Finally, Conservatives Have Their Freedom Fighters

[andymays]

Opposition to ObamaCare has birthed the protest movement the right never had.

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/finally-conservatives-have-their-freedom-fighters/

Excerpt:

Yet while such protests and protesters have been a characteristic of the left since the 1960s, it’s safe to say there’s a new wind blowing across not only the plains and wheat fields of heartland America, but also across major cities in Democrat-controlled states like Illinois, Massachusetts, and Pennsylvania. In these states and many others, protesters are showing up at congressional town hall meetings for something other than $400 or a tank of gas. They’re showing up to fight for freedoms they believe proponents of ObamaCare are poised to take away through an agenda that’s more about taking over health care than reforming it.

And just as the Vietnam War was a watershed moment that witnessed the emergence of the left’s protest culture, bloggers, newshounds, and political junkies can’t help but note that the appearance of politically conservative protesters at town hall meetings is a watershed moment in our time as well.
These are protesters with callused hands, American flags on their t-shirts, and a deep love for the country our Founders designed and which Ronald Reagan promoted as “a shining city on a hill.”

[hcap]

Opposition to ObamaCare has birthed the protest movement the right never had.

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/finally-conservatives-have-their-freedom-fighters/

Excerpt:

Yet while such protests and protesters have been a characteristic of the left since the 1960s, it’s safe to say there’s a new wind blowing across not only the plains and wheat fields of heartland America, but also across major cities in Democrat-controlled states like Illinois, Massachusetts, and Pennsylvania. In these states and many others, protesters are showing up at congressional town hall meetings for something other than $400 or a tank of gas. They’re showing up to fight for freedoms they believe proponents of ObamaCare are poised to take away through an agenda that’s more about taking over health care than reforming it.

And just as the Vietnam War was a watershed moment that witnessed the emergence of the left’s protest culture, bloggers, newshounds, and political junkies can’t help but note that the appearance of politically conservative protesters at town hall meetings is a watershed moment in our time as well.
These are protesters with callused hands, American flags on their t-shirts, and a deep love for the country our Founders designed and which Ronald Reagan promoted as “a shining city on a hill.” So Hippies are a now showing up at town halls mysteriously in cohoots and aligned with the "birthers" and "deathers". So the whole sixties was nothing but a pretend movement. Hippies are really republicans playing liberals to throw off the press. So Bob Dylan actually wrote Blowing In the Wind in homage to them good ole' boys with shotguns in dirty pickups, cruising around with a few six packs?

So, conservative hippies now the watershed moment?
Maybe........ In fact here are some original "conservativeippies" giving Reagan and Ford their marching orders back then...

http://www.vidiots.us/uploaded_images/Reagan-Ford-Bob_web-795336.jpg


Blowing in the wind eh?
More like passing wind.

[andymays]

So Hippies are a now showing up at town halls mysteriously in cohoots and aligned with the "birthers" and "deathers". So the whole sixties was nothing but a pretend movement. Hippies are really republicans playing liberals to throw off the press. So Bob Dylan actually wrote Blowing In the Wind in homage to them good ole' boys with shotguns in dirty pickups, cruising around with a few six packs?

So, conservative hippies now the watershed moment?
Maybe........ In fact here are some original "conservativeippies" giving Reagan and Ford their marching orders back then...

http://www.vidiots.us/uploaded_images/Reagan-Ford-Bob_web-795336.jpg


Blowing in the wind eh?
More like passing wind.


So I guess you don't like what the article has to say! :eek:

Protesting is good an honorable for the left right (no pun intented)? :eek:

How many times did we hear the left say how great it is to "speak truth to power" during the Bush years? :eek:

Now, all of a sudden it's un-american. :eek:

Not too many war protesters these days are there? :eek:

Looks like Cindy Sheehan is the only one. Funny how that happens when Obama is President. :D

[hcap]

When you guys are able to really write a protest song, I will reconsider.

But don't confuse Dylans' "Blowing in The Wind", a cultural game changer with folks who think Sarah Palin got it right about death panels, or still think birth certificates are worth arguing about. Sure there is some real debate going on, but it ain't the sixties.

How about a march on Washington? How many would show up?
How many would get tear gassed or a nightstick upside their head?
How many would be shot as in Kent state?
How many would be murdered in cold blood for marching in Mississippi?
Town hall protesters are a bunch of babies compared to those of us who went thru' those times. Yeah right, "blowin' in the wind" then, slight breeze now. Your comparison is really lacking depth.

Town hall vocalists are not as informed by facts as they are by fear.
Thanks to you all guys.

[andymays]

When you guys are able to really write a protest song, I will reconsider.

But don't confuse Dylans' "Blowing in The Wind", a cultural game changer with folks who think Sarah Palin got it right about death panels, or still think birth certificates are worth arguing about. Sure there is some real debate going on, but it ain't the sixties.

How about a march on Washington? How many would show up?
How many would get tear gassed or a nightstick upside their head?
How many would be shot as in Kent state?
How many would be murdered in cold blood for marching in Mississippi?
Town hall protesters are a bunch of babies compared to those of us who went thru' those times. Yeah right, "blowin' in the wind" then, slight breeze now. Your comparison is really lacking depth.

Town hall vocalists are not as informed by facts as they are by fear.
Thanks to you all guys.

So are you saying Conservative protesters would be more credible if they were violent? And even more credible if they were singing during their violent protests? :lol:

[lsbets]

Hcap does much better when he uses cartoons. When he tries to use his own words, he comes up lacking.

[hcap]

The comparison of town hall protesters to anti war or civil rights marchers is a bit of a stretch. Even for you gentlemen.

So are you saying Conservative protesters would be more credible if they were violent? And even more credible if they were singing during their violent protests? Go back and check who were violent. The millions who protested in the 60's, or the government?

Singing protest songs? Maybe whistling Glen Becks theme?

[jonnielu]

Town hall vocalists are not as informed by facts as they are by fear.
Thanks to you all guys.

Now with this, you have finally issued some statement based in truth. Except that everyone in this country is more informed by fear than facts, law, or history.

We are a nation divided by fear, and as long as this remains, the evil that works through the federal government will triumph.

All sides are gathered separately to be spoon fed varying diets of fear and bullshit, by their respective media heroes. All busy 24/7 pumping bullshit designed to keep people, no matter their afilliations, as deer in the headlights.

So that they will all decide, out of fear, that it is too risky to once again unite in the common cause of freedom and the rights of mankind.

jdl

[DJofSD]

The comparison of town hall protesters to anti war or civil rights marchers is a bit of a stretch. Even for you gentlemen.

Go back and check who were violent. The millions who protested in the 60's, or the government?

Singing protest songs? Maybe whistling Glen Becks theme?

Nobody does it better
Makes me feel sad for the rest
Nobody does it half as good as you
Baby, you're the best

[Steve 'StatMan']

Put the blame and the shame in the name of the other party.
Put the blame and the shame on the people in charge before thee.
Fantasize for yourself how your plans would work out so perfectly
By putting the blame and the shame on the man who came before thee.

Put the blame and the shame on the people who have more money.
Put the blame and the shame on who have more then thee.
Think about just yourself and and other folks who're similarly
And put the blame and the shame on the people who have more than thee.

[Black Ruby]

Now with this, you have finally issued some statement based in truth. Except that everyone in this country is more informed by fear than facts, law, or history.

We are a nation divided by fear, and as long as this remains, the evil that works through the federal government will triumph.

All sides are gathered separately to be spoon fed varying diets of fear and bullshit, by their respective media heroes. All busy 24/7 pumping bullshit designed to keep people, no matter their afilliations, as deer in the headlights.

So that they will all decide, out of fear, that it is too risky to once again unite in the common cause of freedom and the rights of mankind.

jdl

I basically agree. It's to the benefit of those who would run the country to keep us divided and arguing among ourselves rather than paying attention to what's really being done to us.

As to healthcare, while I'm not in favor of the current proposals, we need reform for these simple reasons:

Percentage change since 2002 in average premiums paid to large US health-insurance companies: +87%

Percentage change in the profits of the top ten insurance companies: +428%

Chances that an American bankrupted by medical bills has health insurance: 7 in 10.

[Tom]

If we really want health care reform then we need to drop this entire Obama crap and focus on REAL problems and REAL solutions. We need to address what is broken and forget about tinkering with what is working. The gov needs to do the stuff right now that they can do - tort reform, open up purchasing policies out of state, look at drug price ceilings like Canada has....stuff that will hve major impact and can be done immediately. But if they do that, they will not have the case to take over everything.

Perhaps they could take a few billion in pork out of the porkulous bill and direct it to catastrophic insurance. Maybe dingy Harry will give up his choo choo train in Vegas. Maybe Nacy will give up her worm farm.

Any odds that they do anything? :lol:

[boxcar]

The comparison of town hall protesters to anti war or civil rights marchers is a bit of a stretch. Even for you gentlemen.

Go back and check who were violent. The millions who protested in the 60's, or the government?

Singing protest songs? Maybe whistling Glen Becks theme?

And who instigated the violence? C'mon, 'cap, you know better. Misguided, ill-tempered, and socially-challenged drugged up peaceniks are among the most violent groups on the planet. And now you -- the premier statist on this forum -- is complaining about the government protecting property and life. :bang: :bang: Geesh, 'cap, I guess you only have your luv fest with Big Gov when you want it to protect your idiotic ideas of what a right is. :bang: :bang: But you know what, 'cap, you can't have it both ways. When you lay down with a harlot like Nanny, you gotta take her for better or for worse. Those are her rules. You just don't know it, and probably never will.

Boxcar

[jballscalls]

protestors are usually douchebags who don't have jobs and just need something to do. I remember at WTO in Seattle, it was a circus, and 80 percent of the nootniks there didn't even know what they were protesting.

protest with your vote

[boxcar]

Now with this, you have finally issued some statement based in truth. Except that everyone in this country is more informed by fear than facts, law, or history.

We are a nation divided by fear, and as long as this remains, the evil that works through the federal government will triumph.

All sides are gathered separately to be spoon fed varying diets of fear and bullshit, by their respective media heroes. All busy 24/7 pumping bullshit designed to keep people, no matter their afilliations, as deer in the headlights.

So that they will all decide, out of fear, that it is too risky to once again unite in the common cause of freedom and the rights of mankind.

jdl

Would you mind listing for me what the "rights of mankind" are?

Boxcar

[Warren Henry]

When you guys are able to really write a protest song, I will reconsider.

But don't confuse Dylans' "Blowing in The Wind", a cultural game changer with folks who think Sarah Palin got it right about death panels, or still think birth certificates are worth arguing about. Sure there is some real debate going on, but it ain't the sixties.

How about a march on Washington? How many would show up?
How many would get tear gassed or a nightstick upside their head?
How many would be shot as in Kent state?
How many would be murdered in cold blood for marching in Mississippi?
Town hall protesters are a bunch of babies compared to those of us who went thru' those times. Yeah right, "blowin' in the wind" then, slight breeze now. Your comparison is really lacking depth.

Town hall vocalists are not as informed by facts as they are by fear.
Thanks to you all guys.
If the current administration jams through healthcare the way they want it and cap & trade the way they want it, you ain't seen nothin' yet. Our protesters will be military trained and armed.

And, about some of the marches on Washington. Had you looked carefully at the crowds you would have seen that more of the folks had short haircuts and military issue glasses than beards and peace symbols. Many of us who were stationed in the area put on our grubbies just to go see what was going on. You guys up front lighting the fires on the steps of the government buildings then running for your lives may have thought you had a big crowd of supporters, but most of us were laughing at you. Most of the protesters that I knew personally in those days were actually just guys afraid of being drafted and maybe having to face actual danger. Posturing Pansys we called them.

[boxcar]

If the current administration jams through healthcare the way they want it and cap & trade the way they want it, you ain't seen nothin' yet. Our protesters will be military trained and armed.

And, about some of the marches on Washington. Had you looked carefully at the crowds you would have seen that more of the folks had short haircuts and military issue glasses than beards and peace symbols. Many of us who were stationed in the area put on our grubbies just to go see what was going on. You guys up front lighting the fires on the steps of the government buildings then running for your lives may have thought you had a big crowd of supporters, but most of us were laughing at you. Most of the protesters that I knew personally in those days were actually just guys afraid of being drafted and maybe having to face actual danger. Posturing Pansys we called them.

:lol: :lol: :lol: Go get 'em, tiger. Great post!

Boxcar

[Tom]

What do you suppose our Founding Fathers were like in 1774?
Hippies or tea party people?

Remember, the hippies never stopped the war. They failed. They burned out.
Our FF took on the greatest empire on the face of the earth and here we are today.

[Black Ruby]

What do you suppose our Founding Fathers were like in 1774?
Hippies or tea party people?

Remember, the hippies never stopped the war. They failed. They burned out.
Our FF took on the greatest empire on the face of the earth and here we are today.

Not really a valid comparison, because the FF's weren't having to battle United Defense, Northrop Grumman, and all the other corporations who profit from wars.

[toetoe]

andy,

Don't you know they don't count as legitimate "peaceful" ( :lol: ) protesters ? Now, if they want to attack policemen and destroy millions of dollars' worth of property (preferably Starbucks and other capitalistic enterprises) at, for example, the G-8 Summit, they just might be accepted as legitimate, peaceloving ( :lol: ) populistic fighters of the good fight.

[toetoe]

Not really a valid comparison, because the FF's weren't having to battle United Defense, Northrop Grumman, and all the other corporations who profit from wars.

So no one profited from war in the 18th century ? Wow, I did not KNOW that. That is some wild, wacky (not to mention irrational and incredible) STUFF. (:drumming pencil on desk.)

[andymays]

andy,

Don't you know they don't count as legitimate "peaceful" ( :lol: ) protesters ? Now, if they want to attack policemen and destroy millions of dollars' worth of property (preferably Starbucks and other capitalistic enterprises) at, for example, the G-8 Summit, they just might be accepted as legitimate, peaceloving ( :lol: ) populistic fighters of the good fight.

The hypocrisy on the part of the left is off the charts! But it's to be expected. :eek:

[Black Ruby]

So no one profited from war in the 18th century ? Wow, I did not KNOW that. That is some wild, wacky (not to mention irrational and incredible) STUFF. (:drumming pencil on desk.)

So what corporations profitted from the Revolutionary War?

[toetoe]

People have profited from war from time immemorial. Do you really intend to stick to your nitpicking guns, basing an argument on the letter of your overnarrow wording ? Or shall we debate the merits of the broader, legitimate issue ? I'm not denying the sins of unscrupulous, stonehearted corporate beancounters, just your willingness to believe that they invented it, that it's not a large part of human nature.

I will try to finger some corporations of yore:

Dutch East India Company, established 1602; arguably the world's first megacorporation;

Hudson Bay Trading Company: We've Got Your Outfit, Eh ?;

Kwok Brothers Fine Teas, Opium and Barely Legal Harlots;

Fikawi Tribe Tipis and Bloodletting: We'll Keep Your Wigwam, Blood Brother;

Cameroon Temporary Services, a Division of Serf's Up Helot Handlers: Don't Be Afraid of the Dark.

[NJ Stinks]

If the current administration jams through healthcare the way they want it and cap & trade the way they want it, you ain't seen nothin' yet. Our protesters will be military trained and armed.



Just in case you forgot. You lost the election. BIG. Obama is now following through on the platforms he ran on. That's how it works in a democracy.

[lsbets]

Just in case you forgot. You lost the election. BIG. Obama is now following through on the platforms he ran on. That's how it works in a democracy.


That's right. Do not dissent. Obey Lord Obama. He won. He can now do whatever he wants. Anyone who causes problems will be reported.

[NJ Stinks]

You guys up front lighting the fires on the steps of the government buildings then running for your lives may have thought you had a big crowd of supporters, but most of us were laughing at you. Most of the protesters that I knew personally in those days were actually just guys afraid of being drafted and maybe having to face actual danger. Posturing Pansys we called them.

We had words for guys like you too. I have tons more respect for people protesting an absurd "police action" that was costing thousands of lives for no good reason than I do people worried about money (a max 4.6% tax increase on the wealthiest Americans) at a time when our country is deeply in debt.

Yea, I'm looking carefully at the crowds, Warren. :rolleyes:

[NJ Stinks]

That's right. Do not dissent. Obey Lord Obama. He won. He can now do whatever he wants. Anyone who causes problems will be reported.

In case you missed it, Isbets, Warren said: "Our protesters will be military trained and armed."

What is that? A new kind of acceptable dissent? :rolleyes:

[Track Collector]

Just in case you forgot. You lost the election. BIG. Obama is now following through on the platforms he ran on. That's how it works in a democracy.

We have been through this before. Folks did not realize until after the election that voting for Obama and "the platforms" he represented involved total destruction of the current systems with subsequent replacement by a control hungry government. Slick, rock-star status and history-making dude fooled the masses. Now there is buyer's remorse and many more don't like what is coming around the corner. In a democracy, folks have right to speak out and oppose that which they disagree with. The current situation is a lot like one of CJ's Dad's recent signature lines. "My tie caught fire and a guy tried to put it out with an axe!". The current administration is like the guy with the axe, who will kill the patient in their effort ot "help" him. Then again, "help" has different meanings, pending a given group's perspective. :rolleyes:

[boxcar]

In case you missed it, Isbets, Warren said: "Our protesters will be military trained and armed."

What is that? A new kind of acceptable dissent? :rolleyes:

What do you think the 2nd Amendment is all about -- you know the part about bearing arms? :rolleyes: The primary reason behind the amendment is to protect ourselves against tyranny. The Founders kinda had this innate distrust toward government. :rolleyes:

Boxcar

[Warren Henry]

Just in case you forgot. You lost the election. BIG. Obama is now following through on the platforms he ran on. That's how it works in a democracy.
We lost because we let our guys stray from our core principles. We grew disenchanted with our guys and did not put up a proper candidate. Thus, you won by default. If you think for a minute that the majority of the people want these statist programs implemented, keep watching and keep your eyes open.

[Marshall Bennett]

We lost because we let our guys stray from our core principles. We grew disenchanted with our guys and did not put up a proper candidate. Thus, you won by default. If you think for a minute that the majority of the people want these statist programs implemented, keep watching and keep your eyes open.
Unfortunately , Obama's base doesn't care how bad he is . He'll lose some support , but for the most part , they'll care about as much about his policies and character as they did before the last election .

[boxcar]

Unfortunately , Obama's base doesn't care how bad he is . He'll lose some support , but for the most part , they'll care about as much about his policies and character as they did before the last election .

But it's even worse than this -- far worse. The MSM will also support him no matter what. Here's the bottom line: The first elected black president of the U.S. will not be allowed to fail. He cannot be the first black failure in the oval office. The immense ramifications to failure are manifold. No matter what happens, this president will be billed and portrayed as a huge success story by the MSM because he is, first and foremost, the trailblazer for future black presidential candidates.

Boxcar

[JustRalph]

" military trained and armed."

Acceptable since 1776 !!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

[nvemil]

Not too many war protesters these days are there? :eek:
Looks like Cindy Sheehan is the only one. Funny how that happens when Obama is President. :D

The "in the tank for BO media" have very short memories.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/ABCs-Charles-Gibson-to-Cindy-Sheehan-Thanks-for-your-sacrifice-Now-get-lost-53803917.html

[andymays]

The "in the tank for BO media" have very short memories.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/ABCs-Charles-Gibson-to-Cindy-Sheehan-Thanks-for-your-sacrifice-Now-get-lost-53803917.html


Nice! :ThmbUp:

[PaceAdvantage]

That's right. Do not dissent. Obey Lord Obama. He won. He can now do whatever he wants. Anyone who causes problems will be reported.I believe the very same left-leaners were saying the same about Bush in 2004....NOT....