was there opening night.

It was so crowded we couldn't get in thru the entrances.

A large group of us walked around near the Pegasus entrance and knocked down a tall chain fence onto a hill of dirt and climbed over it to get in.

No way we were missing the double!

Doc
10-06-2009, 11:13 AM
No matter how you slice and dice it, there's nothing glamorous or memorable about The Swamp. :ThmbDown:

Run Nicholas Run
10-06-2009, 03:31 PM
Who are longshot jocks to watch at this M1 meet? Can someone dare say Jacqueline Davis? I saw her outride Channing Hill in a few and thinks she may often be left out of the exotics..


frankensteins daughter kept that horse going
last week in the race your referring to.
The track did carry her though as that race there was 6 horses across the track turning for home and she held sway all through the stretch.

As for longshot jocks you can use jackie d,
but the other bugs like serpa and moya also, and dont
forget pablo fragoso.

After all these years felix ortiz, luis rivera and navin mangalee still SUCK.

castaway01
10-06-2009, 05:10 PM
No matter how you slice and dice it, there's nothing glamorous or memorable about The Swamp. :ThmbDown:

Doc, c'mon. you're a good guy, but there have been some great races at the Meadowlands over the years...

nijinski
10-06-2009, 07:16 PM
Spectacular Bid ran there too.

thespaah
10-06-2009, 07:42 PM
I was there opening night.

It was so crowded we couldn't get in thru the entrances.

A large group of us walked around near the Pegasus entrance and knocked down a tall chain fence onto a hill of dirt and climbed over it to get in.

No way we were missing the double!Post time back them was 8pm..We got there at 6.30 and it was crowded.

thespaah
10-06-2009, 07:43 PM
No matter how you slice and dice it, there's nothing glamorous or memorable about The Swamp. :ThmbDown:Of course you are entitled to your opinion.

Doc
10-07-2009, 11:29 AM
No denying there were some great races there. But The Big M has never been one of my favorite tracks. The turf races there are still pretty good, though.