Early Pace Late Pace Figures from Fractions

[douglasw32]

Say you can not download the datafiles, your at the track with a program.

Any Quick and Dirty way (someone have a chart that can be printed)

That would convert Raw Fractions to Early and Late ?

Or do I have to buy a slide rule, lol ?

[Tom]

Pace makes the race...Total Pace figures, EP, LP, TP
You'll have to address shippers, but you can work around it.
I used, for sprints, 44.0 1.08 for sprints, then added or subtracted 6.2 for each half furlong. 44.0 = 100, 1.08 = 200, so a 45 - 111 = 95 - 185, and your LP is 90, 185-95. Quick and dirty, but effective.

To tale care of track to track, daily variant, etc, I use Drf SR and TV.
Add SR + TV + beaten lengths to get pace of race.

Say you have a 6 furlong race in 112 that the horse won. SR-TV is 85-17.
The 112 race is worth 102. You want to adjust a race run in 111, beaten by two, in 78-16. 78+16+4 - 98, so that 111 race is only worth 98, which means you adjust it to 4 ticks lower than the 112 race, or 111.4. If that 111 race had been 5.5 furlongs and run in 1.05, you would have added 6.2 to the 1.05 to make it 111.2, and then adjusted if by the 4 ticks, to make it 112.1.

All in your head - and good enough to use numbers because most people are not using them. Been doing this for years at the track, still do when I am there and looking at a race I have no CJ's or HTR printouts to use.
I know the SR-TV is a worthless number, I know you can't use it, I know it all...but rate a couple races for a horse and you will know if you have a bogus race and then just don't use it.

[douglasw32]

As usual Thanks !

[levinmpa]

I know the SR-TV is a worthless number, I know you can't use it, I know it all...but rate a couple races for a horse and you will know if you have a bogus race and then just don't use it.

If you're in a pinch, like the poster asked, I think the SR-TV can be used. I was always taught to figure out an average variant for a track and distance. If you're handicapping Laurel for example, look in the PPs for horses that raced at Laurel. Find 10 - 20 dates, write down the variant from each date, throw out the high and low, and average out the remainder. Your might come up with an 18, and you know this is about average. If you see a 12, a 6 point difference from the average would equal about 3 lengths fast, figuring 1 length for every 2 point difference. Same with a 24. Figure it at 3 lengths slow. You don't have to be precise, especially when you're looking for price plays and you need a quick and dirty method.

I agree with using the scale in Pace Makes the Race. I keep a hand written chart for all the distances in my wallet in case I ever forget.

[Tom]

"Use what you have." - Doc Sartin.

There is enough info i the form to get by.
For routes, I use 1.09 and 6.3 per half furlong.

[Red Knave]

"Use what you have." - Doc Sartin.
In the same vein, to paraphrase Jim Bradshaw, 'If you don't have everything you need, make sure you use everything you have'.

[Dave Schwartz]

I'd use "simulated pace." I actaully used it for a couple of years when I was playing full time.

It works like this... if a horse got an "89" speed rating and was 5 lengths back, then the winner must have run a 94. Therefore, they pace of race was a "94."

A horse that was 2 lengths back at the pace call gets a 92. A horse on the lead gets a 94, no matter what his actaul time was.


Simple, and reasonably effective.

[Big Bill]

Dave,

Is the speed rating you use in the sim pace the DRF speed rating, Quirin's speed ratings, Beyer's, etc. And if it is the DRF's to you add the TV to the SR?

Big Bill

[senortout]

I don't pick winners using speed figures, instead I use them to eliminate obvious losers. That's all they are good for.

senortout

[Dave Schwartz]

Bill,

Take your pick.

If it is a Beyer number, remember to convert it to a 1 pt = 1 len number.


Dave

[douglasw32]

ks Everyone exactly what I needed.