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Dave Schwartz
09-22-2009, 11:17 PM
We are changing the direction of our company, moving more towards being a "wagering" company than a "software" company.
To that end, we are raising the price of our handicapping software program, HSH. Effective October 1st, 2009, the price will become $1,199.
On November 1st the price will become $2,399.
Effective immediately we will accept no more rentals or leases. The existing rental and lease clients may continue to do so indefintely. Their leases/rentals may not be transferred.
Regards,
Dave Schwartz
CBedo
09-23-2009, 01:38 AM
Dave, a somewhat unrelated question. With your experience in the software business, have you found that the higher the price of your products, the less support you have to provide (maybe people are more committed?)?
Just wondering.
Dave Schwartz
09-23-2009, 10:19 AM
No, I have not found that. Support is not the issue. Commitment, however, is.
The high-end player comes to this game as a business man, intending to create a profit-generating endeavor.
While some lower-end players do the same thing, the majority do not. Most are serious recreational players.
The high-end player has been supporting us for years with custom work, consulting, etc.
The economy is taking its toll. We've simply decided that it makes more sense for us to go in this direction.
On a related note, I received an email from a user several versions back who has not used the software in several years. He was concerned that his rights to a current HSH install were in jeapordy. They are not. We will continue to honor our commitment to ALL exisiting users/owners of HSH without additional cost.
The only exception to that will be rental or lease customers who, at some time, cease paying on their agreement.
Dave
banacek
09-23-2009, 12:24 PM
We are changing the direction of our company, moving more towards being a "wagering" company than a "software" company.
dave, what exactly does "wagering company" mean?
CBedo
09-23-2009, 12:40 PM
No, I have not found that. Support is not the issue. Commitment, however, is.
The high-end player comes to this game as a business man, intending to create a profit-generating endeavor.
While some lower-end players do the same thing, the majority do not. Most are serious recreational players.
The high-end player has been supporting us for years with custom work, consulting, etc.
The economy is taking its toll. We've simply decided that it makes more sense for us to go in this direction.
On a related note, I received an email from a user several versions back who has not used the software in several years. He was concerned that his rights to a current HSH install were in jeapordy. They are not. We will continue to honor our commitment to ALL exisiting users/owners of HSH without additional cost.
The only exception to that will be rental or lease customers who, at some time, cease paying on their agreement.
DaveThanks Dave. I have a friend who has a network security software business and we were talking yesterday about how selling product for $1000 versus selling for $15,000 was requiring much more support at the lowe end, and I was just intellectually curious if this was something in general, or specific to his product and marketing.
pktruckdriver
09-23-2009, 02:51 PM
dave, what exactly does "wagering company" mean?
Dave I too am curious about this, could you elaborate , please?
I can say this about HSH, as many know I had the program and Dave's CS and support was top notch, he was always there, maybe a bit grumpy towards me after a year or so, but he was always there, and I mean always , and at first he was even very gracious to me, still civil too I guess, and to be honest I always thought his program was worth more, but who was I to tell him that.
Thisis from someone who was not quite able to figure HSH out completely, but trust me when I say this it was not because Dave and the fellow users of HSH did not tryto help me,no sir, they tried and tried and tried, and I got alot of it, just not all of it, but what did you expect from an uneducated truck driver, trying to master a top notch horseracing software program, by 2 finger pecking at the keypad,yet I almost got it, then the economy forced me out, and I felt let dave and myself down because I said publicly I would never give up until I learned it, but had to, was forced to finacially, and found something more economically as the data downloads were concerned, but even that has been put on hold now, but if the economy didn't smack me upside the head I may still be at HSH,and I could promise Dave would still be helping me, grudingly maybe,but he wouldnot abandon me, nor would the other users, they never did, that is my two sense on this.
Good luck Dave
And good luck to anyone willing to get HSH, my 1 advice to you, be more educated than I was, and most likely you'll have no problem
patrick
Dave Schwartz
09-23-2009, 03:05 PM
Simply put, it means we are concentrating on wagering - producing profit from our wagering efforts more so than from selling software.
We will still continue to offer the same level of support to our customers. Perhaps even more so, as we share some of what has allowed us to make this decision.
Dave
baldvin
09-23-2009, 03:37 PM
We are changing the direction of our company, moving more towards being a "wagering" company than a "software" company.
To that end, we are raising the price of our handicapping software program, HSH. Effective October 1st, 2009, the price will become $1,199.
On November 1st the price will become $2,399.
Regards,
Dave SchwartzWOW! More expensive than gold!!! WOW!
Dave Schwartz
09-23-2009, 04:26 PM
Not for a pound...
banacek
09-23-2009, 04:41 PM
So does this change of course mean that the writing pursuits you have mentioned in the last year or so - the Basics of Winning collaboration and the Fred Davis update - are no longer on the radar?
If so, I am disappointed, as I was looking forward to them. There really is a dearth of new quality handicapping material out there. But I certainly wish you success in your change in focus.
Dave Schwartz
09-23-2009, 06:36 PM
Banacek,
No, doesn't mean that at all. In fact, I am really trying to get a new website going that is not about software.
Dave
banacek
09-23-2009, 06:43 PM
Banacek,
No, doesn't mean that at all. In fact, I am really trying to get a new website going that is not about software.
Dave
Sounds good!
Sly7449
09-23-2009, 07:17 PM
Dave,
Are you referring to this Website or yet another one?
http://schwartz-reports.com/handicapping/about/
Space Monkey
09-23-2009, 07:36 PM
Simply put, it means we are concentrating on wagering - producing profit from our wagering efforts more so than from selling software.
That was what I always thought you were doing anyway. You almost had me at $599, but that would have meant a commitment that I wasn't ready to make. $599 is a lot to me, never mind the price you'll be asking soon. To compare your business to an auto dealership, I guess you're closing your Chevy branch and just keeping the Mercedes one open. I'm disappointed, not bitter, and I wish you well.
keenang
09-23-2009, 07:39 PM
Dave:
Are you going to become one of the "Whales" we ofton hear you talk about?
Geno :)
Dave Schwartz
09-23-2009, 08:59 PM
Keenang,
That has been the effort for the past several years - with some degree of succes - but nothing compared to where we want to be.
Sly,
How did you find that? Yes, that would be the under-development part.
Dave
Dave Schwartz
09-23-2009, 09:08 PM
Space Monkey,
As a PA member who consistently makes intelligent posts I would welcome you as a client.
Send me an email or PM me with your contact information so that I may make a note of your interest (and identity). When you are ready to make the leap, we'll find a way to put the software within reach.
Regards,
Dave Schwartz
proximity
09-25-2009, 01:29 AM
will you be still be producing the horsestreet pars book?
Dave Schwartz
09-25-2009, 02:03 AM
Of course! It is business as usual except when it comes to software.
raybo
09-25-2009, 07:12 AM
Sly,
How did you find that? Yes, that would be the under-development part.
Dave
Uhhhh ..... how about Googling: Dave Swartz handicapping
:)
First_Place
10-19-2009, 10:36 PM
Where are the same folks that expressed outrage and criticism over Michael Pizzolla's 'overpriced' Black Magic program? Hmmm?
Well...I'm waiting...where are you, ye hypocrites?
IMO, the anti-Pizzolla bias that exists on this forum goes beyond any software pricing.
FP
Dave Schwartz
10-19-2009, 11:21 PM
Just for the record, the way this pricing works is this:
1. User buys the software for $599.
2. In year 2 he begins paying $50 per month for the next 3 years.
$2,399 over 4 years.
PaceAdvantage
10-19-2009, 11:53 PM
IMO, the anti-Pizzolla bias that exists on this forum goes beyond any software pricing.
FPAre there any forums out there with a pro-Pizzolla bias (other than Pizzolla's own website of course) so that I can compare and see for myself if you are telling the truth?
ranchwest
10-20-2009, 01:15 AM
Are there any forums out there with a pro-Pizzolla bias (other than Pizzolla's own website of course) so that I can compare and see for myself if you are telling the truth?
I understand where you're coming from, but he didn't say anything about other forums. There is some mystery to where he's coming from, though.
turfbar
10-20-2009, 10:16 AM
I understand where you're coming from, but he didn't say anything about other forums. There is some mystery to where he's coming from, though.
TOUCHE !
permenbg
10-20-2009, 11:22 AM
how good is this program?(horseStreet.com). i looked at some of there sales
data on win%. i guess that good . i know of others that claim about the same . i have been handicapping for a long time amd have been keeping my head above the water , with pen and paper. was hopping i would find something that my computer could help me do my handicapping. I tried Black Magic ,not worth the price to me. another one that i know is good is All-Ways(data is high price) . How does the group feel about programs prices.
permenbg
Handiman
10-20-2009, 01:49 PM
While not in the league of Dave's, I believe the pricing on Handifast is somewhat fair.
And some players seem to think the results aren't too bad either.
Handi :)
GameTheory
10-20-2009, 01:58 PM
how good is this program?(horseStreet.com). i looked at some of there sales
data on win%. i guess that good . i know of others that claim about the same . i have been handicapping for a long time amd have been keeping my head above the water , with pen and paper. was hopping i would find something that my computer could help me do my handicapping. I tried Black Magic ,not worth the price to me. another one that i know is good is All-Ways(data is high price) . How does the group feel about programs prices.
permenbgI don't think it is possible to switch to one of the major league programs and keep "doing what you are doing". You have to learn to win using that program -- in a lot of ways you are starting from scratch. If you are already winning using pencil and paper, then I'd look at the more traditional options -- DRF or BRIS pps and datafiles -- maybe you can find ways to be more efficient using the newer technology, or get some custom programming done to automate parts of what you are doing already...
how good is this program?(horseStreet.com). i looked at some of there sales
data on win%. i guess that good . i know of others that claim about the same . i have been handicapping for a long time amd have been keeping my head above the water , with pen and paper. was hopping i would find something that my computer could help me do my handicapping. I tried Black Magic ,not worth the price to me. another one that i know is good is All-Ways(data is high price) . How does the group feel about programs prices.
permenbg
Check into HTR if you have not already.
I expect you would find it to be much closer to what you are used to now.
HSH would be a culture shock for you and as stated you would need to spend some time finding your way. I expect a lot of time.
I don't know what you were looking for in the way of help, but if velocity and various trainer/jockey/work info is what you want , I would go HTR first.
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