Classiest states

[GameTheory]

Outside of KY, which places in North America are considered as producing the classiest horses?

[betovernetcapper]

Based on the current Triple Crown races, I'd have to say New York.

[Larry Hamilton]

well if you measure it by average class numbers that run you get:


BkTrack AvgCL MinCL MaxCL TotCL
DMR 111.69 96.9 122.5 5155
SA 111.30 96.2 123.4 16407
HOL 111.28 94.9 122 11121
SAR 111.20 94.5 123.8 4667
KEE 111.00 95.2 124.4 4884
BEL 110.55 92.5 124.4 10716
GP 109.92 91.6 124.3 14526
CD 109.77 93.6 123.7 11229
AQU 109.65 91.7 123.3 18715
WO 109.32 94 122.4 23049
AP 109.05 91.4 124.8 13585
KD 108.84 95.8 120.7 714
FPX 108.59 97.9 122.1 2178
BM 108.48 95.8 119.4 10440
HIA 108.48 92.6 121.6 1093
MTH 108.45 88.3 122.1 8858
DEL 108.42 90 121.7 14834
FG 108.41 89.5 122.7 14375
GG 108.41 92.3 120.9 12991
CRC 108.22 89.9 122.9 24678
BMF 108.10 96.3 119.5 1003
PLN 108.03 98 118.5 956
MED 108.02 89.4 120.2 7261
LS 107.67 88.3 120.6 10555
LRL 107.66 88.4 121.2 17591
PIM 107.60 88.4 122.9 9571
HST 107.45 90.1 119.1 9591
OP 107.25 92.6 122.1 9301
ELP 107.19 92.2 119.5 5526
SPT 107.16 91.6 122 4249
HAW 107.11 91.5 122.8 13246
SR 106.93 95.9 119.3 1035
SOL 106.69 96.6 117.5 980
EMD 106.41 89.2 119.7 10271
TP 106.30 88.7 122.5 17487
CNL 106.20 89.1 118.4 3487
STP 106.20 93 119.3 4742
GS 106.15 92.6 117.5 276
PHA 106.11 86.8 120 28039
NP 106.01 88.8 117.6 7949
LAD 105.99 90.6 120.3 12161
PRM 105.77 89.6 120.7 11032
HPO 105.68 98.9 117.2 187
FE 105.49 90.8 118.5 14242
SAC 105.47 92.9 117.1 1042
HOU 105.44 88.3 120.9 13743
SUF 105.43 88.6 122 16890
TAM 105.36 87.7 119.8 16891
RET 105.35 87.3 120.6 7228
STK 105.34 95.6 114.6 658
MNR 105.34 88.7 119.8 31871
RKM 105.24 88.9 118.9 7103
FNO 105.10 95.4 116.8 814
TIM 105.10 90.6 116.9 853
TUP 105.05 87.9 119.3 23566
ATL 104.96 91.3 113.9 341
SUN 104.92 88.4 119.5 9018
CBY 104.63 88.4 117.1 6793
RP 104.41 87.2 118.7 9299
FL 104.39 89.5 119.4 16818
CT 104.37 87.8 119.1 34017
HOO 104.35 86.6 121.9 11857
RUI 104.32 87.9 116.8 3205
TDN 104.21 87.1 118.1 19837
PEN 104.16 85.6 118.6 21434
DED 104.13 87.5 121.2 12131
ATO 104.11 94.2 112.2 137
LA 104.05 93.8 111.7 3804
FP 103.84 87.4 117.1 13471
ARP 103.83 89.4 118.9 4130
EVD 103.83 87.4 117.8 11459
ALB 103.82 85.7 116.6 4600
YAV 103.71 92.3 116 3439
GLD 103.65 89.2 117.4 11859
RD 103.52 85.8 119.3 11785
PRE 103.49 94.7 112.4 116
IND 103.48 89.8 117.4 1069
ASD 103.46 85.6 115.3 7344
ELK 103.27 92.4 111 203
SRP 103.10 87.2 115.4 2865
FMT 103.09 86.5 114.9 2059
WDS 103.07 88.2 115.7 2602
FER 102.94 91.9 113.8 362
BEU 102.80 88 116.8 17118
PLA 102.64 92.2 112 290
WYO 102.63 89.1 113.2 344
LBG 102.58 89 110.8 2158
BOI 102.55 87.7 115.1 3021
PM 102.54 85.1 114.7 8293
FON 102.54 86.1 116.8 6578
MAN 102.41 88.8 117.3 900
FLG 102.40 94.5 111.5 180
GF 102.36 92.8 109.7 280
WRD 102.18 92.7 110.5 218
BRN 102.05 94.6 107 60
GPR 101.93 90.3 110.4 294
MD 101.92 88.9 112.4 2352
ANF 101.92 91.6 112.2 179
LNN 101.85 87.6 113.8 3559
CLS 101.79 85.3 112.5 2887
BF 101.76 93.8 111.1 264
SAL 101.58 92.3 111.4 52
KIN 101.54 92.2 107.7 115
YD 101.54 83.8 112 765
SJ 101.48 90.5 108.1 169
GRP 101.46 92.6 111.6 919
MIL 101.43 93.9 108.8 43
KAM 101.43 93.3 109.6 340
BRD 101.37 85.5 115.3 3772
TIL 101.37 90.6 108.8 155
QBY 101.35 84.8 107.7 190
PRV 101.32 92.5 109.6 220
MPM 101.25 90.7 109.5 272
MOF 101.22 91.1 108.5 160
EUR 101.21 86.3 110.8 581
SUD 101.07 91.3 110 801
NMP 101.03 85.8 111.2 716
DG 100.89 88.6 107.2 210
SAF 100.87 85.6 110 221
GCF 100.87 90.1 109.8 168
RIL 100.78 85.5 110.8 852
FTP 100.76 94.2 109 80
SON 100.61 91.7 108.3 163
DUN 100.43 89.9 106.9 259
CPW 100.33 87.9 108.4 316
GIL 100.24 89.3 113.2 104

[Whirlaway]

I think the order would more or less be:

1. Kentucky
2. Florida
3. California
4. Maryland
5. New York

At any rate, Florida is certainly #2.

[Larry Hamilton]

if you go buy average class of the winners only, you get:


BkTrack AvgCL MinCL MaxCL BkFMPsn TotCL
KEE 115.55 107.3 124.4 1 609
DMR 115.18 109 122.3 1 679
SAR 115.15 106 123.8 1 624
SA 114.67 107 123.4 1 2141
HOL 114.48 107.2 122 1 1582
BEL 114.46 106.2 124.4 1 1431
GP 113.82 105.6 124.3 1 1852
CD 113.72 105.1 123.7 1 1380
AQU 113.68 104.4 123.3 1 2502
WO 113.06 103.4 122.4 1 3056
AP 112.65 103.8 124.8 1 1724

i got a million of em, but cant figure out the table rules

[Larry Hamilton]

Actually, this can go on forever..if you really want to know, and you know what independent variables you wish to measure, you know my email address

[Derek2U]

Just 1 brief remark concerning track class .... NY is considered
in the top category, the A list, with most Calif tracks. New Jersey,
B at best. Yet, when I see the "class" NY horse in a Monmouth
or Meadowlands race, I give them 1 black mark. And the NY horses are bet very heavily but --- in my mid -- rarely win. It's
very different racing and the AQU-BEL-SAR connections don't seem
to matter.

[sq764]

I think Delaware is over Maryland.. Pimlico and Laurel horses that ship over to Delaware get killed.

[BillW]

Originally posted by betovernetcapper
Based on the current Triple Crown races, I'd have to say New York.

Careful, bet ... you're backfitting :D

[Dave Schwartz]

I thought this thread was about breeding. It appears that most people read this as "Which states have the classiest racing."

In terms of breeding, it is very difficult to measure. WHile Kentucky certainly appears to have the best bred horses, it certainly does not show in their statebred races. Of course, that is quite logical because the "best of kKentucky" ships to California and New York as soon as possible.

Regards,
Dave Schwartz

[Whirlaway]

The Jockey Club Fact Book (http://home.jockeyclub.com/factbook/index.html) has some fascinating stats. In terms of foal crop the rankings are:

1. Kentucky
2. Florida
3. California
4. Texas
5. New York

[lousycapper]

Originally posted by Larry Hamilton
well if you measure it by average class numbers that run you get:

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Mr. Hamilton,

Please, elaborate. I'm interested in how you arrived at these numbers and what do they mean? Does the number of int. graded races enter into your track class calculations?

-L.C.

[Larry Hamilton]

its all averages, calculated by Access. I queried track, TSN Class Number and averaged All the Class numbers for that track, then found the largest and smallest single class for each track. Then I counted the number of horses in the sample (incorrectly in the first table)..anyways, fairly straightforward stuff if you have your db set up like a chart instead of pp's in the drf.

[Larry Hamilton]

the first table answers the question, what is the class number average for those who ran at this track. The second table answers the qeustion what is the class number average for those who WON at this track. With this technique you can answer any question you have data for, including state of breeding.

[lousycapper]

Originally posted by Larry Hamilton
its all averages, calculated by Access.

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Thank you, Mr. Hamilton!

-L.C.

[GameTheory]

Originally posted by Dave Schwartz
I thought this thread was about breeding. It appears that most people read this as "Which states have the classiest racing."

In terms of breeding, it is very difficult to measure. WHile Kentucky certainly appears to have the best bred horses, it certainly does not show in their statebred races. Of course, that is quite logical because the "best of kKentucky" ships to California and New York as soon as possible.



Yes,

My question is about breeding. Another way to state the question is, "Which states have the highest level of competition in their state-bred races, assuming other conditions are equal?" I realize Kentucky is a special case because it is the center of the industry...