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mostpost
09-07-2009, 04:13 PM
All that anger; all that fear; all those recriminations and accusations, over this.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/MediaResources/PreparedSchoolRemarks/ :faint: :faint: :faint:

Tom
09-07-2009, 04:19 PM
You know that this was just written SINCE the outcry, don't you?
Still, he has NO BUSINESS talking to school kids while we are bleeding jobs and his economic policies area failing to stop it. He has far more important things to be doing. Like vetting his czars.

lsbets
09-07-2009, 04:23 PM
I have no problem with what was put up today.

It does not appear to have much to do with the lesson plan that was posted last week. That would make most wonder.

But my son has testing tomorrow. That's much more important than the power of O. I'll give him the choice to watch it online after school. My best guess says he either opts to ride his bike, play basketball, or watch Spongebob.

mostpost
09-07-2009, 04:47 PM
You know that this was just written SINCE the outcry, don't you?
Still, he has NO BUSINESS talking to school kids while we are bleeding jobs and his economic policies area failing to stop it. He has far more important things to be doing. Like vetting his czars.
Perhaps it was. Neither of us knows. My feeling is what was posted today was pretty much what he planned to say all along. Maybe a few things were changed to mollify some nervous parents.
As for your second paragraph, what you need to remember is we now have a President who can multitask.

Tom
09-07-2009, 04:52 PM
Yes, he can multitask - he can screw up several things at the same time.
Nifty.

sandpit
09-07-2009, 04:54 PM
You know that this was just written SINCE the outcry, don't you?
Still, he has NO BUSINESS talking to school kids while we are bleeding jobs and his economic policies area failing to stop it. He has far more important things to be doing. Like vetting his czars.

Well, if the White House did rewrite it (and I think they did) after a public outcry, I think that's a great example of how our free society should work. Since I have 2 kids that may hear the speech tomorrow, I read it and found it to be pretty tame; I bet most younger kids will tune out just like they did when they had to listen to his inauguration speech last winter. I bet you could resurrect Abe Lincoln or George Washington for a pep talk and most elementary students would get bored after the first couple of minutes.

andymays
09-07-2009, 04:58 PM
You have to admit that the speech he intended to give has been changed since all the uproar.

If he is a man of principles he should give the speech he intended to give.

Warren Henry
09-07-2009, 05:00 PM
All that anger; all that fear; all those recriminations and accusations, over this.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/MediaResources/PreparedSchoolRemarks/ :faint: :faint: :faint:
Why not have posted this BEFORE all the angst. If the lesson plan and other handouts were done earlier, then surely the speech was known then? Or was the speech changed because of all the heat?

Perhaps The One has had a teachable moment? Perhaps he can apply the principle of openness and specificity to his proposals for other of his projects. Tell us exactly what he has in mind and let the people give it a thumbs up or thumbs down.

mostpost
09-07-2009, 05:05 PM
I have no problem with what was put up today.

It does not appear to have much to do with the lesson plan that was posted last week. That would make most wonder.

But my son has testing tomorrow. That's much more important than the power of O. I'll give him the choice to watch it online after school. My best guess says he either opts to ride his bike, play basketball, or watch Spongebob.
I just looked at the revised lesson plan. Maybe my memory is bad, but I don't see that much difference. I think if they had released the speech and the lesson plan together, there would have been no problem. People imagined things and that worried them
You are absolutely correct that your son's testing is more important than Obama's speech, but it's good that you will give him the choice to view the speech later. I have the feeling that he gets suuficient academic encouragement at home and doesn't need Presidential encouragement. Some Kids do.
Finally, at his age, I would have opted the same way except I would be watching Beany and Cecil or Crusader Rabbit. :D

Snag
09-07-2009, 05:27 PM
You have to admit that the speech he intended to give has been changed since all the uproar.

If he is a man of principles he should give the speech he intended to give.

Did anyone hear if he rewrote his talking points (lesson plan) he sent out?

riskman
09-07-2009, 05:29 PM
You have to admit that the speech he intended to give has been changed since all the uproar.

If he is a man of principles he should give the speech he intended to give.

You mean the "uproar" created by the media because conservatives are upset about having the President speak to millions of students. Isn't this partisan politics? Of course. But aren't the schools supposed to be bipartisan? They are bipartisan. They secure the population for at least 12 years for a bipartisan agenda, namely, the expansion of state control. Both parties favor this. Do they not?

If you object to this, home school your kids or send them to private school thats meets your philosophy.

I was hoping he would veer off course and wade into health care and other subjects. That would enrage conservatives. They would see through this charade that tax-funded education is political to the core. To bad, the "One" is one slick dude.

boxcar
09-07-2009, 06:00 PM
It's very easy to switch horses in midstream during an outcry. He sent his trial balloon up and the public outcry shot it down; therefore, time to go to Plan B.

The fact that so many parents (formerly the "silent majority") were disturbed by the prospects of him speaking to young, impressionable minds speaks poignantly to the growing political awareness that is spreading across these fruited plains. The word is getting out on him: Don't trust him. And this is the sagest advice that has come down the 'pike since the era of Hoover and FDR.

Boxcar

cj's dad
09-07-2009, 06:12 PM
Well, if the White House did rewrite it (and I think they did) after a public outcry, I think that's a great example of how our free society should work. Since I have 2 kids that may hear the speech tomorrow, I read it and found it to be pretty tame; I bet most younger kids will tune out just like they did when they had to listen to his inauguration speech last winter. I bet you could resurrect Abe Lincoln or George Washington for a pep talk and most elementary students would get bored after the first couple of minutes.

No doubt - in today's educational environment most students probably would not know who these guys were

NJ Stinks
09-07-2009, 06:20 PM
You have to admit that the speech he intended to give has been changed since all the uproar.

If he is a man of principles he should give the speech he intended to give.

You are wishing and hoping here. You have no idea as to what was intended anymore than anyone else. Yet you suggest we admit something? :confused:

Andy, if you are a man of principle, you will admit as much.

newtothegame
09-07-2009, 06:37 PM
You are wishing and hoping here. You have no idea as to what was intended anymore than anyone else. Yet you suggest we admit something? :confused:

Andy, if you are a man of principle, you will admit as much.

But NJ, we DO know what was intended....
Here, see for yourself....

Parents object to planned Obama speech to students
Rob Daniel • Iowa City Press-Citizen • September 5, 2009
The president is scheduled to go on the air live at 11 a.m. Tuesday on the Internet and C-SPAN.

Lesson plans sent to schools originally suggested that students write letters to themselves "about what they can do to help the president." That language prompted conservative radio host Glenn Beck to say the White House's goal is the "indoctrination" of children.

This week, the wording was changed to suggest that students' letters focus on ways to achieve their educational goals, White House spokesman Tommy Vietor said. The speech will be posted online Monday, he said.

more at the link....
www.press-citizen.com/article/20090905/NEWS01/909050327/1079/ (http://www.press-citizen.com/article/20090905/NEWS01/909050327/1079/)

andymays
09-07-2009, 06:40 PM
You are wishing and hoping here. You have no idea as to what was intended anymore than anyone else. Yet you suggest we admit something? :confused:

Andy, if you are a man of principle, you will admit as much.


Of course I didn't have his orginal speech(I guess that makes me a man of principel). What do I look like David Axelrod? :rolleyes:

They already admitted a couple of days ago that they took some lines out of the speach pertaining to doing something for the President.

I'm not saying he was going to tell the Kids about Karl or Saul but they did change the content. Where have you been?

NJ Stinks
09-07-2009, 06:46 PM
That's a lesson plan - not the speech. Wasn't it already revealed that the White House was not responsible for that lesson plan?

andymays
09-07-2009, 06:50 PM
That's a lesson plan - not the speech. Wasn't it already revealed that the White House was not responsible for that lesson plan?


The White House is responsible for everyone in the Cabinet and all their Czars.

Can't see the big deal in this. It's obvious to anyone that wants to see that they changed his speech a little. I don't think the origonal speed was gonna be that bad for most people.

They are trying to tie the Kids into the Environmental Justice Movement (Social Justice Movement). Subtle but effective. No shame!

Liberals have been rewriting History for years to influence the Kids!

newtothegame
09-07-2009, 07:09 PM
You are wishing and hoping here. You have no idea as to what was intended anymore than anyone else. Yet you suggest we admit something? :confused:

Andy, if you are a man of principle, you will admit as much.

I also find it very amusing that you would question a mans principles, yet not question the leader of the free world. :bang:
More people need to scrutinize everything about Obama. People on this forum (on both sides of the aisle) have said something to the effect of, You are the company you keep. Or, You are who you surround yourself with.
If that is the case, and I believe it to be so, what does that say for Obama and his tax evading cabinet? How about the Czars ? The list is long and many. If I were Obama, I would make a royal decree that those statements be abolished from all text and languages. The company this guy has been associated with is downright scary in some cases.

boxcar
09-07-2009, 07:21 PM
I also find it very amusing that you would question a mans principles, yet not question the leader of the free world. :bang:
More people need to scrutinize everything about Obama. People on this forum (on both sides of the aisle) have said something to the effect of, You are the company you keep. Or, You are who you surround yourself with.
If that is the case, and I believe it to be so, what does that say for Obama and his tax evading cabinet? How about the Czars ? The list is long and many. If I were Obama, I would make a royal decree that those statements be abolished from all text and languages. The company this guy has been associated with is downright scary in some cases.

Even the Good Book says, "Bad company corrupts good morals."

Boxcar

ArlJim78
09-07-2009, 08:51 PM
of course they toned it down based on the reaction. I still don't like it. I hate when the federal government tries to handle everyday mundane things like education. it should be parents and teachers handling that. not every student should be pressured to discover something, contribute something, solve problems, or give back to the community. some kids shold be allowed just to learn for the sake of learning. who the hell knows what they end up doing. I don't need the president asking my kid "what are are you going to contribute" It implies that they have to respond to the president.

notice how he once again for the one millionth time makes the speech about himself, his childhood etc. he is constantly branding himself.

"The story of America isn’t about people who quit when things got tough. It’s about people who kept going, who tried harder, who loved their country too much to do anything less than their best."

One caution to any kids planning to go into the CIA, you may be prosecuted by a future president when you do your best for the country. watch your step there.

lets hope that when a president 20 to 40 years from now asks this generation what have you accomplished, that several of them will answer that they helped to deconstruct the entitlement/nanny state government and saved the country from the statists who nearly ruined it.

NJ Stinks
09-07-2009, 09:49 PM
I also find it very amusing that you would question a mans principles, yet not question the leader of the free world. :bang:


Not really questioning Andy's principles here. :cool:

Just his tainted view of Obama's principles! :( ;)

boxcar
09-07-2009, 09:56 PM
Not really questioning Andy's principles here. :cool:

Just his tainted view of Obama's principles! :( ;)

And just what exactly would those principles be?

Boxcar

mostpost
09-07-2009, 10:15 PM
That's a lesson plan - not the speech. Wasn't it already revealed that the White House was not responsible for that lesson plan?
Correct, again. Here is what I posted in #21 of "Get them while they're young"
Here is another IMPORTANT excerpt from the Adams County School District 14 website:

Quote:
The Department of Education has also asked a group of U.S. Department of Education Teaching Ambassador Fellows to develop some suggested classroom activities around the speech to help engage students and stimulate discussion on the importance of education in their lives


What this excerpt tells us is that the suggested questions and activities surrounding the speech were formulated, not by the White House, nor even by the career professionals at the Department of Education, but by members of the Teaching Ambassadors Fellowship.
http://www.ed.gov/programs/teacherfellowship/index.html
This program is for teachers with at least three years teaching experience. If chosen they work in one of two categories. In the Classroom Fellowship they continue to work in their community and work part time with the Department of Education. In the Washington Fellowship, they move to Washington DC and work full time with the DOE for one year. Their task: to share their practical knowledge and experience with the people at DOE. The website explains how they are chosen. Political affiliation is not a criterion. Before anyone says "Sounds like Socialism to Me", the program began before the 2008-2009 school year when you know who was still President.
The point of all this is that the study guides for the President's speech were developed by teachers for teachers, not by the DNC.
To reiterate: the Teaching Ambassador Fellows work for the DOE NOT for the White House. They are chosen on a non partisan basis.

Secretariat
09-07-2009, 10:32 PM
All that anger; all that fear; all those recriminations and accusations, over this.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/MediaResources/PreparedSchoolRemarks/ :faint: :faint: :faint:

I know. God forbid a child here's a speech with the word responsiblity in it.

The rightwing crazies have once again got more egg on their face over much ado about nothing. They are such dittoheads, going crazy based on fears stoked by Beck, Limpballs, O'Leilly, and Insanity Hannity. :lol: :lol: :lol:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/MediaResources/PreparedSchoolRemarks/

ArlJim78
09-07-2009, 10:33 PM
"I hope you'll all wash your hands a lot"

maybe he should throw a czar or two on that one, just to follow-up and make sure that it's done right.

Tom
09-07-2009, 10:55 PM
How good an idea is it to let a known doper talk to students?

"Hey dudes.....howzit hangin'?"
"You dudes up to some bangin'?"
"Stay in School....the dope's cheaper!"
"GD America. Dig it."

mostpost
09-07-2009, 11:16 PM
How good an idea is it to let a known doper talk to students?

"Hey dudes.....howzit hangin'?"
"You dudes up to some bangin'?"
"Stay in School....the dope's cheaper!"
"GD America. Dig it."
How good an idea is it to let a known dope post in off topic? :lol:

NJ Stinks
09-07-2009, 11:41 PM
And just what exactly would those principles be?

Boxcar

I understand one of his biggest predetermined policies is to torment you for four full years, Boxcar. How's that going? :lol:

jballscalls
09-08-2009, 02:10 AM
i can't believe this is even an issue. it's actually kind of sad that people are getting upset over a speech to kids. like they even give a crap. even if he tried to brainwash them with socialism, they don't care!!

as someone who doesn't like obama and doesn't care for his policy, i sure don't have any problem with the president telling kids to work hard and stay in school

Tom
09-08-2009, 07:40 AM
Sec, jb....what this is very sad. It is sad that THIS president has, in 6 months, alienated so many Americans, that parents are reluctant allow him to talk to their children. Obama has tarnished the office of the president and the dems have tarnished the congress. And most Americans know it and are fed up with the scoundrels.

This is fitting testimony on the Obama approval.

Tom
09-08-2009, 07:41 AM
How good an idea is it to let a known dope post in off topic? :lol:

Did I call you a name here?

newtothegame
09-08-2009, 07:44 AM
i can't believe this is even an issue. it's actually kind of sad that people are getting upset over a speech to kids. like they even give a crap. even if he tried to brainwash them with socialism, they don't care!!

as someone who doesn't like obama and doesn't care for his policy, i sure don't have any problem with the president telling kids to work hard and stay in school

if it isnt an issue as you claim, and kids don't give a crap as you again say, then why give it? Why is the left defending it so much? And even more so, why to k-6 grades?
As many have already posted, let me tell ya why....its because kids are very impressionable!

hcap
09-08-2009, 09:12 AM
10/2/91 Baltimore Sun

Yesterday was one of those occasions White House image-makers love.

They gave their boss the hated task of reading a prepared speech from TelePrompTers but put him into one of his favorite places to do it — a small classroom.

Walking casually around the room as he spoke, President Bush gently exhorted 27 rapt eighth-graders — and pupils watching his televised performance throughout the nation — to take control of their own destinies by making sure they get the most out of school.

The effect was part bully pulpit, part campaign ad. Mr. Bush was simultaneously employing the power of his office in the drive to improve American education and making another bid to focus voter attention on what he considers the centerpiece of his domestic agenda.

"I'm asking you to put two and two together," Mr. Bush told Cynthia Mosteller's history class at Alice Deal Junior High School in Northwest Washington. "Make the connection between the homework you do tonight, the tests you take tomorrow, and where you'll be five, 15, even 50 years from now. . . . You're in control." . . .

In one of the few ad-libbed lines of his 10-minute appearance, the president added: "I can't understand for the life of me what's so great about being stupid."

Mr. Bush's speech was part of a broader effort to promote the goals of America 2000, a program that calls for vast improvements in student learning levels by the end of the century. With little new money to put toward the cause, the Bush administration has focused on encouraging students, parents and communities to pressure their schools to meet higher standards.

Perched on a stool in front of a blackboard at the District of Columbia's Alice Deal Junior High School , the president said, "Let me know how you're doing. Write me a letter. I'm serious about this one. Write me a letter about ways you can help us achieve our goals."

"I think you know the address," he added with a smile.


I knew it along. No wonder I suffered from that evil Bush Derangement Syndrome-unlike the goody goody Obama Derangement Syndrome-deniers rampant here since those same righteous sufferers lost their asses in 2008.

I must have hated Bush because of his Socialist/Commie/Pinko left leaning tendencies.

Marshall Bennett
09-08-2009, 09:45 AM
Kids hear more bullshit and are more likely brainwashed from the parents complaining , then they'll get from watching a boring speech from Obama . I'm not defending Obama , I think he's horrible , I just believe a lot of parents these days do a lousy job of raising their kids .

Tom
09-08-2009, 09:52 AM
"I think you know the address," he added with a smile.

1300 Metropolitan St, Leavenworth, KS ? :D

andymays
09-08-2009, 09:52 AM
Michelle Malkin I repeat: It s not the speech, it s the subtext

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/09/07/i-repeat-its-not-the-speech-its-the-subtext/

Excerpt:

It’s not the speech (as I pointed out last week), it’s the subtext.

It’s the radical activism of the White House Teaching Fellows who designed the education guides tied to Obama’s speech.

It’s the overzealousness of public school educators who have turned classrooms into Obama campaign offices.

It’s the influence of the left-wing social justice crusaders of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge on Team Obama.

It’s the Left’s embrace of Obama Chicago pal Bill Ayers’ pedagogical philosophy of “education as the motor-force of revolution.”

It’s the activist tradition of government schools using students as junior lobbyists to pressure legislators for higher education spending, pro-illegal immigration protests, gay marriage, environmental propaganda, and anti-war causes.

Now, who are you calling “kook?”

Tom
09-08-2009, 09:55 AM
I think the left is not too happy that the right has successfully adopted their own techniques - overwhelm the system ( town hall meetings), say it enough and people will believe it, attack people instead of ideas........all the stuff they used against Bush, now it is being used on them!

And the polls show it is working! :lol::lol::lol:

ArlJim78
09-08-2009, 11:00 AM
Michelle Malkin I repeat: It s not the speech, it s the subtext

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/09/07/i-repeat-its-not-the-speech-its-the-subtext/

Excerpt:

It’s not the speech (as I pointed out last week), it’s the subtext.

It’s the radical activism of the White House Teaching Fellows who designed the education guides tied to Obama’s speech.

It’s the overzealousness of public school educators who have turned classrooms into Obama campaign offices.

It’s the influence of the left-wing social justice crusaders of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge on Team Obama.

It’s the Left’s embrace of Obama Chicago pal Bill Ayers’ pedagogical philosophy of “education as the motor-force of revolution.”

It’s the activist tradition of government schools using students as junior lobbyists to pressure legislators for higher education spending, pro-illegal immigration protests, gay marriage, environmental propaganda, and anti-war causes.

Now, who are you calling “kook?”

as usual, Malkin hits the nail on the head. the left has been indoctrinating our kids for years. now they want to mold them into junior community organizers who can help with the census, elections and their pet causes.

cj's dad
09-08-2009, 11:39 AM
10/2/91 (1) Baltimore Sun

Yesterday was one of those occasions (2)White House image-makers love.

(3)They gave their boss the hated task of reading a prepared speech from TelePrompTers but put him into one of his favorite places to do it — a small classroom.

Walking casually around the room as he spoke, President Bush gently exhorted 27 rapt eighth-graders — and pupils watching his televised performance throughout the nation — to take control of their own destinies by making sure they get the most out of school.

(4)The effect was part bully pulpit, part campaign ad. Mr. Bush was simultaneously employing the power of his office in the drive to improve American education and making another bid to focus voter attention on what he considers the centerpiece of his domestic agenda.

"I'm asking you to put two and two together," Mr. Bush told Cynthia Mosteller's history class at Alice Deal Junior High School in Northwest Washington. "Make the connection between the homework you do tonight, the tests you take tomorrow, and where you'll be five, 15, even 50 years from now. . . . You're in control." . . .

In one of the few ad-libbed lines of his 10-minute appearance, the president added: (5)"I can't understand for the life of me what's so great about being stupid."

Mr. Bush's speech was part of a broader effort to promote the goals of America 2000, a program that calls for vast improvements in student learning levels by the end of the century. With little new money to put toward the cause, the Bush administration has focused on encouraging students, parents and communities to pressure their schools to meet higher standards.

Perched on a stool in front of a blackboard at the District of Columbia's Alice Deal Junior High School , the president said, "Let me know how you're doing. Write me a letter. I'm serious about this one. Write me a letter about ways you can help us achieve our goals."

"I think you know the address," he added with a smile.
I knew it along. No wonder I suffered from that evil Bush Derangement Syndrome-unlike the goody goody Obama Derangement Syndrome-deniers rampant here since those same righteous sufferers lost their asses in 2008.

I must have hated Bush because of his Socialist/Commie/Pinko left leaning tendencies.

#1- The Baltimore Sun - one of the most left leaning biased newspapers in the country - even 18 years ago. Note even then how the writer (ha) took pot shots at GWB.

#2- and this president doesn't have image makers :lol:

#3-Teleprompters ?? BO loves 'em

#4-Bully Pulpit - campaign ad ? sounds familiar !!

#5-Cheap shot by the Sun, even for them back then.

mostpost
09-08-2009, 01:04 PM
Did I call you a name here?
Not this time. Besides, who said I was talking about you?

NJ Stinks
09-08-2009, 01:45 PM
Michelle Malkin I repeat: It s not the speech, it s the subtext

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/09/07/i-repeat-its-not-the-speech-its-the-subtext/

Excerpt:

It’s not the speech (as I pointed out last week), it’s the subtext.

It’s the radical activism of the White House Teaching Fellows who designed the education guides tied to Obama’s speech.

It’s the overzealousness of public school educators who have turned classrooms into Obama campaign offices.

It’s the influence of the left-wing social justice crusaders of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge on Team Obama.

It’s the Left’s embrace of Obama Chicago pal Bill Ayers’ pedagogical philosophy of “education as the motor-force of revolution.”

It’s the activist tradition of government schools using students as junior lobbyists to pressure legislators for higher education spending, pro-illegal immigration protests, gay marriage, environmental propaganda, and anti-war causes.

Now, who are you calling “kook?”

Anybody who is buying the above lock, stock, and barrel is a kook in my book.

Snag
09-08-2009, 06:01 PM
Anybody who is buying the above lock, stock, and barrel is a kook in my book.

NJ, color me a kook in your coloring book then.

You can't refute anything Michelle says so you revert to name calling. Who's the kook?

lsbets
09-08-2009, 07:10 PM
Anybody who is buying the above lock, stock, and barrel is a kook in my book.

Proud spokesman of the kook brigade!

Secretariat
09-08-2009, 07:15 PM
I have to say this may have been the funniest thread I have ever read on PA. This defintely is "silly season" in which wingnuts whine and cry about Barack Obama speaking to students (despite other Presidents doing this many times before in the past, and in Reagan's case speaking specifically about policy to kids in school).

It just shows me how easily the rightwing nutcases can be manipulated on such a silly issue. How they march lock step with the propaganda nitwits of FOX and talk radio. They now pat themselves on the back for changing Obama's speech, getting him to tone it down due to their efforts. One could almost bust a gut laughing.

Admit it guys sometimes stupid hysteria can really make you walk away with egg on your face. Next thing they'll be doing is screaming about the evils of Michael Moore without even seeing his film either and espousing things like he hates all capitalists. They couldn't be that stupid to do that this quickly could they? No way. :bang: :bang: :lol:

Black Ruby
09-08-2009, 07:18 PM
NJ, color me a kook in your coloring book then.

You can't refute anything Michelle says so you revert to name calling. Who's the kook?

She's stated her conclusions, not facts. So what's to refute? These people on both sides don't make a living unless they get people worked up so they'll watch them next time or buy their books. How many "classrooms that have been turned into Obama campaign offices" have you personally been in? How many do you think Malkin has been in?

Snag
09-08-2009, 07:21 PM
She's stated her conclusions, not facts. So what's to refute? These people on both sides don't make a living unless they get people worked up so they'll watch them next time or buy their books. How many "classrooms that have been turned into Obama campaign offices" have you personally been in? How many do you think Malkin has been in?

ZERO! How many for you?

Black Ruby
09-08-2009, 07:23 PM
ZERO! How many for you?

zero. So I'm not believin it until or unless I see it. Film from an unbiased source would do, as I'm unlikely to be in the classroom myself.

NJ Stinks
09-08-2009, 07:33 PM
Who's the kook?

I thought I already answered that question. :p

Snag
09-08-2009, 08:24 PM
I thought I already answered that question. :p

Yep! You sure did. We all know you can't point to anything to refute her position so you resort to name calling. I think we all know who it is.

Tom
09-08-2009, 08:55 PM
......One could almost bust a gut laughing.

Yes, Sec.....more than one could! :lol:

mostpost
09-08-2009, 10:36 PM
Michelle Malkin I repeat: It s not the speech, it s the subtext

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/09/07/i-repeat-its-not-the-speech-its-the-subtext/

Excerpt:

It’s not the speech (as I pointed out last week), it’s the subtext.

It’s the radical activism of the White House Teaching Fellows who designed the education guides tied to Obama’s speech.
First of all, the Teaching Fellows work for the Department of Education, not the White House. Second, the activities suggested, even in the original version, are perfectly legitimate school activities. Couching them in terms of "Helping the President" was unwise to say the least. Even if no nefarious intent was meant, it left open the appearance of wrongdoing.


It’s the overzealousness of public school educators who have turned classrooms into Obama campaign offices.
Someone please show me an actual, real life, classroom with Obama campaign workers, Obama phone banks, Obama literature, or even an Obama bumper sticker in it.

It’s the influence of the left-wing social justice crusaders of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge on Team Obama.
I doubt if many here actually researched the Chicago Annenberg Challenge"
Just seeing the name Bill Ayers would have caused most to think. "Just another radical group." Walter Annenberg believed that a good public education was essential to a functioning democracy. Bill Ayers and others were tasked with the job of preparing Chicago's proposal to the Challenge.
This consisted of explaining how the funds would be used by the Chicago Public school system. Ayers philosophy of "Education as the motor force of revolution" is totally irrelevant to that task.
As far as the "Left wing social justice crusaders of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge on team Obama", I looked up several of the members of the board of the CAC and found no one who is presently a member of the Obama administration. I'm sure that Michelle knew that. I am also sure that she knew if she used certain key words and associations, her devotees would fall like leaves in late fall.
It’s the Left’s embrace of Obama Chicago pal Bill Ayers’ pedagogical philosophy of “education as the motor-force of revolution.”
See above
It’s the activist tradition of government schools using students as junior lobbyists to pressure legislators for higher education spending, pro-illegal immigration protests, gay marriage, environmental propaganda, and anti-war causes.
They are not "Government schools", Michelle, they are public schools. They are run by local people and local school boards. They are much more accountable to the people than private schools, which are only accountable to their directors and owners.
Naturally, "Pressuring legislators for higher education spending" would be something you hate, Michelle; since you hate public education and worship private schools.
Now, who are you calling “kook?”
You decide!

mostpost
09-08-2009, 10:48 PM
Sec, jb....what this is very sad. It is sad that THIS president has, in 6 months, alienated so many Americans, that parents are reluctant allow him to talk to their children. Obama has tarnished the office of the president and the dems have tarnished the congress. And most Americans know it and are fed up with the scoundrels.

This is fitting testimony on the Obama approval.

The people who are alienated from President Obama have always been alienated. They, through lies and misinformation, through playing on people's fears and and prejudices, have caused others to question some of Obama's policies and actions.

It is true that Obama has not helped himself. Some people are opposed to him because they are opposed to his plans. They will always hate him. Many of the people who are turning away are doing so because the perceive that he is turning away from what they voted for. These people will come back when he fulfills his vision.

Show Me the Wire
09-08-2009, 10:52 PM
I am alienated because of his political connections. He is part of the corrupt political machine of Cook County, Illinois. I've sounded that warning eons ago.

LottaKash
09-08-2009, 10:55 PM
These people will come back when he fulfills his vision.

"sieg Heil"....:jump:

Show Me the Wire
09-08-2009, 11:06 PM
Oh yeah, also because Obama is a disciple of Alinski. The same applies to Sec. of State Clinton, she is an Alinski disciple too. 'nuff said.

hcap
09-09-2009, 12:38 AM
#1- The Baltimore Sun - one of the most left leaning biased newspapers in the country - even 18 years ago. Note even then how the writer (ha) took pot shots at GWB.

#2- and this president doesn't have image makers

#3-Teleprompters ?? BO loves 'em

#4-Bully Pulpit - campaign ad ? sounds familiar !!

#5-Cheap shot by the Sun, even for them back then.

Ok, you think The Baltimore Sun sucks. They may have embellished the facts somewhat, but they till reported what in fact happened.
Still in doubt?

10/1/91 USA TODAY

President Bush takes to the airwaves today to promote his education goals, a day after the Education Department released a bleak report on students' achievement. Bush is scheduled to make a noontime speech to be carried live by CNN, PBS and Mutual Radio. He'll speak from Alice Deal Junior High School, in Washington's affluent suburb of Chevy Chase, Md.

10/2/91 Cincinnati Post

Bush told students to write him to let him know how they were doing in school and to suggest ways to help achieve his national education goals — to increase the graduation rate, improve student competency and better prepare students for entering school.

10/4/91 Washington Times

Majority Leader Richard Gephardt said Wednesday the Education Department was financing "paid political advertising" by paying technical costs of broadcasting the president's 12-minute speech from Alice Deal Junior High School. . . .

10/3/91 Orlando Sentinel

President Bush gets nearly a quarter-million letters a year from America's schoolchildren. Now he's looking for more. He has appealed to students to write him with ideas for improving their schools. He made the pitch Tuesday at the end of a nationally televised speech from an eighth-grade classroom, urging students to ''make it your mission to get a good education.'' Perched on a stool in front of a blackboard at the District of Columbia's Alice Deal Junior High School , the president said, ''Let me know how you're doing. Write me a letter. I'm serious about this one,'' he emphasized. ''Write me a letter about ways you can help us achieve our goals.'' Bush also exhorted students to insist on ''a first-class education. Take control. Don't say school is boring and blame it on your teachers. Make your teachers work hard. . . . Tell them that you're here to learn.''

10/2/91 San Jose Mercury News

President Bush appealed to students Tuesday to write him with ideas for improving their schools. He made the pitch at the end of a nationally televised speech from an eighth-grade classroom, urging students to "make it your mission to get a good education."

Perched on a stool in front of a blackboard at the District of Columbia's Alice Deal Junior High School , the president said, "Let me know how you're doing. Write me a letter. I'm serious about this one. Write me a letter about ways you can help us achieve our goals."

"I think you know the address," he added with a smile.

Bush exhorted students to insist on "a first-class education."

10/1/91 Cincinnati Post

President Bush visited a Washington junior high school today to deliver a televised appeal to American students to hit the books harder. . . .

Bush's lunchtime address at Alice Deal Junior High School was being broadcast live by CNN and public television, and Education Secretary Lamar Alexander exhorted educators to let their students watch it.



From the the official text of the 1991 speech........

http://bushlibrary.tamu.edu/research/public_papers.php?id=3450&year=1991&month=10

Let me leave you with a simple message: Every time you walk through that classroom door, make it your mission to get a good education. Don't do it just because your parents, or even the President, tells you. Do it for yourselves. Do it for your future. And while you're at it, help a little brother or sister to learn, or maybe even Mom or Dad. Let me know how you're doing. Write me a letter -- and I'm serious about this one -- write me a letter about ways you can help us achieve our goals. I think you know the address.

PaceAdvantage
09-09-2009, 03:59 AM
How good an idea is it to let a known dope post in off topic? :lol:I might have missed it...did Tom call you a name in this thread?

PaceAdvantage
09-09-2009, 04:04 AM
I have to say this may have been the funniest thread I have ever read on PA. This defintely is "silly season" in which wingnuts whine and cry about Barack Obama speaking to students (despite other Presidents doing this many times before in the past, and in Reagan's case speaking specifically about policy to kids in school).

It just shows me how easily the rightwing nutcases can be manipulated on such a silly issue. How they march lock step with the propaganda nitwits of FOX and talk radio. They now pat themselves on the back for changing Obama's speech, getting him to tone it down due to their efforts. One could almost bust a gut laughing.Something is doing a number on Obama's approval rating however...why did you guys post Bush's dropping numbers religiously, yet no talk about Obama's tankage to date:

http://www.paceadvantage.com/images/obama_090609.jpg

JustRalph
09-09-2009, 08:21 AM
Interesting............ I wonder If Obama briefed the kids on the order of succession to the office of Presidency........and I wonder how Nancy Pelosi felt about it..........? From Whitehouse.gov this morning..........

Tom
09-09-2009, 09:02 AM
If Hilary is indeed #3, I feel very sorry for Obama and Biden!:eek::eek::eek:

Black Ruby
09-09-2009, 09:08 AM
I've always thought of Hillary more as a #2

mostpost
09-09-2009, 01:37 PM
If Hilary is indeed #3, I feel very sorry for Obama and Biden!:eek::eek::eek:
She is fourth behind Biden, Pelosi and Byrd (vice president, speaker of the house, president pro tempore of the Senate , Secretary of State).
The picture and list only dealt with cabinet members.

Tom
09-09-2009, 01:51 PM
Duh.

ddog
09-09-2009, 01:52 PM
Something is doing a number on Obama's approval rating however...why did you guys post Bush's dropping numbers religiously, yet no talk about Obama's tankage to date:

http://www.paceadvantage.com/images/obama_090609.jpg


it's a forgone conclusion, only the rate of drop is left to determine.

No prez will survive this economy or the NEXT one.

get ready.

:eek:


yeah, i know , 1001 now.
I can only point it out to the new and the blind and hope they take measures.
That's what I can do for bama!
:D

Marshall Bennett
09-09-2009, 02:10 PM
It's all Bush's fault !! :)

Secretariat
09-09-2009, 02:37 PM
You got to love Michelle Malkin:


"Michelle Malkin I repeat: It s not the speech, it s the subtext.."

Obama: Stay in school, and work hard.

Malkin subtext: "Become a commie."

Obama: You have a responsibility to become the best you can be.

Malkin subtext: "Seig heil. I love Hitler and Karl marx is my leader."

:bang: :bang: :bang:

What a bunch of dimwits. I should try and refrain from name calling, but in this case there is just no other words for these people. Dimwits, dittoheads, idiots.

OK, now onto the polls which PA suddenly seems so interested in after the last eight years of watching GW plummet.

Obama's got two main issues he's balancing and it has led to a decline in his polls, but by whom? Democrats? Surprisingly, not that deep.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/president_obama_poll_numbers_continue_ZfsME3M5Zklm 1KoxTV1phK

According to Rasmussen:

"With the war in Afghanistan worsening and the president pushing for an overhaul of the health-care system that includes a government-run insurance program, voters have become increasingly disenchanted with Obama over the past few weeks.

Differences of opinion, however, come down across party lines as 81 percent of Democrats approve of the job Obama is doing, according to Rasmussen.

By comparison, 83 percent of Republicans disapprove. "

Republicans have always disapproved. The drops are coming from the independent sector.

"Nowhere has that loss of confidence been as profound as it has been among highly valued independent voters.

Among those who are not part of either party, a whopping 66 percent disapprove of the job Obama is doing, according to the poll.

The Rasmussen Reports poll also found that 55 percent of those polled believe that the war in Afghanistan will get worse during the next six months."

Frankly, I have reservations about Obama, but it's because he is way too centrist and not progressive enough. He is so far from the claims of the right wing nutcases it's astounding. If anything he's too damn accomodating.

Tom
09-09-2009, 03:00 PM
Here's a clue for you, Sec....it doesn't matter what the truth is, only what
people believe it is. We have enough people believing Obama is evil and hating what he says and that is all that mattes. You should be familiar with the tactic. If you are not, stay tuned, we are from done - we will destroy this pig just like you guys did with Bush.

Seen how close OBs approval rating is getting to Bush's? :lol::lol::lol:
Those who have turned away, even if your claim that it is 80% repubs - makes the difference in the next elections.

Show Me the Wire
09-09-2009, 03:25 PM
Here's a clue for you, Sec....it doesn't matter what the truth is, only what
people believe it is. We have enough people believing Obama is evil and hating what he says and that is all that mattes. You should be familiar with the tactic. If you are not, stay tuned, we are from done - we will destroy this pig just like you guys did with Bush.

Seen how close OBs approval rating is getting to Bush's? :lol::lol::lol:
Those who have turned away, even if your claim that it is 80% repubs - makes the difference in the next elections.

Yes, like Obama was groomed by a corrupt political machine, Obama surrounds himself with socialists, communists, radicals, and U.S. haters, and Obama is a disciple of Alinski.

OOPS, wrong tactic. I stated actual truths. :lol:

ddog
09-09-2009, 04:30 PM
gee, drop Bush into that last one and it works just as well.

If you don't think so, get real.
"The bush" just hid it a little better, that's all.

show me the wolf as a wolf not a wolf as a sheep.

I can deal with the wolf once I know it's a wolf.

Bush bama - same pack - this ones just more transparent.

Show Me the Wire
09-09-2009, 06:55 PM
ddog:

Lighten up. Have you no sense of humor? My posting is dry humor playing off Tom's post regarding Alinski like strategy.


Tell a lie enough people will believe the lie is true. For example, the tatic of repeated lying, Obama has better judgment than Clinton. If it is repeated enough people will believe it.

The OOPS I used the wrong tactic line was the punch line :lol:

PaceAdvantage
09-09-2009, 11:39 PM
ddog:

Lighten up.That's impossible. He's the only man in the room who knows when and how the world will end.

juanepstein
09-09-2009, 11:46 PM
http://radiofreecanada.us/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/obama-emptysuit.jpg