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newtothegame
08-25-2009, 04:41 AM
Sure...just keep printing more money......:bang:


Latest in Stimulus: 'Cash for Refrigerators'

Coming this fall, a clunkers-type program to boost sales of energy-efficient home appliances will authorize rebates of $50 to $200

A $300 million cash-for-clunkers-type federal program to boost sales of energy-efficient home appliances provides a glimmer of hope for beleaguered makers of washing machines and dishwashers, but it's probably not enough to lift companies such as Whirlpool (WHR (http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/snapshot/snapshot.asp?symbol=WHR)) and Electrolux (http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/snapshot/snapshot.asp?capId=526391) out of the worst down cycle in the sector's history.

Beginning late this fall, the program authorizes rebates of $50 to $200 for purchases of high-efficiency household appliances. The money is part of the broader economic stimulus bill passed earlier this year. Program details will vary by state, and the Energy Dept. has set a deadline of Oct. 15 for states to file formal applications. The Energy Dept. expects the bulk of the $300 million to be awarded by the end of November. (Unlike the clunkers auto program, consumers won't have to trade in their old appliances.)

"These rebates will help families make the transition to more efficient appliances, making purchases that will directly stimulate the economy," Energy Secretary Steven Chu said in a statement announcing the plan. Only appliances covered by the Energy Star seal will qualify. In 2008, about 55% of newly produced major household appliances met those standards, which are set by the Energy Dept. and Environmental Protection Agency.

The money can't come soon enough for the home appliance industry, which is mired in an unprecedented sales slump that began when the housing market cooled in 2006. Since then that slump has worsened considerably. Shipments of washers, dryers, refrigerators, and ovens dropped 10% in 2008 and are down 15% through July, according to the Association of Home Appliance Manufacturers (http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/snapshot/snapshot.asp?capId=24885759). "It's brutal," says Raymond James (RJF (http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/snapshot/snapshot.asp?symbol=RJF)) analyst Sam Darkatsh.

a marketing push around rebates

The leading appliance makers have felt the pinch. Whirlpool of Benton Harbor, Mich., which controls about 40% of the U.S. market, has seen its sales drop 20% through the first two quarters of this year. North American shipments for its Stockholm-based rival Electrolux, meanwhile, have dropped for a dozen consecutive quarters. Both companies have laid off hundreds of workers, and General Electric (GE (http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/snapshot/snapshot.asp?symbol=GE)) mulled shutting down an entire refrigerator plant earlier this year until deciding to keep it open with a reduced workforce.

Not surprisingly, appliance makers cheered the news. Electrolux spokesman Tony Evans calls the federal program a "great opportunity to encourage consumers to replace their old appliances." Lately, cash-strapped consumers have chosen to repair, rather than replace, hobbled dishwashers and other water-intensive appliances, according to industry analysts. Electrolux says it is readying "aggressive" marketing programs that will run parallel with the rebates, and it's reasonable to expect appliance makers and retailers will devise additional discounts to amplify the rebates' appeal. "We will be ready to go when the new incentive programs hit the market," Evans said.

Unlike the popular, $3 billion cash-for-clunkers vehicle program, which ends on Aug. 24, there's no guarantee that hard-hit consumers are prepared to plump for new washers, stoves, and fridges. The federal outlay will piggyback on rebate programs for energy-saving appliances that have existed for years in more than 25 states, but which have largely failed to spur demand. Home improvement retailers like Home Depot (HD (http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/snapshot/snapshot.asp?symbol=HD)) and Lowe's (LOW (http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/snapshot/snapshot.asp?symbol=LOW)) have also offered deep discounts on big-ticket appliances lately, with little impact.

"The cash-for-clunkers [program] had a discernible value proposition for the consumer, because he knows how much his [clunker] is worth," says Darkatsh, the Raymond James analyst. "With appliances, there is no trade-in. You can walk into Home Depot and get a great deal on a home appliance any time you want one. Why would it drum up sales now?" Laura Champine, an analyst with Cowen & Co. (COWN (http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/snapshot/snapshot.asp?symbol=COWN)), agrees. "I'm not sure if it will be as powerful as cash for clunkers because there is something compelling about that $4,500 discount," she says. "Also, a new car is more fun than a new dishwasher. So I'm not sure if it will be as much of a driver, but any driver is welcome right now."

Stock Market Overreaction

Analysts also believe that the stock market's reaction to the program is overblown. Whirlpool's shares rose 6% on Aug. 20 when news of the program circulated, and climbed another 5% the following session. "That's silly," says Darkatsh. He estimates that in a best-case scenario the rebates will equate to about $240 million in incremental sales for Whirlpool. But that's unlikely, as it assumes that every American buying under the voucher program would not have done so otherwise. "The vast majority would have bought them anyway," as purchases of appliances such as fridges and washing machines are far less discretionary than, say, cars or big-screen televisions, Darkatsh says.

The recession's ability to blunt the program's impact was underscored by a call to the California Energy Commission to discuss its approach to the rebate program. The entire state office is on unpaid furlough each Friday in August; no one picked up the telephone.

Boyle (matthew_boyle@businessweek.com) is deputy Corporations editor for BusinessWeek.

newtothegame
08-25-2009, 04:44 AM
:bang: :bang:


Cash for Refrigerators, Cash for Appliances to Begin Fall 2009 (http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=4654)

By Ignatius Reilly


Now that the Cash for Clunkers (http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=4654#) program is over, your tax dollars will begin funding the Cash for Refrigerators and Appliances program later in 2009. The Cash for Refrigerators and Appliances plan will be funded by the Energy Department, and is an effort to get people to move to more energy efficient appliances.

http://www.rightpundits.com/wp-content/photos/Cash_For_Refrigerators.jpg (http://www.rightpundits.com/?pp_album=main&pp_cat=&pp_image=Cash_For_Refrigerators.jpg)

Steven Chu Introduces Cash for Refrigerators


As reported here (http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/aug2009/db20090821_304909.htm), the government (http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=4654#) will be offering a Cash for Refrigerators and Appliances program so you can trade (http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=4654#) in your old energy-consuming refrigerator, washer/dryer, etc. for a new efficient one. Steven Chu, the Secretary of Energy, will oversee the program.

How much money are we talking about? It’s $50 to $200, depending on the appliance that you’re turning in. The whole program will run about $300 million, considerably less than the $2 to 3 billion that the Cash for Clunkers program cost you.



$50 to $200 may not sound like much, since it’s not as much as the $4500 the government was offering for old cars in the Cash for Clunkers program. However, considering that most old appliances are worthless and can’t be sold for anything, the government is essentially offering something for nothing.

The payments will be rebates to purchase new appliances. While it’s been dubbed “Cash for Refrigerators” by the press, it also applies to other appliances, most importantly washer/dryers, which consume a huge amount of energy.

Is another government program what we need here? Will this really get job creation going? So far nothing that Obama has done has gotten people working again.

This is the wrong approach. Government welfare in the long run does not do the economy any good. Get people working, get them paychecks, create an environment that encourages innovative products, and then people will buy appliances again.

The only thing this encourages is a bigger waste of your tax dollars.

lamboguy
08-25-2009, 04:49 AM
:bang: :bang:


Cash for Refrigerators, Cash for Appliances to Begin Fall 2009 (http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=4654)

By Ignatius Reilly


Now that the Cash for Clunkers (http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=4654#) program is over, your tax dollars will begin funding the Cash for Refrigerators and Appliances program later in 2009. The Cash for Refrigerators and Appliances plan will be funded by the Energy Department, and is an effort to get people to move to more energy efficient appliances.

http://www.rightpundits.com/wp-content/photos/Cash_For_Refrigerators.jpg (http://www.rightpundits.com/?pp_album=main&pp_cat=&pp_image=Cash_For_Refrigerators.jpg)

Steven Chu Introduces Cash for Refrigerators


As reported here (http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/aug2009/db20090821_304909.htm), the government (http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=4654#) will be offering a Cash for Refrigerators and Appliances program so you can trade (http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=4654#) in your old energy-consuming refrigerator, washer/dryer, etc. for a new efficient one. Steven Chu, the Secretary of Energy, will oversee the program.

How much money are we talking about? It’s $50 to $200, depending on the appliance that you’re turning in. The whole program will run about $300 million, considerably less than the $2 to 3 billion that the Cash for Clunkers program cost you.



$50 to $200 may not sound like much, since it’s not as much as the $4500 the government was offering for old cars in the Cash for Clunkers program. However, considering that most old appliances are worthless and can’t be sold for anything, the government is essentially offering something for nothing.

The payments will be rebates to purchase new appliances. While it’s been dubbed “Cash for Refrigerators” by the press, it also applies to other appliances, most importantly washer/dryers, which consume a huge amount of energy.

Is another government program what we need here? Will this really get job creation going? So far nothing that Obama has done has gotten people working again.

This is the wrong approach. Government welfare in the long run does not do the economy any good. Get people working, get them paychecks, create an environment that encourages innovative products, and then people will buy appliances again.

The only thing this encourages is a bigger waste of your tax dollars.i got to be the bigest dope in america, i just bought a stove yesterday without the program!

newtothegame
08-25-2009, 12:21 PM
Yeah...gee, I can't wait....

I am thinking the step daughter needs new appliances :)

Greyfox
08-25-2009, 12:25 PM
Are my false chompers an appliance?:lol:

ddog
08-25-2009, 12:26 PM
do the grand planners not realize that when you offer incentives , they soon become MANDATORY and people will not buy without them.

Check the auto makers for proof of this.

Once you start this kind of incentive the people will not buy without it and will VOTE themselves more and more of them in the future.

It's not a sustainable course of action, but the vast vast majority of people in this country stopped worrying about that WHEN if affects THEM years ago.

I have no doubts it will be a roaring success.


Party on peeps.

:lol:

illinoisbred
08-25-2009, 12:50 PM
do the grand planners not realize that when you offer incentives , they soon become MANDATORY and people will not buy without them.

Check the auto makers for proof of this.

Once you start this kind of incentive the people will not buy without it and will VOTE themselves more and more of them in the future.

It's not a sustainable course of action, but the vast vast majority of people in this country stopped worrying about that WHEN if affects THEM years ago.

I have no doubts it will be a roaring success.


Party on peeps.

:lol:True,this creates a false market. If you were in the market to buy a new car would you buy today or tomorrow?No,I'd figure there would be another cash-for-clunkers sometime down the road.

boxcar
08-25-2009, 02:23 PM
This is just a big con game. All these "cash for..." schemes are designed to inflate key economic indicator numbers. This way, BO gets to con everyone that we're out of the recession.

Boxcar

ddog
08-25-2009, 02:33 PM
I am going out on the proverbial limb.

I think we are "out of this recession".

I also think you will not be able to tell it by what goes on "on the ground".

The load that has to be carried has already broken the camels back.

The debt projections out from the CBO are WAY low unless we get a repeal of any laws that have obtained for thousands of years.

They are junk.

Go back and look at the projections from the previous admins and the CBO projections of a couple of MONTHS ago.

They are so far off they may as well be on Pluto.

This thing is toast.

If their projections are true and even close to the mark then we will need to use around 80% of revenue to pay JUST THE INTEREST on this in 10 years.

Can't do it.

Won't work.

Why WHy WHY.

The same idiots who couldn't see this coming and helped set the stage for it are running the show.