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Wolfbane
08-13-2009, 05:17 PM
Can anyone recommend any sites for handicapping Yonkers? Thanks and good luck!
Ray2000
08-13-2009, 06:40 PM
Wolfbane
I particularly like Bobby Z's site (not a Forum) because it's one of the few places that post their running ROI for the year(s).
http://mysite.verizon.net/r.zanakis/index.htm
Anne is good at Yonkers with Exacta 2 boxes. Roi .99 is excellent considering Bobby Z's analysts are forced to pick all races.
http://mysite.verizon.net/r.zanakis/stats/anne_yonkers.htm
Good Luck
RaceTrackDaddy
08-13-2009, 11:49 PM
Ray2000
Was just strolliing by and noticed that your reference to the site. Thank you so much. We are in it for the fun of the game.
Have you been to the new Meadows facility yet?
racetrackdaddy
camfella
08-14-2009, 12:03 AM
Wolfbane-thats your one post? Yonkers is a prety simple,just use the morning line and you should be able to hit a 1% ROI, I would not pay for that type of return, unless this was just a setup question as I thought Ray was a capper on the bobbyz site? At least lets be straight forward in these posts,buy the post or Harness Eye ,and for god sake pick the ones you like. Yonkers can be a track that will give you a lot of action,but long term you must hunt for overlays. It can be done but takes more discipline than most are willing to give-Camfella,
Geewhiz
08-14-2009, 05:47 AM
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By your statements I see you've never been to Bobby Z's site--yet that doesn't keep you from commenting---as usual. Do you have even a vague understanding of ROI and take out??????????????? I THINK NOT!
You couldn't do it for a month Camfella---let alone a year. List selections in ALL RACES and posted publicly AT LEAST 8 hours before 1st post time.
My selections are posted for Yonkers every Thursday, Friday and Saturday night. Do you have the balls to do the same??? I suspect yours are at the same place Cam Fella's ended up.
Ray2000
08-14-2009, 07:03 AM
RaceTrackDaddy
You're welcome, a very nice site. I saw that you were considering laying it to rest, I'm glad it's back, even on a limited basis.
I was regular patron at the Meadows back in the Eighties, but haven't made it to the new track as yet. The picture in my Avatar is "DannyLad", a trotter I co-owned with Terry O'Brien, I miss those days....
Camfella
I have no connection to Bobby Z's picks, Just trying to answer a new member's question. When I first started internet wagering back in 2000, I tracked several web picking sites for Harness, both the free sites and "pay for pick" subscriptions. To list the results now would be unfair. I do like the sites that have the courage to list their roi, (Like Pandy did in his Great Adventure).
BTW
Yonkers starters (2567) in my base for 2008 whose Morning Line was 3/1 or lower returned -16.9% (.83 roi)
For 5/2 ML or lower (780) ... -11.7% (.88)
I haven't done the numbers for 2009 as yet but there may be a new guy doing the ML. ML picks are now listed in the 6/5-9/5 range.
LottaKash
08-14-2009, 12:10 PM
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By your statements I see you've never been to Bobby Z's site--yet that doesn't keep you from commenting---as usual. Do you have even a vague understanding of ROI and take out??????????????? I THINK NOT!
You couldn't do it for a month Camfella---let alone a year. List selections in ALL RACES and posted publicly AT LEAST 8 hours before 1st post time.
My selections are posted for Yonkers every Thursday, Friday and Saturday night. Do you have the balls to do the same??? I suspect yours are at the same place Cam Fella's ended up.
Ouch, Geewhiz....but your record "is" quite remarkable given the constraints they you are imposed in....
I doubt there are many posters here that could match or improve on your record, under any conditions.....Your "roi" is quite remarkable still, given some of the junk and unplayable races that are carded regularly....
Good stuff, keep on....
best,
Geewhiz
08-14-2009, 12:24 PM
Thank you for your support, Lotta Kash. (I actually had a mare at Pompano one winter named Alotta Kash! But that's another story...)
It's not easy having to make selections for every race. As you said, some of the races are pretty crappy looking on paper. For some reason though, it seems those are the races I do better with. Races I really like and look forward to betting tend to have bad results :(
Geewhiz
08-14-2009, 12:38 PM
"Once good handicapping is achieved, the ultimate struggle takes place within the horseplayer"................
Ever thought about the fact that there's a fair amount of people out there that are good at handicapping, but don't know how to put their ticket together?
The best handicapper I ever met went to grade school with my father. Back in the days when tracks charged admission, if the doors opened at 6 he was in line at 5:45. He clocked every warm up and made copious notes on the warm ups and the races themselves. (He died in the early 1980's so this was before computers and the internet came into play.) When a horse he liked was in where he thought he should win, he would make his own line. And he bet only to win! If he thought the horse should be 3-1 and the horse was 5-2, the money stayed in his pocket. There were times when he didn't feel the odds were right and it would be a month or more between bets. He not only supported a wife and 6 kids with his gambling, he paid cash for a brand new Cadillac every year.
LottaKash
08-14-2009, 12:41 PM
Thank you for your support, Lotta Kash. (I actually had a mare at Pompano one winter named Alotta Kash! But that's another story...)
It's not easy having to make selections for every race. As you said, some of the races are pretty crappy looking on paper. For some reason though, it seems those are the races I do better with. Races I really like and look forward to betting tend to have bad results :(
I like crappy races as well, just not too crappy, that is...My best scores usually come from the "very best horses" and the "very least horses"....I especially, love to find an edge in those types of events (the cheap ones more so)....When I do, and the crowd is falling in love with some dumb and cheap 3/5 shot, or an unqualified wished for champion, oh boy !.....
Isn't it amazing how sometimes the crowd can make an el-cheapo type horse 2/5.....I mean, "Mr. Big" at 3/5 seems legit, but, "Mr. Bad" unhunh....I love to attack those races....Of course, "picking & publishing" ahead of time, doesn't allow for the luxury of knowing of the "crowds big mistakes" ahead of time....That is what makes your record even the more remarkable...!!!
You are for real, and your record speaks for itself....:jump:
best,
RaceTrackDaddy
08-14-2009, 05:45 PM
RaceTrackDaddy
You're welcome, a very nice site. I saw that you were considering laying it to rest, I'm glad it's back, even on a limited basis.
I was regular patron at the Meadows back in the Eighties, but haven't made it to the new track as yet. The picture in my Avatar is "DannyLad", a trotter I co-owned with Terry O'Brien, I miss those days....
Ray
I recall Danny Lad. Terry O'Brien is one character. Back in 1985, he was stabled on the otherside of the barn of Randy Bendis. We would cookout for holidays back then as they had afternoon racing. Terry would find his way over to celebrate with us.
I got a couple pages from Adios 85, 07 and 09. You can get a feel for the new place or long for the old place, if you check them out.
Adios85 (http://mysite.verizon.net/r.zanakis/pictures/Adios85.htm)
Adios_07 (http://mysite.verizon.net/r.zanakis/pictures/Adios_07.htm)
Adios_09 (http://mysite.verizon.net/r.zanakis/pictures/Adios_09.htm)
If you are a member of Pandy's group on Yahoo, I have some pics from this year's adios there too.
I miss the old place but with the higher purse stucture by way of the slots, I can learn to love this place as much as the old.
I just might keep the site open though with less tracks for the remainded of the year. Should be able to keep Mea, Moh/Wdb, Har/Dover, YR and probably be adding Ppk on the 9th. Last year having all those flat tracks made it hard.
Thanks again.
RTD
camfella
08-14-2009, 08:37 PM
[QUOTE=Ray2000]RaceTrackDaddy
Camfella
I have no connection to Bobby Z's picks, Just trying to answer a new member's question. When I first started internet wagering back in 2000, I tracked several web picking sites for Harness, both the free sites and "pay for pick" subscriptions. To list the results now would be unfair. I do like the sites that have the courage to list their roi, (Like Pandy did in his Great Adventure).
Sorry Ray ,I had thought that you were the Ray from Z's site,I'll take you at your word-Camfella
Geewhiz
08-14-2009, 09:03 PM
Isn't it amazing how sometimes the crowd can make an el-cheapo type horse 2/5.....I mean, "Mr. Big" at 3/5 seems legit, but, "Mr. Bad" unhunh....I love to attack those races....Of course, "picking & publishing" ahead of time, doesn't allow for the luxury of knowing of the "crowds big mistakes" ahead of time....That is what makes your record even the more remarkable...!!!
>>>>>>>>>> That is actually one of my favorite angles! If a "real" handicapper (NOT CAM FELLA) picks a long shot of the day, it means that for some reason he or she finds the "favorite" vulnerable for some reason. I will seldom if ever bet the favorite to win in those races.
A few weeks ago at Yonkers (I think--but it might have been Mohawk) I picked a LSD and he finished 3rd at around 30-1. The horse that ended up winning paid $45. The big favorite was 2nd at $1.90-1. The trifecta came back $1900!!!!
Speaking of long shots----any one see the 6th at Yonkers tonight? I had #7 My Miss Bliss picked for 2nd. Kimmelman fell asleep at the controls but she came flying out of the parking lot to grab 2nd at 47-1. (Paid $32.60 to place.) If she draws inside next start and/or loses Kimmelman she's a definite play back. (Of course Kimmelman will help the price :lol: )
At any rate, not having too bad a night at Yonkers. Hope some of you are able to make a score :)
Geewhiz
08-14-2009, 09:17 PM
I screwed up. These are my actual picks for tonight:
http://mysite.verizon.net/r.zanakis/picks/yxxfri.htm
Friday, August 14, 2009
By Anne Stepien
Yonkers Raceway Retention Rates WPS Ex/DD Tri Super Pk3 Other
18% 20% 25% 25% 25% 25%
1
5 2 6
2
4
Long Shot of Day 6 8
3
2
Best Bet 7 6 4
4
2 7 4
5
2 7 1
6
5 3 7
7
2 1 3 6
8
5 3 1
9 6 7 1
10 5 7 6
11 7 1 3
12 2 3 4
13 3 1 7 6
In the 6th I actually had #7 My Miss Bliss picked for 3th. Here are the race results. (Was quite a nice trifecta box!) Thanks for the encouragement Camgeldedfella--I LOVE BEING ORDINARY!!!!!!!
Yonkers on Aug 14 2009
Race 6 F& M NW $12,000 IN LAST 6 STARTS (L) TREATED ONE MILE Dirt
Purse: $27000.00
# Name Jockey/Driver Win Place Show
3 Im Betting On You Pat Lachance 3.70 3.10 2.10
7 My Miss Bliss Michael Kimelman 32.60 8.40
5 P H Dreamer Jason Bartlett 2.40
Bet Type Runners Pay Out
Exacta 3/7 150.00
Trifecta 3/7/5 524.00
Pick 4 2/7/4/3 232.50
camfella
08-14-2009, 09:36 PM
there you go you now... will be much happier accepting,ordinary,it's no sin, so your top pick was third,live with it,or are you saying we should disregard your top pick? why didnt you pick the winner first? I thought you consider yourself an expert,hahaha,ya right. over the hill loudmouth tout redboarder...woulda coulda shoulda same old story, sickening,live with your top choices or dont come on here and try to spin it-CF
The only thing anyone should accespt is your ROI on your top choices to WIN, not 4th in a superfecta, frickin touts,hate em, Yonkers an acceptable ROI for paid picks is to me close to 10%, anyone can breakeven-CF
Saratoga_Mike
08-14-2009, 09:49 PM
The only thing anyone should accespt is your ROI on your top choices to WIN, not 4th in a superfecta, frickin touts,hate em, Yonkers an acceptable ROI for paid picks is to me close to 10%, anyone can breakeven-CF
What is her ROI?
camfella
08-14-2009, 09:57 PM
What is her ROI?
1% which is average,(I think that's what Z said) no sin as I say, just dont make it seem more than it is, the prices suck at Yonkers which doesnt help, I realize, BUT dont sell picks only showing 1%, and dont give me the "I gotta make picks in all the races" so dont then , just give facts, and live with it,I say to her-CF
Saratoga_Mike
08-14-2009, 10:02 PM
1% which is average,(I think that's what Z said) no sin as I say, just dont make it seem more than it is, the prices suck at Yonkers which doesnt help, I realize, BUT dont sell picks only showing 1%, and dont give me the "I gotta make picks in all the races" so dont then , just give facts, and live with it,I say to her-CF
Just to be perfectly clear, you're saying if I made 10,000 $2 bets on her selections, I would make $200?
Aren't there rebate shops that offer Yonkers that might provide a 5% to 10% rebate if I were to bet heavily? It seems like that could be a nice return, no? Am I way off on rebate percentages?
Geewhiz
08-14-2009, 10:16 PM
Saratoga Mike,
The running ROI's on all tracks and all types of bets are posted on the web site.
Saratoga_Mike
08-14-2009, 10:31 PM
I have to ask: do you two know each in real life?
Wolfbane
08-14-2009, 10:44 PM
Thanks somuch Ray2000 for the sites. Camfella I have to say I amnot very up to knowledge on the trotters. I don't even understand your "set up question" reference. If I offended anyone in any way I apologize. I usually bet Belmont and Aqueduct and have no problem finding tons of sites with great info. I am a newbie in this arena. Thanks again for making me feel welcome Ray2000. wolfbane
camfella
08-14-2009, 10:53 PM
I have to ask: do you two know each in real life?
I apologize Mike, I only know her from the internet,
Saratoga_Mike
08-14-2009, 10:57 PM
I apologize Mike, I only know her from the internet
You play Yonkers exclusively? I used to play YR a lot in 1991/2. I've never been an all-the-races-are-fixed conspiracy theorist, but the tote board for about 6 months back in 1992 told you just that. Actually was there not an FBI sting at one point? Do I have the wrong track? I apologize if I don't. You bet professionally?
camfella
08-14-2009, 11:02 PM
Thanks somuch Ray2000 for the sites. Camfella I have to say I amnot very up to knowledge on the trotters. I don't even understand your "set up question" reference. If I offended anyone in any way I apologize. I usually bet Belmont and Aqueduct and have no problem finding tons of sites with great info. I am a newbie in this arena. Thanks again for making me feel welcome Ray2000. wolfbane
Sorry Wolfbane , what I mean by "setup" is that people who "tout" or sell picks will often post an innocent question to "set up" the referral to that site, if you say that that was not your intention,I accept that on your word. Being a newbie I can tell you that buying picks is not the answer,unless it's a one night thing and you have no interest in learning to handicap. Buying picks with out the explainations is not useful to you learning to handicap. Look for the many sites where you can get picks WITH comments, then you will learn. Some touts just list a few obvious horses and then throw a random longshot in their 2nd,3rd,or 4th picks just so they can claim them as a "win" and inflate their returns,or feature than as Anne did earlier when her 3rd choice won,good luck, and I should say there are many competent handicappers on here for free, take advantage of that-CF
camfella
08-14-2009, 11:18 PM
You play Yonkers exclusively? I used to play YR a lot in 1991/2. I've never been an all-the-races-are-fixed conspiracy theorist, but the tote board for about 6 months back in 1992 told you just that. Actually was there not an FBI sting at one point? Do I have the wrong track? I apologize if I don't. You bet professionally?
Mike ,I used to play there, I found it too much work for too little return, I play the big pool/big tracks only now, I am involved in harness racing, whoops giving away my identity,CF
Saratoga_Mike
08-14-2009, 11:21 PM
Mike ,I used to play there, I found it too much work for too little return, I play the big pool/big tracks only now, I am involved in harness racing, whoops giving away my identity,CF
If I remember correctly, CamFella was from Canada, right? So I assume you play Mohawk and Woodbine? My father trained harness horses about 40 yrs ago - raced at Saratoga.
Wolfbane
08-14-2009, 11:23 PM
No problem. I don't use sites where you have to pay. I find it more interesting to hear from the regulars and see how they do. It is like reading a great book. That is all. I know I am totally out of my element right now and was looking for people who had a clue....unlike me. I am looking to learn the trotter program book. It is different that the flats. God I hope it doesn't take me as long as it did to learn the flats.
camfella
08-14-2009, 11:25 PM
If I remember correctly, CamFella was from Canada, right? So I assume you play Mohawk and Woodbine? My father trained harness horses about 40 yrs ago - raced at Saratoga.
Yes thats one of the tracks I like for pool size, I have been to Saratoga very nice place, the speed there has really improved , I notice, do you still go there?CF
Saratoga_Mike
08-14-2009, 11:28 PM
Yes thats one of the tracks I like for pool size, I have been to Saratoga very nice place, the speed there has really improved , I notice, do you still go there?CF
I follow t'bred racing much more closely now, but I go to the harness track (Saratoga Raceway and Gaming - they have slots) occasionally. Half mile harness racing is really tough to bet on.
camfella
08-14-2009, 11:36 PM
No problem. I don't use sites where you have to pay. I find it more interesting to hear from the regulars and see how they do. It is like reading a great book. That is all. I know I am totally out of my element right now and was looking for people who had a clue....unlike me. I am looking to learn the trotter program book. It is different that the flats. God I hope it doesn't take me as long as it did to learn the flats.
Wolfbane -my advice is keep it simple, look at certain factors,certain drivers, and trainers, just go by what you think makes sense, then branch out from there, read the stats page and learn some tendencies, most of what is comprised in a program may not be all that valuable, find and answer the question "what leads me to believe that we have a better than average hope of a good effort?" changes, drivers, trainers,post positions to the good, drop in class etc, that will keep you in the action. I also advise that you bet to win only to start,track your results, if you win why, if you lose why,that will give you some things to do,and for god sake have fun and wager within your means-CF
camfella
08-14-2009, 11:43 PM
I follow t'bred racing much more closely now, but I go to the harness track (Saratoga Raceway and Gaming - they have slots) occasionally. Half mile harness racing is really tough to bet on.
I love the T-breds as well, the Harness tracks are getting harder to play, the Meadowlands has really gone down hill, but the next few Saturdays are worth watching, Chester has a great card on Sunday. 1/2 milers really not my thing anymore, too much speed favoring, I usually end up playing exactas, but you can hit 5 of them, and lose money.CF
Saratoga_Mike
08-14-2009, 11:46 PM
I love the T-breds as well, the Harness tracks are getting harder to play, the Meadowlands has really gone down hill, but the next few Saturdays are worth watching, Chester has a great card on Sunday. 1/2 milers really not my thing anymore, too much speed favoring, I usually end up playing exactas, but you can hit 5 of them, and lose money.CF
Yeah I was at the Meadowlands for the Hambo last weekend. I think the slot-enhanced purses at YR are hurting the Meadowlands.
camfella
08-14-2009, 11:53 PM
Yeah I was at the Meadowlands for the Hambo last weekend. I think the slot-enhanced purses at YR are hurting the Meadowlands.
Well,hopefully NJ comes up with some ideas, I'm afraid that politics is going to take over,and when that happens , nothing gets done, the present Gov of NJ is probably going to lose the next election,and he is a pro racing guy from what I have seen., well I'm off,good luck Mike-CF
RaceTrackDaddy
08-15-2009, 01:23 PM
No problem. I don't use sites where you have to pay. I find it more interesting to hear from the regulars and see how they do. It is like reading a great book. That is all. I know I am totally out of my element right now and was looking for people who had a clue....unlike me. I am looking to learn the trotter program book. It is different that the flats. God I hope it doesn't take me as long as it did to learn the flats.
The hard part is over as the flats have more to learn than harness racing. Flats have different surfaces (dirt, turf, artifical) and they run such diverse races which include stepplechase, marathon, sprints and routes. You will find that only on rare occassion will the distance be something other than a mile and same can be said as maybe once or twice a season, you may get a harness race on the turf. The vast majority are at one mile on the regular surfaces.
I guess the best way to handicap haress when first learning is to learn the top trainers and drivers at the track you are betting. They tend to get overbet but on occassion, can find a nice price. I personally like horses that play a stalker's role, that is to be not to far off early in the race and hopefully have the pace to come home.
If you can purchase one, the best book on the subject is Stanley's Law. I really do not know if it is still in print, but if you can find it, buy it. He does a very better job explaining the sport than I on this post.
If you are interested, we from time to time offer our selections at the flats also. Geoffrey handles the west coast and I the east. Currently we offer both Saratoga and Del Mar. Last year we handled others like Monmouth, Philly, Hollyawood and Santa Anita. It just got too much to handle those plus all the harness tracks.
This site is just for kicks and grins. It came into being in my post transplant phase of my Bone Marrpw Transplant (stem cell). It combined my love of horse racing with my love of musice brought together with my love of computers. It is a hobby for all concerned and no one gets paid nor do we charge anything. It is just the thrill of posting your selection and seeing it win. What a rush.
If you need, this link has a list of names of great books on harness racing. It might lead you to what you need. Stanley's Law is mentioned...though I have not a clue as to where to purchase it. Maybe your local library might have it. You never know.
http://www.mi-harness.com/BettinS/Books.htm
RTD
Ray2000
08-15-2009, 02:29 PM
RaceTrackDaddy
Thanks for the links to the Meadows Pictures. You made my day.:ThmbUp:
Wolfbane
For a sample of Stanleys Law (his newsletters), Handicapping Harness (Clocker and Estimator) have been putting them up at their site (with his permission of course.) Old but excellent handicapping info.
http://respecki.typepad.com/handicapping_harness/
Best of Luck...
RaceTrackDaddy
08-19-2009, 12:13 AM
Wolfbane
Do not know if you followed the site for the last 4 days of racing at Yonkers. I took the liberty of posting below (and I hope this medium permits me to post partial spreadsheets) for the last 4 days (Aug 14, 15, 17 and 18) of ROI of the analysts on my site for YR for the Exacta box of the top two picks.
I also posted their individual ROI for the same following.
Anne and Richard Totals at YR (Box Top Two Ex)
Ex (Top 2 Bx)Wins9Races52Win %17.31%Money Won$269.30Money Wagered$208.00ROI1.2947Profit / (Loss)$61.30
Anne YR (Box Top Two Ex) Stats
Ex (Top 2 Bx)Wins4Races26Win %15.38%Money Won$111.90Money Wagered$104.00ROI1.0760Profit / (Loss)$7.90
Richard YR (Box Top Two Ex) Stats
Ex (Top 2 Bx)Wins5Races26Win %19.23%Money Won$157.40Money Wagered$104.00ROI1.5135Profit / (Loss)$53.40
I hope you played them, if not, that is ok too. There is always the next racecard to bet.
RTD
RaceTrackDaddy
08-19-2009, 12:20 AM
Adjustment on the spreadsheet as they do not copy well.
Anne and Richard Last 4 days at YR
Wins 9
Races 52
Win% 17.31%
Money Won $269.30
Money Wagered $208.00
ROI 1.2947
Profit/Loss +$61.30
Anne Ex (Top 2 Box)
Wins 4
Races 26
Win% 15.38
Money Won $111.90
Money Wagered $104.00
ROI 1.0760
Profit/Loss +$7.90
Richard Ex (Top 2 Box)
Wins 5
Races 26
Win% 19.23%
Money Won $157.40
Money Wagered $104.00
ROI 1.5135
Profit/Loss +$53.40
Hope you had the winners!
Sorry about the double postings...
RTD
camfella
08-19-2009, 09:49 PM
Adjustment on the spreadsheet as they do not copy well.
Anne and Richard Last 4 days at YR
Wins 9
Races 52
Win% 17.31%
Money Won $269.30
Money Wagered $208.00
ROI 1.2947
Profit/Loss +$61.30
Anne Ex (Top 2 Box)
Wins 4
Races 26
Win% 15.38
Money Won $111.90
Money Wagered $104.00
ROI 1.0760
Profit/Loss +$7.90
Richard Ex (Top 2 Box)
Wins 5
Races 26
Win% 19.23%
Money Won $157.40
Money Wagered $104.00
ROI 1.5135
Profit/Loss +$53.40
Hope you had the winners!
Sorry about the double postings...
RTD
Bobby-a person has to respect a clear posting of the results, we appreciate the straight forward laying out of numbers with no tout spin put on them, what are the exacta numbers for the month of August,so far? If we are going to show numbers,well by God ,lets show them all....(with the disclaimer that no one expects miracles,just an honest effort and recounting of those efforts)CF
RaceTrackDaddy
08-20-2009, 01:25 AM
The best way to do it I guess would be to post all the ROI that I track. In order to save time (and my fingers), I will provide the link to the individual pages for each analysts that has handicapped Yonkers this year. I track 14 type of wagers. Top Pick Win, Straight Ex, Key Ex, Bx Top 2 Ex, Box All Ex, Straight Trifecta, Key Trifecta and Box Trifecta, Best Bet, Long Shots of the Day, Cold Daily Doubles, Straight Supers, Key Supers and Box Supers.
Anne http://mysite.verizon.net/r.zanakis/stats/anne_yonkers.htm
Richard http://mysite.verizon.net/r.zanakis/stats/richard_yr.htm
Timmie http://mysite.verizon.net/r.zanakis/stats/timmie_yonkers.htm
myself http://mysite.verizon.net/r.zanakis/stats/z_yonkers.htm
Top Two Picks in the Ex Bx
YTD
Anne Roi 0.9749
Richard Roi 1.0448
Timmie Roi 0.8280
myself Roi 0.7202
Every analyst has his/her own page for each individual track they offer their selections. My main stat page is http://mysite.verizon.net/r.zanakis/stats/newtrackrecord.htm
of which date back to 2005.
I shut the site down earlier this year due to time constraints but with many people emailing me and other analysts themselves, I decided to come back in the summer. I really do not know if I will keep it going once the Del Mar and the Spa meets concude but if I do stay around, I should be open till the closing of Chester in late fall.
rtd
You can see why Timmie and I no longer handle them..lol
camfella
08-20-2009, 12:11 PM
The best way to do it I guess would be to post all the ROI that I track. In order to save time (and my fingers), I will provide the link to the individual pages for each analysts that has handicapped Yonkers this year. I track 14 type of wagers. Top Pick Win, Straight Ex, Key Ex, Bx Top 2 Ex, Box All Ex, Straight Trifecta, Key Trifecta and Box Trifecta, Best Bet, Long Shots of the Day, Cold Daily Doubles, Straight Supers, Key Supers and Box Supers.
Anne http://mysite.verizon.net/r.zanakis/stats/anne_yonkers.htm
Richard http://mysite.verizon.net/r.zanakis/stats/richard_yr.htm
Timmie http://mysite.verizon.net/r.zanakis/stats/timmie_yonkers.htm
myself http://mysite.verizon.net/r.zanakis/stats/z_yonkers.htm
Top Two Picks in the Ex Bx
YTD
Anne Roi 0.9749
Richard Roi 1.0448
Timmie Roi 0.8280
myself Roi 0.7202
Every analyst has his/her own page for each individual track they offer their selections. My main stat page is http://mysite.verizon.net/r.zanakis/stats/newtrackrecord.htm
of which date back to 2005.
I shut the site down earlier this year due to time constraints but with many people emailing me and other analysts themselves, I decided to come back in the summer. I really do not know if I will keep it going once the Del Mar and the Spa meets concude but if I do stay around, I should be open till the closing of Chester in late fall.
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You can see why Timmie and I no longer handle them..lol
Respectable numbers when using just top 2 picks, nice job of full disclosure!-CF
RaceTrackDaddy
08-21-2009, 05:44 PM
Camfella
Thank you...this site is for our love of the sport and at times a diverson from the real world. We need that from time to time..
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