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Warren Henry
08-22-2009, 08:51 PM
I received the following text as an email from a friend. I couldn't tell for sure where she got it. I removed the name of the writer and her husband from the text so that my posting of this in a public place would not give them any unnecessary publicity (whether or not they desire it).

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What Really Happened Last Week in Montana This was originally sent by someone in Bozeman , MT who was there.

Why do we tolerate this? Hello All, By now you have probably heard that President Obama came to Montana last Friday. However, there are many things that the major news has not covered. I feel that since my husband and I live here and we were at the airport on Friday I should share some facts with you. Whatever you decide to do with the information is up to you. If you chose to share this email with others I do ask that you DELETE my email address before you forward this on. On Wednesday, August 5th it was announced locally that the President would be coming here. There are many groups here that are against his healthcare and huge spending so those groups began talking and deciding on what they were going to do. The White House would not release ANY details other than the date. On about Tuesday my husband found out that they would be holding the "Town Hall" at the airport. (This is only because my husband knows EVERYONE at the airport) Our airport is actually located outside of Belgrade (tiny town) in a very remote location. Nothing is around there. They chose to use a hangar that is the most remotely located hangar. You could not pick a more remote location, and you can not get to it easily. It is totally secluded from the public. FYI: We have many areas in Belgrade and Bozeman which could have held a large amount of folks with sufficient parking (gymnasiums/auditoriums). All of which have chairs and tables, and would not have to be SHIPPED IN!! $$$$$ During the week, cargo by the TONS was being shipped in constantly. Airport employees could not believe how it just kept coming. Though it was our President coming several expressed how excessive it was, especially during a recession. $$$$$ Late Tuesday/early Wednesday the 12th, they said that tickets would be handed out on Thursday 9am at two locations and the president would be arriving around 12:30 Friday. Thursday morning about 600 tickets were passed out. However, 1500 were printed at a Local printing shop per White House request. Hmmmm......900 tickets just DISAPPEARED. This same morning someone called into the radio from the local UPS branch and said that THOUSANDS of Dollars of Lobster were shipped in for Obama. Montana has some of the best beef in the nation!!! And it would have been really wonderful to help out the local economy. Anyone heard of the Recession?? Just think...with all of the traveling the White House is doing. $$$$$ One can only imagine what else we are paying for. On Friday my husband and I got out to the airport about 10:45am. The groups that wanted to protest Obama's spending and healthcare had gotten a permit to protest and that area was roped off. But that was not to be. A large bus carrying SEIU (Service Employees International Union) members drove up onto the area (illegal)and unloaded right there. It was quite a commotion and there were specifically 2 SEIU men trying to make trouble and start a fight. Police did get involved and arrested the one man but they said they did not have the manpower to remove the SEIU crowd. The SEIU crowd was very organized and young. About 99% were under the age of 30 and they were not locals! They had bullhorns and PROFESSIONALLY made signs. Some even wore preprinted T-shirts. Oh, and Planned Parenthood folks were with them.....professing abortion rights with their T-shirts and preprinted signs. (BTW, all these folks did have a permit to protest in ANOTHER area). Those against healthcare/spending moved away from the SEIU crowd to avoid confrontation. They were orderly and respectful. Even though SEIU kept coming over and walking through, continuing to be very intimidating and aggressive at the direction of the one SEIU man. So we had Montana folks from ALL OVER the state with their homemade signs and their DOGS with homemade signs. We had cowboys, nurses, doctors you name it. There was even a guy from Texas who had been driving through. He found out about the occasion, went to the store, made a sign, and came to protest. If you are wondering about the press.....Well, all of the major networks were over by that remote hangar I mentioned. They were conveniently parked on the other side of the buildings FAR away. None of these crowds were even visible to them. I have my doubts that they knew anything about the crowds. We did have some local news media around us from this state and Idaho . Speaking of the local media...they were invited. However, all questions were to be turned into the White House in advance of the event. Wouldn't want anyone to have to think off the top of their head. It was very obvious that it was meant to be totally controlled by the White House. Everything was orchestrated down to the last detail to make it appear that Montana is just crazy for Obama and government healthcare. Even those people that talked about their insurance woes........the White House called our local HRDC (Human Resource and Development Committee) and asked for names. Then the White House asked those folks to come. Smoke and mirrors...EVERYTHING was staged!!!!!!!!!!! I am very dismayed about what I learned about our current White House. The amount of control and manipulation was unbelievable. I felt I was not living in the United States of America , more like the USSR !! I was physically nauseous. My husband and I have been around when Presidents or Heads of State visit. It has NEVER been like this. I am truly very frightened for our country. America needs your prayers and your voices. If you care about our country please get involved. Know the issues. And let Congress hear your voices again and again!! If they are willing to put forth so much effort to BULLY a small town one can only imagine what is going on in Washington DC . Scary!! Name Removed Bozeman, Montana

Trijack
08-22-2009, 09:01 PM
I checked Snopes on this and they said "research in progress".I have heard that Snopes leans to the left, we shall see.

Warren Henry
08-22-2009, 09:31 PM
Two of my friends have adult children who live there. I have asked them for clarification on what may or may not have happened there.

Tom
08-22-2009, 09:37 PM
Numerous plants and staged events by the lefties have been uncovered and proven. So far, not a one against the REAL AMERICANs telling their representatives to STFU.

The more people who hate their government, the better off we all are.

kenwoodallpromos
08-22-2009, 10:44 PM
Is this new? You mean other (Repub Pres) did not limit access? Were all the Bush speeches at military bases in my dreams? Oh yeh, Bush wanted protection in case Hussein fired a nuke at him!LOL!!

Tom
08-22-2009, 10:50 PM
Bush never hired people to stand up and ask scripted questions.

boxcar
08-22-2009, 11:00 PM
Is this new? You mean other (Repub Pres) did not limit access? Were all the Bush speeches at military bases in my dreams? Oh yeh, Bush wanted protection in case Hussein fired a nuke at him!LOL!!

So visits to the troops = town hall meetings open to the general public? Are you really serious? You might wanna rethink that kind of twisted analogy.

Boxcar

mostpost
08-23-2009, 12:09 AM
So visits to the troops = town hall meetings open to the general public? Are you really serious? You might wanna rethink that kind of twisted analogy.

Boxcar
I think his analogy makes perfect sense. Any speeches Bush made that weren't at military bases were at million dollar a plate fund raisers. He could have said "the cow jumped over the moon" and they would have cheered.
And Bush never had any Town Hall meetings open to the general public. I tried to sit through one of his press conferences and his stumblebum answers and I ended up beating my head against the wall.

NJ Stinks
08-23-2009, 12:33 AM
Dick Cheney came to my county while campaigning in 2004. All who came to protest the war were kept at least over 500 yards away on a side road far from the public high school gym that was used. In the local paper the next day people complained bitterly that they never even saw his car coming or going.

And GWB's goons had people removed outside town meetings because their teeshirts were not politically correct. Nowadays people show up Obama town halls with guns. And you wonder why things were staged in Montana?

Right.

boxcar
08-23-2009, 12:38 AM
I think his analogy makes perfect sense. Any speeches Bush made that weren't at military bases were at million dollar a plate fund raisers. He could have said "the cow jumped over the moon" and they would have cheered.
And Bush never had any Town Hall meetings open to the general public. I tried to sit through one of his press conferences and his stumblebum answers and I ended up beating my head against the wall.

So, what? Bush didn't do "town hall" meetings. And he never billed his fund raisers or visits to military bases as such. But BO is having these kinds of meetings and is calling them "town hall meetings", is he not? And by definition a town hall meeting is open to the public, consists mainly of questions and answers, and is generally easily accessible to the public -- and not off on some unknown, hard-to-get-to, unbeaten path. What sense does it make to hold these kinds of l meetings if very few people know how to get there, and then the tickets are rationed out to boot? It was clearly a staged, orchestrated event where BO drones only were welcomed.

Boxcar

boxcar
08-23-2009, 12:44 AM
Dick Cheney came to my county while campaigning in 2004. All who came to protest the war were kept at least over 500 yards away on a side road far from the public high school gym that was used. In the local paper the next day people complained bitterly that they never even saw his car coming or going.

And GWB's goons had people removed outside town meetings because their teeshirts were not politically correct. Nowadays people show up Obama town halls with guns. And you wonder why things were staged in Montana?

Right.

You really need to beg, borrow or steal a clue. A campaign speech isn't a town hall meeting either.

And you and Mosty needs to get your heads together. Mosty complains Georgie never did town hall meetings. Now you complain that all of George's town hall meetings were staged to be politically correct. Talk about Dumb and Dumber! :bang: :bang:

Boxcar

kenwoodallpromos
08-23-2009, 01:58 AM
So visits to the troops = town hall meetings open to the general public? Are you really serious? You might wanna rethink that kind of twisted analogy.

Boxcar
Yes, I'm serious- First, O'Bama's meeting was by ticket invitation, and it was not held in a town square, hall, or whatever.
Employees? Who do you think Bush was "Commander-in-Chief" of? Do you think the military does not get paid and were not in Bush's downward chain of command? When I was in, my paycheck was signed by Reagan's Treasury Secretary. I was his employee, just like the green dudes and dudettes were employed by Bush.

wes
08-23-2009, 10:27 AM
Thats right the boons replaced GWB's goons!

wes

mostpost
08-23-2009, 12:38 PM
You really need to beg, borrow or steal a clue. A campaign speech isn't a town hall meeting either.

And you and Mosty needs to get your heads together. Mosty complains Georgie never did town hall meetings. Now you complain that all of George's town hall meetings were staged to be politically correct. Talk about Dumb and Dumber! :bang: :bang:

Boxcar
NJ and I are together over here in the land of the enlightened. I didn't say "Georgie never did town hall meetings" I said he never did town meetings that were open to the general public. In any way. His audiences were strictly supportes and syncophants. I know someone posted a video here recently of someone yelling at one of Bush's speeches. That lasted about a minute and they were escorted out. Obama answers questions that differ from his point of view and he does it quite well regardless of your opinion.

boxcar
08-23-2009, 12:59 PM
Yes, I'm serious- First, O'Bama's meeting was by ticket invitation, and it was not held in a town square, hall, or whatever.
Employees? Who do you think Bush was "Commander-in-Chief" of? Do you think the military does not get paid and were not in Bush's downward chain of command? When I was in, my paycheck was signed by Reagan's Treasury Secretary. I was his employee, just like the green dudes and dudettes were employed by Bush.

But it was billed as a "town hall" meeting, was it not? Tickets or no tickets? Invitations or no invitations. And, yes, that was exactly my point. It wasn't held in a "town square hall"! Why not!?

Again, for the record: I loathe these phony, rehearsed, staged events. (If I want to be entertained, I'll pay good money to see something I want see and hear.) These kinds of events are self-serving and are an insult to any thinking person. They're designed to cover up politicians' duplicity. Period. End of story.

And so what are you saying about the military? Are you saying that Bush really wasn't that popular with the military? That military personnel were required to feign support because they were on the government payroll?

Boxcar

Tom
08-23-2009, 03:53 PM
Bush never put people in crowds to ask questions that were planted to make it look like he was getting approval, like Obama had done repeatedly, while at the same time, illegally using taxpayer money to sent out emails to perpetuate his lies about health care.

Get a life you two - it is not remotely close to the same thing. You guys rare really reaching and you both need a good dictionary.

Warren Henry
08-23-2009, 05:06 PM
OK, STOP.

It doesn't matter any more what Bush did or did not do. Even if he behaved just as badly as Obama, that doesn't justify going down the road the direction Obama is trying to push us.

Obama is a liar and manipulator. If we don't wake up soon, we will all pay a horrible price.

mostpost
08-23-2009, 06:09 PM
OK, STOP.

It doesn't matter any more what Bush did or did not do. Even if he behaved just as badly as Obama, that doesn't justify going down the road the direction Obama is trying to push us.

Obama is a liar and manipulator. If we don't wake up soon, we will all pay a horrible price.
So you get an e-mail from someone, who got it from someone else and neither of you know who the person is who wrote the original. And neither of you know if any of the allegations made in the e-mail are true. Yet you believe all of it. No proof, no verification, you just know it's true.
On the other hand, Obama tells you can keep your present insurance, and there is nothing in any of the bills that says otherwise. But you "know he is lying. It's a trick!!! :bang: If something supports your position you believe it without question. If something disproves your positin it is a lie.

As to the e-mail itself. They printed 1500 tickets but only gave out 600. Conspiracy :eek: Could it be they were unfamiliar with how many people the facility held, or maybe sopmeone told them 1500 and they found later it was only 600. The cost of printing 1500 tickets is probably $20 more than 600.
Then some anonymous person calls a radio station and claims to be at UPS and claims that Thousands of dollars of Lobster has been shipped in for Obama. Perfectly in keeping with your cries of "Elitist" Yet no other source has this story. Or should I say fairy tale. On the one hand the author of the e-mail rails against the excessive control of the event, on the other she portrays the Obama camp as so out of touch they wouldn't realize the message shipping in Lobster would create.
The author would have us believe every one in Montana was opposed to Obama and his health care plan. Even if this were true, consider the population of the state. Chances are the only people not at the town hall, were the author and three cowboys tending the cattle.

Tom
08-23-2009, 06:10 PM
Yes, do we stand by or do we stand up?

mostpost
08-23-2009, 06:12 PM
Bush never put people in crowds to ask questions that were planted to make it look like he was getting approval, like Obama had done repeatedly, while at the same time, illegally using taxpayer money to sent out emails to perpetuate his lies about health care.

Get a life you two - it is not remotely close to the same thing. You guys rare really reaching and you both need a good dictionary.
Of course he didn't, :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

You need to get a new internet service provider. I don't pay for my e-mails. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Tom
08-23-2009, 06:19 PM
You never cease to amaze me.:rolleyes:

Show me ONE proven instance where Bush put a plant in an audience to ask the right question.

When do do mass e mailings, it has a cost associated with it. Being both a union boy and government worker, I assume the idea of costs is foreign to you. Trust me, outside your little union/government world, people pay for things.

mostpost
08-23-2009, 07:45 PM
You never cease to amaze me.:rolleyes:

Show me ONE proven instance where Bush put a plant in an audience to ask the right question.

When do do mass e mailings, it has a cost associated with it. Being both a union boy and government worker, I assume the idea of costs is foreign to you. Trust me, outside your little union/government world, people pay for things.
http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1916189,00.html
Excerpt:
In a departure from the invitation-only presidential town halls of the previous Administration, the White House is not screening town-hall attendees.
There were more plants at a Bush Town hall than at a convention of Botanists.

As far as tolerence for opposing views>.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10969-2005Mar29.html
Excerpt:
Three Denver residents yesterday charged that they were forcibly removed from one of President Bush's town meetings on Social Security because they displayed a bumper sticker on their car condemning the administration's Middle East policies.

The three, all self-described progressives who oppose Bush's Social Security plan, said an unidentified official at an event in Denver last week forced them to leave before the president started to speak, even though they had done nothing disruptive, said their attorney, Dan Recht.

Tom
08-23-2009, 09:38 PM
Duh. Invitation only - you don't get it, do you?

mostpost
08-23-2009, 10:04 PM
Duh. Invitation only - you don't get it, do you?
What don't I get.
Previous administration=the George Bush Administration
Invitation only=I'm inviting my friends; everyone else stay away.

The White House=The Obama Administration
Not screening attendees=everyone is welcome; friend or foe.

Seems pretty clear to me.

Rookies
08-23-2009, 10:10 PM
What don't I get.
Previous administration=the George Bush Administration
Invitation only=I'm inviting my friends; everyone else stay away.

The White House=The Obama Administration
Not screening attendees=everyone is welcome; friend or foe.

Seems pretty clear to me.
Perfectly clear to me. Tom, there have been audience plants since before the Magna Carta. Whether you invite only your closest friends and exclude or straight arm your enemies, it's the name of the game and known to most of us forever...

Warren Henry
08-23-2009, 10:16 PM
Why not talk about the guy in there now? He is the one running the scam now. We going to hold his feet to the fire or keep arguing about whether or not someone else before him acted improperly too?

I would bet that if all of us on the right laid down and said - OK, Bush was a bad guy, you guys on the left would still rather talk about him than the sins of your current guy.

mostpost
08-23-2009, 10:58 PM
Why not talk about the guy in there now? He is the one running the scam now. We going to hold his feet to the fire or keep arguing about whether or not someone else before him acted improperly too?

I would bet that if all of us on the right laid down and said - OK, Bush was a bad guy, you guys on the left would still rather talk about him than the sins of your current guy.
Because Tom keeps saying Bush never planted questions. :rolleyes:
Has Obama ever planted questions? Maybe. Has Obama taken questions from those who disagreed with him? Definitely.

rastajenk
08-23-2009, 11:05 PM
And then they get the full joetheplumber treatment. :mad:

dav4463
08-24-2009, 12:15 AM
It is amazing to me that every time a democrat screws up; every thread ends up bashing Bush instead of bashing the democrats who are screwing up.

NJ Stinks
08-24-2009, 02:43 AM
It is amazing to me that every time a democrat screws up; every thread ends up bashing Bush instead of bashing the democrats who are screwing up.

And it amazes me that the same people bashing Obama about setups and controlled crowds said zip when Bush did it for 8 years.

Come on, Dave, you must find that a tad two-faced too. No?

rastajenk
08-24-2009, 09:29 AM
But Obama is The One whose mantra is Change.

Tom
08-24-2009, 10:12 AM
It is amazing to me that every time a democrat screws up; every thread ends up bashing Bush instead of bashing the democrats who are screwing up.

Predictable, though! :lol:

Trijack
08-24-2009, 10:56 AM
Click below for Snopes answer.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/montana.asp

Tom
08-24-2009, 11:06 AM
Never heard of any of that stuff. What I was talking about was one of the questioners - not sure now it was the little girl or the phony doctor,but she was outed as being an Obama supporter or delegate. So many have been outed, I can't keep track anymore.

boxcar
08-24-2009, 12:13 PM
Never heard of any of that stuff. What I was talking about was one of the questioners - not sure now it was the little girl or the phony doctor,but she was outed as being an Obama supporter or delegate. So many have been outed, I can't keep track anymore.

Actually, the little girl's mother was a big BO supporter and contributor.

Boxcar

dav4463
08-24-2009, 11:55 PM
And it amazes me that the same people bashing Obama about setups and controlled crowds said zip when Bush did it for 8 years.

Come on, Dave, you must find that a tad two-faced too. No?

Obama does it so blatantly and then tries to pass it off as just being a "regular guy"...it's a joke!

NJ Stinks
08-25-2009, 12:04 AM
Obama does it so blatantly and then tries to pass it off as just being a "regular guy"...it's a joke!

And that's not GWB to a T? :p

dav4463
08-27-2009, 12:35 AM
And that's not GWB to a T? :p

GWB IS a regular guy.

sandpit
08-27-2009, 08:03 AM
GWB IS a regular guy.

That is wholly dependent on one's definition. If by regular guy you mean a person who likes to hunt and fish and sit on the front porch, then he certainly is. On the other hand, growing up in an oil rich family, your dad as director of the CIA and going to an Ivy League school; that is out of the realm of regular.

dav4463
08-29-2009, 12:25 AM
I know a lot of regular guys who grew up in rich families and went to the expensive schools, but they remain regular guys.

PaceAdvantage
08-30-2009, 03:21 AM
Nowadays people show up Obama town halls with guns.Yes, and I'm sure they're allowed to get within spitting distance of the President.

Right.

Seriously, how far away are all these "guys with guns" at these town halls?

boxcar
08-30-2009, 12:05 PM
I know a lot of regular guys who grew up in rich families and went to the expensive schools, but they remain regular guys.

With me it was the other way around. I was an "irregular" guy who grew up in a pretty poor family, but as fate would have it attended good parochial schools, finally became "rich" and remained irregular just out of spite. :D

Boxcar