BILL CLINTON

[lamboguy]

the man walks into NORTH KOREA, talks to the man and gets the prisoners release.

do you think they should allow him a third term in office? he gotta be alot better than the 2 bozo's that followed his term.

[Black Ruby]

A racing mule would be better than the two that followed him, lambo.

We're unlikely to get anybody good as long as corporate contributions are running things, and the supremes may reverse McCain-Feingold and another bill that limited contributions, so it'll only get worse. We get stuck with who the corps want, and they reward themselves (see Goldmine Sacks)

[andymays]

Good for Bill. I am no Bill Clinton fan but now that he got into the news in a big way let's see em try to get him out of the spotlight. :cool: Look for some newsworthy quotes over the next few weeks. I'm guessing most of his quotes won't make the current administration very happy. We can only hope! ;)

[Tom]

Congratulations.....the bottom line is our people are free.

Obviously, we will not hear what was said, but the results are what count.
I hope we did not promise them more concessions for this, though.

[ArlJim78]

I would love to know the back story here, what deals were made, etc.

He didn't just drop in and work this thing out on his own, there had to be something prearranged in it for Kim Il Dung.

glad for those two girls, a prison in NorKo is not where you want to spend a lot of time.

[mostpost]

Congratulations.....the bottom line is our people are free.

Obviously, we will not hear what was said, but the results are what count.
I hope we did not promise them more concessions for this, though.
Tom, There will be a car coming by to pick you up in about an hour. Pack for a long trip. :D

[cj's dad]

Big Hils has to be thrilled with being upstaged by her gigilo husband :lol:

He did what she could not do. Makes her look really effetcive as Secretary of State.

[Snag]

Big Hils has to be thrilled with being upstaged by her gigilo husband :lol:

He did what she could not do. Makes her look really effetcive as Secretary of State.

Would like to be a fly on the wall when big Bill gets home:

Hillary - YOU'VE BEEN WHERE AND DID WHAT? :lol: :lol:

[chickenhead]

you have to assume it was already all prearranged...but that does beg the question of why WJC? Maybe just in case North Korea backed out at the last minute i spose.

[cj's dad]

you have to assume it was already all prearranged...but that does beg the question of why WJC? Maybe just in case North Korea backed out at the last minute i spose.

The question begs to be asked; why would he embarrass his wife like that??
Why not arrange the deal and then put her in place to look like the broker of same?? Very very strange.

Maybe 'ol Billie boy sold some more nuclear secrets to the ROK.

Glad the women are coming home, but Hilary has been made to look very ineffectual as SOS and by her husband no less.

Dems ?? opinions-comments-excuses- spins ????

[NJ Stinks]

The question begs to be asked; why would he embarrass his wife like that??
Why not arrange the deal and then put her in place to look like the broker of same?? Very very strange.

Maybe 'ol Billie boy sold some more nuclear secrets to the ROK.

Glad the women are coming home, but Hilary has been made to look very ineffectual as SOS and by her husband no less.

Dems ?? opinions-comments-excuses- spins ????

I've got bad news for you. The rest of the world, unlike the Republican party, loved and loves Bill Clinton. (Somehow I don't think your guy (GWB) would have had the same effect. :D ) Maybe, just maybe, Kim Jong just wanted to meet Bill.

Unlike you (and apparently Hannity, who just tried to spin this into ominous news), Hillary is probably thrilled with the news that the women are on their way home. Honestly, do you really think Bill went without with the OK of the Hillary's State Department? :rolleyes:

[lamboguy]

I've got bad news for you. The rest of the world, unlike the Republican party, loved and loves Bill Clinton. (Somehow I don't think your guy (GWB) would have had the same effect. :D ) Maybe, just maybe, Kim Jong just wanted to meet Bill.

Unlike you (and apparently Hannity, who just tried to spin this into ominous news), Hillary is probably thrilled with the news that the women are on their way home. Honestly, do you really think Bill went without with the OK of the Hillary's State Department? :rolleyes:i hate to tell you this, but most republican's i know loved bill. they made lots of money with him

[NJ Stinks]

i hate to tell you this, but most republican's i know loved bill. they made lots of money with him

That may well be true, Lamboguy. But good luck finding one who says anything remotely nice about him.

[chickenhead]

The question begs to be asked; why would he embarrass his wife like that??
Why not arrange the deal and then put her in place to look like the broker of same?? Very very strange.

Maybe 'ol Billie boy sold some more nuclear secrets to the ROK.

Glad the women are coming home, but Hilary has been made to look very ineffectual as SOS and by her husband no less.

Dems ?? opinions-comments-excuses- spins ????

You'll never get mistaken for Henry Kissinger, I'll give you that.

[slewis]

A racing mule would be better than the two that followed him, lambo.

We're unlikely to get anybody good as long as corporate contributions are running things, and the supremes may reverse McCain-Feingold and another bill that limited contributions, so it'll only get worse. We get stuck with who the corps want, and they reward themselves (see Goldmine Sacks)


And they weren't contributing when Clinton was pres??

[slewis]

Lets all be realistic.

The deal was brokered and ok'd by the Obama administration.

If The nutty KIM wanted to meet with Bush as a condition of their release, whether Bush agreed to it or not (which Im sure he would not) this administration would NOT allow it.

Lets call a spade a spade.

[bigmack]

The question begs to be asked; why would he embarrass his wife like that??
Why not arrange the deal and then put her in place to look like the broker of same?? Very very strange.
The dealio is that the administration, any administration, is not going to be seen negotiating with the likes of KJ Il. Clinton has a high enough profile for them to grant his 'negotiation', even though it was already brokered, and voila. 2 are released to BillyBoy.

[cj's dad]

You'll never get mistaken for Henry Kissinger, I'll give you that.

No doubt; I was born in the USA and speak without an accent. And I'm also much better looking !!

[cj's dad]

Lets all be realistic.

#1- The deal was brokered and ok'd by the Obama administration.

If The nutty KIM wanted to meet with Bush as a condition of their release, whether Bush agreed to it or not (which Im sure he would not) this administration would NOT allow it.

#2 -Lets call a spade a spade.

#1-And you know this how ??

#2- Not falling for that trap !!

[slewis]

#1-And you know this how ??

#2- Not falling for that trap !!


Are you serious?

Do you really think that Bill Clinton is gonna wake up and say "Im gonna call nutty boy today and get those girls free".

"Let me check flight times next week to Pyongyang..... If they have a flight from JFK on Tuesday, it's a light day for me".

Look CJD, Do I know what took place? Of course not.

Can I make a balls-ass accurate guess. Yes. Kimmy boy "no want Hil-R-Ree"
Conversation probably went something like:

"You want Amewericans back, send Bawack"..

"Sorry Mr. Il, we cannot sent our President.... Hows about Hilary Clinton, our Secretary of State".

"NO WANT HIL-R-REE, I told you.... what about husband.. Bill Crinton"

"If we send Mr. Clinton, Sir, will you agree to release the girls"...

"You send Bill Crinton, I rerease them...but no funny busnesss, and No Jimmy Crarter, I not stupid".

I kinda think it went down something like that.:lol:

[dartman51]

That may well be true, Lamboguy. But good luck finding one who says anything remotely nice about him.

I'll give kudos to Bill for handling this. And you are right, most of the world does like Bill, although I don't think they're that fond of Hill. Bill would make a better SOS. And I for one, would MUCH rather have Bill as Pres, than the piece of CRAP socialist, we have now. Although, someone needs to get their story straight. When I first heard this, this morning, it was reported that Bill was bringing a message from the President, then the White House said they didn't know anything about it. Yeah, RIGHT!!! And Hillary is a beauty queen........NOT!! :confused:

[dartman51]

Are you serious?

Do you really think that Bill Clinton is gonna wake up and say "Im gonna call nutty boy today and get those girls free".

"Let me check flight times next week to Pyongyang..... If they have a flight from JFK on Tuesday, it's a light day for me".

Look CJD, Do I know what took place? Of course not.

Can I make a balls-ass accurate guess. Yes. Kimmy boy "no want Hil-R-Ree"
Conversation probably went something like:

"You want Amewericans back, send Bawack"..

"Sorry Mr. Il, we cannot sent our President.... Hows about Hilary Clinton, our Secretary of State".

"NO WANT HIL-R-REE, I told you.... what about husband.. Bill Crinton"

"If we send Mr. Clinton, Sir, will you agree to release the girls"...

"You send Bill Crinton, I rerease them...but no funny busnesss, and No Jimmy Crarter, I not stupid".

I kinda think it went down something like that.:lol:

That sounds about right..:D

[eastie]

when Bill was in charge we went from in the red, to in the black. Everyone made a ton of money. The term limit bull is just that. Since when do you punish someone for doing such a good job ?

[dav4463]

when Bill was in charge we went from in the red, to in the black. Everyone made a ton of money. The term limit bull is just that. Since when do you punish someone for doing such a good job ?


Any president who was in office during the dot com boom would have had a good economy.

Any president who took office and then had two planes slam into the WTC and one into the pentagon would have had some economic problems.

The president does not make the economy good or bad unless he is a socialist.

[PaceAdvantage]

That may well be true, Lamboguy. But good luck finding one who says anything remotely nice about him.Tom just did?!?!?!?!

[Tom]

What am I, a loose cannon? :D

If you search back, I posted that Hillary was a good choice for her job because of Bill, who has word-wide respect and contacts.

Is it a given that no one give credit to people for the things they do right?

Two American are freed from a tyranical dictator. We can always nuke them later. :cool:

[delayjf]

I'll give kudos to Bill for handling this. And you are right, most of the world does like Bill, although I don't think they're that fond of Hill. Bill would make a better SOS. And I for one, would MUCH rather have Bill as Pres, than the piece of CRAP socialist, we have now. Although, someone needs to get their story straight. When I first heard this, this morning, it was reported that Bill was bringing a message from the President, then the White House said they didn't know anything about it. Yeah, RIGHT!!! And Hillary is a beauty queen........NOT!!

agreed,
It was said this morning that Kim had requested President Clinton and that he would agree to release the girls if he came. I wonder what else they talked about - can't help but wonder if the subject of N Korea breaking the nuclear disarmament treaty they signed during the Clinton Administration came up. I thought he would have made a good SOS as well.

[socantra]

i hate to tell you this, but most republican's i know loved bill. they made lots of money with him

As I recall, the Repugs loved Bill Clinton so much that they impeached him.

[Tom]

Tough love. ;)

[karlskorner]

Am I missing something, why were these 2 oriental ladies in N. Korea in the first place.

[lamboguy]

As I recall, the Repugs loved Bill Clinton so much that they impeached him.i think they were just jealous because bill had alot of girlfriends.

[socantra]

Am I missing something, why were these 2 oriental ladies in N. Korea in the first place.

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1888004,00.html

[BlueShoe]

Slick Willie was just the bagman.Just what concessions were made is unknown at this point.Neat move for the North Koreans;they get something in exchange for two women of no importance to them,plus good world wide publicity for their "humane" act.You really dont believe that the ugly little psyco twerp let the women go because he was titillated by Bubbas Monica stories,do you?

[lamboguy]

Slick Willie was just the bagman.Just what concessions were made is unknown at this point.Neat move for the North Koreans;they get something in exchange for two women of no importance to them,plus good world wide publicity for their "humane" act.You really dont believe that the ugly little psyco twerp let the women go because he was titillated by Bubbas Monica stories,do you?"the nut" had 2 innocent girls locked up for no real reason. bill clinton got this guy to release them and go back to their family's. i hope that you are never in a situation with your kids and have to diferentiate between being slick and getting the kids home.

it really doesn't matter who got them home, they are here right now thank god unharmed. if bill clinton was indeed responsible for the release i think we should thank him for being loyal to the parents of those kids.

[cj's dad]

Am I missing something, why were these 2 oriental ladies in N. Korea in the first place.

Their GPS was malfunctioning and they accidentally crossed over into NK; or so the story goes.

[slewis]

Slick Willie was just the bagman.Just what concessions were made is unknown at this point.Neat move for the North Koreans;they get something in exchange for two women of no importance to them,plus good world wide publicity for their "humane" act.You really dont believe that the ugly little psyco twerp let the women go because he was titillated by Bubbas Monica stories,do you?

Well lets put it this way Shoeless,

If GW were pres. these girls would still be sitting in N Korea... and for who knows how long, and you can take that to the bank.

If you disagree, maybe you should ask those two US border patrol agents recently released to give you their opinions.

[cj's dad]

Are you serious?

Do you really think that Bill Clinton is gonna wake up and say "Im gonna call nutty boy today and get those girls free".

"Let me check flight times next week to Pyongyang..... If they have a flight from JFK on Tuesday, it's a light day for me".

Look CJD, Do I know what took place? Of course not.

Can I make a balls-ass accurate guess. Yes. Kimmy boy "no want Hil-R-Ree"
Conversation probably went something like:

"You want Amewericans back, send Bawack"..

"Sorry Mr. Il, we cannot sent our President.... Hows about Hilary Clinton, our Secretary of State".

"NO WANT HIL-R-REE, I told you.... what about husband.. Bill Crinton"

"If we send Mr. Clinton, Sir, will you agree to release the girls"...

"You send Bill Crinton, I rerease them...but no funny busnesss, and No Jimmy Crarter, I not stupid".

I kinda think it went down something like that.:lol:

I do agree that it may have gone something like that, but I am however glad that it was you that put the racial slant on your hypothetical conversation.

[BlueShoe]

"the nut" had 2 innocent girls locked up for no real reason. bill clinton got this guy to release them and go back to their family's. i hope that you are never in a situation with your kids and have to diferentiate between being slick and getting the kids home.

it really doesn't matter who got them home, they are here right now thank god unharmed. if bill clinton was indeed responsible for the release i think we should thank him for being loyal to the parents of those kids.
Bill Clinton was just the high profile messenger boy and escort,that is my point.You or I could have gone and brought them back.

[socantra]

Bill Clinton was just the high profile messenger boy and escort,that is my point.You or I could have gone and brought them back.
Perhaps "high profile" may be the key phrase here. It is possible that the North Korean dictator might have been less impressed by and anxious to have his picture taken with "BlueShoe" or "lamboguy". I'm sure that is probably the only reason you were overlooked.

[boxcar]

"the nut" had 2 innocent girls locked up for no real reason. bill clinton got this guy to release them and go back to their family's. i hope that you are never in a situation with your kids and have to diferentiate between being slick and getting the kids home.

it really doesn't matter who got them home, they are here right now thank god unharmed. if bill clinton was indeed responsible for the release i think we should thank him for being loyal to the parents of those kids.

While, I'm very happy for those two gals, thanks might be premature until we know what the U.S. gave in exchange for them. I'll bet those details will be forthcoming real quick from this transparent administration. :rolleyes:

Boxcar

[lamboguy]

Perhaps "high profile" may be the key phrase here. It is possible that the North Korean dictator might have been less impressed by and anxious to have his picture taken with "BlueShoe" or "lamboguy". I'm sure that is probably the only reason you were overlooked.he would never want his picture with me, i never wear a tie and jacket

[Dave Schwartz]

Perhaps "high profile" may be the key phrase here. It is possible that the North Korean dictator might have been less impressed by and anxious to have his picture taken with "BlueShoe" or "lamboguy". I'm sure that is probably the only reason you were overlooked.

I am sure he called Lambo... I know he called me but I was busy talking with Lambo about opening a rebate account (surprisingly good rates, btw)... . Kim left a voice mail saying that he could give me the picks - according to him (or should that be HIM), he plays one horse a race and gets 97% winners.



Dave Schwartz
who has drifted into silliness
to be in step with this thread.

[Tom]

I understand Kim Dung Il asked for Clinton specifically.
I got the impression Bill did not want the photo taken. It certainly is not
am embarrassing photo like Hussein and Chavez.

Give the guy credit - he did what was asked of him to ring home two Americans. All the rest is peripheral. Obama will not take a strong stand against anyone (except Israel) and we had better get used to that. WE get our own home however we can and deal with the fallout when we get a real president in 2012. Bill is a hero today, and until we have strong evidence to the contrary, so salute him because he just might deserve it, and a couple of our own families are pretty happy about what he did for them.

And, I hate to mention it, but I did post a challenge to Obama to quit drinking beer and take care of our hostages just the other day, so maybe I was a catalyst in getting this done...........:rolleyes:;):D

[BlueShoe]

i never wear a tie and jacket
Whats a "tie and jacket" ??

[Light]

Who says dialogue with our enemies doesn't work? Righties said Obama wants to kiss ass by doing this. They said we must have preconditions. KJI forced the U.S. to talk without preconditions and with whom he wanted by holding those girls as bargaining chips. He's no dummy.

The same holds true with Iran or N.Korea on the nuke issue. You dont need preconditions. You dont need to make the country you are about to talk to feel humiliated and disrespected before talking to them and expect to make progress on a major issue. That's doing the dummy. The 06 Lebanese- Israeli war had to do with the same issue. Two kidnapped Israeli soldiers. After destroying countless people and infrastructure and strengthening Hezbollah, Israel decided to negotiate WITHOUT PRECONDITIONS and all was done. Too late!

Why does the enemy have to force the "good guys" to the negotiating table? Could it be because the "good guys" only understand might makes right? Hopefully the Obama administration can build on Clinton's success with N.Korea and not look at it as an isolated incident.

[Tom]

Who says dialogue with our enemies doesn't work? Righties said Obama wants to kiss ass by doing this. They said we must have preconditions. KJI forced the U.S. to talk without preconditions and with whom he wanted by holding those girls as bargaining chips. He's no dummy.


I'd hold off with that take until we know what happened. We do not know how much Obama was involved and how much he gave away if he was.

At this point, we only what N Korea gave up. We have no clue what we did yet. WE do know that the two girls were not included in any photos, only Bill and the Koreans waving to him as he left. Nice set up to legitimize the N Koreans having a summit with a former US President.

What was the cost to us? I think that is important information you are ignoring. Did we tell them they could go ahead with their nukes? Did we promise them a bailout?

And you can bet there were preconditions before he went there.

[ArlJim78]

oh please, negociations with North korea? what has it lead to in the past? only more negociations that's all. while it feels good to have the two innocent women freed, this will be played as a victory for the regime in north Korea, a vindication of every action they have taken, including an apology from the US.
this is not any kind of policy victory at this point and could very likely be a setback.

[lamboguy]

oh please, negociations with North korea? what has it lead to in the past? only more negociations that's all. while it feels good to have the two innocent women freed, this will be played as a victory for the regime in north Korea, a vindication of every action they have taken, including an apology from the US.
this is not any kind of policy victory at this point and could very likely be a setback.are you guys all nuts? how could that possibly even be any negotiations. they brought the 2 girls home safe and sound, and that is it. you guys are making more to it than it really is. this nut wanted a us president to come on his soil and that is it. he got what he wanted we got what we wanted.

he ain't getting one pretzel in the deal

[Tom]

I heard he wanted to come to the WH and have a beer.
With Barry and the two girls.

[dav4463]

Who says dialogue with our enemies doesn't work? Righties said Obama wants to kiss ass by doing this. They said we must have preconditions. KJI forced the U.S. to talk without preconditions and with whom he wanted by holding those girls as bargaining chips. He's no dummy.

The same holds true with Iran or N.Korea on the nuke issue. You dont need preconditions. You dont need to make the country you are about to talk to feel humiliated and disrespected before talking to them and expect to make progress on a major issue. That's doing the dummy. The 06 Lebanese- Israeli war had to do with the same issue. Two kidnapped Israeli soldiers. After destroying countless people and infrastructure and strengthening Hezbollah, Israel decided to negotiate WITHOUT PRECONDITIONS and all was done. Too late!

Why does the enemy have to force the "good guys" to the negotiating table? Could it be because the "good guys" only understand might makes right? Hopefully the Obama administration can build on Clinton's success with N.Korea and not look at it as an isolated incident.


North Koreans may be communists, but they aren't crazy. Try this "dialogue" crap with a radical Islamic terrorist and see how far you get before all your heads are lopped off. You can't reason with radical Islam. Their goal is to destroy everyone who does not share their twisted religious views.

[Tom]

So now we sent Clinton to Tehran and tell him to tell the Iranians that Kim Dung Il said Allah was gay! :lol:

[lamboguy]

So now we sent Clinton to Tehran and tell him to tell the Iranians that Kim Dung Il said Allah was gay! :lol:what a complete brainstorm. just tell them ALLAH got no virgins up there and its all over!

[slewis]

I do agree that it may have gone something like that, but I am however glad that it was you that put the racial slant on your hypothetical conversation.


Racial?..... no..... unethical....maybe.....just adding some humor to a dumb scenario.

[PaceAdvantage]

Who says dialogue with our enemies doesn't work?You mean the key to world peace all this time has been simply "talk it out!"

Wow man...that's deep shit....I can't wait for the utopia that is sure to follow this wild revelation.

BTW, if what you say is true, why has the UN been such an ineffective entity all these years? They're pretty big on talking things out, aren't they?

[lamboguy]

You mean the key to world peace all this time has been simply "talk it out!"

Wow man...that's deep shit....I can't wait for the utopia that is sure to follow this wild revelation.

BTW, if what you say is true, why has the UN been such an ineffective entity all these years? They're pretty big on talking things out, aren't they?more than that, they steal money from us here in the united states and distribute it to their friends.

there has never been a bigger pirate organization in the world before the U.N.

they are located on prime property in NEW YORK. they should take a hike

[so.cal.fan]

I remember hearing one of the cable news talk shows, a prominent man talking about the death of Michael Jackson....I forget who he was now, but he told the hostess that Michael Jackson (shortly before his death) had asked him and a few other prominent people if Kim Jung Il was a "fan" of his (Jackson)?
He thought he might be and wanted to go to North Korea to get the girls out of prison. Makes sense. If the creepy Kim Jung Il was a fan of Jackson, Michael knew had a good shot at getting them out.
Bill Clinton is a big celebrity type in many places in the world....so I think no matter WHO was President, he would have gone and got the girls released, same reason as Michael Jackson had, get a couple of innocent young women out of a prison in a country run by a psycho. It was a good idea and it worked.
It kept running through my mind......"I wish Bill Clinton was our President and not Barack Obama". :bang:
I'll bet a lot of people were thinking the same thing!

[toetoe]

why were these 2 oriental ladies in N. Korea in the first place.

By occident ?

Two occidents waitng to happen ?

[Tom]

I heard that after Clinton flew to N Korea to negotiate the release of the two women, he went to a Korean Massage parlor to negotiate his own release.


:rolleyes:

[JustRalph]

I heard that after Clinton flew to N Korea to negotiate the release of the two women, he went to a Korean Massage parlor to negotiate his own release.
:rolleyes:

you're on fire today!!! :lol:

I think ole Kim Dumb ILL got a nice check out of somebody for those two idiots

[bigmack]

I heard that after Clinton flew to N Korea to negotiate the release of the two women, he went to a Korean Massage parlor to negotiate his own release.
:rolleyes:
:lol:
Very, very snappy, Mr. T.

I bumped into this pic and knowing what a patriot you are, thought I'd share. You'd share as well, wouldn't you? :cool:

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u70/macktime/8_7_09_13_51_54.png

[toetoe]

They are shown just after disembarking from Billy Jeff's aircraft --- you know, the one with the following sign:

IF THIS BIRD'S ROCKIN
DON'T BOTHER KNOCKIN.

I bet he was feelin' all OVER their pain.



Lisa Ling: "I'd do anything to free my sister."

WJC: "Anything, darlin'? Heh heh."

[toetoe]

Forgot to mention that the "rockin" gag was heard on Dennis Miller's radio show. :ThmbUp: .

[socantra]

Forgot to mention that the "rockin" gag was heard on Dennis Miller's radio show. :ThmbUp: .
Funny fellow, according to some.

[david botsford]

I remember hearing one of the cable news talk shows, a prominent man talking about the death of Michael Jackson....I forget who he was now, but he told the hostess that Michael Jackson (shortly before his death) had asked him and a few other prominent people if Kim Jung Il was a "fan" of his (Jackson)?
He thought he might be and wanted to go to North Korea to get the girls out of prison. Makes sense. If the creepy Kim Jung Il was a fan of Jackson, Michael knew had a good shot at getting them out.
Bill Clinton is a big celebrity type in many places in the world....so I think no matter WHO was President, he would have gone and got the girls released, same reason as Michael Jackson had, get a couple of innocent young women out of a prison in a country run by a psycho. It was a good idea and it worked.
It kept running through my mind......"I wish Bill Clinton was our President and not Barack Obama". :bang:
I'll bet a lot of people were thinking the same thing!You can put me in the pool of wishful thinking it's that damn 2 term limit.