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Amazin
05-15-2003, 12:20 PM
Here's a poem of political import:
by BOB RIEDEL
(to the tune of "The Yellow Rose of Texas" -- anon., 1836, public domain)
There are Taliban from Texas who want to run the world
Their crossbone-spangled banner's triumphantly unfurled
They trample on the Bill of Rights and mock democracy
The Taliban from Texas have it in for you & me
They'll say you are a traitor if you don't toe the line
Their friends at Exxon Mobil all think that's very fine
"Support the troops" means "shut your mouth & never raise a fuss"
Those Taliban from Texas will be the end of US.
They're pocketing a tax cut as big as all outdoors
To pay for Fox cheerleaders and other sundry whores
They worship "G.I. Jesus" and not the Prince of Peace
The Taliban of Texas want to be your thought police.
Bob Riedel is a contributing writer to the New York Press. He can be reached at: BRiedel166@aol.
:)
Amazin
05-15-2003, 12:23 PM
I love the "G.I.Jesus part".I bet boxcar and Dave do too.
Lefty
05-15-2003, 12:47 PM
This writer and you are so far left you might as well live in Cuba.
I guess you guys want a pres. that lets the world come into our cities, wreak destruction and get away without consequence. I guess you guys want a pres. that raises taxes through the roof to help out the poor who walk into food stamp centers witth cellphones strapped to their belts but can't find the dough to buy food, while the hardworkers and seniors struggle.
The thing is, you guys deserved Clinton but now the patriotic and the hard working americans who have to pay for all the "nonsense" we have the pres. we deserve.
Thank God for Bush.
Keep publishing your drivel Mr(what's his name?)it's your right and thanks to a gutsy pres like Geo. W. Bush that right has been preserved.
Actually, pretty well written and funny. It makes the grade as far as political humor goes.
Got a good chuckle out of it.
You just have to know where reality and spoofing stop and start.
Then you can enjoy both. ;)
I thought it was rather humorous myself.
Interesting points also.
Lefty
05-15-2003, 08:57 PM
It's drivel. In order for anything to be truly funny there must be an element of truth. I see no humor in calling Bush a Taliban. He's the one who set our military in motion to run them to the ends of the earth.
Pace Cap'n
05-15-2003, 09:24 PM
Thanks a lot! Now I've got "The Yellow Rose of Texas" stuck in my head ever since I read that.
Lefty,
Careful your narrowmindedness is acting up. This may cause a rash on your thin skin.:D
PaceAdvantage
05-15-2003, 10:12 PM
ljb...uncalled for...
Lefty's response was adult and civil. Stop baiting.
JustRalph
05-15-2003, 11:24 PM
Well the Texas Dems killed the Bill and something like 400 other pieces of legislation by hiding out in Oklahoma. What a story. If the rules of the game don't favor you, just don't show up for work. typical.
Amazin
05-16-2003, 02:16 AM
Lefty didn't find the poem funny.Let's see if this satire will tickle his fancy and maybe find some truth for the poem he says is lacking in truth.One notewothy fact you should all pay attention to is that Cheney still recieves 1 million dollars a year from Haliburton.
Welcome Aboard The Iraq Gravy Train
Congratulations to all the winners of tickets to take
part in the greatest rebuilding show on earth...
By Terry Jones
The Observer - UK
4-13-3
Well, the war has been a huge success, and I guess it's time for congratulations all round. And wow! It's hard to know where to begin.
First, I'd like to congratulate Kellogg Brown & Root (KBR) and the Bechtel Corporation, which are the construction companies most likely to benefit from the reconstruction of Iraq. Contracts in the region of $1 billion should soon coming your way, chaps. Well done! And what with the US dropping 15,000 precision-guided munitions, 7,500 unguided bombs and 750 cruise missiles on Iraq so far and with more to come, there's going to be a lot of reconstruction. It looks like it could be a bonanza year.
Of course, we all know that KBR is the construction side of Halliburton, and it has been doing big business with the military ever since the Second World War. Most recently, it got the plum job of constructing the prison compound for terrorists suspects at Guantanamo Bay. Could be a whole lot more deluxe chicken coops coming your way in the next few months, guys. Stick it to 'em.
I'd also like to add congratulations to Dick Cheney, who was chief executive of Halliburton from 1995 to 2000, and who currently receives a cheque for $1 million a year from his old company. I guess he may find there's a little surprise bonus in there this year. Well done, Dick.
Congratulations, too, to former Secretary of State, George Schultz. He's not only on the board of Bechtel, he's also chairman of the advisory board of the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq, a group with close ties to the White House committed to reconstructing the Iraqi economy through war. You're doing a grand job, George, and I'm sure material benefits will be coming your way, as sure as the Devil lives in Texas.
Oh, before I forget, a big round of appreciation for Jack Sheehan, a retired general who sits on the Defence Policy Board which advises the Pentagon. He's a senior vice president at Bechtel and one of the many members of the Defence Policy Board with links to companies that make money out of defence contracts. When I say 'make money' I'm not joking. Their companies have benefited to the tune of $76bn just in the last year. Talk about a gravy train. Well, Jack, you and your colleagues can certainly look forward to a warm and joyous Christmas this year.
It;s been estimated that rebuilding Iraq could cost anything from $25bn to $100bn and the great thing is that the Iraqis will be paying for it themselves out of their future oil revenues. What's more, President Bush will be able to say, with a straight face, that they're using the money from Iraqi oil to benefit the Iraqi people. 'We're going to use the assets of the people of Iraq, especially their oil assets, to benefit their people,' said Secretary of State Colin Powell, and he looked really sincere. Yessir.
It's so neat it makes you want to run out and buy shares in Fluor. As one of the world's biggest procurement and construction companies, it recently hired Kenneth J. Oscar, who, as acting assistant secretary of the army, took care of the Pentagon's $35bn-a-year procurement budget. So there could also be some nice extra business coming its way soon. Bully for them.
But every celebration has its serious side, and I should like to convey my condolences to all those who have suffered so grievously in this war. Particularly American Airlines, Qantas and Air Canada, and all other travel companies which have seen their customers dwindle, as fear of terrorist reprisals for what the US and Britain have done in Iraq begins to bite.
My condolences also to all those British companies which have been disappointed in their bid to share in the bonanza that all this wonderful high-tech military firepower has created. I know it must be frustrating and disheartening for many of you, especially in the medical field, knowing there are all those severed limbs, all that burnt flesh, all those smashed skulls, broken bones, punctured spleens, ripped faces and mangled children just crying out for your products.
You could be making a fortune out of the drugs, serums and surgical hardware, and yet you have to stand on the sidelines and watch as US drug companies make a killing.
Well, Hosni Mubarak, the Egyptian President, has some words of comfort for us all. As he recently pointed out, this adventure by Bush and Blair will have created such hatred throughout the Arab world, that 100 new bin Ladens will have been created.
So all of us here in Britain, as well as in America, shouldn't lose heart. Once the Arab world starts to take its revenge, there should be enough reconstruction to do at home to keep business thriving for some years to come.
http://www.observer.co.uk/worldview/story/0,11581,935649,00.html
Lefty
05-16-2003, 02:26 AM
If Cheney getting a mil a yr from Haliburton that's a drop in the bucket to what he gave up to be vice pres. He had to divest himself of all his stock but, i guess, libs, never satisfied.
Yes, please, let's not ever defend ourselves against anyone. Hey, they might get mad. What a credo. You show your enemy cowardice and he will hit you twice as hard.
I wonder how many times we would have been hit if Gore was pres. I wonder... and I shudder.
Keep digging up these liberal articles, amazin and lbj, but truth is America and the world is a safer place now that a real man is in charge.
Amazin
05-16-2003, 02:34 AM
Lefty says:"If Cheney getting a mil a yr from Haliburton that's a drop in the bucket to what he gave up to be vice pres. He had to divest himself of all his stock but you libs, never satisfied."
Poor guy,only a mil a year and bonuses.Wonder how he'll make ends meet.tsk,tsk.Btw,half million americans have become unemployed in the last 3 months.We don't need to defend them now do we Lefty.Poor Cheney.Only a million plus.What's the world coming to.
Lefty
05-16-2003, 02:43 AM
amazin, it's called capitalism and it's our way of life. Your socialist envy is showing....again, still?
And yes, Bush's tax plan(the one you're against)will put more of these unemployed americans back to work. But the dems would rather propose more spending(over 2 trillion so far)and deny the economy the stimulus it needs.
PaceAdvantage
05-16-2003, 04:08 AM
Yes Capitalism. Some people fail to grasp the concept.
These same people dream of the day where everyone, no matter how much or how little they contribute, can collect the same amount of money....."it's OK if you're lazy and don't feel like putting in an honest day's work, HERE YOU GO....."
"It's ok if you bust your ass day in and day out, you're getting the same paycheck as the lazy man....shut up and take it!!"
Crazy capitalists...looking to reward those who deserve to be rewarded....what a terrible concept!!
My post to lefty was not meant to be baiting. It was an opinion of lefty's post. If he could see no humor in the poem , I think he is narrowminded. If he is upset enough to call it drivel, he is thin skinned. Also his inability to see any truth in the poem displays a very narrow minded view.
All humor is based on an element of truth . It is usually an exaggeration of the truth to make it look funny. I think this piece does that well. That is my opinion and if I am to be chastised for voicing my opinion then it appears the poem has more truth then some will admit.
From the poem "The Taliban of Texas want to be your thought police. " ;)
President Eisenhower, a fine republican president and war hero, when leaving office said. " The thing we must fear the most is the military-industrial complex." Perhaps his warnings fell on deaf ears.
Amazin
05-16-2003, 11:31 AM
Ljb
I concur with your post to PA.I have been a victim of his bias and double standards as well.I too will continue to excercise my right to free speech,and if PA sees it fit to rid us of this board as he did to LINDSAY then so be it.This board would lose it's validity as a place for OPEN discussion.
Lefty
05-16-2003, 12:35 PM
amazin, ljb, by all means, exercise your right to free speech; after all, enough brave men and women have died to see that you get that right. But I hope you don't mind if I exercise my right to free speech too. I know drivel when I see it. ljb, I fail to see one element of truth in that poem. It's just a blatent attack on a fine leader. That's how I see it. And that's my free speech. Thank you very much.
PaceAdvantage
05-16-2003, 12:41 PM
So now, I guess Amazin doesn't want me to exercise MY freedom of speech right. If I do, I make him a "victim". How quaint.
BTW, LINDSAY is free to post anytime he/she wants to. I didn't do a thing....actually, I take that back...LINDSAY requested to be removed from the board. I honored that request, as I honor all requests when people (although this is a RARE occurance) ask to be removed from the active roster of users....
I guess LINDSAY is the one with the "thin skin", eh?
PaceAdvantage
05-16-2003, 12:46 PM
Just curious....Amazin and LJB (does the L stand for LINDSAY?), do you guys belong to any REAL political message boards??? Or do you just whittle away the hours in the off-topic section of this HORSE RACING message board? Are you honing your skills for bigger and better things?
The audience here is pretty limited. I would think you'd have much more of an impact on a real political board....
I can't speak for Amazin, just myself.
First I got on this board for the horse racing bulletins. I just stumbled on the off topic area and always enjoy a political argument. I now full well that i am in the minority and expect to be so. If my posting of my opinions contrary to the popular support here is obstructive to the well being of other members, I will stop posting my opinions.
I just thought it might be a better debate if more then one side of the issues were presented.
Now I have been accused of "baiting" and posting condecending notes to those that disagree with me. However my posting in this manner is usually, if not always, in response to a derogatory remark or name calling by my worthy opponets.
Lastley if those who post in this area want it to be an area of just those in agreement posting notes congratulating each other and beating there chests in victory then I'll be more then happy to just lurk in the future.:o
Lefty
05-16-2003, 01:26 PM
ljb, speaking for myself, I enjoy the "fray"
Amazin
05-16-2003, 01:29 PM
Pa
This is what I mean about your bias and double standard.In the past you have singled me out and now LJB on a general question that you infer refers to me.Why do I/we post in the off topic of a horseracing board as if it was weird.If that was weird it would apply to anyone posting in this section and you make it sound as if we were some subversive left when topics like these are being debated all across the country,in the Senate ,on TV, and all over the world.This is just a microcosm of the feelings in this country.I don't see you calling it when Lefty has no response but to revert to kicking my ass or Derick's ass.It's just a matter of time before he wants to kick LJB's ass too.It stands out as bias when you portray it as unusual that "liberals"should speak out hear but not unusual that conservatives cheerlead the current administration.
PaceAdvantage
05-16-2003, 04:36 PM
I'm not trying to discourage anyone from posting. Post away...I don't care...as long as none of the terms you agreed to when you registered on the board are severely broken (and I AM LIBERAL WHEN IT COMES TO THOSE TERMS), everything will be fine.
But don't say I'm not allowed to comment. I'm speaking my mind, as well as everyone else on this board, be it horses, politics, or whatever.
There just doesn't seem to be any resolution here Amazin, which is why I ask the question, why continue?? Not that I want to see you or anyone else stop posting. Far from it.
Do you really think you're going to get Lefty or Tom or Boxcar to say 'you know Amazin and LJB, you guys were right all along'. Likewise, they are never going to change your way of thinking, especially when it comes to the current administration.
So, we hashed everyone's opinion out here. Everyone knows where everyone else stands. Nobody is going to change their ways or their minds. Why continue? Isn't there anything else you'd like to debate?
You're only stoking the fire at this point...nothing new is going to come out of calling Lefty closed minded or thin skinned....Likewise, he ain't going to get anything out of you except a rise by calling you whatever it is he calls you....
Just my opinion.
Hmmm, seems to be true. Liberals getting their facts wrong and trying to make a martyr (Lindsay banned...NOT). Crying that we are trampling their free speech when we try to use ours. Throwing mud and then yelling foul when some of it gets on them.
I fully expect that soon, Amazin and Ljb (Lindsay joins back?) to leave the PA board and hide out on the neighboring ESPN board until the end of the month, to emulate their party's cowards of Texas. I wonder if Dixie Dames are embarrassed to be from Texas over this isse too? Maybe if they ever looked at their behinds in a mirror, they would see that they have something to truly be embarrassed about!
:rolleyes:
OK your not trying to stop anyone from posting. It just seemed a little biased when you chastised me for saying lefty is narrowminded and thin skined. He has called me worse in the past with no reprimands from the leader. Being in the minority here is tough enough.
Oh and I still think lefty is narrowminded. His skin is probably thicker then I said. ;)
I think it was neat as hell what the texas Dems did. Not to fond of somebody using the homeland protection service to try and round them up but, that was a republican thing so it's probably acceptable here. Also love them dixie chicks. Gotta love it when them gals got the balls to say what they think. :rolleyes:
Lefty
05-16-2003, 10:19 PM
me, narrowminded? When it comes to politics I sure as hell am.
I want the govt. to cut taxes,
beef up the military and stop giving my money away. I am EXTREMELY narrowminded.
Totally irresponsible what they did..and I would say thae same if it were republican who did it. Tey are elected to represent the people- and that di dnot happen. They should all go to jail for a little while.
Same crap in NY State-every single year, they come in later with the budget. I thing come April 1st if the budget is not on the govenor's desk, the whole damn legislature should be held in contempt and put in Attica until they have a budget to present.
JustRalph
05-16-2003, 11:21 PM
Originally posted by ljb
I think it was neat as hell what the texas Dems did. Not to fond of somebody using the homeland protection service to try and round them up but, that was a republican thing so it's probably acceptable here. Also love them dixie chicks. Gotta love it when them gals got the balls to say what they think. :rolleyes:
Hey LJB
for $9.95 a month anybody can track all the Airplanes they want via the internet. The Texas Rangers who were looking for the guys plane could have done it a whole lot simpler. It isn't a Republican vs Dem thing. It was the Texas Rangers being what they are....uninformed on the subject of Aviation. Just like most of the world. If you are interested in tracking Airplanes, this program is incredible. If you really want to see what the Airspace looks like, spend 9.95 for a month and then cancel. You can use it up to 50 hours for the 9.95 fee. This program may educate some on what Airspace use is really like. It is just a neat thing to see ........it used to be you had to have some kind of aviation link to get it, not anymore. The pictures don't do it justice. Check it out.
http://www.avweb.com/sponsors/fe/index.htm
http://home.columbus.rr.com/justralph/air_traffic.gif
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JustRalph
05-16-2003, 11:22 PM
I can see the Democratic planes.......they are all turning to the left
http://home.columbus.rr.com/justralph/airplanes.gif
Dave Schwartz
05-16-2003, 11:44 PM
Ralph,
I did a 14-month consulting gig for an airline a few years ago. One of the analysts located near my cube had this thing running often on a 21-inch monitor. It was truly fascinating to watch. (I think their cost for the service was $1,500 per month.)
Dave
JustRalph
05-17-2003, 12:19 AM
Businesses get charged more......an hourly thing. But they give it to the little guy as a hobby or whatever for only 9.95 month. I used to use it when I owned an Airplane. It was kind of cool to see your own plane on the screen.
You should watch cspan for a couple days and see what the federal congress is doing. Mostly just quorum calls and blather. The real business takes place in conferences and meetings behind closed doors. Just because the dems decided to hold there meeting in Oklahoma so as not to be bothered by the republicans is not a crime. That's the way politics is played in the big leagues. Don't forget the exodus was cause by Tom Delay from the federal congress trying to make changes to state districting that had already been approved by the same supreme court that appointed G.W. Bush to the presidency.:rolleyes:
formula_2002
05-17-2003, 08:07 AM
PA writes
"Yes Capitalism. Some people fail to grasp the concept."
I think a 12 million dollar a year short stop grasp the concept (or at the least his agent does)
I think the former Computer Associates chairman
of the board grasp the concept.
I think Mike Tyson also grasp the concept.
Hurt as it may, I certainly grasp the concept .:rolleyes:
Joe M
Originally posted by ljb
You should watch cspan for a couple days and see what the federal congress is doing. Mostly just quorum calls and blather. The real business takes place in conferences and meetings behind closed doors. Just because the dems decided to hold there meeting in Oklahoma so as not to be bothered by the republicans is not a crime. That's the way politics is played in the big leagues. Don't forget the exodus was cause by Tom Delay from the federal congress trying to make changes to state districting that had already been approved by the same supreme court that appointed G.W. Bush to the presidency.:rolleyes:
Grow up, will you. Get your out of your *ss. I said it was irresponsible of anyone to do it -their job is to represent the voters and they don't do it by hiding out like liqour store robbers.
Typical liberal response, thoug-"It wasn't MY fault - HE made me do it!"
You should read some of yours and Amazin's posts - that will help you understand Bush's huge popularity, why you are in the minority here, ss you always moan, and why YOUR party is out of the white house. Your party's tired whinning and blaming others for your their failures is not very popular. Let me give you some advice: Those that say it can't be done should get out of the way of those that are doing it.
Hey-hope you do well in the Preakness......
Amazin
05-17-2003, 10:28 AM
Tom Quote:"Typical liberal response, thoug-"It wasn't MY fault - HE made me do it!"
Wrong.This is what Lefty uses to as a scapegoat for Bush's failures.Still blames Clinton.
Tom Quote:"You should read some of yours and Amazin's posts - that will help you understand Bush's huge popularity."
Bush's popularity is because it's the path that takes the least thought.:eek:
formula_2002
05-17-2003, 10:39 AM
Here ia another guy who has a grasp on capitalism;
NY TIMES, May 17, 2003, business section, page c1.
John Hancock Financial Servises Chief's pay rose 264% (from 8.2 million to 21.7 million) as the company earnings droped 15.4%..
Joe M
Lefty
05-17-2003, 11:51 AM
Amazin, Bush has had no failures. But if you're talkin aboout the economy just look at the last quarter of Clinton's adm. The numbers were sliding. And even though you don't seem to want to factor it in 9-11 wreaked complete havok on the economy. Sorry if the facts bother you. But cheer up, the economy's coming back pretty darn strong for all that "stuff" I know you prob. don't like that either cause you want Bush to fail. But he isn't and he won't.
Ljb, Bush was not appointed by the Supreme court. He won the election. It was Gore who took it to the Fla. courts and it was those libs that forced the Supreme court to step in. Didja ever notice when the Dems don't get ANY election result they fancy they take it to one of their liberal courts.
Every recount in Fla shows Bush the clear winnner but that fact's always been buried in the back pages. And if you really want to get real how about those bags and bags and bags of military votes that were not counted because they "mysteriously" were delayed past the deadline. It's a moot point, Bush IS the pres. so let's keep the discourse on point.
boxcar
05-17-2003, 12:11 PM
Originally posted by Amazin
Bush's popularity is because it's the path that takes the least thought.:eek:
'Mazin' unwittingly expressed Classic Marxist thought to which I'll paraphrase:
The masses are asses, therefore Big Government is needed to take care of the citizenry from cradle to grave.
Boxcar
Amazin
05-17-2003, 12:15 PM
Lefty,you must be the winner of the most uninformed person in the country.Even Bush would laugh at you.When it was recently announced that unemployment hit 6%,Bush went out of his way to make speeches last week about creating jobs.Of course he didn't take any responsibility for the unemployment rate. Bush has no failures?Lefty can you read?ONE HALF A MILLION PEOPLE HAVE LOST THEIR JOBS IN THE LAST 3 MONTHS.9/11 HAPPENED 20 MONTHS AGO.WAKE UP MAN.No FAILURES?I'll give you a few:
1)President ignores United Nations and world opinion to pursue WMD that have yet to show
2)Tax breaks geared to the super rich
3)Roll back on environmental laws
4)Ignore health care
5)cut education spending
6)Spiriling unemployemt rate
7)Spiriling deficit
That's just for starters.;)
Amazin
05-17-2003, 12:20 PM
Box
Call it what you will,but it's true.The masses are asses if they rely soley on the government for information.It's called brainwashing.
boxcar
05-17-2003, 12:21 PM
Originally posted by Amazin
Ljb
I concur with your post to PA.I have been a victim of his bias and double standards as well.I too will continue to excercise my right to free speech,and if PA sees it fit to rid us of this board as he did to LINDSAY then so be it.This board would lose it's validity as a place for OPEN discussion.
What! Our resident Number One Socialist
is history!? (PA, what did he do to deserve exile into outer darkness?) :)
But with Lindsay gone, it goes to show that nature really does abhor a vacuum, as evidenced by the appearance of two of his Bosom Buddy Comrades to take his place.
Boxcar
boxcar
05-17-2003, 12:28 PM
Originally posted by PaceAdvantage
Just curious....Amazin and LJB (does the L stand for LINDSAY?), do you guys belong to any REAL political message boards??? Or do you just whittle away the hours in the off-topic section of this HORSE RACING message board? Are you honing your skills for bigger and better things?
The audience here is pretty limited. I would think you'd have much more of an impact on a real political board....
LOL! How right you are, PA. Our two liberal lamebrains should find their way to the Free Republic Board -- where they would be made chopped liver in very short order.
But chances are that these two might hail from that LoonyTune site known as the Democratic Underground. Could be they were kicked off that forum for not being radical enough. :)
Boxcar
boxcar
05-17-2003, 12:38 PM
Originally posted by ljb
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Also love them dixie chicks. Gotta love it when them gals got the balls to say what they think.
Twisted logic, as usual. The chicks are no heroes for speaking their mind in a free society. Let them try speaking out against some totolitarian regime within the borders of that nation, such as No. Korea, Cuba, China, any number of Arab states, etc. and see what happens. If they were to do this, then it could be said that they have guts. IF...
Boxcar
If the masses as asses and need to have the gvnt take care of them, then you are either:
1. An ass who has no right to question govnt that is taking care of him, or
2. Not an ass, a member of govnt who is not doing anything to fix these horrible evils, or,
3. not an ass, not smart enough to be a part of the ruling few, therefore, som ekind of under-acheiver?
4. A communist.
Which is it?
Never mind....no one cares. We are all asses.
Lefty
05-17-2003, 12:45 PM
amazin, you have given me a list to reply to, and i will, later. Gonna go to the races now. But, bub, keep tellin' me I can't read is kinda childish don'tcha think? BTW, i've been reading since the age of 4. Bye for now.
PaceAdvantage
05-17-2003, 01:18 PM
For the last time, LINDSAY LEFT ON HIS OWN ACCORD. HE VOLUNTARILY RESIGNED FROM THE BOARD. I DID NOT DO A THING BUT ACCOMODATE HIS REQUEST.
Thank you. :p
doophus
05-17-2003, 05:12 PM
PA..
Lindsey's request to you only confirms for me that he couldn't handle Lefty's and/or Boxcar's and/or Tom's and/or other non-liberal's facts.
Odds are very good that Lindsey's IQ is greater than a couple of his soulmates who continue with their leftist drivel.
George Evans
yep! except it still took guts to say what they thought. If you think not, consider all the flack they got and are still getting from folks like you.
Luv them dixie chicks!
Didn't they say it in France?
Guts to take flack?
They have no choice.
Guts would be if they knew what the reaction would be and still said it. As it was, they had no clue. They probably thought they would be cheered for blindly following the Hollywood brainless.
Anti-war sentiment was trendy amoung the great pretenders.
Cost them some money for a while, though.
BTW.....they are all fat.
:rolleyes:
PaceAdvantage
05-17-2003, 08:57 PM
Watching that Dixie Chick trying to put her comment into some sort of context that would pacify all their "fans" and get the 'Chicks back on the radio was painful.
Originally posted by tom:
"-their job is to represent the voters and they don't do it by hiding out like liqour store robbers. "
See Tom again you show the narrowmindedness of the right wing. Personally I think they were doing fine by the folks who voted them into office. Sometimes elected officials do things that don't please members of the other party, does that mean they are not representing there voters? Open up you eyes a bit Tom things are not just the way you see them.
Also I don't recall doing a lot of whining and blaming. I have asked when is Bush going to do something about the dismal state of the world and the U.S. in particular, so far all he's done is give campaign speechs and start wars.
Oh and last but not least, you should do something about that diaper rash, maybe you wouldn't be so irate.;)
PA
Yes it was sort of painful. I noticed she did not like when the interviewer asked her if she wanted to be forgiven. She hemmed and hawed but I think what she really wanted to say was probably something like "Forgiven for what?":cool:
No they said it in England. they may be fat in your opinion but there still cuties with guts.:D
The more you post, the more worried I get. Are you allowed to breed and drive a car? Bush is doing just fine....we have a whole of cockroaches fried and crushed. And more to come.
How anyone with any intellegence can look the whole rotten mess left behind by Sodamn Insane and still complain that we invaded them is beyond me. He was a murderer on a global scale, l, and we stopped him. Thousand of people are alive today that would have been murdered by him. And for the most part, all it cost was a bunch of Iraqi soldiers - this is a good thing.
Same for Afghansitan. You liberal talk a good game, but what has your side ever done to improve the world? Give away nuclear secrets, train N Korea to play deadly games to get what it wants,
allow the islamic menace past our borders so they can use our way of life to attack us?
And BTW, that is not diaper rash - it is Gerber hot piccante sauce - I'll post the whole pic Monday - it is hillarious.
Originally posted by Tom
Didn't they say it in France?
Guts to take flack?
They have no choice.
Guts would be if they knew what the reaction would be and still said it. As it was, they had no clue. They probably thought they would be cheered for blindly following the Hollywood brainless.
Anti-war sentiment was trendy amoung the great pretenders.
Cost them some money for a while, though.
BTW.....they are all fat.
:rolleyes:
They are fat and they are stupid.
Hate to wake up to that lead singer. Give her another 10 years.
Doug
Lefty
05-17-2003, 10:02 PM
amazin, 6% unemployment used to be considered pretty good. I guess it's only when Republicans in that it's bad. What it really means is we have a 94% employment rate.
Tax breaks for the rich: How many times do i have to dispel that foolish notion? Under Bush everyone that pays taxes gets a tax brk. The more you pays the more you gets. Simple math. And it's them there rich who are going to create those jobs, not that guy on the corner with a sign.
Cut education: Didn't he and Kennedy get together on a bill to increase education spending? BTW, they should junk the failed education system and privatize the whole thing. Ever watch Leno's Jaywalking? This is what our education dollar is buying. Scrap heap, I say.
I'm tired. What other nonsense was there? Oh, yeah, WMD's. We found some but guess not enough to satisfy you. Oh, and we freed people from prisons and stopped executions, but guess that means naught to you. Amazin it's amazin what this pres has accomplished in so short a time.
So, get over it.
Tom,
My breeding and car driving should be of no concern of yours , we live in a free country. Of course some of the members of your party seem to show a concern for peoples indvidual sexual activities. Maybe they will put that in there agenda , no breeding or car driving allowed by liberals.
I would expect a person of your nature to call fellow humans cockroaches. And your glee in there demise is also what one should expect from someone with your limited vision.
I have asked you when is Bush going to do something about the dismal state of the world and you respond with nothing but personal attacks. Very shallow, one might even say lacking of any intelligence. I wasn't reffering to the picture.;)
boxcar
05-18-2003, 12:29 AM
Originally posted by ljb
PA
Yes it was sort of painful. I noticed she did not like when the interviewer asked her if she wanted to be forgiven. She hemmed and hawed but I think what she really wanted to say was probably something like "Forgiven for what?":cool:
Well, if she had so much "guts", why didn't she stand on principle and speak what was really on her mind?
Boxcar
Good reply. You almost make me think you are that stupid, but of course, no one could be. You are a very good actor. Have you considered a career in Hollywood. I can see you in something with the Baldwins. In fact, I must ask, "Are you a Baldwin?"
Lefty
05-18-2003, 01:06 AM
ljb, you ask what Bush is going to do about the dismal state of the world? That's a tall order to fix the whole world, but let's see: So far since he's been pres we've freed Adghanistan and Iraq and just arrested the guys responsible for the bombing on a the USS Cole. Not even been there 1 full term yet; pretty damn good start.
JustRalph
05-18-2003, 01:08 AM
The tax cut is almost here.....! More money in the paychecks possibly by the end of summer. Now all I have to do is get a job.......
Lefty
05-18-2003, 01:19 AM
But JT, not having a job is the perfect tax dodge.
Originally posted by JustRalph
The tax cut is almost here.....! More money in the paychecks possibly by the end of summer. Now all I have to do is get a job.......
Damn details, eh? :eek:
Lefty
05-18-2003, 01:34 AM
But JR, that's what it was supposed to be. Typing in semi-darkness and i'm lousy typist anyway.
So, one more time: But JR, not having a job is the perfect tax dodge.
That's better.
So L......just what would YOU consider fixing the world?
Since this is an ovbsession with you, you have some deliverables that would indicate if Bush fixes it or not, Waht are they - specifically? And how do you rate Lety's example? Ar they not improtant thing to fix a troubled world? Surely you don't think either Afganisatan or Iraw are worse off now that when under the thumbs of murderous fanatics and madmen do you? And bring those that murdered our soldiers must be a good thing, is it not? Or did they deserve to die?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Wrong again Lefty,
We are having almost daily bombings around the world, mostly if not all against U.S. interests. Afgahnistan and Iraq are in shambles and turmoil. The bombers of the U.S.S. Cole have not been arrested, they have been indicted. There is a big difference here. Not been there one full term yet , he has screwed things up pretty damn good.
Boxcar,
Nice to hear from you again. As to your question, If she had so many guts why didn't she say what was on her mind?
Unfortunately she has felt the rath of anger and hatred dispelled by the Bush supporters when someone says something against there leader.
She is a victim of the thought police as mentioned in the opening note. And I'm not just talking about being financially impaired. They have all received threats of bodily harm as have there familys.
It is a shame when people in what is supposed to be a free country are ostracised so for voicing there opinions, don't you think?
Tom's question:
So L......just what would YOU consider fixing the world?
Well G.W. could start by apologizing to the world for screwing things up so, and then he could resign. This would be a good start.
Even better he could fire Dick and make Hillary his VP before resigning. :cool:
JustRalph
05-18-2003, 08:47 AM
Originally posted by ljb
Tom's question:
[B]Even better he could fire Dick and make Hillary his VP before resigning. :cool:
Oh...my God! I won't go where this needs to go............
I guess you didn't see the Susan Estrich article the other day?
Ljb, cannot answer a straight-forward question. Side-step, throw out snide remarks, but dodge the question. You are so much like Clinton - all form, no substance. No wonder you idolize him so much. Whine and complain about Bush not doing anything, but when you have to say what it is he should do, you have nothing to say. Cozy little world when you hide in ignorance.
Frankley, I have wasted enough time on thses two misfits - twins of delusion, Fric and Frack of Iraq, Noise are Us, Inc. They are in the minority in this country and it is boiling their brains. They just can't stand it when people go out and do things that they cannot. It destroys their belive systems and the defense mechanisms they use to rationalize their failures is revisionist histroy - even befreo it happens. Like Afgahansitan was not in shambles befroe we went in there? That is the most idiotic, stupid, and downright disgusting thing I have seen so far. It really shows what is inside an insignificant low-life.
You are a disgusting idividual. Osama still wants to kill you. Unfortunatley, he probably won't get a chance because W is protecting you as well as everyone else.
Lefty
05-18-2003, 12:15 PM
ljb, it appears that I, Tom, Boxcar, JR, PA and others on this board just can't help you. You want to blame ALL the trbles in the world on Geo. W. who has fixed and still fixing things that matter to us, the USA. We can lead a man to the facts but we can't make him think. Too bad. We gave you answers and facts but you just ignore them and "spit" venom at Bush and us. I will always respond to you, cause that's the way I am, never taking the first punch in a fight but making sure I have the last one.
Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
More importantly, how can you knock someone senseless when they are senseless to start?
Tom, If you remember correctly this started out with a question from me. When is Bush going to do anything about fixing the mess he has got the world and the U.S. into?
Your response was a question to me. So now WHO can't answer a straight forward question?
Sorry Tom but you are wrong again.
As far as fixing the world he should do something about the turmoil he has created with his warmongering tactics. He could also do something about the dismal state of the economy in the good ol US of A.
Lefty's words:Geo. W. who has fixed and still fixing things that matter to us
Well Lefty we have daily bombings around the world, we have high unemployment, low stock market values, low interest on savings, high gas prices and another one i just read this morning high bankruptcy filings.
Glad to hear this is the world as you like it. ;)
...he should do something...WHAT?
You don't have a clue, do you?
What could he do, oh enlightened one?
What, L, What,???????
I am waiting. We have told what he IS doing and you don't agree that it is good. So, it logically follows we need more infor.
Now we want to know - SPECIFICALLY- what he SHOULD do?
We are waiting.
Your great liberal mind has no suggestions, no solutions, only whine and complaints?
C'mon, L......is that ALL you have to offer?
....waiting.
Tom, I have already told you my first suggestion QUIT. You seem to not think that is a good idea. Secondly it is not my job to get this country/world out of the mess Bush has put it in.
It is obvious his campaigning and war-mongering are not doing any good. He is the president it is his job to do something. When he calls me and asks for advice I will give it to him but you are on his team . You are one of the many who should be brainstorming to come up with ideas to clean up this mess.
But then again that may be why you are asking me.
Just one suggestion I will post here. He could implement a tax increase like Clinton did, this got the economy rolling.:D
ps. You still haven't answered my question when is he going to do something other then campaign and start wars?
JustRalph
05-18-2003, 05:05 PM
Originally posted by ljb
He could implement a tax increase like Clinton did, this got the economy rolling
oh yeah...here it comes......implement a tax increase? It is such a good idea right now that every congressman in Washington is screaming for one. I think LJB is actually Dennis Kucinich in disguise.
boxcar
05-18-2003, 05:09 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ljb
Boxcar,
Nice to hear from you again. As to your question, If she had so many guts why didn't she say what was on her mind?
Unfortunately she has felt the rath of anger and hatred dispelled by the Bush supporters when someone says something against there leader.
She is a victim of the thought police as mentioned in the opening note.
"Thought police"? Just how does that work? Lemmee see if I have this straight: A liberal opens his or her yap to express his/her opinion in a free society, and in response, conservatives voice their opinions of the liberal's opinion (also in a free society) and... voila...because the conservatives had the audacious temerity to disagree with the lib, conservatives are now labeled as "thought police"? Is that the deal?
And I'm not just talking about being financially impaired. They have all received threats of bodily harm as have there familys
Really? You must have read this in the NY Times by another one of their lying affirmative action interns?
It is a shame when people in what is supposed to be a free country are ostracised so for voicing there opinions, don't you think? [/QUOTE
Why is it a shame? If people are free to shoot off their mouth, then dissenters are free to express their displeasure in any number of legal ways. It's just a form of free speech.
What you fail to understand that "freedom of speech" is a two-way street, and when someone speaks in an irresponsible manner, then they must be prepared to suffer the consequences of their actions.
But why am I telling you this? You socilaists don't understand the first principles of personal responsiblity.
Boxcar
boxcar
05-18-2003, 05:12 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ljb
Tom, I have already told you my first suggestion QUIT. You seem to not think that is a good idea. Secondly it is not my job to get this country/world out of the mess Bush has put it in.
It is obvious his campaigning and war-mongering are not doing any good. He is the president it is his job to do something.
Where in the U.S. Constitution does it say the president of the U.S. has the moral or legal duty to lead the world or try to set a crooked and perverse world straight? Quote me chapter and verse, please.
Boxcar
JustRalph
05-18-2003, 05:16 PM
Originally posted by ljb
And I'm not just talking about being financially impaired. They have all received threats of bodily harm as have there familys
Yep....here we go with this crap again. You would think Liberals were being lynched on the streets of New York. If all of this crap were true you wouldn't be allowed to exist LJB. Remember, we have the guns.........and we could employ our Army of the NRA. We could send General Charlton Heston into your liberal bastions and ferrett out the left. yeah...right. You sound like Rosie.......you just better hope that the red part of the map doesn't ever decide to go after the blue part......right?
Boxcar,
Bush Screwed up the world with his beating up on third rate dictators. He should be responsible for cleaning up his mess. Oh wait a minute the rightwing doesn't do that they just blame everything on Clinton. And of course there is the dismal state of the U.S. which I guess you think the President of the United States has no responsiblilty for since it is not spelled out for you in the constitution.
JR,
Please tale a Valium and re-read your post. The one with threats in it. you may want to revise it after you relax a bit.
Boxcar,
Sometimes I think you may have a little common sense but then you go and post a note like the one asking me to explain thought police to you. I shouldn't have to spell everything out for you.
When one person speaks his/her opinion another person should be free to express there opinion. However when it reachs the point of bodily threats and destruction of property and/or limiting ones ability to make a living , then it is going beyond resonable debate and into trying to coerce someones thoughts/actions/words throught intimidation.
Sorry that I have to spell everything out for you. I'll try to use smaller words in the future.
Lefty
05-18-2003, 07:48 PM
Tom, in this instance, we'tre trying to "knock" some sense into him but doesn't look doable.
boxcar
05-18-2003, 08:28 PM
Originally posted by ljb
Boxcar,
Sometimes I think you may have a little common sense but then you go and post a note like the one asking me to explain thought police to you. I shouldn't have to spell everything out for you.
When one person speaks his/her opinion another person should be free to express there opinion. However when it reachs the point of bodily threats and destruction of property and/or limiting ones ability to make a living , then it is going beyond resonable debate and into trying to coerce someones thoughts/actions/words throught intimidation.
Sorry that I have to spell everything out for you. I'll try to use smaller words in the future.
First off, I haven't read or heard a thing about the Dixies or their familes being threatened with bodily harm or destruction of property, etc.. I'm beginning to think you're joined to the hip with Jayson Blair and suffer from the same delusions he did.
Secondly, people whose livelihood depends upon the support of the public must be prepared to suffer the consequences of their actions whenever a large segment of that public takes offense at a public figure's comments, remarks or political views. Just as the Dixies had the right to make their comments known publicly, then the public in turn also has every right to express its dissatisifaction with those who offend, providing such expressions are within the bounds of the law. Radio stations boycotting their records, the public boycotting their products, etc. are all legal and [/b]moral[/b] forms of free speech expression. It's moral because no one is under any moral obligation to contribute to anyone's liviehood through the purchases of goods or services!
Next, no one coerced the Dixies to make the utterly stupid and ill-conceived statements they did! Seems to me they exercised their free will in the matter.
Finally, the Dixies didn't make those comments in the context of a "debate". Those airheads didn't come out and challenge anyone to debate them on the issues. All they did was allow their mouth to outrun what little grey matter they have.
In light of all this, I stand by my earlier sentiments: The Dixies are a bunch of clueless airheads who tried to backpedal a bit when they discovered that they offended a sizeable chunk of their fan base with their inane remarks. They are no more heroes or possess any more courage than did Saddam Hussein when he gassed thousands of his own defenseless countrymen. True courage is when someone doesn't back down in the face adversity. True courage is when someone takes a firm stand on principle despite the opposition he or she faces. Such courage was recently seen in people like Tony Blair when he stood firm and maintained his resolve on Iraq, despite public opinion to the contrary. Ditto for the P.M. of Australia who also faced strong domestic opposition. Despite the fact that both of these fine leaders may indeed pay a very stiff political price come election time in their respective countries, they held to their convictions and wavered not!. Contrast this behavior with the Dingbat Dixies and their half-baked apology that was expediently given to smooth out the ruffled feathers of their fans and to reinvigorate their declining sales numbers. They had about as much "courage" as you have comprehension of the term!
Boxcar
....still waiting.
No more whine, please.
Just a straight answer.
What would YOU consider a good thing for w to do to fix the world?
Seems to me that condeming somone for not doing something is pretty flimsy when you have idea what "siometing" is.
A little less whine, a little more substance please.
....waiting.....*yawn*
You keep badgering me for a reply and I have already given it to you-W is doing exactly what I think he should be doing-killing our enemies, setting up a new world order that focuses on real allies, not French-German cowards, giving money back to those that deserve it, and and uniting the ccountry (except for a few malcontents)
YOUR TURN.
....waiting......zzzzzzzzzzz
JustRalph
05-18-2003, 08:40 PM
Originally posted by ljb
JR,Please tale a Valium and re-read your post. The one with threats in it. you may want to revise it after you relax a bit.
Be advised that the post I made didn't contain any threats. I am not the threatening type. I think everybody else who read that post understood the sarcastic nature.......but you. I was mocking your brethren's mantra. You come from the same group that called the house prosecutors of Clinton "night riders" and said the only thing missing were their sheets. It is the same side where Spike Lee can suggest shooting Heston with a Bulldog handgun and nobody cares. The liberal mayor of atlanta called conservative organizations " The KKK without the sheets" the same side that said Newt Gingerich should be hanged and Henry Hyde stoned to death. Nobody even cared. If a conservative had said anything equal to this stuff they would have been ruined. So when you are being mocked try to grasp it. I will try to write slower and maybe with a different inflection. Then maybe you will get it. By the way........ I have yet to figure out how to "tale a valium" but I was able to interpret your meaning. Apparently you lack that skill...........
boxcar
05-18-2003, 08:48 PM
Originally posted by ljb
Boxcar,
Bush Screwed up the world with his beating up on third rate dictators. He should be responsible for cleaning up his mess. Oh wait a minute the rightwing doesn't do that they just blame everything on Clinton. And of course there is the dismal state of the U.S. which I guess you think the President of the United States has no responsiblilty for since it is not spelled out for you in the constitution.
This nation was in a sick, sorry state on the Clinton Watch. March 2000 (the start of the bear market) happened on Clinton's watch, as did the skullduggery by some CEOs when they decided to take undue advantage of a very overvalued market. Clinton allowed bin Laden to get away when that thug was literally offered to the Clinton Admin., etc. All these symptons were festering on the Clinton watch. Now Bush is trying to heal this nation by getting it back on the right track.
As far as "beating up on third rate dictators", I'm all for it when it means keeping WMD out of their hands, the hands of terrorists and depriving terrorists of a home base from which to operate. Sometimes the prudent thing to do is to use that big stick! Besides, are you saying that with a murderous scumbuket like Sodom Insane gone, the world is now the worse for it!?
I think not! Therefore, there is no mess that Bush has to fix in this world.
Boxcar
Lefty
05-18-2003, 08:59 PM
ljb, you've really went off into the deep end. Threats? I've never heard a conservative threaten a libera. But i've sure heard the reverse. What about when Alec Baldwin said on TV that Henry Hyde and his family should be murdered? What about when Geo Clooney said he was glad that Charlton Heston had alzheimer's. That's terrible.
What about Susan Sarandon leading the boycott of Dr. Laura's TV show but getting "bent out of shape" when someone suggests her and her husband's movies be boycotted.
What about a liberal writer (I forget her name) suggesting That she hopes Clarence Thomas' "white" wife feed him lots of steak and eggs so he would die of a heart attack? You want hate? It's on the left.
Raise taxes and fix the economy? It's never happened. How does raising taxes, taking money out of hard working people's pockets, taking money of investors' pockets, taking money out of businesses coffers so they can't expand and hire; how does that lead to a growing economy? It doesn't. You have failed economics 101 "F"
Picking on third world dicators!
The proper term is KILLING them. And their armies. And those that
harbour them. Why do liberals have so much trouble calling something what it is?
Easy does it Tom,
I did not say picking on third world dictators.
I said beating up third RATE dictators.
Why don't right wingers have the ability to see the beyond there noses?
Lefty,
What are you listening to ? Hearing all those threats from the left. I have never heard any of them.. When the Dixie Chicks (gotta luv em) were inteviewed on tv they said they had recieved threats of bodily harm to themselves and their families. I saw it, no hearsay evidence here.
As for raising taxes, the proof is in the pudding. Clinton did it and we had a robust economy. On the other hand Bush's first tax cut only cost us about a million jobs so far. If you can get by your personal greed for a minute and look at the big economic picture, you will understand that when the government stops sucking all the money out of the economy with there massive deficit spending, then this money is available for the private sector. This is a little more complicated then you probably are used to, so study it a while and you may finally see the big picture.
Boxcar,
Typical rightwing response. Blame everything on Clinton. I had enlightened Lefty on the fallacy of this argument. Perhaps you missed it.
And for the last time, you must understand that Osama's whereabouts on 9/11 had nothing to do with the attack. He could have been hanging in a meat locker in chicago and the attack would have still taken place. He was not in the plane nor was he air traffic controller.
What wmds?
With saddam gone the big oil companys are happy, the jury is still out on the rest of the world.
JustRalph
05-19-2003, 08:59 AM
Originally posted by ljb
As for raising taxes, the proof is in the pudding. Clinton did it and we had a robust economy. On the other hand Bush's first tax cut only cost us about a million jobs so far. If you can get by your personal greed for a minute and look at the big economic picture, you will understand that when the government stops sucking all the money out of the economy with there massive deficit spending, then this money is available for the private sector. This is a little more complicated then you probably are used to, so study it a while and you may finally see the big picture.
I don't know where the hell you get this Sh#t from......but remember the first rule of getting out of a hole.........stop digging.
I don't know how the hell deficit spending sucks money out of the economy? When the Government raises taxes and we have less to spend...........never mind........you are so far out on the left now you will say anything to try and prove your point. I will no longer participate in this discourse......you are just baiting ......
doophus
05-19-2003, 09:30 AM
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t06.htm
http://data.bls.gov/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?data_tool=latest_numbers&series_id=LNS12300000
The first link plainly shows that jobs have INCREASED since 4/2002 or 12/2002 (take your pick.)
Take a look at the bottom of chart that shows "Full-time employees."
BTW, the unfilled civilian positions previously held by the reservists call-ups negatively impacts the employment data while their present active military status is not included; consequently, a net negative to the total employment data.
The 2nd link shows employment topping out in early 2000 (maybe 3/2000.) Incidentally, that is the same period that the market chose to head south. Damn, GW should have been able to ward-off that downturn; after all, he WAS the govenor of TEXAS!
Maybe our on-board Klinton-lovers don't recognize this info as accurate because a Klintonesque administration did not prepare the report. We'll soon find out, huh?
Didn't Confucious say: "The first step in a Liberal's re-education is to teach them to present facts." If he didn't, he shoulda.
George Evans
Original phrase by JR I don't know where the hell you get this Sh#t from......but remember the first rule of getting out of a hole.........stop digging.
Well maybe you should convey that message to someone in the current administration. They keep making things worse.
Next words of wisdom from JR I don't know how the hell deficit spending sucks money out of the economy?
And just where in the hell do you think that money comes from, the tooth fairy?
You may be dumber then Lefty and Boxcar.
boxcar
05-19-2003, 10:56 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ljb
Lefty,
What are you listening to ? Hearing all those threats from the left. I have never heard any of them.. When the Dixie Chicks (gotta luv em) were inteviewed on tv they said they had recieved threats of bodily harm to themselves and their families. I saw it, no hearsay evidence here.
Oh, well, there you go. If the Dingbats said it, then it must be "gospel truth" -- or did they employ the victimhood ploy that the Left is so good at in order to garner some sympathy for themselves?
Boxcar
Lefty
05-19-2003, 01:19 PM
ljb, yes whatever the "chicks" dsay must be gospel. I presented several actual happenings: said on TV and printed and you ignore and then call me dumb. Clinton raised taxes and we had a good economy, so it must be true. Talk about kneejerk reactions. If facts mean anything to you, take a look at the numbers from Geo. H. Bushe's last quarter. The economy was improving and still doing so when Clinton took over. His massive tax raise actually set the economy up for a fall during the last days of his administration. Things don't happen cause and effect wise in two minute intervals as you would like to think.
Why don't you use some logic? Never mind, i've said it all before. The people make the economy and to do that they need the control of their own money. Most of Bushes tax cut HASN't taken effect, i.e. hasn't happened yet. Putting money into the people's pockets does not cost jobs it creates them. Read some basic economics.
Look at the sky. See those stars? A thinker like you would say, yep those stars are the stars i'm seeing, those stars are there, for sure.
But they are not. We're getting the light from stars that are long gone. Stop being so kneejerk. Read a little and think.
If tax raises helped the economy we should have been booming during every president's tenure that raised taxes. Such is not the case but EVERYTIME a pres has had a meaningful tax cut the economy has responded. That's a pesky fact. Call me dumb as you are wont to do in light of having no argument, but the FACTS bear me out.
Lefty,
I did not ignore your statements, they may be true for all I know. But you have been known to quote stuff you heard on one of them rightwing blab shows so I'll just leave it as it is. I only quoted what the dixie chicks said on the interview to give some credence to my statement. They may have been lying, I don't know.
And thanks for the astronomy lesson, I learned that when I was about 12 years old but, thanks for refreshing my memory.
NOW for the shocker, I just read an article today and may change my mind on this tax break thing. Writer said "If tax breaks are so good for the economy, why don't we just do away with all taxes?"
What do ya think? good idea hey! ;)
Boxcar,
Sorry, I forgot these notes are being read by rightwing whackos that don't believe anything unless they are told to by there leader.
Also I think I have found an area we can agree on. I explained it in my note to Lefty but in a nutshell, lets abolish ALL taxes. :D
Lefty
05-19-2003, 08:40 PM
ljb, hope you also got that I was using astronomy to illustrate that what you perceive isn't always true: i.e. Clinton was in when economy started coming around, so he musta done it. That star don't shine.
Do away with taxes? Well, yep, should do away with most of them. We need a bit for the military and we have this Ponzi scheme called Social Security to fund. We didn't even have income taxes till 1913. But if you want to be ludicrous I can come back at ya with: If raising taxes so good and govt can spend our money better than us, well then let's just give 100% of it to the govt?
I quote rightwingers: Sure I do, and unlike the left they have the facts to back up their statements and usually play actual clips of people saying some the things they say.
Alec Baldwin said the hateful statement about Hyde on a national late-night show: Letterman, I think and there was much "buzz" about it.
Sarandon was very vocal about boycotting Dr. Laura and her voice was all over the radio.
Likewise, plenty of "buzz" about Clooney glad about Heston having alzheimers and I have heard clips of the statement many times. But you never heard any of this? Sure, sure.
Anyone else out there not hear this and more?
boxcar
05-20-2003, 12:31 AM
Originally posted by ljb
Lefty,
... I just read an article today and may change my mind on this tax break thing. Writer said "If tax breaks are so good for the economy, why don't we just do away with all taxes?"
What do ya think? good idea hey! ;)
Only a clueless wonder like yourself would take someone's assinine remarks and run with it! No one here ever suggested abolishing taxes. Reason: SOME TAXATION IS NECESSARY to run the country. Even a moron know this.
However, the reverse is not true. Since brain-dead libs think that taxation is great for the economy, then, logically, the more we're taxed, the better the economy should be, right? So why not have the gov't tax 100% of everyone's income? Since Nanny Fed knows what's best for the masses, then we can just let the gov't take care of each one of us as it sees fit. No one would ever have to take any responsiibility for his own life again! The government would shoulder 100% of the responsibility from the day we're born to the day we die.
Boxcar
Originally posted by Boxcar " So why not have the gov't tax 100% of everyone's income?"
You are a nincompoop Boxcar. Everybody knows if we taxed 100% of there income nobody would work. It's idiots like you rightwingers that take some stupid idea and run with it.
Oh but you did say" SOME TAXATION IS NECESSARY"
So I guess the only disagreement we have here is how much taxation.
I suggested no tax and you suggested 100 percent tax. Somewhere in between there has to be a compromise.
;)
Lefty,
We cannot have a meaningful discussion here if you insist on being narrow minded. According to you anything said by anyone you disagree with is a lie and anything said by those you agree with is gospel. Come on now Lefty open up your eyes to something besides the stars above.
Oh I see you have jumped on the bandwagon with Boxcar promoting 100 percent taxation. Well I suggested 0 percent and you and Boxcar are for 100 percent. Somewhere in between the two we will have to compromise.
We maybe making progress here.
Course we must do something about them darn "Borrow and Spend Republicans":D
Lefty
05-20-2003, 03:29 PM
well, ljb, my 100% post was actually a wee bit before boxcar's, but we both had the same idea;point out absurdity with absurdity. Of course, some taxation necessary as we must have a military. Of course it's a comprimise as to how much, you are the "master of the obvious" But right now it's way too much and way too much wasted on FAILED social prgms mostly created by the left. If you want to pay more taxes you go right ahead. I want some back and I want america to flourish again and tax cuts are the way to do that. NO economy has ever taxed itself into prosperity and when a man told your hero Clinton thar right after Clinton elected first tie your hero had the IRS have the man audited. Your hero did that many times with people he didn't like.
I cited many examples of hate on the left and you never heard of any of them? They were so well publicized you are either lying or living under a rock. It's hard to have a meaningful discussion with a man who is painfully unaware of basic economics.
When Bush sentyou that $300 or $600 check a couple yrs ago(depends on single or married)did you spend it or did you promptly send it back. I hope you are true to the values you espouse and sent it back.
boxcar
05-21-2003, 01:26 AM
Originally posted by ljb
Originally posted by Boxcar " So why not have the gov't tax 100% of everyone's income?"
You are a nincompoop Boxcar. Everybody knows if we taxed 100% of there income nobody would work. It's idiots like you rightwingers that take some stupid idea and run with it.
Oh but you did say" SOME TAXATION IS NECESSARY"
So I guess the only disagreement we have here is how much taxation.
I suggested no tax and you suggested 100 percent tax. Somewhere in between there has to be a compromise.
;)
Ah...so you have the brilliant answer to "how much is too much"? You're the moron who said high taxes are good for the economy -- that high taxes will stimulate the ecomomy -- but now you say that if we were taxed 100% of our income that no one would work, right? Well...would people work if we taxed them 90% of their income? Or how about 80% of their income? Still too high? How 'bout 70%.
Furthermore, you objection falls flat because in a welfare state, the gov't takes care of everyone. Everyone should be tickled pink to turn over their bucks to the Feds. In return, the Feds on a monthly basis would send out Food Vouchers to everyone -- according to their need (i.e. size of family, size of pot pellies, etc..) Once a month, the Feds could also send out Entertainment Vouchers on an "as needed" basis (to be determined by the All Benevolent, All Knowing, All Wise Federal Gov't, of course), Clothing Vouchers, Totally Socialized Medical Care, etc., etc.. I don't see why people wouldn't want to work and just turn over all their money in exchange for the gov't assuming full responsibility for the personal welfare of each and every citizen of the state. No citizen would ever have to worry about their needs being met. No hungry kids. No homeless people. No medical attention ever denied.
Wouldn't this be the kind of ideal Utopia for which you and your ilk have been lusting and espousing? Wouldn't the playing field be perfectly level for everyone? What could possibly be fairer than this?
Or could it be that, in my suggestion to your "high taxes" fix for the economy, you see the fatal flaw to your own high taxation idea? But it appears that you're so oblivious to your own absurdites that you're not even aware that you just shot your own high taxation solution as a stimulus to the economy full of holes with the very objection you posted herein!
The irrefutable fact is that the more of their own money people get to keep, the greater incentive they will have to work and... even overachieve! Normal human beings like to be rewared for their work, achievements and accomplishments. And the more handsomely they're rewarded, the more motiviated they, generally, become to achieve even more.
For this reason, your utterly stupid notion that high taxation would act as a stimulus for the economy has about as much credence as the idiotic theory that Israel was behind the 9/11 attacks!
Boxcar
Boxcar,
your composition was too wordy, you will have to edit and resubmit.
A little historical data here.
In the 1920s after ww1 the taxes on the high earners were up to 74%. The government in there attempts at reducing this burden on the "well to do" began reducing the tax rate. They got it down to a more equitable 24%. Just in time for the great depression.
Sorry, but it appears that your greed tends to blur your vision.
Amazin
05-21-2003, 10:49 AM
Box Quote" idiotic theory that Israel was behind the 9/11 attacks!"
Poor way to put it.No one has said that.What has been suggested as shown on 20/20 was that Israel intelligence KNEW the attack was coming.It is also suggested that Bush KNEW the attacks were coming.Sure enough when Bush was taking heat and criticism when the story broke about him alledgedly knowing about the attacks and 9/11 victim families were getting on his case,he used his Iraq card(get out of hot water quick)and announced a world crisis with Iraq.Clinton of course used that with Monica.
boxcar
05-21-2003, 11:43 AM
Originally posted by ljb
Boxcar,
your composition was too wordy, you will have to edit and resubmit.
A little historical data here.
In the 1920s after ww1 the taxes on the high earners were up to 74%. The government in there attempts at reducing this burden on the "well to do" began reducing the tax rate. They got it down to a more equitable 24%. Just in time for the great depression.
Sorry, but it appears that your greed tends to blur your vision.
And I suppose the Great Depression happened the same hour the new tax law went into effect, right?
I see that your attention span is as short as your I.Q. But the real reason you won't respond is that the logic of my post is irrefutable, and your own objections in your previous post condemned your theory that high taxtation is a great stimulus for the economy.
Hope you were able to "wade" through this post, poor boy, without blowing any of your remaining circuitry.
Boxcar
Lefty
05-21-2003, 12:26 PM
Boxcar, ljb, and amazin live in a "knee jerk" reality. i.e. Clinton was in when the economy turned around so it must have been Clinton that did it. Never mind that the figures were improving during last quarter of Bush admin. Then Clinton raised taxes through the roof, and by golly, managed in 8 yrs to slow the economy dn and his last qtr proves it. Bush takes over, we have 9-11 on top of a stuttering economy and voila, knee-jerk, must be Bush's fault.
Taxes cut in 1929 and the great depression came along so "knee-jerk" musta been the tax cuts. Hey, never mind that the great stock mkt gains before the depression were built on 90% Margin. It was all a house of paper profits that was bound to collapse under its own wght.
Lefty
05-21-2003, 12:28 PM
amazin, that crazy leftist notion and hope that Bush knew 9-11 was coming has been analyzed to death by every leftist brain out there and the poor saps could find nothing. It's a pathetic rap put on a fine Pres by pathetic people.
Amazin
05-21-2003, 12:36 PM
Lefty:
That's what they said about Nixon's innocence and Watergate.Except Nixon had no wars to start for the wag the dog syndrome.Wuff.
Lefty
05-21-2003, 12:55 PM
amazin, pathetic even for you. No analagy here at all. Do you really think any President would let all those people die if he could have prevented it? Obviously, you do, and I find it sad and cynical, especially when there's not even a shred of evidence. Oh, there was a definite failing of a whole bunch of intelligenge agencies, FBI, CIA, FAA and the like who ea. had a piece of the puzzle without knowing the others had more pieces. It was their failing to communicate that was the prob. not Bush "knowing."
But this Pres. recognized the problem and created Homeland Security trying to force communication between these factions.
He's trying to "cure" the problem. Bush should be credited not scorned and the rest of the leftists recognize there is "nothing" to this wicked story. If you have nothing but allegations(not even your own, but leftist crap you've read)I suggest you produce proof positive or just shrink into the woodwork.
Hey, never mind that the great stock mkt gains before the depression were built on 90% Margin. It was all a house of paper profits that was bound to collapse under its own wght.
Seems the same idea applies to the perceived Clinton market. Folks bought all kinds of stock in companys that showed no earnings - never a sound investing strategy. Plus, some companys were committing fraud in their reporting. Everybody got caught up in it and ignored the signs. It was all going to come back down eventually. Clinton's tax hikes certainly didn't keep it afloat.
Jen
Amazin
05-21-2003, 03:13 PM
Lefty:
"Do you really think any President would let all those people die if he could have prevented it?"
Mental midget #2.You are unbelievably stupid(I don't care PA,this is idiocy).You have slapped in the face all the dead Americans who died believing in the American ideal.I previously told you about LBJ being shown on 60 minutes knowing full well that he could not win the war in Vietnam and sending American boys off to be slaughtered to save embarrassment to his administration.A fact burned in the anals of history.And you're trying to tell me no U.S. president has sacrificed his own people for his own sake.You are a disgrace to those whose only reason they did not die in vain was to inadvertently teach us this lesson.
PaceAdvantage
05-21-2003, 03:35 PM
More bait....
I'm sure glad that some who post here are not in charge. We would not be able to even have a cup of coffee and read the paper each morning.
wes
Lefty, I think it was you that asked me what I did with the $300 I got from Bush.
Well I know what I'm gonna do with it now. I'm gonna take it out of the bank. Probably worth about 302 now with the Bush economy charging ahead full steam. But anyway I'm gonna take it out of the bank and buy a cup of coffee at Bush's dinner for the rich and famous tonight. Can't wait, it's gonna be fun hey!!:(
On another subject what ever happened to that commision set up by the government to investigate the 9/11 attacks? You know the one that was originally headed up by that great republican diplomat H. Kissinger. I've heard rumors that it was squashed because they didn't like the results. We'll never know, it's most likely just another cover up by the Bush gang. ;)
Lefty
05-21-2003, 08:18 PM
ljb, you're baiting again. $300 more tha Clinton gave you. And nothing to investigate, liberals ought to be investigated for offering up this meritless crap.
Don't you ever get tired of digging up earth worms? (Bait)
And calling people names?
Don't you have anything to offer other than childishness?
Just curious. Because my freind has a two year old who does really annoying baby-things, but gets tired of it after a while.
You AMAZE me with your persistence.
boxcar
05-22-2003, 11:11 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ljb
Lefty, I think it was you that asked me what I did with the $300 I got from Bush.
Well I know what I'm gonna do with it now. I'm gonna take it out of the bank. Probably worth about 302 now with the Bush economy charging ahead full steam. But anyway I'm gonna take it out of the bank and buy a cup of coffee at Bush's dinner for the rich and famous tonight. Can't wait, it's gonna be fun hey!!:(
You're phonier and more shallow than I first imagined! Why don't you give your $300. to some homeless people or to hungry children, or to sick children who need medical attention, or to some other worthy cause? Like most bleeding hearts, you talk a good game, but when it comes to putting your money where your big mouth is...well, that's something else, isn't it?
Boxcar
Boxcar,
Too bad your so dense you can't get the Irony in my posts. You may be in the running for the dumbest poster on the board.
Did you get a chance to attend your leaders dinner last night? Or was it a bit pricey for you?
Unless you can take some of Lefty's smart pills, I may have to stop posting to you. I can only dumb down so much you know.
Lefty,
Would you be so kind as to take Boxcar on as a student? Do a little mentoring with him.
He seems to be getting dumber as time goes by.
I am really worried about him.
I'm getting ready to head out to the offsite, so I'll be away for a while. Hope you have a good day with your selections .
;)
One last quick note then I've got to go.
I see Bush's Team is starting to depart. Rumors have it they are tired of lying on a daily basis.
Well anyway you dudes have a nice day.:D
Lefty
05-22-2003, 12:30 PM
ljb, I don't worry about Boxcar, he knows economics, you and amazin still sittin' with F's. As far as people leaving the admin. it happens in all admin. especially Clinton's. Of course a lot of those either died or ended up in jail, didn't they?
Good luck racing, and remember, when Bush's tax cuts puts more in YOUR pocket you have more of a betting BR.
Like Billy-Bob-Joe never raised a ton of cahs selling dinners?
And "rumor has it?" c'mon....is that the best you can offer?
You just can't stand it that we have a president who is taking care of business and the people are behind him. AllI can say, if Al Gore were presidnet, we would not be on Orange alert...we would either be dead or going to a mosque.
Tom
All kidding aside, the Wall Street Journal has a breakdown today and with the various loop holes in Bush's tax cut many of the richest folks in the country will be paying no tax at all.
Now I have to agree with Lefty and Boxcar here. It just ain't right to tax these people just cause they worked hard and made a lot of money. After all what does this country have the middle class for if not to assist the rich and famous in there oppulent lifestyles?
No wonder they could afford $2500 a plate.:D
Lefty,
Funny I thought Powell would be the first to leave. I must have had a higher opinion of him then he deserves.
Now don't be shy, you are currently way ahead of Boxcar in smarts. This is based on his posts of course, maybe he is just playing dumb. Naw!
;)
Lefty
05-22-2003, 08:47 PM
ljb, get a new mantra. I'm tired of 'splaining economics to you. The middle class have jobs, the rich provide those jobs. A lot of those rich were formerly in the middle class. We would have more rich if we weren't taxed so much. I can't fathom the mentality that has been "duped" into believing the govt can spend his money better than him. But you and amazin or proof it can be done.
I agree that there are tax loopholes. I favor a national sales tax - pay for what you spend. The only exceptions would be on logical things. like medicine, some allowance for food, shelter, etc.
Then, when a rich guys buys a $100 suit, he pays more tax than
a guy who buys a K Mart t-shirt. Right now, the tax code is more confusing than the bible.
Lefty
05-22-2003, 11:15 PM
Actually the tax plan is miniscule and favors the 28% group more than any. Certainly that's not the super rich. I favor a flat tax. Russia's getting it's economic house together and they have beaten us to a flat tax. It's 13%.
But flat tax, National sales tax, anything better than the mess we have now.
Lefty,
Lefty's words: " The middle class have jobs ,the rich provide those jobs."
Turn this around. The rich have money, the middle class provide the labor to produce the money.
Im just saying , we all recieve the benefits of living in this great country, why should some not have to share in the expenses of providing those benifits?
This note from you appears to be of the slave mentality. Oh thank you massa for providing me with a job. I'll take care of you now.
boxcar
05-23-2003, 08:59 AM
Originally posted by ljb
Lefty,
Lefty's words: " The middle class have jobs ,the rich provide those jobs."
Turn this around. The rich have money, the middle class provide the labor to produce the money.
Im just saying , we all recieve the benefits of living in this great country, why should some not have to share in the expenses of providing those benifits?
This note from you appears to be of the slave mentality. Oh thank you massa for providing me with a job. I'll take care of you now.
Were you born with a brain tumor? Or did your mom drop you on your head at a very young, tender age? Just what is your excuse for being the resident village idiot on this board?
As usual you have things all backwards. You have put the cart before the horse. That "middle class" that provides the labor that produces the money for owners and/or officers of companies wouldn't have the job or even the opportunity to even attain to middle class status if it weren't for the entrepreneurs (a/k/a risk-takers) providing the job opportunities in the first place. (Try getting a job from a "middle class" working person next time you're out of work.)
Then you make it sound as though the middle class workers are doing the "rich" a favor by producing for them when in fact there is, in essence, a contractural relationship between worker and owner/management in that the former provides his knowledge, skill and services in exchange for monetary compensation from the latter. So how do you come up with this "slave mentailty" garbage? Slaves weren't compensated for their labor. All they were given, essentially, were three hots and a cot.
And lastly, the very tired and exceedingly worn out refrain that "we all receive benefits of living in this great country" is sophistry at its worst. Just from whom or what do these "benefits" flow? From the government? Is it the government that makes this country "great"? I think not! It's "we the people" who make this country what it iis -- or even more specifically the entrepreneurial types who provide job opportunities and all the productive workers who take advantage of those opportunities. Together these two groups make this country like no other on the face of this planet! This is precisely the reason why both groups are entitled to keep as much of their personal property (which their hard-earned money is!) as possible -- giving just enough to the Feds so that the gov't. can meet its constitutionally-ordained duties.
Boxcar
Boxcar,
How can one person have so much ignorance? I have asked Lefty to spend some time with you. You are going to have to co-operate if you ever expect to grow. If not, you shall be condemmed to spend the rest of your life in the totally ignorant state you are currently in.
The bulk of all jobs are provided by the middle class people in this country.
Nobody is doing anybody a favor.
The workers provide labor in exchange for monetary gain. The rich also receive monetary gain from this arrangment.
The slaves compensation was, as you said, three hots and a cot.
If Bush had his way we would be back in that condidtion. Now before you become unglued, I am not saying Bush is for slavery, I mean if the workers pay all the taxes and the rich just reap the benifits, the workers end up with 3 hots and a cot.
The benifits of living in this country are a result of the people of this country providing a government that organizes/implements things such as national defense and national highways etc.
We ALL enjoy these benifits, some more then others.
Why should a certain people not contribute to the cost of providing these benifits?:eek:
boxcar
05-23-2003, 09:50 AM
Originally posted by ljb
Boxcar,
Too bad your so dense you can't get the Irony in my posts. You may be in the running for the dumbest poster on the board.
Did you get a chance to attend your leaders dinner last night? Or was it a bit pricey for you?
Unless you can take some of Lefty's smart pills, I may have to stop posting to you. I can only dumb down so much you know.
There you go...flattering yourself again! I believe most here would agree that the only thing in your posts they see is willful ignorance and wanton stupidity.
Boxcar
boxcar
05-23-2003, 09:57 AM
Originally posted by Tom
Right now, the tax code is more confusing than the bible.
While the bible can be tough to properly interpret in some places because its truth is to be spiritually discerned, nonetheless its author is not the God of confusion:
1 Cor 14:33
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
KJV
Boxcar
Lefty
05-23-2003, 12:46 PM
ljb, what? Now the rich are denigrated for providing jobs? If you don't want a job, don't take it. You and amazin harp about jobs. Then you don't want a tax cut that will provide jobs. Now the rich are "bad" once again for providing those jobs. Do you know what you want? You're going in circles like a dog chasing its tail.
boxcar
05-23-2003, 02:18 PM
Originally posted by ljb
Boxcar,
How can one person have so much ignorance? I have asked Lefty to spend some time with you. You are going to have to co-operate if you ever expect to grow
I would delight in spending time with Lefty. He has far more on the ball than any socialist on this forum.
Our resident yo-yo continues:
If not, you shall be condemmed to spend the rest of your life in the totally ignorant state you are currently in.
Before telling someone how ignorant they are, learn to listen to your own blather. Maybe there's an outside chance you might actually blush at your own moronic statements, such as this one:
The bulk of all jobs are provided by the middle class people in this country
The bulk of all jobs are provided by the entrerpreneurs in this country -- not the middle class [working] people.
The entrepreneurs are the ones who assume all the risks by putting up the captial and by the expenditure of a great deal of time and effort in starting up business enterprises and trying to grow them. The "middle class" are what they are because they seize the job opportunitues offered by entrepreneurs -- many of whom are quite wealthy.
.
Yo-yo continues:
Nobody is doing anybody a favor.
The workers provide labor in exchange for monetary gain. The rich also receive monetary gain from this arrangment.
Wow! What a brilliant observation! Did you figure this out all by yourself, or were you forced-fed through tubes, as a final desperate meausre to bring you to your senses?
Our wannabe genius continues:
The slaves compensation was, as you said, three hots and a cot.
If Bush had his way we would be back in that condidtion. Now before you become unglued, I am not saying Bush is for slavery, I mean if the workers pay all the taxes and the rich just reap the benifits, the workers end up with 3 hots and a cot.
The "workers" dont' even come close to paying all the taxes. The "rich" are indeed paying more than their fair share of taxes. For Example, the top 1% wage earners earn nearly 21% of all income covered under the income tax and shoulder over 37% of the federal tax bite. In fact, the top 50% wage earners are paying over 96% of the taxes -- meaning that slightly less than $4. out of every $100 is being paid by the bottom 50% wage earners!
Educate yourself, you ignoramus, at this site:
http://rushlimbaugh.com/home/menu/top_50__of_wage_earners_pay_96_09__of_income_taxes .guest.html
Our "tax expert" continues:
The benifits of living in this country are a result of the people of this country providing a government that organizes/implements things such as national defense and national highways etc.
We ALL enjoy these benifits, some more then others.
Why should a certain people not contribute to the cost of providing these benifits?:eek:
And just what "certain people" would these be? Certainly not the wealthy according to IRS statistics!
Boxcar
Entrepreneurs are part of the middle class in this country. It is only a few that reach the status of rich and famous. Such as Bill Gates.
The certain people are the richest folks in the country who use the loopholes in Bush's tax plan to avoid paying any taxes at all.
Oh now I know why you are so DUMB, you are a dittohead. Sorry I had the misunderstanding that you may have a thought of your own. I was wrong you're just one of them brainless followers.
Well best of luck to you, Boxcar the lapdog.
JustRalph
05-23-2003, 04:53 PM
Originally posted by ljb
Entrepreneurs are part of the middle class in this country. It is only a few that reach the status of rich and famous. Such as Bill Gates. The certain people are the richest folks in the country who use the loopholes in Bush's tax plan to avoid paying any taxes at all.Oh now I know why you are so DUMB, you are a dittohead. Sorry I had the misunderstanding that you may have a thought of your own. I was wrong you're just one of them brainless followers. Well best of luck to you, Boxcar the lapdog.
hmmm.........how do you make the ignore button work?
I figured it out.........and it works pretty well.............
Gawd! I wish we just had a flat tax of 15 - 17% for everyone with no getting out of it and be done with it! Finished. Finito. Done! How much simpler would that be?
Jen
Lefty
05-23-2003, 08:38 PM
Well, from what I heard on the liberal news tonight, this tax plan will help middle class businesses and people with children. That's a good thing. You accuse Boxcar of not thinking for himself because he put up a link to Rushes site? Those figures he's talking about on Rushes site are straight from the IRS.
And all you're doing is parroting the liberal mantra; and are not swayed by facts.
Lefty
05-23-2003, 08:41 PM
Jen, we can't get a flat tax cause liberals like ljb and Democrats say that also helps the rich too much. They won't be "bothered" with facts so it's an uphill climb.
Did you say Ignore Button or Ignorance Button?
I think of couple of posters have made the mistake already!:rolleyes:
Enjoy the tax cut......it is even more delicious when you watch the liberals squirm and whine about it. The real significance of the passage of the cut today is that the Democrates should have been able to stop it, but they didn't - they, like the Taliban and the Republican Guard, are powerless-they have no leadership and cannot mount any offense anymore. With any kind of Demo leader, they could have offered an alternate tax plan-they could not. With leadership, they could have pulled in enough middle of the road republicans to defeat the bill. They could not. The dems are in worse shape now that they were the day AllGore rode into the sunset.
Like our resident whiners, all they have left is TomDasshole to sit on the sidelines and take pot shots at the success of W and to cry and moan. So hit the ignore button if you want to, but this is just too sweet to miss.....heh,heh,heh.
lousycapper
05-24-2003, 01:14 AM
It looks like Robert Prechter's right. In his book on socionomics [his term] he predicted that once deflation started people would become more zenophobic, tending to gather together in tightly knit groups to the exclusion of others. This thread is seems to prove it.
I don't know how I will vote when I reach age of majority. It certainly won't be for either major party unless one or both are replaced. Euro-style socialism is rampant in both parties. George Wallace said, "There isn't a dime's worth of difference between the two parties", and was decades before I was born. If you figure in the inflation rate from the time he said it, the difference works out to be about a penny, even after you calculate the dis-inflation - deflation factor. I sincerely hope another party based on the constitution comes to power. It's about time for a change. Who knows, it's happened before... the Whigs and the Ripublicans [no that's not a misspelling].
I hope that no offense is taken, but that's one young man's feelings.
-L.C.
boxcar
05-24-2003, 09:27 AM
Originally posted by ljb
Entrepreneurs are part of the middle class in this country. It is only a few that reach the status of rich and famous. Such as Bill Gates.
The certain people are the richest folks in the country who use the loopholes in Bush's tax plan to avoid paying any taxes at all.
Oh now I know why you are so DUMB, you are a dittohead. Sorry I had the misunderstanding that you may have a thought of your own. I was wrong you're just one of them brainless followers.
Well best of luck to you, Boxcar the lapdog.
Truly, truly you must be a big fan of the Useless Numbskulls headquartered in the Big Apple 'cause you're one of the biggest numskulls with which I've had the displeasure of crossing paths. If you had bothered to read the data on Rush's site, you would have learned., as Lefty pointed out, that those numbers were taken from IRS stats! But what's the use!? (In fact those stats were broken down in detail on another page on Rush's site taken directly from the IRS!) How can I reason with a liberal who probably thinks that the Bottom 50% of wage earners are shouldered with 96% of the tax burden?
Boxcar
I thought you were going to push the ignore button. I really don't have time for such ignorance.
You just continue living in flush bimbo land. If you are ever interested in joining reality I'm sure there is someone who can help you.,
And please stop posting what you think I probably think. You have enough trouble posting what flush bimbo tells you to think.
Here doggy, good doggy, want a treat doggy? heres a nice little tax cut, they're yummie.
Where did I get the nice tax cut you ask. I took it from the veterans benifits and if we need more we can get them from that nasty overtime bucket we used to have to pay the peons.
And if we still need more, well hell we'll borrow it from the kids and grandkids.
How do you greedy dogs sleep at night? :rolleyes:
PaceAdvantage
05-24-2003, 06:04 PM
Originally posted by lousycapper
It looks like Robert Prechter's right. In his book on socionomics [his term] he predicted that once deflation started people would become more zenophobic, tending to gather together in tightly knit groups to the exclusion of others. This thread is seems to prove it.
I don't know how I will vote when I reach age of majority. It certainly won't be for either major party unless one or both are replaced. Euro-style socialism is rampant in both parties. George Wallace said, "There isn't a dime's worth of difference between the two parties", and was decades before I was born. If you figure in the inflation rate from the time he said it, the difference works out to be about a penny, even after you calculate the dis-inflation - deflation factor. I sincerely hope another party based on the constitution comes to power. It's about time for a change. Who knows, it's happened before... the Whigs and the Ripublicans [no that's not a misspelling].
I hope that no offense is taken, but that's one young man's feelings.
-L.C.
Boy, you sound very mature for your age....
lousycapper
05-24-2003, 06:22 PM
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Where did I get the nice tax cut you ask. I took it from the veterans benifits and if we need more we can get them from that nasty overtime bucket we used to have to pay the peons.
And if we still need more, well hell we'll borrow it from the kids and grandkids.
How do you greedy dogs sleep at night? :rolleyes: [/B]
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Stop worrying about the tax-cut. President Bush will follow in his father's footsteps... id est, a one term Presidency. "It's the economy stupid" that will do him and the Ripublicans in, even though they are not responsible for the economy. There is no way a government or governments can manage an economy over the long term without serious consquences. It's the collective mood of the people that determines bull or bear markets, hence the economy. Japan is a perfect example. They [government] have lowered interest rates in some cases to zero by purchasing bonds etc. Has it helped? Nope! Now our Federal Reserve Chairman has said the Fed. [a private banking trust] will assist the Treasury to prevent deflation by purchasing government obligations [bonds, et cetera]. If they do we will likely follow Japan's economic decline.
P.S. As a Grand Kid I know I'll be paying for it. Hopefully, I'll be able to afford it!
-L.C.
benifits
LJB,
Would you please learn to spell "benefits" since you're so busy expecting them?
Plus, I must say that you really are a rude old leftist. It is very unattractive, unnecessary and does not serve you or anybody well in a debate. If you had a factual argument to put forth then there would be no need for you to inject your posts with such snide meaness.
Since PhD economists can't all agree on a strategy then how are we to know? I think we all just have to wait it out and see what happens.
Jen
lousycapper
05-24-2003, 06:49 PM
Originally posted by PaceAdvantage
Boy, you sound very mature for your age....
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I'm home schooled so, when my studies are finished, I read... about economics, history, horse racing, computers and anything else that's interesting.
-L.C.
lousycapper
05-24-2003, 07:06 PM
Originally posted by ljb
Here doggy, good doggy, want a treat doggy? heres a nice little tax cut, they're yummie.
Where did I get the nice tax cut you ask. I took it from the veterans benifits and if we need more we can get them from that nasty overtime bucket we used to have to pay the peons.
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:D And to think we revolted against King George because of a tax increase on tea of less than a penny. Makes one wonder doesn't it? We get fat, dumb and happy and what the hay... let 'em raise our taxes and redistribute the wealth... Uncle Sam and the Grand Kids will pay for it! It's time for a reality check... "there ain't no free lunch!" I'm one of those Grand Kids! :D
-L.C.
Originally posted by ljb
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Where did I get the nice tax cut you ask. I took it from the veterans benifits and if we need more we can get them from that nasty overtime bucket we used to have to pay the peons.
And if we still need more, well hell we'll borrow it from the kids and grandkids.
How do you greedy dogs sleep at night? :rolleyes:
Ljb...how do you spell PORK?
Don't try and pass off that tired old argument about robbing the childred...there is more than enough waste and pork on both sided of the aisle to cover twice the tax cut we got. Our elected officials are the ones that are creating a deficit. Congress, you, know, the opposite of PROgress? That is the price of the big brother governement you liberal insist on. Take a look at the pork chops some of YOUR demo heros have wasted billions of dollars on. If you and you demos are that concerned about the veterna dn childredn, why don't you ask them to stop screwing them every day of the year? How about Tom Dasshole not taking his salary this year? Or cutting back on his office expenses?
What have we got here, a match race between you and Amazin for the title of Master-baiter?
lousycapper
05-24-2003, 07:26 PM
Originally posted by Lefty
anything better than the mess we have now.
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Isn't it ironic that it takes a KGB/Communist [Mr. Putin] to convince the Duma to go to a "flat" tax while our Washington weasels scoffed at Mr. Forbes' "flat" tax plan? Don't worry about a "flat" tax anytime soon. Too many accountants, lawyers, lobbists, legislators and other leaches of society would be out of work. If you are among those leaches, please, no offense. I'm sure you'll do just fine without the "tax code full employment plan".
-L.C.
lousycapper
05-24-2003, 07:50 PM
Originally posted by Tom
Ljb...how do you spell PORK?
Perhaps, we should adopt the Late President Truman's frugalness. His staff was very, very small. In fact it was about one-half the size of the average staff in Congress today. Let's face it PORK is everywhere... Ripublicans or Dumocrats. It's the power to tax that's the power to corrupt... "and brudder, we is kerupt!" Once the public is allowed to vote its own largess the treasury will be looted.
-L.C.
Dave Schwartz
05-24-2003, 08:49 PM
LC,
I'd agree with you about the flat tax being the best idea and that it won't happen because of all the CPAs, tax attorneys, and IRS workers that would be out of work.
On that subject, does anyone know where the IRS ranks in terms of total employees when compared with the other large "businesses" of the world? I'd have to think they rank very high.
Dave
lousycapper
05-24-2003, 09:10 PM
Originally posted by Dave Schwartz
LC,
On that subject, does anyone know where the IRS ranks in terms of total employees when compared with the other large "businesses" of the world? I'd have to think they rank very high.
Dave
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They cost us $10,000,000,000 with about 100,000 [too many] employees.
-L.C.
Originally posted by Dave Schwartz
LC,
I'd agree with you about the flat tax being the best idea and that it won't happen because of all the CPAs, tax attorneys, and IRS workers that would be out of work.
Dave
Two words - Soylent Green. :eek:
PaceAdvantage
05-24-2003, 10:43 PM
Originally posted by lousycapper
Perhaps, we should adopt the Late President Truman's frugalness. His staff was very, very small. In fact it was about one-half the size of the average staff in Congress today. Let's face it PORK is everywhere... Ripublicans or Dumocrats. It's the power to tax that's the power to corrupt... "and brudder, we is kerupt!" Once the public is allowed to vote its own largess the treasury will be looted.
-L.C.
There is no way in the world you are under age 40...... ;)
JustRalph
05-24-2003, 11:11 PM
Originally posted by PaceAdvantage
There is no way in the world you are under age 40...... ;)
Hey......PA.......he says he is home schooled.......sounds like it took him 30 years to get through high school! If he is a teen....he is a smart kid.
lousycapper
05-24-2003, 11:16 PM
Originally posted by PaceAdvantage
There is no way in the world you are under age 40...... ;)
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I wish the clerks at Safeway could be convinced that I'm at least 21 so I could buy a beer once in awhile. Grampa has been pretty good about letting me have a Heineken's when Gramma isn't around. I really like the taste of beer.
-L.C.
The more you play this game, the more you will come to love the taste of beer, gin, vodka, rye, whiskey, scotch, roll-on deodorant, Nyquil, cleaning fluid, lighter fluid, perfume, colonge, moth balls...
Lefty
05-24-2003, 11:40 PM
ljb, you don't get it and it looks like you'll never get it. You're the slave, the doggie, repeating the mantra from the Demos handbook.
Get this, Tax cuts do not cost money. They produce more money. It's not a zero sum game.
lousycapper
05-24-2003, 11:51 PM
Originally posted by Tom
The more you play this game, the more you will come to love the taste of beer, gin, vodka, rye, whiskey, scotch, roll-on deodorant, Nyquil, cleaning fluid, lighter fluid, perfume, colonge, moth balls...
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Funneee! But it sounds pretty extreme to me. I'll just stick to an occasional beer.
-L.C.
Lefty
05-25-2003, 12:28 AM
Tom, Soylent Green, ummmm.
Lefty's quote
" Tax cuts do not cost money. They produce more money. It's not a zero sum game.
" HUH?
The same way the Bush gang produces the money they are spending in there ever growing deficit.
Lefty
05-25-2003, 12:37 PM
What do you mean, huh? The facts are there. Reagan's tax cuts more than DOUBLED the money the in IRS Treasury coffers. Look it up and learn a fact. This tax cut will mostly benefit small business' and families. Are you against small business and families too?
I see guys 30-50 gambling on horses and other things every day and brag about the free meals they get via charities, sleep at a shelter, prob. scamming govt for disability chks and taking adv of a generous society. Are these the type of people you want to help, ljb, through the govt. keeping our hard earned money?
lousycapper
05-25-2003, 01:34 PM
I know that the probability of me collecting any form of Social Security is about as great as a dead horse winning the T.C. Isn't it interesting how our Congressional leaders never take a pay cut when things get tough? They vote to give themselves pay raises regularly, however! I bet you working folks out there would love to give yourselves a pay raise whenever you need more money. Tell that one to your boss or union. They'd laugh so hard their guts would split. Maybe I should forget about my dream to follow in Grampa's footsteps and run for political office. You get elected and reap all the perquisites, especially if elected to Congress. No Social Security for them! No Medicare for them! Nope, they retire and get freebies you only dream about. And what have they done? They have allowed inflation to rob you while you're sleeping for the past 70 years. Now we're facing deflation which will rob those of you who are in debt. Yet you keep re-electing these thieves. I just don't get it? Maybe when I'm older I'll understand. Gotta go finish my homework now
-L.C.
Derek2U
05-25-2003, 02:03 PM
before you start collecting SS / pensions, get urself into the
War Room so we can see how u pick horses in real races before
the race is over. derek
lousycapper
05-25-2003, 04:27 PM
Originally posted by Derek2U
before you start collecting SS / pensions, get urself into the
War Room so we can see how u pick horses in real races before
the race is over. derek
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Mr Derek,
Thank you for the offer but at this time I will have take a bye.
Now I will give you my reasons:
When I was 13 my Mom and my Gramma said that I would be able to get a provisional driver's license when I reached 15. I was grounded for 6 months and told to wait until my 16th birthday because I was posting daily selections at the Yahoo horse forum. They thought it was a pornographic site because of all the foul language. I'm skating on thin ice with both of them again. They think I'm spending too much time on the internet. Secondly, after posting my selections, there was a lot of ridicule about my age and that the selections were past posted even though they weren't. Maybe some of you remember those incidents? Too young to smoke, drink or vote but old enough to ridicule.
Right now, my ability to get a driver's license and get into the university are my top priorities. Handicapping is my avocation, not my profession. Besides, what's so special about the War Room? I have posted some selections on the regular board and will continue to do so, as time permits. Once again, thank you!
-L.C.
Derek2U
05-25-2003, 04:56 PM
Dear Mr LC: You Type 2 much. In that regard, you join both
Lefty & BoxCar who really are more appropriate for other non-
capping rooms. You took more time to tell me why you cant share
your picks than it would take for you to post them. That's so
common. Maybe when you get your drivers permit you'll find
time to put your words on the line?
lousycapper
05-25-2003, 05:37 PM
Originally posted by Derek2U
Dear Mr LC: You Type 2 much. In that regard, you join both
Lefty & BoxCar who really are more appropriate for other non-
capping rooms. You took more time to tell me why you cant share
your picks than it would take for you to post them. That's so
common. Maybe when you get your drivers permit you'll find
time to put your words on the line?
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Mr. Derek,
No disrespect, but are you one of those Yahoo people who used ridicule me? Seems like nothing changes on these forums. What a pity! Tell you what, you play your selections and I'll play mine that way we'll both be happy. Good Luck!
-L.C.
Lefty
05-25-2003, 07:09 PM
LC, want a pay raise? Then vote for the party likely to give you a tax cut. We need term limits to take care of these guys. When term limits was brght up for a vote after the 94 congressional election most republicans voted for it and most dems did not. The choice is clear.
Derek must have trble picking winners cause he keeps harping at everyone to share theirs. Anyway, that's how I read His PP's.
lousycapper
05-25-2003, 07:36 PM
Originally posted by Lefty
LC, want a pay raise? Then vote for the party likely to give you a tax cut. We need term limits to take care of these guys. When term limits was brght up for a vote after the 94 congressional election most republicans voted for it and most dems did not. The choice is clear.
Derek must have trble picking winners cause he keeps harping at everyone to share theirs. Anyway, that's how I read His PP's.
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Mr. Lefty,
The only pay I receive is a small, and I mean small, allowance plus any small bets I happen to win.
I doubt if we'll ever see term limits. Mostly it's a dog and pony show in Washington.
A lot of folks are really up tight these days due to the uncertainty in the stock market. Maybe that's why Mr. Derek is asking folks to share their selections?
-L.C.
Lefty
05-25-2003, 07:50 PM
The Republicans(most) are serious about term limits the Dems are not. As long as you elect Dems and make Congress a close vote it will not happen.
If you want more social tinkering and more taxes, then by all means vote them Dems. I will not. The game of politics being what it is(trying to please everybody)it's always a lesser of 2 evils vote and that's the Republicans.
Leftys words:
"Reagan's tax cuts more than DOUBLED the money the in IRS Treasury coffers. "
How does this compare with the fact that the Reagan era brought us the highest deficit in history, up til now that is?
All those bums/scammers you see are going to continue with there lifestyle no matter what the tax situation is. If they do receive monies from the federal government it would be a mear pittance compared to the amounts the very rich are about to recieve in the form of a tax cut.
Basically Lefty, if we are going to live in a civilized society, we are going to need government of some sort. This government has to be supported financially. There should be some equity in the taxes people pay. Ideally it would be totally fair to all but, we do live in a real world not a fantasy world and total fairness is in the eyes of the beholder.
IMHO it is not fair that the lower income people should have to pay a larger percentage of there income in taxes then the well to do. Now remember federal income taxes are not the only taxes we all pay.
boxcar
05-26-2003, 12:05 PM
Originally posted by ljb
Leftys words:
"Reagan's tax cuts more than DOUBLED the money the in IRS Treasury coffers. "
How does this compare with the fact that the Reagan era brought us the highest deficit in history, up til now that is?
All those bums/scammers you see are going to continue with there lifestyle no matter what the tax situation is. If they do receive monies from the federal government it would be a mear pittance compared to the amounts the very rich are about to recieve in the form of a tax cut.
Basically Lefty, if we are going to live in a civilized society, we are going to need government of some sort. This government has to be supported financially. There should be some equity in the taxes people pay. Ideally it would be totally fair to all but, we do live in a real world not a fantasy world and total fairness is in the eyes of the beholder.
IMHO it is not fair that the lower income people should have to pay a larger percentage of there income in taxes then the well to do. Now remember federal income taxes are not the only taxes we all pay.
Since the "very rich" (let's say the top 1% of Wage Earners for the sake of disussion) are paying over $37. for every $100. collected by the Feds in taxes and you consider this to be inequitable -- just what would you consider to be fairer? Should the "very rich" be bearing 50% of the load? 70% of the load? 95% of the load? Tell us what YOU would consider to be a "fair" tax burden for the "very rich".
Boxcar
Derek2U
05-26-2003, 12:25 PM
A very fair tax plan --- and one that could balance Bush's drunken
spending --- is for the Feds to tax guys like you $0.10/Each for
every inane word you type here. Myself (+ others) wonder if you
have ever posted a racing thought out of the estimated 6 trillion
words typed?
Lefty
05-26-2003, 08:56 PM
ljb, we're talking tax cuts: Are you telling me that getting double the money caused deficits? Do you really blve that? A lot was spent on making our military rhe mighiest in the world and caused Russia to fold its cards. But if we didn't have that tax cut that DOUBLED the money to the Treasury where would our deficit be? we might have had WW111 by now. if Reagan hadn't knocked Russia out of the arms race. Getting more money into the treasury is a good thing. If you don't think so, then next time you're offered a raise, turn it down and tell the boss you can't afford it.
Derek, you make more sense when you're talking about handicapping.
Lefty,
You are trying to put a spin on this that just don't fit.
If we hadn't had the tax cuts we would have quadrupled the money and we wouldn't have had the second largest deficit in our history. (Bush is creating the largest deficit in history as we sit idly by counting our $300.)
As far as ww3 goes, Bush is working on it just let him drop in the polls.
boxcar
05-26-2003, 11:27 PM
LJB, I'm still waiting for an answer to the question I posed earlier today relative to what you'd consider to be an equitable tax burden the "very rich" should bear.
Boxcar
Lefty
05-27-2003, 12:37 AM
ljb, facts mean nothing to you. We hadn't quadrupled the money before but we did double it AFTER the tax cut. How in the world would we have quadrupled it without doing nothing? Doesn't make sense. You're the master spinner. Good thing most people are gettin wise that taking money from theworking people and giving to misfits does nothing to help.
You just keep on voting for Demos who spend money like water and then raise taxes. Just give it all to 'em. They got you flummoxed. How anyone can be convinced that giving more of their hard earned money to the govt to waste studying cow flatulence and the like is way beyond me, brother. Don't you think you are able to spend your own money in a better manner than the govt? I guess not. You must not think much of your own decision making nor the decision making of hard working american people.
Lefty's words
" Good thing most people are gettin wise that taking money from theworking people and giving to misfits does nothing to help.
You just keep on voting for Demos who spend money like water and then raise taxes. "
By misfits do you mean the well to do?
You know, those folks you see sitting in the owners boxes everyday sipping on there mint juleps and soaking up all the other perks, that in the end are being paid for by the $2.00 punter.
You just keep on voting for the Repubs who spend money like water and then borrow it from your children and grandchildren so you can hoard your $300.
My dearest Jen,
If you will notice my rude/snide remarks are always in response to a note containing same.
And thank you for pointing it out to the board that i have been spelling benefits wrong.
Perhaps you could take on that responsibility spell checking everyones posts.
That would be charitable wouldn't it?:p
Tom,
The govenment wastes money. I agree. My concern is where the wasted money is going. In short the republicans build bombs and prisons while the democrats build roads and schools.
I would prefer the roads and schools.
It appears most everyone else here wants the bombs and prisons.
The big problem with conservative is they think the republicans are spending less. They are NOT, they are in fact spending more. Congress is controlled by the republicans and they are spending like there is no tommorow.
Oops not sure if i spelled that right, where is Jen when you need her?
Boxcar,
I attempted to reply to your question yesterday but got tied up at the track. This morning i have been scrolling back to find one of your posts where you replied to something I wrote, with a comment such as: That data is from one of them lying scum sucking lamebrained liberals.
So my reply would be the same except you would substitute redneck rightwinger for liberal.
In otherwords I don't believe any data you get off the flush bimbo website.
Now heres a question for you. What do you think of a tax law that allows horseplayers to deduct there losses up to the amount of there winnings, and stockplayers to deduct all there losses, no limit?
I play both games so am not biased in this matter.
Oh and for Jen I'll put your latest address to me in here from Boxcar "don't be a spineless wuss, you airhead"
boxcar
05-27-2003, 11:56 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ljb
Boxcar,
I attempted to reply to your question yesterday but got tied up at the track.
Judging from your idiotic reply below, I have to take it you were tied up on the track and got run over by a 12-horse field.
This morning i have been scrolling back to find one of your posts where you replied to something I wrote, with a comment such as: That data is from one of them lying scum sucking lamebrained liberals.
Irrelevant to the question I asked. What does that alleged comment have to do with the straightforward question I asked you?
So my reply would be the same except you would substitute redneck rightwinger for liberal. In otherwords I don't believe any data you get off the flush bimbo website.
This isn't an answer, you numbskull! I didn't ask you if you believed the IRS data on Rush's site. I asked you what you think would be a fair tax burden for the "very rich". (Hint: Pick a percentage of the tax revenue you think they should pay -- anywhere from 0% to 100% .)
Now heres a question for you.
I will answer no questions until you respond to mine. Moreover, if you had bothered to read what I think about the income tax system generally, you would have surmised what my answer would be to your red herring-type question.
Oh and for Jen I'll put your latest address to me in here from Boxcar
"don't be a spineless wuss, you airhead"
Given your stupid remarks in this post, my observations about your questionable character and lack of acuity were really on the mild side. I'll stick by my words until you reply intelligently to my question.
Boxcar
Lefty
05-27-2003, 01:49 PM
ljb, ah, so you think the well to do are misfits. Hmmm, says a lot. They are the people, who far the most part, have worked and sacrificed to get where they are, and they are rewarded with excessive taxes and you call them misfits. Your class envy is showing bigtime.
The fact that this tax cut mostly benefits families and small business has just soared over your head, or you just once more refuse to aknowledge a fact, and keep harping about Bush. The Republicans hold a slim majority in congress so any money being spent is also being spent by Demos too.
And you know we did have 9-11 and millions of dollars given to NY and to families of victims. And the war on terrorism and Homeland security has a high price tag as well. Of course we could keep that money in our pockets and let the terrorists have their way with us.
Misfits: Those bums I see everyday, living on the public dole, won't work, get food stamps and sell them to buy beer cigs and drugs. I'm tired of supporting this group.
The fact you seem to dislike Rush so intensely shows your extreme liberalism i.e. "narrow mindedness"
On the news: Report of the tax cut has inspired consumer confidence.
Do you know what happens when the consumers have confidence?
deduct there losses up to the amount of there winnings
Just to be a pain in the neck...it should be "their" since you are talking about people.
There really ought to be a spell check or grammer check on this thing! Or maybe if somebody's ideas are misguided, the type could just pop up in red or green as in Word. (Man! Now that I started this, I better make damn sure I don't have any typos!) :p
And yes, I think Boxcar should tone down the meaness as well. He has very thoughtful, researched responses that don't need to be accompanied by name calling.
I realize that I started out on this board with one uncontrolled, ill advised outburst but I think most would say that I've been pretty civil since. Anybody's side of a debate will be taken more seriously without name calling. I know you all get heated in your arguments but sometimes waiting an hour (or a day) before you furiously type out your responses might make your posts a little less shrill and, therefore, more persuasive.
Geez! And I'm the girl here!
Jen
JustRalph
05-27-2003, 04:03 PM
I am telling you, the ignore button can work wonders around here. I have only two people ignored and things are just great.
Box......and Lefty....don't take anymore of these guys bait. Let them "wither on the vine" you guys have tried to enlighten them and they refuse to see the light. You cannot make a blind man see a photo finish. Remember he is blind............ and the blindness of their ilk is why we still put up with people like Jesse Jackson and Bill Clinton. Their followers will never see the light. They will never be healed with truth, it is through deceit and lies that they spawn more and more blindness.
Let them go....... release them! Release the Hounds!
(whisper inflection) Excellent! (whisper) :cool: :D
lousycapper
05-27-2003, 11:24 PM
Originally posted by JustRalph
Let them go....... release them! Release the Hounds!
(whisper inflection) Excellent! (whisper) :cool: :D
:D You forgot the button to the office trap door. :D
Amazin
05-28-2003, 12:32 AM
LC
I think he forgot how to think.A lost art with conservatives like these.They've been told it's unpatriotic.
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