Some in this country are afflicted with a very debilitating disease

[PaceAdvantage]

It affects the mind to a huge degree, as evidenced by this quote from former president Jimmy Carter as he spoke about that "You Lie!" outburst during the Obama health care speech:

ATLANTA - Former President Jimmy Carter said Tuesday that U.S. Rep. Joe Wilson'shttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2.gif (http://#) outburst to President Barack Obama during a speech to Congress last week was an act "based on racism" and rooted in fears of a black president.

"I think it's based on racism," Carter said at a town hall held at his presidential center in Atlanta. "There is an inherent feeling among many in this country that an African-American should not be president."What Carter and many others in powerful positions (and not-so-powerful positions) are doing here is just so simply wrong, that any words I conjure up to convey how wrong I think it is won't do my feelings any justice.

Was it racism that was behind THIS outburst directed at another US President as he addressed a joint session of Congress?

RBxmEGG71PM

I hope one of the more enlightened left-leaners or other race-baiters can help explain this one to me...

[andymays]

Lonewolf Diaries: Keep Racism Alive!

http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/scrowder/2009/09/15/lonewolf-diaries-keep-racism-alive/

Excerpt:

The truth is that a vast majority of Americans are fully on board with a post-racial America. The only problem is that conservatives were the only ones to begin treating it as a reality. They continued standing for the same things that they always had (lower taxes, more power to the individual etc.), regardless of whomever was in office. The almost acted, dare I say it… Color blind.

Liberals, however, need ongoing racism to get votes. Racism MUST be alive for the Democratic party to succeed. After all, how can you promise people to fight an oppressive establishment if you’re the ones running it. Plus, it makes it harder to promise folks all of that awesome free stuff.

Realizing this, Democrats have decided to go on the extreme offensive. They’ve made the decision to create an atmosphere where any disagreement with the current president must undoubtedly contain some sort of “secret racial component.” Liberals don’t believe for a second that tea party protesters are a bunch of Robert Byrd-like Klansmen out there. No, the whole “race” card is a conscious/concerted effort to keep racism alive when it should have been put to rest a long time ago.

[jballscalls]

I agree PA, it's nauseating when everytime someone says or does something about Obama, the knee jerk reaction by the left is to say racism. I think it's almost an auto pilot response.

No doubt there are many who didn't vote for him because he's black. However, there are probably just as many who voted for him BECAUSE he is black. It goes both ways. Racism is alive in America and probably will always be to some degree, but to use it as an excuse all the time is ridiculous.

The only issue so far where i thought race was playing an issue with Obama so far was the speech to school kids. The outcry about that was so silly and strange, that it almost begged the question of racism. I mean every President has gone and talked to kids in schools about staying in school and working hard, I mean Bush and Clinton used to go read to the kids, no big deal, but what made this guy so different?. And that line about "what can you kids do for your president" and acting like he was trying to indocrinate kids, was so silly, i mean it really was. one speech by a guy is not going to indoctrinate kids, they don't have attention spans enough anymore to be indoctrinated LOL I just found the fact that the President talking to school kids about staying in school and working hard was pretty unobjectionable, so that one was definately strange.

anyways, i agree PA, it's amazing how the knee jerk reaction to racism is so prevelant with the new President.

[andymays]

12% Say Most Opponents of Obama Health Care Plan Are Racist - Rasmussen Reports
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/september_2009/12_say_most_opponents_of_obama_health_care_plan_ar e_racist

Excerpt:

Twelve percent (12%) of voters nationwide believe that most opponents of President Obama’s health care reform plan are racist. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 67% of voters disagree, and 21% are not sure.

In recent days, several Democrats have suggested that racism is a factor. The most prominent to make that accusation is former President Jimmy Carter.

Eighty-eight percent (88%) of Republicans reject the notion that most of the opponents are racist. So do 78% of voters not affiliated with either major party. However, just 39% of Democrats share that view. Twenty-two percent (22%) of those in the president’s party say that most of the opposition to his plan comes from racists, and another 39% are not sure.

[GaryG]

The only issue so far where i thought race was playing an issue with Obama so far was the speech to school kids. The outcry about that was so silly and strange, that it almost begged the question of racism. Jballs, you are the only liberal on this board whom I respect. Your posts are intelligent and lucid. I disagree on this one though. I think the reaction was to a president who has a socialist agenda and has been less than candid with us on many issues.

[andymays]

Jballs, you are the only liberal on this board whom I respect. Your posts are intelligent and lucid. I disagree on this one though. I think the reaction was to a president who has a socialist agenda and has been less than candid with us on many issues.


The problem with the school thing was because of the original lesson plan put forward by the Department of Education ahead of the speech. They altered it after the outcry but the damage was done.

[ArlJim78]

We all knew going in that in the age of Obama any doubters would be subject to having the race card played against them. What's so striking is how quickly they have had to go to DefCon 4, full on race baiting level. It's sickening and it will bite them in the ass, because we all know what happened to the boy who cried wolf once too often. People will simply tune it out, much like they're already doing with state-run media.

[andymays]

We all knew going in that in the age of Obama any doubters would be subject to having the race card played against them. What's so striking is how quickly they have had to go to DefCon 4, full on race baiting level. It's sickening and it will bite them in the ass, because we all know what happened to the boy who cried wolf once too often. People will simply tune it out, much like they're already doing with state-run media.


So far it's been Garofalo, Olbermann, Dowd, and Carter taking the lead on this crap. :ThmbDown:

[LottaKash]

Excerpt:

In recent days, several Democrats have suggested that racism is a factor. The most prominent to make that accusation is former President Jimmy Carter.

.

I wonder why a former president, keeps flying in and out of "all" the communist, socialist and dictatorial nations....And, with regularity, and an ongoingness...?

He schmoozes with a whole lotta creeps, these days....

best,

[46zilzal]

I wonder why a former president, keeps flying in and out of "all" the communist, socialist and dictatorial nations....And, with regularity, and an ongoingness...?

He schmoozes with a whole lotta creeps, these days....

best,
It is his Christian nature to be a man of peace and most haven't a clue how to do what comes to this man naturally.

A man of his beliefs too, he recently quit his church of many years over their close mindedness.

[Tom]

And he shoots his mouth off, insulting a majority of Americans, wiht zero fact to back him up. Like his presidency, he is without substance.

I look forward to celebrating his assumption of room temperature. He is and has always been a total failure.

[LottaKash]

It is his Christian nature to be a man of peace and most haven't a clue how to do what comes to this man naturally.

A man of his beliefs too, he recently quit his church of many years over their close mindedness.

Well, I guess that explains it....He is bringing them the "Word of God"....

That must be it....:jump: ...right ?

best,

[exactaplayer]

Here is my opinion, from the left.
The recent rallies etc. were not racially motivated. However, attending the events were many racially motivated individuals. Examples being the sign showing President Obama as a witch doctor and another sign stating "the Zoo has African Lions and the W.H. has a lying African. These were both racists I.M.H.O.

[boxcar]

I agree PA, it's nauseating when everytime someone says or does something about Obama, the knee jerk reaction by the left is to say racism. I think it's almost an auto pilot response.

No doubt there are many who didn't vote for him because he's black. However, there are probably just as many who voted for him BECAUSE he is black. It goes both ways. Racism is alive in America and probably will always be to some degree, but to use it as an excuse all the time is ridiculous.

Finally a small voice of reason from the other side! :ThmbUp: :ThmbUp:
When you are right, you're right (bad pun intended).

Let's assume for a moment that most of his white supporters honestly voted for him and currently still support him because of who he is -- because of his policies -- because of political ideology, then how is it that his white detractors can't honestly disagree with his policies and political views? For libs to maintain racism is the height of snobbism because they're saying they're smart enough to get it -- to understand the man -- to understand the direction he wants to take this nation, but his opponents are too stupid to understand this; therefore, their opposition must be grounded in racism.


The only issue so far where i thought race was playing an issue with Obama so far was the speech to school kids. The outcry about that was so silly and strange, that it almost begged the question of racism.

Again, very many us sense that this guy is a true-blue Marxist and because of this ideology, we don't want him near our kids. Further, he has lost all credibility with very many Americans due to all his lies. People object to someone of his low moral character "preaching" to our children. What we were were saying to him was, Mr. President get up on your bully pulpit and preach to us adults if you must because we have your number, but our kids are too young to understand and we don't want someone of your ilk within a football field reach of our kids. Too many adults find this guy way too creepy.


I mean every President has gone and talked to kids in schools about staying in school and working hard, I mean Bush and Clinton used to go read to the kids, no big deal, but what made this guy so different?. And that line about "what can you kids do for your president" and acting like he was trying to indocrinate kids, was so silly, i mean it really was.

Bush took tremendous amount of fallout when he did this. What made BO different? See above paragraph.

Boxcar

[boxcar]

It is his Christian nature to be a man of peace and most haven't a clue how to do what comes to this man naturally.

A man of his beliefs too, he recently quit his church of many years over their close mindedness.

Oh yeah...wasn't that the church of Hate White America and G-d America? It would have been a nice place to stay if it had even remotely resembled anything Christian. :rolleyes:

Boxcar

[mostpost]

It affects the mind to a huge degree, as evidenced by this quote from former president Jimmy Carter as he spoke about that "You Lie!" outburst during the Obama health care speech:

What Carter and many others in powerful positions (and not-so-powerful positions) are doing here is just so simply wrong, that any words I conjure up to convey how wrong I think it is won't do my feelings any justice.

Was it racism that was behind THIS outburst directed at another US President as he addressed a joint session of Congress?

RBxmEGG71PM

I hope one of the more enlightened left-leaners or other race-baiters can help explain this one to me...
There have been many instances of members of congress expressing disapproval of WHAT A PRESIDENT SAID, either by shouting "NO" or Booing or Murmuring. But never before has someone specifically called a President a liar from the floor of the House of Representatives during a joint session. Never before has there been a black President.
Rep. Wilson has supported flying the Confederate flag over the South Carolina Capitol. Rep. Wilson criticized making public the fact that Strom Thurmand fathered a child with a Black woman. Joe Wilson called President Obama and Mrs. Obama "Uppity". Some of the people at the rallies object to Obama because he is a Muslim. (He's not.) That is a code word for black.
People at the rallies talk about taking "Their" country back, as if Obama is an interloper, a usurper. He is not. He was ELECTED. yOU LOST. We won.

[Track Collector]

12% Say Most Opponents of Obama Health Care Plan Are Racist - Rasmussen Reports
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/september_2009/12_say_most_opponents_of_obama_health_care_plan_ar e_racist

Excerpt:

Twelve percent (12%) of voters nationwide believe that most opponents of President Obama’s health care reform plan are racist. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 67% of voters disagree, and 21% are not sure.

In recent days, several Democrats have suggested that racism is a factor. The most prominent to make that accusation is former President Jimmy Carter.

Eighty-eight percent (88%) of Republicans reject the notion that most of the opponents are racist. So do 78% of voters not affiliated with either major party. However, just 39% of Democrats share that view. Twenty-two percent (22%) of those in the president’s party say that most of the opposition to his plan comes from racists, and another 39% are not sure.

No suprise here, as it is the Democratic party that panders to the groups that want racism to be alive and well, and to those groups of Americans who want to sit on their a** es all day looking for handouts and someone to absolve them of their personal responsibilites. :mad: It's sad when you realize that those whom you support (both Democrats AND Republicans) really care much less about you and your wellbeing than you think, and it's more about their own personal agenda.:bang:

Americans need to keep up the fight against bad legislation. The real watershed moment will be in 2010, were those in office will be following with great interest to see if our current protests are simply NOISE, or whether we are serious and determined enough to change the way we vote.

[cj's dad]

The elections of 2010 may be the most meaningful in this country's history.

[ddog]

what are you talking about?

You will get someone in most(not all) contests that will be put up by one of the two sides and you will vote for one of them and that will be it.

You can elect all pugs or all dims.

When you draw water from a polluted well the result is a given.

People have no idea what it would take to turn this deal around.

NONE.

[boxcar]

what are you talking about?

You will get someone in most(not all) contests that will be put up by one of the two sides and you will vote for one of them and that will be it.

You can elect all pugs or all dims.

When you draw water from a polluted well the result is a given.

People have no idea what it would take to turn this deal around.

NONE.

Well, well...our Omniscient One has spoken. Please enlighten us with your knowledge and wisdom Mr. Know-it-All. Don't keep us in suspense.

Boxcar

[ddog]

You have my opinion, if you care to explain how it's wrong That would be a first.

Of course I won't be waiting.

:D

[ArlJim78]

don't forget, Osama bin Laden is recommending people read Jimmy Carters book about the Palestinians, that should tell you all you need to know.

[cj's dad]

what are you talking about?

You will get someone in most(not all) contests that will be put up by one of the two sides and you will vote for one of them and that will be it.

You can elect all pugs or all dims.

When you draw water from a polluted well the result is a given.

People have no idea what it would take to turn this deal around.

NONE.

Obviously, you do.

Please let me in on the big secret.

[ddog]

Obviously, you do.

Please let me in on the big secret.


it's not a secret, if it is I will never let you in on it.

It's obvious that the majority, the vast majority of the country were happy with the last 15-20 years and defended it up until the last year or two as they have not done a thing to opt out of it.

So, there you have it.

If you think that voting in a new pug or a new dim is the path, then go for it.

The country is happy with socialism as shown by the amount of the housing market that is controlled by the FEDS. DO you hear anyone saying this is an abomination,much less doing anything to stop it, I don't hear much.

Do you hear anyone saying that the pay to play that goes on must be stopped.

I don't hear much of it.

They argue only over the amounts.


Do you hear anyone saying that the fraud and lying on a daily basis must be stopped.

I don't hear much of it.

Do you hear anyone saying that the FED should be disbanded.

I don't hear much of it.

During the last election cycle what did you hear that was any different from the previous 3-5 cycles?

I didn't hear anything much.

It's not a secret, most just choose to ignore IT.

[exactaplayer]

I look forward to celebrating his assumption of room temperature. He is and has always been a total failure.
This comes from a sick mind. :ThmbDown::ThmbDown::ThmbDown:

[senortout]

This comes from a sick mind. :ThmbDown::ThmbDown::ThmbDown:

yes it does

senortout

[Tom]

I should have said dirt nap.

[lsbets]

Muslim is code word for black? :lol: :lol: :lol: Get a hold off yourself most, turn of KO, you're becoming mush.

[senortout]

I should have said dirt nap.

No what should have happened didn't.....you should have been more respectful of your elders, little child.

[ddog]

most --- have you ever BEEN overseas?

DO you realize how many MUslims there are?

If you do , how can you state that.

Muslim is a code word , but not for blacks. If it is then don't worry about those who use it that way, they ain't long for the gene pool. :lol:

[Tom]

No what should have happened didn't.....you should have been more respectful of your elders, little child.

Oh, Sarah Sylvia Cynthia Tout......I am invoking the Liberal Code of Conduct here. Let me refresh your memory - this is but a small sample of the stuff that went on while Bush was in office and at war.

I told you guys, I am only using the standards your side has set.
But I was passive - I did not encourage the act, like the libs did.

[senortout]

Oh, Sarah Sylvia Cynthia Tout......I am invoking the Liberal Code of Conduct here. Let me refresh your memory - this is but a small sample of the stuff that went on while Bush was in office and at war.

I told you guys, I am only using the standards your side has set.
But I was passive - I did not encourage the act, like the libs did.

When you are able to display a picture that excuses YOUR behavior, I will come over to your side, man-child.

[Show Me the Wire]

It is shameful Tom that the left can't abide by its own standards.

While Bush was in office dissent with Bush policies was patriotic and now any dissent against Obama is not only unpatriotic, but also racist. Imagine that.

Here is a standard we can all agree on for rules of civility whether or not you posted on this board when patriotic dissent was in vogue.

If you, yes you, did not condemn the vulgar attacks on the previous administration, under the guise of patriotic duty, you have no moral authority to reprimand a fellow board member who posted during the time period of these vile attacks on the previous administration, when this board member is now applying the same standard against the current administration.

Rationale:

You cannot go back into time and rewrite history or fight old battles. It is impolite and uncivil to say you would have defended Bush in the same manner as you now defend Obama. The fact is you did not and therefore you must accept the standards set by the past dissenters.

Additionally, name calling is immature and uncivil and reflects badly on the poster using such tactics against fellow posters.

[so.cal.fan]

I don't know why anyone would want to run for President?
As soon as you get elected, 50% of the population hates you.
With Obama the percentage of disapproval will only increase.
Not because he is black, but because he is a radical, a radical who surrounds himself by czars and outfits like SEIU and ACORN.
Jimmy Carter was a radical, actually he was our first Marxist president, Obama is the second. We survived Carter and we will survive Obama.
The protest against Obama is interesting and unique.
The people are taking matters into their own hands. They are not being run by the Republican party. The Republicans up for re-election are running just as scared as the Dems. The Dems will lose in landslides in many parts of the country in the '010 election.

[Show Me the Wire]

I don't know why anyone would want to run for President?
As soon as you get elected,


.............. The people are taking matters into their own hands. They are not being run by the Republican party. The Republicans up for re-election are running just as scared as the Dems. The Dems will lose in landslides in many parts of the country in the '010 election.
(bolding added for emphasis)

:ThmbUp:

Your astute statement is exactly what has the progressives' undies in a bundle. Their only ploy is to marginilize this movement. A favorite tactic learned at uncle Alinski's knee. That is why they are trying to protray every participant as either unamerican, uninformed or/racist. However, they wll fail because you cannot marginalize the majority by subjecting everyone to demeaming rhetoric.

mostpost will be most unhappy with your observation, as he feels the progressive dems will increas their majority in the mid-term elections.

[ddog]

very self serving and shallow compared to your normally wise points.

How would it not be , AT THIS POINT, a partisan effort, since the only choices one can see in 2010 will be dim or pug?

The thought is nice , but actions, actions prove out the truth behind the thought.

Please list for me the lib or dim organization list for the 9/12 event?

Is that what we are talking here, basically?

Why would any self respecting non-partisan event have rank partisan speakers at the event?

Shouldn't they have the people that came do the speaking? Not the paid pols?

Some, a few of the current pugs that were too close to BUsh and his policies may be scared, we will see how many lose or are even challenged by someone from his own side with a shot to defeat.

I guess less than 5 true challengers if that.

Hard to find many off years when the party of the WH did not lose seats?

Given the bama economy and deficit bomb plus foreign disasters that even many pugs now regret , it's not hard to see why change would be voted for again.

Of course, it goes without saying..............you know the rest.

[46zilzal]

Some interesting history of outbursts.


BY JOCELYN NOVECK
The Record
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS


Some 150 years ago, a congressman from South Carolina, angered by a speech on slavery, entered the Senate chamber and beat a senator from Massachusetts into unconsciousness with a metal-topped wooden cane.

Years earlier on the House floor, a representative from Vermont attacked a colleague from Connecticut — also with a cane — only to be attacked himself with a pair of fireplace tongs.

And then there was the 1838 pistol duel in which William Graves of Kentucky shot and killed fellow Rep. Jonathan Cilley of Maine over words spoken on the House floor. (He wasn’t even expelled.)


Presidents didn’t even address Congress between 1800, when John Adams held the job, and 1913, says Fred Beuttler, deputy historian at the House of Representatives, who calls the Wilson incident "highly unusual, if not unique."

"Occasionally, members of the opposing party have been known to boo and jeer as expressions of dissent on a specific point," says Beuttler, citing instances during the Bill Clinton and George W. Bush administrations. But before Wednesday, he says, "expressions of individual opposition of members to a president’s speech had not been recorded."

"Accusing someone of lying is impugning their integrity," says Kathleen Hall Jamieson, an expert on political communication at the Annenberg Public Policy Center at the University of Pennsylvania. "It was done in print a lot in the 19th century. But it is not routinely done in political discourse."

A British lawmaker was rebuked in 1986 for referring to President Ronald Reagan as Thatcher’s "cretinous friend."

In Asia, it can get physical — all-out brawls are almost an annual event in Taiwan’s raucous legislature, where in May 2007, lawmakers exchanged punches, climbed on each other’s shoulders and jostled violently during a debate over electoral reform.

"A brawl ensued on the House floor with 50 or more representatives rushing towards one another and wrestling and punching each other as the Speaker, James Orr of South Carolina, pleaded for order," says Beuttler, though he notes the fight ended in laughter as one congressman pulled the wig off another, "which set the whole House of Representatives roaring with laughter."

[Show Me the Wire]

True ddog. Even though it is a grass roots movement the choices will be limited in 2010.

I often lament the absence of an effective third parrty and the absence of term limits for all elected offices.

[robert99]

Would another take on what President Carter was meaning was not that the racism of the pre 1960's had returned but that many Americans were not yet ready for a President who was black? ""an inherent feeling among many in this country that an African-American should not be president". Hence the calls for their country to be returned to them.

This is not exactly playing the race card as painted by some. Americans can be fully integrated in their day to day lives but have been brought up with the picture in their minds since birth that the President is always a white male. Obama does not fit the Presidential stereotype. It is may be more a cultural issue than a racial one.

Would it not be the duty of those sensitive to the culture shock issue to be more open and express those particular feelings in a calmer and more uncontentious manner? Like a young baby, historic change needs nurture in its first few years. Any feelings and views on the purely political issues can be spoken/ shouted as before, but there is a duty on all parties and special interest groups to nurture the cultural change.

[BUD]

Well Folks Our National Gaurd is Priming up for some hefty in fighting--The Force that I was on is making sure it can work with the Guard if and When Marshal Law is called.
Our Dept for some time now has been gearing up for big trouble at home-

There are no dates-- But the training regiment--You can read into--1-3 years--

If So Hang on its going to be a bumby ride-Have Water a generator-Gas-
Munitions if you are armed-Food Canned-+30day supply--

Guess what--I aint even a survivalist--Sure sound like it--

[riskman]

The power brokers, the central bankers, the people who own controlling interest in military-industrial corporations, these are the people who are running America. They are the people who dictate domestic and foreign policy and it doesn't matter who is president at any particular moment in time. America's worldwide military empire is their enforcement arm. Through their political contritbutions, they are able to control the two major parties, the Congress and presidents. We are pawns in their game-and if they screw up they can increase our taxes or just give away the tax dollars as in bailout, stimulus or the power of the printing press.

I have zero expectations that Obama will do anything and if he is really serious he will have to make major policy moves soon. I don't expect him to do much of anything as he is a straw man and not an agent of change which is pretty much an illusion. If Obama does not opt for real change and sells out to the dark side, then no big deal--he will be just like the others that came before him.

Mr. Carters remarks on racism is pure BS. Carter still thinks like an old peanut dirt farmer and would be best served by being confined to the hen house gathering eggs which is all over his face.

[Valuist]

It is his Christian nature to be a man of peace and most haven't a clue how to do what comes to this man naturally.

A man of his beliefs too, he recently quit his church of many years over their close mindedness.

I suppose since he's the liberal, that HE can't be close-minded?

[Valuist]

Would another take on what President Carter was meaning was not that the racism of the pre 1960's had returned but that many Americans were not yet ready for a President who was black? ""an inherent feeling among many in this country that an African-American should not be president". Hence the calls for their country to be returned to them.

This is not exactly playing the race card as painted by some. Americans can be fully integrated in their day to day lives but have been brought up with the picture in their minds since birth that the President is always a white male. Obama does not fit the Presidential stereotype. It is may be more a cultural issue than a racial one.

Would it not be the duty of those sensitive to the culture shock issue to be more open and express those particular feelings in a calmer and more uncontentious manner? Like a young baby, historic change needs nurture in its first few years. Any feelings and views on the purely political issues can be spoken/ shouted as before, but there is a duty on all parties and special interest groups to nurture the cultural change.

If the United States was not ready for a black President, how was he elected? And just what is the "Presidential stereotype"? We over on this side of the pond would like to know but apparently you over there have all the answers.

[bigmack]

Somebody contact Jimmy Carter and ask him to comment about real racism.

Tvorl4RHaPQ

[PaceAdvantage]

He was ELECTED. yOU LOST. We won.Well, you could have fooled me.

IF YOU WON, why don't YOU DO SOMETHING?!?!?! Why can't YOU get anything done, IF YOU WON?

[Overlay]

Well, you could have fooled me.

IF YOU WON, why don't YOU DO SOMETHING?!?!?! Why can't YOU get anything done, IF YOU WON?

With the majorities that the Democrats have in Congress, Lyndon Johnson would have had the entire Great Society agenda passed by now (not to mention FDR and the New Deal). A president's influence only decreases as his term goes on (barring some event like the outbreak of war). Mr. Obama won't have an opportunity like this again.

[Secretariat]

PA,

You lie!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elections,_1964

LBJ had a much bigger majority in the Senate -68 - Filibuster proof. As a result they were able to pass Medicare despite the lobbying of Ronald Reagan who fought it tooth and nail.

It is interesting Bill Cosby also came out in agreement with Jimmy Carter's statements about the nutcase from South Carolina's outburst.

[JustRalph]

I will say it again............this Obama Presidency will end up being the worst thing to happen to Blacks in America since LBJ set them up for failure in the 60's

[Overlay]

LBJ had a much bigger majority in the Senate -68 - Filibuster proof. As a result they were able to pass Medicare despite the lobbying of Ronald Reagan who fought it tooth and nail.

Yes, LBJ did have a bigger majority of 68 in the Senate. But the Senate rules were changed since then (in 1975, at a time when the Democrats controlled the Senate -- and had controlled it for over twenty years), lowering the number to 60 for shutting off debate. That's why there was so much recent publicity about the Democrats obtaining a 60th seat, since that is the new "magic number". My other point was that Roosevelt and (especially) Johnson, knew how to "work" a legislature in a way that Obama does not, and could have gotten their programs passed with smaller majorities than they had (especially a majority that was "filibuster-proof").

[PaceAdvantage]

PA,

You lie!Huh?

[Tom]

PA,

You lie!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elections,_1964

LBJ had a much bigger majority in the Senate -68 - Filibuster proof. As a result they were able to pass Medicare despite the lobbying of Ronald Reagan who fought it tooth and nail.

It is interesting Bill Cosby also came out in agreement with Jimmy Carter's statements about the nutcase from South Carolina's outburst.

Then he is wrong.

[Secretariat]

Since this thread is about a "debilitating disease" and was pointed towards Jimmy Carter's remark about Joe Wilson's racism (of which Bill Cosby was in agreement, and oddly enough Obama was not), I thought I'd add antoher debilitating disease comment -

Rush Limbaugh wants to return to the world of "segregation."

http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/09/17/limbaugh-we-need-segregated-buses/

"Limbaugh: We need segregated buses
Published: September 17, 2009

In a remark extraordinary even by the standards of conservative talk show host Rush Limbaugh, the right-wing radio heavyweight declared on his program Wednesday that the United States needed to return to racially segregated buses."

- "We need segregated buses." - Rush Limpballs

[bigmack]

Since this thread is about a "debilitating disease" and was pointed towards Jimmy Carter's remark about Joe Wilson's racism (of which Bill Cosby was in agreement, and oddly enough Obama was not), I thought I'd add antoher debilitating disease comment -

Rush Limbaugh wants to return to the world of "segregation."

http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/09/17/limbaugh-we-need-segregated-buses/

"Limbaugh: We need segregated buses
Published: September 17, 2009

In a remark extraordinary even by the standards of conservative talk show host Rush Limbaugh, the right-wing radio heavyweight declared on his program Wednesday that the United States needed to return to racially segregated buses."

- "We need segregated buses." - Rush Limpballs
The value of repetition is?

[rokitman]

You're naive if you think racism is not hard at work in this country right now. But how would you know?

[46zilzal]

I will say it again............this Obama Presidency will end up being the worst thing to happen to Blacks in America since LBJ set them up for failure in the 60's
Without the civil rights act, minorities would be just as bad off today as the segregated Bull SHIT I witnessed in the South as a child. Unbelievable bull shit.

The xenophobes are working hard to reverse every aspect of that. It is interesting to see that in just about all the other countries I have visited, EVEN Ireland (south) there is nowhere near even the hint of segregation there is in the USA.

[boxcar]

Since this thread is about a "debilitating disease" and was pointed towards Jimmy Carter's remark about Joe Wilson's racism (of which Bill Cosby was in agreement, and oddly enough Obama was not), I thought I'd add antoher debilitating disease comment -

Rush Limbaugh wants to return to the world of "segregation."

http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/09/17/limbaugh-we-need-segregated-buses/

"Limbaugh: We need segregated buses
Published: September 17, 2009

In a remark extraordinary even by the standards of conservative talk show host Rush Limbaugh, the right-wing radio heavyweight declared on his program Wednesday that the United States needed to return to racially segregated buses."

- "We need segregated buses." - Rush Limpballs

And the value of quoting that line out its context is....?

Boxcar

[bigmack]

lEVEN Ireland (south) there is nowhere near even the hint of segregation there is in the USA.
EVEN Ireland? That's incredible!

[Tom]

And the value of quoting that line out its context is....?

Boxcar


...is that is the only way he can make it sound juicy. IN CONTEXT is no fun because it doesn't support his warped, vindictive little opinion.

[andymays]

YouTube - NBC Guest Hears "You Uppity N-Word" After Joe Wilson Said "You Lie"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuRgm4gGf58&feature=player_embedded


I guess it doesn't matter what is said because they now can read minds and tell what people are thinking! :ThmbDown:

[46zilzal]

EVEN Ireland? That's incredible!
catholic vs protestant?

Having read extensively about their struggles in this regard, and being there to observe the remnants, it was an education that you obviously have not entertained.

[boxcar]

YouTube - NBC Guest Hears "You Uppity N-Word" After Joe Wilson Said "You Lie"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuRgm4gGf58&feature=player_embedded


I guess it doesn't matter what is said because they now can read minds and tell what people are thinking! :ThmbDown:

That's right. There's absolutely nothing that these condescending, snobbish statists can't do -- so they think.

Boxcar

[Warren Henry]

catholic vs protestant?

Having read extensively about their struggles in this regard, and being there to observe the remnants, it was an education that you obviously have not entertained.
46zilzal = expert on EVERYTHING. We bow before your intelect and education.

[GaryG]

46zilzal = expert on EVERYTHING. We bow before your intelect and education.I think you forgot pomposity......

[46zilzal]

46zilzal = expert on EVERYTHING. We bow before your intelect and education.
No only movies, horses, photography and medicine

[Tom]

And the Prince of Grammar.

[Tom]

Maxine Waters sound racist to me - and rather dim witted:

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/59015-waters-media-must-investigate-right-wing-protesters-for-racism

Well where the HECK were YOU on 9/12??? Hiding in the Capitol you jerk? Nice that you bring these questions now, after we all went back to WORK! In the words of our famous Commander in Chief: "JACKASS!"

BY Patriot on 09/16/2009 at 12:44 :lol:


http://www.scpr.org/news/2009/09/17/congresswoman-maxine-waters-hot-water/

Is this a dodge for her own racism?
Join me with your comments here.....

[Hank]

The long con continues,:rolleyes: Keep the serfs bickering and distracted.Lest we face the guillotine.

[Tom]

You can eat cake, Hank! :eek:

[46zilzal]

The long con continues,:rolleyes: Keep the serfs bickering and distracted.Lest we face the guillotine.
Magicians learned this long ago: have a logical distraction while your slight of hand is not noticed.

[JustRalph]

No only movies, horses, photography and medicine

Don't forget Jackass racing..........I just read a thread where you popped off about the Soundness of the Common Jackass............what are the odds you would be an expert in that area?

Kudos to you....... :ThmbUp:

[PaceAdvantage]

You're naive if you think racism is not hard at work in this country right now. But how would you know?Oh, I know it's hard at work...and FOSTERED at EVERY TURN by the DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

For RACISM raises MONEY for the party of DEMOCRATS....BIG TIME....

It's in the Dems best interest to stoke the flames and keep it alive and burning brightly...got to fund those mega-campaigns you know...every few months, trot Carter, Pelosi, Reid, Jackson or Sharpton out there at some high profile event, scream RACISM at the top of your lungs (whether valid or not) and watch the sheep pour that money into the till....

As long as there is a Democratic party in America, there will be racism. It may be a figment of one's imagination, but by golly, there will be racism whether real or perceived as long as the "donk" party remains in existence.

[PaceAdvantage]

It is interesting to see that in just about all the other countries I have visited, EVEN Ireland (south) there is nowhere near even the hint of segregation there is in the USA.You best stay out of that bastion of liberalism, Boston Massachusetts then...you won't like what you find...

Who knew, right? You'd think Boston Mass would be as big a melting pot as you'd find anywhere on the east coast, what, with them being the big bad king of liberals here in the east. But, then again, that's always been their dirty little secret...

[Hank]

You best stay out of that bastion of liberalism, Boston Massachusetts then...you won't like what you find...

Who knew, right? You'd think Boston Mass would be as big a melting pot as you'd find anywhere on the east coast, what, with them being the big bad king of liberals here in the east. But, then again, that's always been their dirty little secret...

Make up your mind for crying out loud.:lol:

[46zilzal]

You best stay out of that bastion of liberalism, Boston Massachusetts then...you won't like what you find...


On my own personal BUCKET LIST is the experience of walking into the Harvard Medical School admissions office and shouting "You blew it" even though I never applied there.

Right up there with milking a cow or going to the Gran Prix de la Arc de Triomphe

[JustRalph]

Michael Steele made a great point talking to Wolf Blitzer yesterday

Steele:
You know, I’m looking at cities around the country where black folk live. Now, you showed me the Congress with all these wonderful black Democrats and white Democrats- but I go to black neighborhoods that are run by those same Democrats, and you tell me where racism really exists. Is it in the words of a congressman who says ‘you lie,’ or is it how we strip education funding through opportunity scholarships, or is it how we cut money for our HBCU [historically black colleges and universities] around the country, or is it the fact that so many African-Americans still live in neighborhoods that are burnt out and run down, and those same Democrats that are in that hall and that are running those cities aren’t investing capital, time, interest in that community- and instead, just giving the typical 40-year lip service out of the Great Society, that- trust us, we’re better, and if you don’t, the Republicans- the Republicans are going to come in a white hood. I’m sick of that. "

Better words were never spoken in regards to the big lie perpetrated on those black Americans that still think that the Dems and their minions of hate are the party to save them. Those same blacks will be so marginalized by the current President's backlash against them.........that they will be less and less relevant from now on. The big punishment is yet to come. If Obama gets cap and trade, a medical overhaul that costs the small businessman a fortune and puts him out of business, and then provides Amnesty for Illegal aliens......the entire landscape will change. You think there is racism now? The future holds a racist belief beyond any imagined by the current generation. It will be a natural backlash to the forced down the throat agenda of the Dems.

Racism with tools like dogs and water hoses will be baby shit to what might occur in the future. A non violent backlash that pushes more and more blacks and Hispanics into poverty could be the worse type of racism. Obama and the Dems hurt more than they help minorities.

[Quagmire]

Better words were never spoken in regards to the big lie perpetrated on those black Americans that still think that the Dems and their minions of hate are the party to save them. Those same blacks will be so marginalized by the current President's backlash against them.........that they will be less and less relevant from now on. The big punishment is yet to come. If Obama gets cap and trade, a medical overhaul that costs the small businessman a fortune and puts him out of business, and then provides Amnesty for Illegal aliens......the entire landscape will change. You think there is racism now? The future holds a racist belief beyond any imagined by the current generation. It will be a natural backlash to the forced down the throat agenda of the Dems.


I am sure the blacks appreciate your concern for there well being and regret voting for Obama. :lol:

What kind of backlash are you envisioning? Are the white kids going to stop buying Jay Z's music? A boycott of the NBA?

[boxcar]

Better words were never spoken in regards to the big lie perpetrated on those black Americans that still think that the Dems and their minions of hate are the party to save them. Those same blacks will be so marginalized by the current President's backlash against them.........that they will be less and less relevant from now on. The big punishment is yet to come. If Obama gets cap and trade, a medical overhaul that costs the small businessman a fortune and puts him out of business, and then provides Amnesty for Illegal aliens......the entire landscape will change. You think there is racism now? The future holds a racist belief beyond any imagined by the current generation. It will be a natural backlash to the forced down the throat agenda of the Dems.


I am sure the blacks appreciate your concern for there well being and regret voting for Obama. :lol:

What kind of backlash are you envisioning? Are the white kids going to stop buying Jay Z's music? A boycott of the NBA?

That's the point. Most blacks can't recognize genuine concern; for, like you, they have swallowed the great lie hook, line and sinker. And it's going to be tough for them to shake themselves free of the hook.

Boxcar

[Quagmire]

That's the point. Most blacks can't recognize genuine concern; for, like you, they have swallowed the great lie hook, line and sinker. And it's going to be tough for them to shake themselves free of the hook.

Boxcar

Yes why can't the blacks just see things as clearly as you do Boxcar.

Exactly how far back do you want to set the clock?

[46zilzal]

Yes why can't the blacks just see things as clearly as you do Boxcar.

Exactly how far back do you want to set the clock?
I just watched Gentleman's Agreement last night with Gregory Peck. One of the things he noticed in his anti-Semite study was the way the true racists referred to "them" as a group, suggested that anyone having whatever characteristic that the observer felt organized THEM, or other innuendo rather than considering these people as the individuals they really are.

One sees that the country has traveled very little from that 1947 movie's premise

[ArlJim78]

can someone give me one concrete example of why everyone is suddenly bleating about perceived racism everywhere? as Clara Peller once said "Where's the beef?".

Clinton was slammed hard when he tried to pass health care, was that racist?

nothing has happened other than things are getting hot in the kitchen for democrats, they've lost popularity and the momentum, and suddenly it's all due to RACISM! where were these so-called racists on election day?

[Show Me the Wire]

I just watched Gentleman's Agreement last night with Gregory Peck. One of the things he noticed in his anti-Semite study was the way the true racists referred to "them" as a group, suggested that anyone having whatever characteristic that the observer felt organized THEM, or other innuendo rather than considering these people as the individuals they really are.

One sees that the country has traveled very little from that 1947 movie's premise


I see it too in the Democrat leadership. Actually, very little has changed for the Democrat leadership since the U.S. Civil War and those nice Democrats started the KKK to intimidate the Negros in regards to exercising voting rights granted to them by the Republican leadership. Those good old Democrat leaders still singing the same tune.

Glad we finally agree on something.

[JustRalph]

Better words were never spoken in regards to the big lie perpetrated on those black Americans that still think that the Dems and their minions of hate are the party to save them. Those same blacks will be so marginalized by the current President's backlash against them.........that they will be less and less relevant from now on. The big punishment is yet to come. If Obama gets cap and trade, a medical overhaul that costs the small businessman a fortune and puts him out of business, and then provides Amnesty for Illegal aliens......the entire landscape will change. You think there is racism now? The future holds a racist belief beyond any imagined by the current generation. It will be a natural backlash to the forced down the throat agenda of the Dems.


I am sure the blacks appreciate your concern for there well being and regret voting for Obama. :lol:

What kind of backlash are you envisioning? Are the white kids going to stop buying Jay Z's music? A boycott of the NBA?

You are kidding right? What kind? I have black friends who lament what is going to become of their kids. They are constantly trying to keep their children from being exposed to everything from Hip Hop and and Rap to the latest new lie about racism. They don't buy it. And they have left the bad elements in their culture behind. They live a much better life than even some in their immediate families. Yet some of them are pulled back in over and over by trying to help those family members. I hear about it all the time from them. I have black friends and co-workers who I spend time with and they are genuinely worried about the future. Not to mention the Hispanics that fear that they will be lumped in with the blacks if Amnesty is offered. I only have a few Hispanic friends, don't spend much time with them. I help them out often with problems in their lives on a regular basis. These guys (most) have green cards etc, but were illegal at one time. They have knowledge of the struggle to get here and stay. They have spoken with me about it.

I have more black friends. Every one of them has worries. These are people with young sons, who realize what "their" own culture has become and why. They get it. They are better off for it, and they fear that their kids will suffer a backlash in the future. In the City of Charlotte it is tough to raise a child in some areas. Even more tough if that child is black.

[PaceAdvantage]

Clinton was slammed hard when he tried to pass health care, was that racist?An incredibly salient point that will likely go ignored by those screaming racism at the top of their lungs...thus they end up acting the part of the fool.

It looks like that once again, Democrats are begging to have their new-found power and influence stripped away from them...hopefully, many will be happy to oblige.

[Show Me the Wire]

can someone give me one concrete example of why everyone is suddenly bleating about perceived racism everywhere? as Clara Peller once said "Where's the beef?".

Clinton was slammed hard when he tried to pass health care, was that racist?

nothing has happened other than things are getting hot in the kitchen for democrats, they've lost popularity and the momentum, and suddenly it's all due to RACISM! where were these so-called racists on election day?

It had to be. Clinton was the first "Black" president. :lol:

[46zilzal]

I see it too in the Democrat leadership. Actually, very little has changed for the Democrat leadership since the U.S. Civil War and those nice Democrats started the KKK to intimidate the Negros in regards to exercising voting rights granted to them by the Republican leadership. Those good old Democrat leaders still singing the same tune.

Glad we finally agree on something.
Horse crap: once the civil right act was passed the entire south turned against the party they had backed for years. You can look it up in most any history book

[NJ Stinks]

Horse crap: once the civil right act was passed the entire south turned against the party they had backed for years. You can look it up in most any history book

46, next these re-writers will tell us with a straight face that it was a Republican who led the fight for the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

And that his name wasn't LBJ! :lol:

[Show Me the Wire]

Horse crap: once the civil right act was passed the entire south turned against the party they had backed for years. You can look it up in most any history book

How many years passed from the end of the Civil war and the civil rights act? About a hundred or so would you say? Are you trying to deny that Southern Democrats started the KKK in response to the voting rights granted to the Negroes by the Republican politicians.


Who did they turn against? What candidate?


You wouldn't find your statement in any true history book.

[Show Me the Wire]

46, next these re-writers will tell us with a straight face that it was a Republican who led the fight for the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

And that his name wasn't LBJ! :lol:

No but I will tell you Sen. Byrd (D) is a member of the KKK. Also, i will tell you it was MLK and JFK that began the movement, not LBJ.

[Show Me the Wire]

Warning long post:


Zilly started me thinking about racism and community organizations. I pondered and pondered about community organizations and what community organizers do. Also, I pondered on the differences between community organizations and populist grass roots movements

As I pondered I noticed that politically democrats lean toward community organizations and sponsor many events through local chapters and offices located in many different states. As zilly observed today echoes the past,.

During my contemplation journey, I realized a grass roots movement based on reading books and literature found slavery to be oppressive in the modern time of machinery. The participants went to town hall meetings demanding changes from its government. It was an unnecessary evil to enslave people to do work a machine could do. This movement led to the election of Abe Lincoln.

Well a bloody conflict arose, because certain States did not like the outcome of the election. After this sad conflict ended with the Republic winning the slaves were set free and, given citizenship in the Republic.

Well some other politicians, in order to maintain power, got this idea for a community organization. They organized bon fires, special cross burning events, beatings and lynchings in an effort to control the Negro vote and oppress certain races of people. Make no mistake in labeling this organization it this was a true community organization, nation wide it had chapters and local offices, with dues paying members, in all the states and all these chapters had the same goal. It even had its own uniform and its own icon, a shield with KKK on it. This community organization was founded by southern democrats, even though it claimed to be non-partisan. To its shame it was very powerful through the 1950s, even in States such as Indianna.

Well that brings me to today. There is an organization that claims to be non-partisan, but it is populated by democrats and supports democrats in public elections. It has chapters and offices nationwide with dues paying members, just like the first Democrat Party community organization, the KKK. Eerily it seeks to control the voting block of a certain segment of the population, which was an important goal of the KKK community organization. Even more horrendous ACORN seeks to oppress opinions of certain classes of people, as the KKK did. This community organization embraces oppression, exploitation, and slavery of young Latin American girls. Hmmm, the KKK embraced the same ideals of racism, oppression, exploitation, etc.

This present day community organization is named ACORN. It also has an icon an Acorn in a circle. Very appropriate as the saying goes the acorn doesn’t drop very far from its tree.

Additionally, in this time, there also is an informed grass roots movement, populated by common Americans, based on reading books, reading literature,and attending town hall meetings demanding change in the way government is run.

There definitely is a historical parallel. Let’s fervently hope for peaceful change this time. Let us with desire and with fortitude make the grass root movement prevail to hold government accountable for its actions, while praying that the disgruntled democrat politicians will not turn the streets red with blood as their history and Pelosi's vitrol indicates.

GOD bless us.

[Tom]

One sees that the country has traveled very little from that 1947 movie's premise

Them, as in:

Black Caucus
NAACP
United Negro College Fund
"We shall overcome..."
BET TV


You need to stop watching stupid movies.

[ArlJim78]

makes it so much easier, use this chart to play along from home.

http://www.missourah.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/obamaflowchart21.bmp