It appears that Islam has lowered the bar again

[Cangamble]

http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2009/07/iranians-rape-virgin-girls-before.html

[boxcar]

It's not "again" -- it's STILL because the bar has always been set somewhere in the pit of hell.

Boxcar

[lsbets]

Again? Mohamed was a pedophile, seems like he started the trend.

[DJofSD]

It's not "again" -- it's STILL because the bar has always been set somewhere in the pit of hell.
I take a simple approach to the major religions of the world. I put this out there not to convince any one of the correctess of my opinion but as a perspective to consider, nothing more.

In life there is the present moment, the past and the future.

In the present moment, I think of Judasim, for the future, I think of Christianity and for the past, Islam.

Islam seems to be stuck in the past, attempting to prevent any progression beyond the current state of affairs and maintaining a patriarchal society.

If the world was completely dominated by Islam, do you think man would have ever stepped on the surface of the moon? I don't think so.

[BlueShoe]

If the world was completely dominated by Islam, do you think man would have ever stepped on the surface of the moon? I don't think so.

Set foot on the moon?We never would have gotten off of the ground.Had Islam been able to completely dominate all of Eurasia in their wars of conquest from the 7th to the 15th centuries there never would have been a USA.On what is now North America the dominent powers would likely still be the Aztec Empire in southern Mexico and the Iroquois Confederacy in the present day eastern America.

[JustRalph]

One more reason to hate the bastards................

I don't know how any woman could ever be in favor of or participate in any way, in the Muslim religion...........

[Horsepicker]

It's not "again" -- it's STILL because the bar has always been set somewhere in the pit of hell.

Boxcar



"CHRISTIAN" Knights of the Ku Klux Klan......

"CHRISTIANS" who gave blankets with small pox in them to Native Americans....

.....it can go on and on, too numerous to name throughout the centuries.....

The majority of the planet do not follow the religions as they were presented, they USE the name of the religion and the name of their prophets only, and create their own sect or flavor of what they believe, using parts they like , and discarding the rest, which is creating a totally different religion, in reality its not even a sect, regardless of what Webster says it means.

Remember , if you are following Jesus, then do what Jesus said, NOT what "others" said he said or what they attribute him to say or mean.

......and since their is nowhere in the Gospels where Jesus EVER said or called himself or his followers "CHRISTIANS".........

.....and since whoever created that phrase, that's who those who call themselves "CHRISTIANS" follow....

If there is a pit of hell, "CHRISTIANS" are gonna be there first.

Horsepicker

[LottaKash]

"CHRISTIAN" Knights of the Ku Klux Klan......

"CHRISTIANS" who gave blankets with small pox in them to Native Americans....

.....it can go on and on, too numerous to name throughout the centuries.....

The majority of the planet do not follow the religions as they were presented, they USE the name of the religion and the name of their prophets only, and create their own sect or flavor of what they believe, using parts they like , and discarding the rest, which is creating a totally different religion, in reality its not even a sect, regardless of what Webster says it means.

Remember , if you are following Jesus, then do what Jesus said, NOT what "others" said he said or what they attribute him to say or mean.

......and since their is nowhere in the Gospels where Jesus EVER said or called himself or his followers "CHRISTIANS".........

.....and since whoever created that phrase, that's who those who call themselves "CHRISTIANS" follow....

If there is a pit of hell, "CHRISTIANS" are gonna be there first.

Horsepicker

Phooey !...Being a "Christian" is a "way of life" not a "religion"....It is man that made up all of the Hoopla about being this or that.....Religion is what is wrong with religion......Living by the "Word" of GOD is all that matters......This is clear and is amply spelled out in the Bible....

best,

[Tom]

ALL of the Bible?:confused:

[Horsepicker]

Phooey !...Being a "Christian" is a "way of life" not a "religion"....It is man that made up all of the Hoopla about being this or that.....Religion is what is wrong with religion......Living by the "Word" of GOD is all that matters......This is clear and is amply spelled out in the Bible....

best,



Religion is what you practice , not what you preach.

If someone goes to church, sings songs, read the Bible, listen to the preacher, gives to the pulpit, then goes out to kill more Native Americans in cold blood in the name of Jesus, that someones religion is HYPOCRICY, not christianity, so go read the book and see what is says about hypocrites.

Horsepicker

[LottaKash]

ALL of the Bible?:confused:

Yes...It is all or nothing.....So many people have gotten glimplses and one-liners from the Bible, and often they think that they can accept or reject any or all of it, but one must understand that in each chapter and verse there is a message and rules that must be obeyed....A teacher without a full "scholarly" (without using the greek, hebrew, and aramaic manuscripts as proofs for correct translation and trans-literation) based approach often will corrupt much of what the intent is for each chapter of the Good-Book...

People go to church, get one or two lines of the bible, and then a good half hour or so of comment and lecturing, and wonder why they don't understand what God intended for us to know....AT the rate of two verses a week, it would take about 700 years to come to know what the "real" meaning of what God wants us to know is....This is one of 3-earth ages, and is the one of the test, to see who will serve what master he will...

As for people doing dastardly deeds in the name of Christianity, well, obviously they are not familiar and are not in sync with what God is really trying to tell us, and they are no better than Satan himself who was a very high ranking angel who thought that his power was as good as the one who gave him his power in the first place......Any person who covets, money, fame or power or any other "Vanity" is surely not a practicing Christian, and serves another Master and "will" be judged accordingly when the time has come....

Satan is an expert on "religion" and he uses it to his advantage (he wants to be worshipped by us) by keeping people from living the life that God intended for us to live and this is clearly spelled out in the Bible...That is why their seems to so much confusion, division and unrest in "all" of the churches and cults....Denomination means division, and that is where Satan would have us....They just haven't come to know God's true intentions for us all, so they make up all these ceremonies and practices that have nothing to do with "true" worship of the One True God....

best,

[DJofSD]

Just like you shouldn't let your formal schooling get in the way of your education, you shouldn't let your religion get in the way of spirituality. Or, what some might call, Enlightenment.

[Tom]

Yes...It is all or nothing....

Literally?

[cj's dad]

One more reason to hate the bastards................

I don't know how any woman could ever be in favor of or participate in any way, in the Muslim religion...........

Amazing how NOW is never, I repeat NEVER heard from regarding the horrible treatment of women in Islamic based countries.

What say you liberals - speak up now or forever shut up !!

[slewis]

Religion is what you practice , not what you preach.

If someone goes to church, sings songs, read the Bible, listen to the preacher, gives to the pulpit, then goes out to kill more Native Americans in cold blood in the name of Jesus, that someones religion is HYPOCRICY, not christianity, so go read the book and see what is says about hypocrites.

Horsepicker

Without going off on too much of a tangent (since the thread is about Islam) I have to say Im annoyed with your depiction of Christianity and it's historic relation to the Native American.
Like the Red man has never raped, killed, butchered, slaughtered, stolen before. What truly bothers me today is how many minorities feel it's ok too keep harboring the past. This in my opinion is done for one purpose only.
Financial gain.
The American Indian has probably contributed LESS to this society than all cultures put together, yet, they continue to fight for "rights" on a federal level, all in the name of ancestors hundreds of years ago.
Using this mindset, the family that can trace it's historical tree back furthest on the planet, can legally and morally claim land ownership.
Since I can trace my family roots back 1 billion years in Moscow, I demand Putin allow me to open Casinos (tax free of course) in Red Square.

Let me put it like this : History shows that stonger civilizations conquer and strive over weaker ones. The American Indian should be grateful they've been GIVEN, yes GIVEN, a free reign in a GUARANTEED cash cow business... Gambling.
I also ask where the American Indian would be had Hitler won WW2?
Think they'd be fighting in the German courts for their "sovereign land".:lol:

One of these days the Fed and the courts will reverse these awards and force the American Indian to truly assimilate into American society.
Until then..shut the F up.

[boxcar]

"CHRISTIAN" Knights of the Ku Klux Klan......

"CHRISTIANS" who gave blankets with small pox in them to Native Americans....

.....it can go on and on, too numerous to name throughout the centuries.....

Thank the Lord for small favors; for surely you would bore us all to death with your "too numerous to name" factoids.

Remember , if you are following Jesus, then do what Jesus said, NOT what "others" said he said or what they attribute him to say or mean.

What a convenient way to delete the rest of the inspired NT scriptures.

......and since their is nowhere in the Gospels where Jesus EVER said or called himself or his followers "CHRISTIANS".........

So what? But his apostles certainly didn't object to that name, did they?

.....and since whoever created that phrase, that's who those who call themselves "CHRISTIANS" follow....

If there is a pit of hell, "CHRISTIANS" are gonna be there first.

Horsepicker

You say "IF there is a pit of hell...? You mean you don't believe what Jesus said about hell? Very odd position to take right after you finished lecturing us on who it is we should believe and follow, don't you think?

Boxcar

[Horsepicker]

Without going off on too much of a tangent (since the thread is about Islam) I have to say Im annoyed with your depiction of Christianity and it's historic relation to the Native American.
Like the Red man has never raped, killed, butchered, slaughtered, stolen before. What truly bothers me today is how many minorities feel it's ok too keep harboring the past. This in my opinion is done for one purpose only.
Financial gain.
The American Indian has probably contributed LESS to this society than all cultures put together, yet, they continue to fight for "rights" on a federal level, all in the name of ancestors hundreds of years ago.
Using this mindset, the family that can trace it's historical tree back furthest on the planet, can legally and morally claim land ownership.
Since I can trace my family roots back 1 billion years in Moscow, I demand Putin allow me to open Casinos (tax free of course) in Red Square.

Let me put it like this : History shows that stonger civilizations conquer and strive over weaker ones. The American Indian should be grateful they've been GIVEN, yes GIVEN, a free reign in a GUARANTEED cash cow business... Gambling.
I also ask where the American Indian would be had Hitler won WW2?
Think they'd be fighting in the German courts for their "sovereign land".:lol:

One of these days the Fed and the courts will reverse these awards and force the American Indian to truly assimilate into American society.
Until then..shut the F up.



Hmmmm....all this philosophy and belief here. Belief down to your bones.

Pharoah ,in the Bible, had the similar philosophy. So did Nicademus.

Pharoah created his Gods with his beliefs, idols, physical or otherwise, so what "temporary" god, that has been given power and dominion of the earth, is the opposite of "THE" Creator of the Universe? Satan and the Devil.

Pharoah was an enemy of God.

So what's the difference between your beliefs, philosophy,practice and Pharoah's?

Horsepicker

[cj's dad]

How did this topic drift from Islam to Pharaohs ??

[Horsepicker]

Yes...It is all or nothing.....So many people have gotten glimplses and one-liners from the Bible, and often they think that they can accept or reject any or all of it, but one must understand that in each chapter and verse there is a message and rules that must be obeyed....A teacher without a full "scholarly" (without using the greek, hebrew, and aramaic manuscripts as proofs for correct translation and trans-literation) based approach often will corrupt much of what the intent is for each chapter of the Good-Book...

People go to church, get one or two lines of the bible, and then a good half hour or so of comment and lecturing, and wonder why they don't understand what God intended for us to know....AT the rate of two verses a week, it would take about 700 years to come to know what the "real" meaning of what God wants us to know is....This is one of 3-earth ages, and is the one of the test, to see who will serve what master he will...

As for people doing dastardly deeds in the name of Christianity, well, obviously they are not familiar and are not in sync with what God is really trying to tell us, and they are no better than Satan himself who was a very high ranking angel who thought that his power was as good as the one who gave him his power in the first place......Any person who covets, money, fame or power or any other "Vanity" is surely not a practicing Christian, and serves another Master and "will" be judged accordingly when the time has come....

Satan is an expert on "religion" and he uses it to his advantage (he wants to be worshipped by us) by keeping people from living the life that God intended for us to live and this is clearly spelled out in the Bible...That is why their seems to so much confusion, division and unrest in "all" of the churches and cults....Denomination means division, and that is where Satan would have us....They just haven't come to know God's true intentions for us all, so they make up all these ceremonies and practices that have nothing to do with "true" worship of the One True God....

best,



Dude gets it.

ALL religions, philosophies, disciplines are comprimised by Satan.

It takes sincere, burning desire for truth with the addition of being granted Divine sight to even have a chance.

Just like a scientist or gold assayer, gemologist, you must use effective science to know the difference between Gold and fake gold.

There is more earnest in this than religious leaders.

If someone has the best methodology or a some set of tools to do a better job , at say, handicapping, and you truly want to win and get better, scams or not, you gonna use all your analysis and investigative power to thouroughly find out once and for all if said method can make you consistant profit.

Truth seekers are not afraid, embarrassed to seek any and all sources for more crystal clarification and evolution , self improvement.

In this world, before the world God will usher in, there is no profit in peace, truth, end of confusion, because no one can sell you something or self commit yourself to some kind of bondage once you KNOW, scientifically and naturally what the truth is, no marketing campaign or other social engineering method will work to get the masses to do something unnecessarily.

Horsepicker

[Horsepicker]

You say "IF there is a pit of hell...? You mean you don't believe what Jesus said about hell? Very odd position to take right after you finished lecturing us on who it is we should believe and follow, don't you think?

Boxcar



The book said it is sealed with seven seals.

Since anyone can buy and open up the bible, it is not physical locks.

It is locked in language.

Look up the "old" English term of what hell means.

There are no spooks, spectres and fantasims in existence, everything Is-Real.

What Jesus said? What do you and others know about that?

Jesus said, ".....pray to THE FATHER, in MY NAME, yet, people pray to Jesus and Mary....

......you do not hear what Jesus said, you only hear and percieve what you agree with, that's how multitudes of religious sects , sub-sects are created, has nothing to do with Jesus.

The only difference between THE TRUTH and Satan worship is most of us simply "removed" the pentagram symbol and substituted it with The Cross, The Crescent, The Star of David and other things.

Notice folks here freely and speedily critize me, but have a quiet consensus and conspiracy of agreement on "other" things, like saying, "and , so? What about it?"

On your and other like minded gents here, next drink, raise a toast and say "Mazel Tov to your like minded friends and the "Citizens Council".

I really mean that with all sincerity, really.

There is a highly, multi-faceded, evolutionary,Divine Scientific reason of why THE CREATOR of the Universe, THE GOD of ALL Good, allows EVIL and Satan and The Devil to have his "temporary" reign of supremacy and way.

Horsepicker

[Horsepicker]

I take a simple approach to the major religions of the world. I put this out there not to convince any one of the correctess of my opinion but as a perspective to consider, nothing more.

In life there is the present moment, the past and the future.

In the present moment, I think of Judasim, for the future, I think of Christianity and for the past, Islam.

Islam seems to be stuck in the past, attempting to prevent any progression beyond the current state of affairs and maintaining a patriarchal society.

If the world was completely dominated by Islam, do you think man would have ever stepped on the surface of the moon? I don't think so.



First, ask any Mathematician professor of what the Arabs contributed, just in the realm of mathematics.

If someone where truly a truth seeker, and Christianity, Judaism, Islam all claim Abraham, on the premise and knowing that Satan has mastered and is in all religions, warping them, then that someone has a puzzle to try to fit together.

Like a algebraic expression, put the common denominators together to come of with the formula that solves other equations.

Every prophet built upon what the previous taught, more advanced.

You can go from addition to calculus in mathematics, but there is not similar advancement in religion?

If you are still repeating, like a parrot, and stuck in addition for the next 50 to 2,000 years, the school council would say you are mentally disabled, learning impaired, slow, challenged, retarded and need a "special Ed" class.

Addition and Calculus do not go against each other, they compliment each other.

The men of God of the past were for their time. They would not be able to deal with the world as present. God sends a new man with higher skill sets.

In the past, The Devil was a little garden snake, today, the book says he has teeth and claws of Iron, and Iron Dragon, you need a Dragon Slayer that can sit all governments down, philosophers, teachers, military, leaders down, they have been found wanting.

Jesus said, "...when "HE" comes...", that means real and NATURAL force and power beyond this planets power, even united, to cope with.

No Cecil B. Demile special effects or splitting oceans in half. Natural power.

Scientist are still discovering new creatures and things they have discovered, they have only scratched the surface, if that.

It is impossible to craft a Lie without some measure of Truth in it.

The religious leaders job is supposed to be to make you NOT need him no more, his job is to make you smarter and better than him..., true Masters and Mastery makes Masters, not slaves.

Tools and methods for you to link with THE CREATOR, then he gets out the way....,he is supposed to walk up to you, like school graduation or like at the Shaolin temple and say, "you have all you need, you are now connected to the source, time for you to leave this church, another level(school,college) awaits your continued mastery.

Culture and Religion are two different things, yet people use cultural ritualism and abandon and forget what the underlying principle was in the first place, does not matter, long as they get 'their" hearts desire.

Horspicker

[boxcar]

The book said it is sealed with seven seals.

Since anyone can buy and open up the bible, it is not physical locks.

It is locked in language.

Look up the "old" English term of what hell means.

There are no spooks, spectres and fantasims in existence, everything Is-Real.

What Jesus said? What do you and others know about that?

Jesus said, ".....pray to THE FATHER, in MY NAME, yet, people pray to Jesus and Mary....

......you do not hear what Jesus said, you only hear and percieve what you agree with, that's how multitudes of religious sects , sub-sects are created, has nothing to do with Jesus.

The only difference between THE TRUTH and Satan worship is most of us simply "removed" the pentagram symbol and substituted it with The Cross, The Crescent, The Star of David and other things.

Notice folks here freely and speedily critize me, but have a quiet consensus and conspiracy of agreement on "other" things, like saying, "and , so? What about it?"

On your and other like minded gents here, next drink, raise a toast and say "Mazel Tov to your like minded friends and the "Citizens Council".

I really mean that with all sincerity, really.

There is a highly, multi-faceded, evolutionary,Divine Scientific reason of why THE CREATOR of the Universe, THE GOD of ALL Good, allows EVIL and Satan and The Devil to have his "temporary" reign of supremacy and way.

Horsepicker

How long have you been in this hallucinatory state?

Boxcar
P.S. When or if you think you've discovered the "Divine Scientific reason" behind the coexistence of good and evil, please do us all a favor: Don't bother sharing it with it us. Just keep it all sealed up. :rolleyes:

[boxcar]

First, ask any Mathematician professor of what the Arabs contributed, just in the realm of mathematics....Addition and Calculus do not go against each other, they compliment each other.

It's very obvious you're no professor -- save, perhaps, at picking horses noses. The word you meant to use, Mr. Picker, is complement.

The men of God of the past were for their time. They would not be able to deal with the world as present. God sends a new man with higher skill sets.

Geesh...where does this leave you, o skillful one? :rolleyes:

Boxcar

[46zilzal]

Amazing how NOW is never, I repeat NEVER heard from regarding the horrible treatment of women in Islamic based countries.

What say you liberals - speak up now or forever shut up !!

Women were treated as 2nd class citizens in just about all cultures on earth until the 20th century. Just watch Iron Jawed Angels with my buddy Bob playing Woodrow Wilson. For trying to ge the vote they were sent to work houses and this was in the early 1900's HERE.

[Horsepicker]

How long have you been in this hallucinatory state?

Boxcar
P.S. When or if you think you've discovered the "Divine Scientific reason" behind the coexistence of good and evil, please do us all a favor: Don't bother sharing it with it us. Just keep it all sealed up.



About as long as you are currently in a coma.

Thank you for saying to keep it to myself, thank you.

Your statement reveals you neither know, or care.

Enjoy your coma, you are mentally dead, 100 times worse than Lazarus, he had a chance, and no level of education , scientific advancement, or information can help you.

Like Pharoah, what was once, if ever, was a heart is now tempered and hardened.

You are worse than a crack-head junkie because if you asked him, he knows its wrong, but simply can't or won't stop, but man, you are deader than those corpses in the graveyard, a true and living Philistine.

And man, if you only knew, we need more than help, we need mercy.

Horsepicker

[Horsepicker]

It's very obvious you're no professor -- save, perhaps, at picking horses noses. The word you meant to use, Mr. Picker, is complement.




Rather than analyzing what I am attempting to say, you focused on spelling.

Case closed, on you that is, and so is what may have been once, a brain.




Geesh...where does this leave you, o skillful one?

Boxcar



Dude, I never claimed to be anything except a loudmouth like you, typing my opinion, thats all.

I guarantee, for a fact, you would not recognize a person from God if the person walked up to you and bit you on the nose, and by your statement, you are not looking nor keeping your ears pierced for that voice.

Your saviors qualities , men of truth and no hypocracy, in your mind , is a Rush Limbaugh, Hannity , Dick "DeathSquad/Eff the Constitution" Cheney, and O'Reilly prototype.

Think about that if you ever get rounded up in the New American Union's detention camps. ;)

Horsepicker

[Horsepicker]

A Patriot's version of Hope & Change: I Hope Obama Fails because, then, America gets to Win for a Change.

What a brain rotting quote, get your head out of Rush's fly.

The Confederates believed they were patriots.

The Government, on paper, declared them traitors, Americas first terrorist.

Hoping that the Navigator of your ship fails and crashes....., hey Einstein, if you are on the ship hoping to crash, you are as suicidal as the terrorist, a traitor, and moron.

You are a fascist disguised as an American.

Here's your kind of "American", a Nazi , Fascist Communist in American uniform, this guy should have been immediately arrested, evaluated and in maximum security....shows you they did not entirely disagree with his sentiment.

Here's "YOUR" boy, your kinda folks :

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/doc1.pdf.

You are the kind of bagman sought out and used if you had resources and skills deemed useful, to plan or be used in the next 9/11 attack.

But by your statements, you are not that smart, you would be best used as a patsy, to be blamed, the fall guy, and based on your quote signature, no one would believe your denials.

Like all the Kennedy conspirators, those connected were "retired with extreme prejudice".

You are intellectually and potentially a serial killer, clinically psychotic, flatline.

Be pen-pals with your peeps Manson and the like, you have more in common than you can know, hell, you may turn out to be soul mates, problem is neither of you have souls, just instinct, all the feelings of a snake, lizard or crocodile, no empathy, cold and machine like, worse than predators, they are animals, they are supposed to hunt for sheep, they have no WILL or CHOICE, you do, that makes you less than them.

Horsepicker

[PaceAdvantage]

Suff, is that you? :lol:

For a guy named Horsepicker, it's odd that you post about anything but...oh well...two years in hiding and here you are in all your glory....

Nope...nothing to see here...:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[JustRalph]

Women were treated as 2nd class citizens in just about all cultures on earth until the 20th century. Just watch Iron Jawed Angels with my buddy Bob playing Woodrow Wilson. For trying to ge the vote they were sent to work houses and this was in the early 1900's HERE.

Yep, the U.S. on the forefront of what is right!

In Canada you still make the Women carry the wood in from the woodpile don't you?

[DJofSD]

First, ask any Mathematician professor of what the Arabs contributed, just in the realm of mathematics.

If someone where truly a truth seeker, and Christianity, Judaism, Islam all claim Abraham, on the premise and knowing that Satan has mastered and is in all religions, warping them, then that someone has a puzzle to try to fit together.

Like a algebraic expression, put the common denominators together to come of with the formula that solves other equations.

Every prophet built upon what the previous taught, more advanced.

You can go from addition to calculus in mathematics, but there is not similar advancement in religion?

If you are still repeating, like a parrot, and stuck in addition for the next 50 to 2,000 years, the school council would say you are mentally disabled, learning impaired, slow, challenged, retarded and need a "special Ed" class.

Addition and Calculus do not go against each other, they compliment each other.

The men of God of the past were for their time. They would not be able to deal with the world as present. God sends a new man with higher skill sets.

In the past, The Devil was a little garden snake, today, the book says he has teeth and claws of Iron, and Iron Dragon, you need a Dragon Slayer that can sit all governments down, philosophers, teachers, military, leaders down, they have been found wanting.

Jesus said, "...when "HE" comes...", that means real and NATURAL force and power beyond this planets power, even united, to cope with.

No Cecil B. Demile special effects or splitting oceans in half. Natural power.

Scientist are still discovering new creatures and things they have discovered, they have only scratched the surface, if that.

It is impossible to craft a Lie without some measure of Truth in it.

The religious leaders job is supposed to be to make you NOT need him no more, his job is to make you smarter and better than him..., true Masters and Mastery makes Masters, not slaves.

Tools and methods for you to link with THE CREATOR, then he gets out the way....,he is supposed to walk up to you, like school graduation or like at the Shaolin temple and say, "you have all you need, you are now connected to the source, time for you to leave this church, another level(school,college) awaits your continued mastery.

Culture and Religion are two different things, yet people use cultural ritualism and abandon and forget what the underlying principle was in the first place, does not matter, long as they get 'their" hearts desire.

Horspicker
I am fully aware of the history of science and mathematics and what ancient Persia contributed.

We are not discussing history.

The only thing that culture has contributed to their society has been a more exact time of day so they know when to bow to Mecca for their prayer rituals.

The old contributions in the areas of reason have little to do with matters of faith.

[Horsepicker]

I am fully aware of the history of science and mathematics and what ancient Persia contributed.

We are not discussing history.

The only thing that culture has contributed to their society has been a more exact time of day so they know when to bow to Mecca for their prayer rituals.

The old contributions in the areas of reason have little to do with matters of faith.





"....areas of reason have little to do with faith?

"...old contributions(history, foundations) have little to do"????

History, in any perspective, gives basis and analysis, it is not in a vacuum.

I disagree that you are "fully" aware of history or mathematics....what you really mean is that you care to know all you need, willing to learn only what you deem necessary.

Most people , even who have multiple phD's, don't mean you can apply what you know, in the real world, all it means is you passed someones test, that you "memorized" someones book.

How many "books" out there , are full of crap, regardless of authors creditials or accomplishments?

Some one said it, and everybody accept it, that is that?

That's the problem with most worldly education, teach you what to think, not how to think, education can't teach you "sight" or to see.

Your disdain and condescetion for another culture, shows you quickly shut the doors on any possibilites, not the qualities of one who strives for brotherhood and peace, because you can't have a dollar, without that last cent to add to your 99 cents, some contribute more, some less, don't make anyone lesser, Humanity, being Human 101....multiple phd's, the ability to calculate , etc., don't make a person Human or a Human being, the anthropologist and palentologist have a partial, secular definition, incomplete.

All technology is cross-referencable , thats how discoveries are made, one technology gives light to solve the problems of another, that's how scientist and men of objection look to solve problems, no sir, you are only "aware" of what you care to agree with.

Horsepicker

[boxcar]

A Patriot's version of Hope & Change: I Hope Obama Fails because, then, America gets to Win for a Change.

What a brain rotting quote, get your head out of Rush's fly.

The Confederates believed they were patriots.

The Government, on paper, declared them traitors, Americas first terrorist.

Hoping that the Navigator of your ship fails and crashes....., hey Einstein, if you are on the ship hoping to crash, you are as suicidal as the terrorist, a traitor, and moron.

Well, Mr. Man-worshiper, BO may be your personal navigator in life, but mine is the Son of God. Have you not read?:

Jer 17:5-8

5 Thus says the LORD,

"Cursed is the man who trusts in mankind
And makes flesh his strength,
And whose heart turns away from the LORD.
6 "For he will be like a bush in the desert
And will not see when prosperity comes,
But will live in stony wastes in the wilderness,
A land of salt without inhabitant.
7 "Blessed is the man who trusts in the LORD
And whose trust is the LORD.
8 "For he will be like a tree planted by the water,
That extends its roots by a stream
And will not fear when the heat comes;
But its leaves will be green,
And it will not be anxious in a year of drought
Nor cease to yield fruit.
NASB


And again:

Ps 118:8-9
8 It is better to take refuge in the LORD
Than to trust in man.
9 It is better to take refuge in the LORD
Than to trust in princes.
NASB

Moreover, sir, who in his right mind would entrust his life to a godless, deceiving "navigator"? Only blind fools would do so.

You are a fascist disguised as an American.

And if this were true, it would be 1000 times better that I be this than to be cursed of God!

Boxcar

[boxcar]

Suff, is that you? :lol:

For a guy named Horsepicker, it's odd that you post about anything but...oh well...two years in hiding and here you are in all your glory....

Nope...nothing to see here...:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Except, of course, mindless, unintelligible rants. Oh, yeah...that was Suff's MO, wasn't it? :rolleyes:

This must be the phoenix that has risen from the ashes. You can tell this guy has been baked...and then some.

Boxcar

[DJofSD]

"....areas of reason have little to do with faith?

"...old contributions(history, foundations) have little to do"????

History, in any perspective, gives basis and analysis, it is not in a vacuum.

I disagree that you are "fully" aware of history or mathematics....what you really mean is that you care to know all you need, willing to learn only what you deem necessary.

Most people , even who have multiple phD's, don't mean you can apply what you know, in the real world, all it means is you passed someones test, that you "memorized" someones book.

How many "books" out there , are full of crap, regardless of authors creditials or accomplishments?

Some one said it, and everybody accept it, that is that?

That's the problem with most worldly education, teach you what to think, not how to think, education can't teach you "sight" or to see.

Your disdain and condescetion for another culture, shows you quickly shut the doors on any possibilites, not the qualities of one who strives for brotherhood and peace, because you can't have a dollar, without that last cent to add to your 99 cents, some contribute more, some less, don't make anyone lesser, Humanity, being Human 101....multiple phd's, the ability to calculate , etc., don't make a person Human or a Human being, the anthropologist and palentologist have a partial, secular definition, incomplete.

All technology is cross-referencable , thats how discoveries are made, one technology gives light to solve the problems of another, that's how scientist and men of objection look to solve problems, no sir, you are only "aware" of what you care to agree with.

Horsepicker
Your points are equivalent to arguing how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

You avoid the issue at hand by equivocating. Contributions from the past have no bearing on the matter at hand.

Apply this to the real world: Islam, perhaps, is advancing the cause of a subset of it's followers and it certainly is not doing anything for the culture of Western civilization. Prove me otherwise.

[Horsepicker]

l, Mr. Man-worshiper, BO may be your personal navigator in life, but mine is the Son of God. Have you not read?:



Dude, don't quote the book, you and most other subsects of religion don't know what your reading, everyone interprets with their own slant.

If you believe in any "politics" as you do, you are and have wasted your life getting anything from the bible in the first place.

YOU believe in a candidate to turn things around, you are the man worshipper, a direct contridiction, religion and politics are two difffent universes.

True Brotherhood , true peace, real equality NEGATES the need for satan's tool, politics, you have isubconsciously selectively gnored sections of the book you claim to read and have allegiance to.

YOU are the man worshipper, idol worshipper, I worship NO man.

You don't know what the term "son of God" means, you would not recognize him unless he sounded like yer boy Rush, and you have no concept as to even how to read Bible language, so eat your crackers as a good parrots reward.





Moreover, sir, who in his right mind would entrust his life to a godless, deceiving "navigator"? Only blind fools would do so.



First, genius, if the captain of the boat I am on is my mortal enemy, "I" am ON the boat, duh, unless you reside other than U.S., you will get affected.




And if this were true, it would be 1000 times better that I be this than to be cursed of God!



If you can't see the inconsistancy of being a fascist and being Godly, you are truly blind. And you are already a million times cursed, like Pharoh was.

Horsepicker

[rastajenk]

I'm always amused when people (like our Prez) ticking off the accomplishments of Islam begin with mathematics. Mathematics predated the pedophile prophet Mohammed, thus breaking the alleged linkage between Muslims and math. That intellectual accomplishments arose in that part of the world is not disputable. That anything good has come from there since Big Mo first uttered, "It is a sin to lie, unless you lie to a Jew; for that matter, you might as well kill 'em all" is.

[boxcar]

Dude, don't quote the book, you and most other subsects of religion don't know what your reading, everyone interprets with their own slant.

Ahh...but YOU have the inside skinny, right? Why don't you enlighten us with your particular interpretation (err..."slant", that is) of the Jeremiah and Psalm passages I quoted?

If you believe in any "politics" as you do, you are and have wasted your life getting anything from the bible in the first place.

You are ignorant of the bible and know not what it teaches. God ordained human government so my involvement politics or my beliefs in any political ideology is not inconsistent with my belief in Christ. :bang:

Further, as a Christian it is my duty to try to influence society for the good, which also means through the political process.

YOU believe in a candidate to turn things around, you are the man worshipper, a direct contridiction, religion and politics are two difffent universes.

Who told you what I believe? Are you some self-professed psychic? You carry a crystal ball around in your back pocket? No...I believe in a political ideology that is consistent with the bible and with the U.S. constitution and I support and vote for candidates who I think share those same beliefs to one extent or another. And the fact of the matter is that for the last few elections, I have held my nose when voting, including when I voted for Bush because I knew bush had wide liberal stripe running down his back and I don't have much regard for RINOS, if you get my drift.

True Brotherhood , true peace, real equality NEGATES the need for satan's tool, politics, you have isubconsciously selectively gnored sections of the book you claim to read and have allegiance to.

Again, you are a clueless wonder when it comes to the bible. God instituted human government after the Flood.

YOU are the man worshipper, idol worshipper, I worship NO man.

The only man I worship is the God-Man Jesus Christ. But that cannot be said of you because in the next breath practically, you stated:

First, genius, if the captain of the boat I am on is my mortal enemy, "I" am ON the boat, duh, unless you reside other than U.S., you will get affected.

First, you admit Christ isn't the captain of your boat, as he is on mine. Then to add insult to injury, you admit that your spirituality, such as it is, is limited by your worldliness. BO is the captain of your boat because you live within the borders of the U.S. Do you not know that God is a lot bigger than any nation's borders!? :bang: Do you not realize that God transcends his creation -- that he's bigger than all the nations on this earth?

Further, I have no fear at all if BO were to fail, whereas you, evidently, do. You believe neither in God or in yourself. What made this nation great is her People -- not the U.S. government! The U.S. government has never produced wealth or prosperity for this country. Everything this nation has become is due to the resources of the People. It's due to the People's productivity. To our genius. To our entrepreneurship. To our resiliency, etc., etc. The state is basically a large leech whose only mission in life is to suck the lifeblood from the People -- currently through its tax and spend policies.

You don't know what the term "son of God" means, you would not recognize him unless he sounded like yer boy Rush, and you have no concept as to even how to read Bible language, so eat your crackers as a good parrots reward.

There you go again -- pretending to be a god, who knows my mind. Tell me: How often do I listen to Limbaugh in the course of a month, since you think you know me so well?

If you can't see the inconsistancy of being a fascist and being Godly, you are truly blind. And you are already a million times cursed, like Pharoh was.

Before trying to remove the speck from my eye, please remove the beam from yours first. You're the one who tripped over yourself in the above contradiction. You're the one who can't help but make BO the captain of your ship. He is your savior. His is your messiah. You want him to steer your life because you're incapable of doing it yourself. Isn't this right? You have no true faith in God or even in yourself. You're just too ashamed to come out and admit it explicitly.

Boxcar

[Horsepicker]

Your points are equivalent to arguing how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.




Thats the way you operate. Don't apply your madness to me.





You avoid the issue at hand by equivocating. Contributions from the past have no bearing on the matter at hand.



Man, that exactly what you are doing. Again, don't project your shortcomings upon me.

Go tell a Police Detective or Psychiatrist that the past has no bearing. Also throw in Paleontologist and Archeologist while your at it. This definitely displays your lack of education and science, or how warped of an understanding you have of information you come across, scientist rely on past information..., yeah, definitely NOT "fully aware of science and mathematics", the complete opposite.




Apply this to the real world: Islam, perhaps, is advancing the cause of a subset of it's followers and it certainly is not doing anything for the culture of Western civilization. Prove me otherwise



Your knowledge or awareness of the major three religions count for less than nothing, your conclusions are that of a reactive mob or Witch hunter with pitch forks and torches.

Your hollow, barren, "Rush-like" sound bites , I'm realizing now, is unworthy of sincere engagement, there is no proof you will hear or will accept, for to have a dialog of understanding, one has to agree on the most basic of science and information......even if I did not like what you present and I looked it up and proved you were right and accurate as it underlies the principle point, I would have no problem given Amen to a point, if it is the truth, even if I vehemently did not like it or agreed with it.

So far, you simply are evasive, condemning of a whole religion and race of people with no or hardly any accuracy, and reading "Mein Kampf" does not qualify as a useful tool to analyze, at least, the point about Arabs and religion, so stop using that or anything similar for a resource on this point.

Proof? You are exactely like the scribes and pharisees ....they used lies, slants, technicalities, slander, rumor, evasion , probably spelling like your buddy and other tactics to not engage with sincerity...,my mistake, they were sincere, at trying to keep power and having their way, the truth was not in them, and it seems, you have an oil and water repel mechanism when it comes anywhere close to being reasonable.

I can get more reasonable and positive atomic action talking to a 7,500 year old brick than get consensus on any point with you, your bud, and your other pals that think like you.

You and your friends view of Peace= "Piece" of ALL "I" want, ALL of yours and even what I don't want, then we have Peace.

Since you or anyone like you selectively get most of your information from buds, tabloids, corporate owned media, talk shows and other crap sources....you are not watching investigative journalism, you are watching spin masters, distractors and social engineering.

When the American Revolutionist rebelled against unbearable oppression and turned against the government of Britain, were they terrorist?

So, lets say, and its feasible, that when the New World Order is finalized , U.S. contract for military, like they do now, to China's Army or like Rome did, to Mexico's population with the promise of citizen ship, to help the National Guard when some about or total amount of Martial Law is initiated, you can't leave your area, but your loved ones is hungry, need medical, no water, no money, no job, no income, no electricity, barely shelter, and there are no or not enough resources or government rations for most to survive, we will see if you sit peacefully and accept it.

Innocent people killed? If there was a businessman in your Martial Law area, eating steak, putting the deals together that got the military there in the first place, pushed for the war in the first place,while you and your family suffer and die, while he and others like him relish in your city, state, country demise, we'll see if you sit quiet and accept it.

History has answered that.

You or people you know and other associates have probably already got your Klan, I mean, your Militia group training seminar somewhere in Idaho or other isolated training place.

What are they training for? Certainly not to uproot the Government or repel them, THAT would terrorism, hey, they are doing their duty, their job, you would'nt shoot them or blow them up, would you?

There's still a waiting list on ammunition, some law enforcement are getting rations, so are the "future" terrorist , here, who are condemning other so-called terrorist to accept the dominating power, are preparing for something?

Corporations get UNNECESSARY cash, misuse it at will, then legally LIE about its intention , enjoy it as "additional" profits to their quarter, its called "subsidy" while other persons get cash, its called Welfare, a name with a taint on it, and are declared lowlifes, in an indictment of all.

People who think like you relish in this type of hypocrisy, contradiction, deception, technical semantics,synonyms, waste of words,language and brain power that should be used to sincerely help people, no matter who they are.

Terrorist, huh....?...,are you or your friends or associates on the "backorder" list for ammunition?

Terrorist , indeed.


Horspicker

[DJofSD]

Wow. Are you always like this or did you get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning?

You profess knowledge of different people's religions, believe's and academic accomplishments. But you know none of the specifics.

You come off as an all-knowing academic that has a one size fits all world view with no room for differing opinions and the inability to admit some one else's opinions are just as valuable as yours.

Come down from your ivory tower.

[boxcar]

Wow. Are you always like this or did you get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning?

You profess knowledge of different people's religions, believe's and academic accomplishments. But you know none of the specifics.

You come off as an all-knowing academic that has a one size fits all world view with no room for differing opinions and the inability to admit some one else's opinions are just as valuable as yours.

Come down from your ivory tower.

Don't pay this retread any mind. He's another emperor without clothes -- just like the captain of his ship. :D

Boxcar

[Greyfox]

http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2009/07/iranians-rape-virgin-girls-before.html

Thankyou Cangamble for that article, which is the start of this thread on
Islam lowers the bar.
Reading that makes me want to puke.

What has been written between that post and here in many posts borders on the obscene. I haven't seen a defense (and how could one.) Diversions elsewhere I presume were not the reasons for this thread. Thankyou Cangamble.

[PaceAdvantage]

Why do guys like "Horsepicker" always have to mention Rush? As if we all have posters of Limbaugh hanging above our computer monitors. :lol:

I believe these far-lefties are getting nervous, that's all...polls are dropping, people are starting to question...they're nervous that their supposed "100 year run" will turn into something far, far less...:lol:

[Tom]

The libs have always resorted to attacking the messenger instead of the message, which they normally cannot do. you can put all the lipstick on this new pig you want, he is still shooting blanks and talking through his ludes.

[lsbets]

Back on topic, why is there never any outrage from the left about the way in which the followers of the pedophile prophet treat women?

[DJofSD]

Back on topic, why is there never any outrage from the left about the way in which the followers of the pedophile prophet treat women?
Why not? Because crazy people are incapable of self-diagnosis.

[boxcar]

Why not? Because crazy people are incapable of self-diagnosis.

And they're incapable because to their minds, they're normal. It's just natural for many if not most Islamic males to regard females as rugs under their feet. And if you think that's sick, very many of the women think their bad treatment is normal, too! They become so psychologically conditioned to their subservient roles that they actually come to believe that they really are inferior to their male counterparts. So, while they may not gladly accept their role in Islamic society, I would have to think they at least quietly resign themselves to it for the most part.

It's a sick, perverted religion that can only breed equally as sick adherents.

Boxcar

[Horsepicker]

Mathematics predated the pedophile prophet Mohammed,




So let me get this straight, NO other cultures,religions, and civilizations in the past did not consider it normal , in that day, to marry someone under 15 or younger?

If you believe that, then I'll leave it at that.

But if and when you find that is NOT the case, then let's see if you piss and dismiss with the same veracity and hate to the "other" religions, cultures and civilizations.

People reading this would know it would not matter , to you, what the answer was.




for that matter, you might as well kill 'em all" is.



Be careful what you wish for , or wish on others, there is some truth to this statement, but not what you think because what you sew, the harvest is going to be something you had not counted on, believe what you will, believe that.

Horsepicker

[Tom]

I love it when the garbage man brings the trash back.
Same old garbage as before, just older and smellier.
A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
If one had on to begin with, that is. Serious doubt about this one.
A failure as a horse player, the name is a gas. :lol:
Guess "Loser" was taken.

[cj's dad]

Be careful what you wish for , or wish on others, there is some truth to this statement, but not what you think because what you sew, the harvest is going to be something you had not counted on, believe what you will, believe that.

Horsepicker

Nosepicker er,... horsepicker

That sounds seriously like a threat !! Do you have some inside knowledge that the rest of infidels are unaware of ??

[boxcar]

Nosepicker er,... horsepicker

That sounds seriously like a threat !! Do you have some inside knowledge that the rest of infidels are unaware of ??

His pastime is picking horse's noses. He'd pick his own but his nostrils are so impacted with horse manure, he's never figured out a way to clean them.

Boxcar

[Tom]

Good night, Gracie.

[Steve 'StatMan']

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[cj's dad]

YOU are the man worshipper, idol worshipper, I worship NO man.

Horsepicker

So, at least you're not gay :lol:

[boxcar]

So, at least you're not gay :lol:

Well...not necessarily. He does idolize BO. That is his captain. :rolleyes:

Boxcar

[Horsepicker]

Ahh...but YOU have the inside skinny, right? Why don't you enlighten us with your particular interpretation (err..."slant", that is) of the Jeremiah and Psalm passages I quoted?



I am hardly wise, never claimed to be smart, just a loudmouth like you, typing my opinions, but I know , by your statements, more than you on this matter.

Like you said, I'll keep it to myself.




You are ignorant of the bible and know not what it teaches. God ordained human government so my involvement politics or my beliefs in any political ideology is not inconsistent with my belief in Christ.



Yes sir, I definitely have some ignorance of the Bible, but you are more ignorant than I am, you are just parroting what you read.





Further, as a Christian it is my duty to try to influence society for the good, which also means through the political process.



Oh yeah, that's very interesting, but here is my question:

What type of Christian are you or do you claim to be? Because if you are going to have the wisdom, clarity and God force behind you to change God-less individuals such as politicians, how can you do that when you can't come to an influential consensus of wisdom in your own sect...?

All these denominations can't come to a consensus and unity on the best wisdom, yet , there is as much or more divisiveness in the ranks than most can handle or deal with, much less the willingness and sincerity to hash it out, because there are "other" agendas besides Gods, you think they can't see that???

They own , pretty much all the religions, taking government hand outs, payoffs, deals, and bribes, too scared to publicly and vocally tell the truth about ALL governments and their evils....just turn on the T.V. and radio to see what government they condemn,....better not, or the government would take away their 501(c) exemption, cowards..., un-Godly people may be sinners, but they are not stupid.

Are you and can you unite as one on the best and superior wisdom of today with Baptist, Evangelical, Greek Orthodox, Lutherans, Pentecostals,Presbyterians, on and on.....for God is not a God of confusion and division, the God of Moses and Jesus had the same religion, as well as ALL the good men sent by God, yet, you would believe that God would start teaching babes with Calculus right off, not in stages and advanced levels, hence, one reason of the division in names and practices.

There is hardly any discipline that a novice learns that he gets the WHOLE course in one shot.

Human growth , as well as mental and spiritual growth, is simply not designed that way.



No...I believe in a political ideology that is consistent with the bible and with the U.S. constitution and I support and vote for candidates who I think share those same beliefs to one extent or another. And the fact of the matter is that for the last few elections, I have held my nose when voting, including when I voted for Bush because I knew bush had wide liberal stripe running down his back and I don't have much regard for RINOS, if you get my drift.



There is no government on the planet that is consistent with the Bible. If you believe that, than you have a strange definition of whats considered "reading the Bible."

The Bible said "Satan HAS consumed the whole world". Unless you are not on Earth, you and I are deceived , no matter how much we claim to know.

The U.S. Constitution, the Magna Carta, and any other government document in the past few thousand years has nothing to do with God and his way.

Whatever their claims, it is just that, claims.

Did you also "read" in the Bible Jesus character descriptions of politicians in his day? You need to go find it and re-read it.

If you are my brother from my mother, as all men should treat other men, there is no politics, if you are hungry I feed you, if there are 20 starving people, that bread gets sliced in 20, end of discussion, no hankering ,debating, filibustering, etc., end of discussion.

People of God and Good Will, and reflecting Gods mind have no use for the false technology of politics, it is a worldly construct of men and women who have fallen light years of where Adam fell, politics is like the technology and science of magic, the skill of illusion.






The only man I worship is the God-Man Jesus Christ.



You have failed the Last Test-a-Mentality right there. Jesus never said to worship him....ever thing he said was preempted with the word Father, Father, Father, Father,Father....

.....since he did not create himself, and the Earth was here before Jesus, there is a power greater than him.

NO images of God, Re-Read Moses.

Men are sent as examples of where man and women should be at a certain stage of development.

Christ CRUSHED the wicked , when Jesus left, the wicked were then and now still doing their thing, getting even wickeder.

Christ is not his last name. Christ is a title. Jesus was A Christ, not THE Christ.

He said greater works you shall do, so if he healed the sick, made the blind see, the dumb speak, the deaf hear, fed 5,000 with a few fish and bread, turned water to wine, walked on water, YOU and those calling themselves followers of Jesus, should be superseding this 2,000 years later.

If you believe the things he did as literal as they wrote them, good luck, hope you improve on your allegory skills.

Christians stopped growing at Jesus, focused on Jesus and not who Jesus told you to focus on, Muslims stopped a Muhammed, Jews stopped at Moses.

ALL have deviated, that includes you and me.




BO is the captain of your boat because you live within the borders of the U.S.



Guess your way of "reading" the Bible is the same way you read all your information, selectively.

Once and for all, I could care less about any President, past or future. I have nothing to do with politics, it is a waste of time that the world does not have.

Moses had the backing of God, needed no army, weapons or any artificial man made utilities to drop Pharaoh, if Jesus was your captain, as you claim, you would have this power and do what he did, they never taught integration into the current political practices of a nation(s) Targeted by God for chastisement.

"Come OUT of her my people...".......and it just does not mean physically...,Lot was on the run and Noah built a ship to insulate from Gods wrath, so you believe "which" empire on Earth will be standing when God washes the planet?

ALL have failed and will continue to fail worse "until" their ENTIRE removal, permanently and forever, never to resurface again.






Before trying to remove the speck from my eye, please remove the beam from yours first.




No, I don't have a beam in my eye...., I have a forest. I'm just humble and tad bit smart enough to admit it, and keep my mind as open as possible.

There is no guarantee of who is going to be left, but obviously, you know you are going to heaven, whatever and wherever you think it is, no if's , and's or but's about it.

I'm at least smart enough to know those chosen few who survive to rebuild the Earth and The Kingdom of Go(o)d are going to do so by the skin of their teeth, and there is no skin on the teeth.

Coffee, plaque,tobacco and snuff stains don't count as skin.

Horsepicker

[Horsepicker]

You profess knowledge of different people's religions, believe's and academic accomplishments. But you know none of the specifics.

You come off as an all-knowing academic that has a one size fits all world view with no room for differing opinions and the inability to admit some one else's opinions are just as valuable as yours.



No, just a loudmouth like you typing and spouting off opinions like you.

When YOU give room for differing opinions and demonstrate the ability to admit someone else's opinion are just as valuable as yours, I will out do you in righteousness and in kind, as un-righteous as I am.

Horsepicker

[boxcar]

Yes sir, I definitely have some ignorance of the Bible, but you are more ignorant than I am, you are just parroting what you read.

This "tome" you've written suggests you're far too modest, and that you have exceedingly more than "some".

Boxcar

[Horsepicker]

Thankyou Cangamble for that article, which is the start of this thread on
Islam lowers the bar.
Reading that makes me want to puke.

What has been written between that post and here in many posts borders on the obscene. I haven't seen a defense (and how could one.) Diversions elsewhere I presume were not the reasons for this thread. Thankyou Cangamble.



Not even the Creator of the Universe could change this dudes mind, he's sealed and locked, even if the Creator had a new, updated advanced lesson thru those he respects, he will do exactely what the Jews, Christians and Muslims have done, STOPPED where THEY thought they should stop, and deem the person they respected a traitor or someone who's lost the way.

Wise men study all knowledge and technology, be it math, Judaism, molecules, Christianity, oceanography,Baptism, zoology, paleontology,Greek Orthodox, Islam, Shantoism, there is no border a truth seeker seeking clarity of Gods way will go.

This chap seems to know where God "isn't", though he is everywhere,he's designated himself where he will look and where he will not, God will test us in ways we percieve not.

Especially when there is not ONE nation God has not raised from among them and sent them his message for that people which is applicable for all people.

God has sent prophets, warners, messengers, apostles both known and unknown.

If you knew what day and time you living in , puking is going to be the least of your worries.

Horsepicker

[Horsepicker]

I believe these far-lefties are getting nervous, that's all...polls are dropping, people are starting to question...they're nervous that their supposed "100 year run" will turn into something far, far less...



I don't know a lot, but I do know folks who grip tightly to these ideologies and practices of liberal, conservative, republican, democrat, green party,pink party, 4 th party, whatever, are occupying their minds with useless static that will possibly take away any room left to receive, hear or analyze pertinent information for saving themselves.

These are serious times, no time to waste for grown children playing whose king of the sandbox, fighting and bullying for scraps of candy, for in the end, it is less than scraps compared to what God has waiting for those few unknown to make it through unimaginable wrath and rebuild a new planet and new Universe.

Horsepicker

[Tom]

Unknown prophets? Wow!

"Chuckie baby, Chuckie baby......"

[Horsepicker]

The libs have always resorted to attacking the messenger instead of the message, which they normally cannot do. you can put all the lipstick on this new pig you want, he is still shooting blanks and talking through his ludes.



Your avatar shows the depth of your empathy and the boundaries of your absurdity.

It also says better than anything I could type.

Horsepicker

[Horsepicker]

Back on topic, why is there never any outrage from the left about the way in which the followers of the pedophile prophet treat women?



Since King James ran through his royal courts chasing little naked boys grabbing their backsides, killed animals for the pleasure of killing, then, would roll with his whole body in the fresh blood of the carcass he just dropped, you might as well throw out the Bible and shut the door on Christianity as you have of Islam, based on your line of reasoning.

Horsepicker

[Horsepicker]

Why not? Because crazy people are incapable of self-diagnosis.



Touch'e.

Read this statement, in the mirror, to yourself for at least one hour, occassionally looking yourself in the eye, maybe it would sink in.

Horsepicker

[Horsepicker]

And they're incapable because to their minds, they're normal.




Exactly. Read this to yourself in the mirror over and over.





It's just natural for many if not most Islamic males to regard females as rugs under their feet. And if you think that's sick, very many of the women think their bad treatment is normal, too! They become so psychologically conditioned to their subservient roles that they actually come to believe that they really are inferior to their male counterparts. So, while they may not gladly accept their role in Islamic society, I would have to think they at least quietly resign themselves to it for the most part.

It's a sick, perverted religion that can only breed equally as sick adherents.



So all the "so-called" Christian conquerers and their empires who pillaged, raped and burn, are you saying that in history, there are cases in which God sanctions Rape as "O.K.", nothing to be concerned about?

Are you saying only Islam and Arabs traded a woman for a goat, NO other cultures, races and so-called followers of religion did this and that their oppression of women was the only oppression of women in history, and the worst?

I dare you to answer this honestly.

Whatever your answer, it is going to show more of who you are.

Horsepicker

[Horsepicker]

I love it when the garbage man brings the trash back.
Same old garbage as before, just older and smellier.
A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
If one had on to begin with, that is. Serious doubt about this one.
A failure as a horse player, the name is a gas. :lol:
Guess "Loser" was taken.



Garbage??? Loser??? Waste??? Failure???

This from a clown who has a bald headed monkey with a stupid look on his face representing his name.

Your religion is Anarchy, as long as something burns, you would'nt care who or for what reason.

I am not holding my breath that you would ever grow a human soul, so why should anyone expect anything of value from you , except monstrous cruelty?

Get a tingle of pleasure off misery and being a bully, you would have been a good, solid Nazi soldier in Jewish death camps, you were just born a little too late, darn it, you pain freak.

Horsepicker

[Horsepicker]

Nosepicker er,... horsepicker

That sounds seriously like a threat !! Do you have some inside knowledge that the rest of infidels are unaware of ??



Blow J er, ...cj

I am an infidel hoping to change in time.

All knowledge needed is out there, right now, you simply closed the door on where you will never look, as though you know where God has something to show you, as though you know who and where God will speak to you.

A barking dog can dissuade you from a direction , that you realize much later, was God keeping you away from danger, if one but kept their ears pierced.

Especially if said incident happened more than twice at several different geographical locations and circumstances, then the logic of random, fluke happenstance is out.

Too many times that I have seen sworn, mortal enemy do something of good , w-a-y out of character and normal M.O., and HE did not know why or remember himself doing it.

He will come in ways and vessels you perceive not.

Too many get caught up in the vessel and superficial.

Prisoner of their own views.

Believe it or not, I have not ignored anything posted by others, for there may be something God can clue one in on, despite posters rantings and agenda, if one would humble themselves and take a second or even third look just to be sure.

I reflect , even on what a bum may say, it has happened, God comes in many and in all forms, individuals place boundaries where they will go to hear or receive God , not God, you will be tested until your dying breath.

I am not that smart, so I have to take 5th and 6th looks , maybe even 7 or 8 to be sure before I deem something as unvaluable.

The wise ones will know.

Horsepicker

[boxcar]

Since King James ran through his royal courts chasing little naked boys grabbing their backsides, killed animals for the pleasure of killing, then, would roll with his whole body in the fresh blood of the carcass he just dropped, you might as well throw out the Bible and shut the door on Christianity as you have of Islam, based on your line of reasoning.

Horsepicker


I wasn't aware that the good King started a religion. Pray tell...enlighten us all as to which one?

Boxcar

[Horsepicker]

I wasn't aware that the good King started a religion. Pray tell...enlighten us all as to which one?



The Holy Bible , King James version, Adolf Hitlers version, Genghis Khans version, Nicodemus version, Julius Caesar's version, on and on.....

How do you think Satan deceived the whole world?

Tainting good wine.

Horsepicker

[LottaKash]

The Holy Bible , King James version, Adolf Hitlers version, Genghis Khans version, Nicodemus version, Julius Caesar's version, on and on.....

How do you think Satan deceived the whole world?

Tainting good wine.

Horsepicker

EA....it's in the game.....

best,

[Tom]

Garbage??? Loser??? Waste??? Failure???




Very good, you know who you are. :lol: MOP MOP

[boxcar]

The Holy Bible , King James version, Adolf Hitlers version, Genghis Khans version, Nicodemus version, Julius Caesar's version, on and on.....

How do you think Satan deceived the whole world?

Tainting good wine.

Horsepicker

And you compare a bible version to the religion of Islam? :bang: :bang:

You see, I said that you were too modest, didn't I? :rolleyes:

Boxcar

[cj's dad]

I'm not sure but I think this psycho has typed more words in his 36 posts than I have in nearly 2,700.

[Tom]

And said less! :lol:

Hope I have an open slot in IGGY.

[DJofSD]

There's an old expression that applies to this "debate" with Horsepicker: never argue with a fool because people will not be able to tell the difference.

10-4, over and out.

[Steve 'StatMan']

And said less! :lol:

Hope I have an open slot in IGGY.

There's always room for Jello and slots in Iggy!

[Greyfox]

Isn't it interesting that anytime a Thread starts talking about today's atrocities subscribed to by large Islamic masses, the argument always is tossed back at us about the history of atrocities in Christianity.
Our noses are then stuffed in crap from hundreds of years ago. That's just a smoke screen to take our focus off today's problems.

We live in today's world. We do not live in the 1600's or 700's.
None of us can do anything about those previous horror stories.
We live today in 2009.
If Christians today are still committing atrocities let us know, but perhaps in another thread.
Otherwise, it's not relevant to this thread.

In the meanwhile, week after week, its pretty obvious that Islam practitioners are "lowering the bar." Don't give us that crap that it's just the extremist groups. These practices are supported by large numbers of Islamic theologians behind the running of their nations.

[boxcar]

Isn't it interesting that anytime a Thread starts talking about today's atrocities subscribed to by large Islamic masses, the argument always is tossed back at us about the history of atrocities in Christianity.
Our noses are then stuffed in crap from hundreds of years ago. That's just a smoke screen to take our focus off today's problems.

We live in today's world. We do not live in the 1600's or 700's.
None of us can do anything about those previous horror stories.
We live today in 2009.
If Christians today are still committing atrocities let us know, but perhaps in another thread.
Otherwise, it's not relevant to this thread.

In the meanwhile, week after week, its pretty obvious that Islam practitioners are "lowering the bar." Don't give us that crap that it's just the extremist groups. These practices are supported by large numbers of Islamic theologians behind the running of their nations.

It's the Left's pathetic way of defending the indefensible. They toss out one red herring after another. That's all they have.

Boxcar

[Horsepicker]

And you compare a bible version to the religion of Islam?

You see, I said that you were too modest, didn't I?



You "read" and your buddies post like you "read" the Bible and process information.

You have not addressed or "read" anything I have said.

There is not one book, that is considered holy, that is not compromised.

When you can unite all the sects in your own religion, first, which in not going to happen, I would be very eager to know your methodology, because it would be the key to peace of other religions and sincere consensus.

You and your pals "reading" and "conversation" is the process of engaging target practice, Predatory, not looking for whats good or possibly feasible but only an opening to attack.

That's you guys approach to other races, religions, philosophies , etc., YOUR way or The Highway, nothing in-between........the only thing that you guys would consider in-between is YOUR WAY, no matter how right , wrong or ridiculous, very easy to be arrogant and have ego- maniacal pride when, speaking in terms of logistics, one is in , physically, a superior position, a superiority complex, especially when one is on top.

The problem with a superiority complex is that it is assumed that position will be occupied till the end of time.

Like when sports teams are smug and over confident of themselves, disregarding the competition..., sometimes it works, sometimes they are left in shock and disbelief.

You guys are going to fall very hard, be prepared, because you fellas are going be like World Champion Boxers when they stay too long, still think they will be best in the world forever, still hunger for the lights and glamor.

Don't know when to retire and enjoy the fruits of their life, council and help up and coming future champions, and let the up and coming champions grow in their own way, no, they usually get knocked into retirement, with some permanent anatomical damage to boot.

You know , a World Champion boxer , who don't know when to quit, disregards the advice of his trainer, his doctor, and even those who are close to him.

He would get a whole new staff of people, yes men, to say how great he is and that he can never be beat, keep fighting, while firing those who give him caring advice, advice he does not want to hear.

It is going to happen, since you disdain history, what fools.

Only a fool disregard history.

Tomorrow is built on today, and today is built and is from the foundation of the past.

Disregard the foundation, and you will not be able to save a crumbling house.

But like the World Champion boxer, he things he will never lose, never retire, no one will ever beat, he will never let go of the belt, there will never be anyone good enough to beat him and take it, and will be defending his World Championship until the grave, despite what has happened to his predecessors in the same sport, in the same weight class, hell, HE probably knocked out a guy , a champion, who stayed to long to become World Champion.

He usually gets humiliated , woefully, embarassingly in his final fight, final, because he sustained too much damage with hardly any chance of coming back, along with diminishing skills and age.

No empire is forever, so rather than pick apart technicalities, look at the point that is trying to relayed, but feel it is hopeless, superiority complex is a high and worser drug than any street or pharmaceutical grade.

Horsepicker

[Horsepicker]

I'm not sure but I think this psycho has typed more words in his 36 posts than I have in nearly 2,700.



Compare my post to yours.

No matter how wrong or inaccurate you assume or think it to be, I mentioned more about peace, brotherhood and good than you, in fact, I don't think you mentioned anything of the kind.

However warped you think I and my post are, you deem the mention and attempt of peace and understanding as psycho.

There is nothing more to be said here, you have laid the root of your soul bare here.

Horsepicker

[46zilzal]

Compare my post to yours.

No matter how wrong or inaccurate you assume or think it to be, I mentioned more about peace, brotherhood and good than you, in fact, I don't think you mentioned anything of the kind.

However warped you think I and my post are, you deem the mention and attempt of peace and understanding as psycho.

There is nothing more to be said here, you have laid the root of your soul bare here.

The main trend here is often not understand but to destroy "nuke em" and topple governments never to try find common ground.

[boxcar]

No empire is forever, so rather than pick apart technicalities, look at the point that is trying to relayed, but feel it is hopeless, superiority complex is a high and worser drug than any street or pharmaceutical grade.

Horsepicker

Since you brought up the topic of drugs, how long have you been off your meds? Your little fingers, arms and wrists would love you dearly if you gave them all a rest fer a spell.

Boxcar

[boxcar]

Compare my post to yours.

No matter how wrong or inaccurate you assume or think it to be, I mentioned more about peace, brotherhood and good than you, in fact, I don't think you mentioned anything of the kind.

However warped you think I and my post are, you deem the mention and attempt of peace and understanding as psycho.

There is nothing more to be said here, you have laid the root of your soul bare here.

Horsepicker

Here it is, folks -- the very essence of liberalism. Mr. Horseypicker is the expert in "peace, brotherhood and good" because of his mere mentions of it. But more than this: He is sincere about it, too, for the same reason.

As I have long said, When you think liberal, think visceral. Thank you, Mr. HorseyPicker, for validating my long observation about most liberals.

Boxcar

[lsbets]

The main trend here is often not understand but to destroy "nuke em" and topple governments never to try find common ground.

Is any common ground possible when it comes to treating women like property that can be abused or disposed of in any way the owner wants?

[Horsepicker]

Isn't it interesting that anytime a Thread starts talking about today's atrocities subscribed to by large Islamic masses, the argument always is tossed back at us about the history of atrocities in Christianity.
Our noses are then stuffed in crap from hundreds of years ago. That's just a smoke screen to take our focus off today's problems.

We live in today's world. We do not live in the 1600's or 700's.
None of us can do anything about those previous horror stories.
We live today in 2009.
If Christians today are still committing atrocities let us know, but perhaps in another thread.
Otherwise, it's not relevant to this thread.

In the meanwhile, week after week, its pretty obvious that Islam practitioners are "lowering the bar." Don't give us that crap that it's just the extremist groups. These practices are supported by large numbers of Islamic theologians behind the running of their nations.




What is your definition of "TODAY"?

And whatever it is, who and what consensus determined the time line ?

Is today, 24 hours ago, 1 month ago, 1 year ago, 30 years ago, only the 21 century?

The Justice System does not agree with YOUR definition of "TODAY", for if there is clear and unfathomable evidence that you committed a murder 69 years ago, guess what genius, you will be prosecuted.

So maybe you should go to the Supreme Court and argue about changing the current precedent , you might have a shot.

By your quote, it alludes to your definition of "TODAY" as 2009.

So, by your path of logic, should we disregard 9/11 and not bring that up?

Not use that as evidence or an argument for any current dialog , debate and engagement?

Should we not talk about what "liberals" have done in 2008 and further back, since, that was the "past", by your definition of "today"?

You and your pals are affirming my feeling on why the Republicans, conservatives, neo-cons, whatever, is so attractive to a segment of the population.

It is the party that seems to gives welcome and a home to racist, bigots, patriarchal, separatist rationalization/ apologist, genocidal maniacs, superiority complex, blatant and open hypocrisy , back-stabbers, liars, ex-klan member, klan sympathizers, klan apologist/excuse, fascist, white supremacist/apologist, apartheid sympathizers/apologist/defenders/justification/rationalization, hate mongers,oh, and did I mention genocidal maniacs.

It is uses hypocrisy as just one of its tools.

Conservatives take every low life scum bad quality they enjoy, and simply accuse others with it as a defense.

Conservatives will tell everyone else to stop playing the victim and use your bootstraps, simultaneouly giving their minions fresh material of who to blame for their problems, its not you good conservatives fault.

It is a party that says you can say one thing and do something totally opposite, and you still are our kind of folks.

It is a party that takes all the low life scum bad qualities their members relish and enjoy, and gives them a barrage of fresh defensive material to justify their feelings, gives them arguments or new word substitutions to debate and justify against any adversary of their view.

Your boy Rush, Hannity and the others are a Godsend to genocidal minions.

Rush was the protype. The others just perfected the craft.

He's part lobbyist for those who cause the problem, part public relations skills, the art of talking in circles and deflection, part lawyer who would use any loophole or technicality or partial information to win his argument right or wrong, and part politician that will do and say anything to please his minions and continue to get their support.

Its a party that says you can be selfish while feigning charity, be as greedy as possible, give back nothing of substance , take and take, you are one of us.

If Rush ain't a representative and is not your main boy, what other talk show guru has his own "State of The Union" address , covered by all the media, and interviewed and dissected on all his other copycats?

It enveloped the conservative movement as though the Pope made an address, so drop the "Rush is not our main guy" crap.

Liberals and Democrats are no better, they are just 10 times more sneakier and subversive.

They preach one thing and practice another , the difference is, they would share their crumbs(granola) with you and say "peace, man, groovy".

The difference between liberals and neo-facsist is this:

Republicans will out right cut your head off, call you a slacker while doing, say it was good for and this is what you said you want and need, all the while never to personally be beholden to what they tell you to do, thats what makes it so appealing, preach, but you are not expected to practice it , personally, in your life, it would not be considered hypocrisy, after all, this is the conservative party, we do what we want.

Democrats are like Dr. Kevorkian........,they will hold your hand, stroke your head, feed you warm milk and cookies, tell you bed time stories, kiss you on the cheek, cry with you, all the while slowly killing you, but you don't know the difference because it simply feels like sleep, so high like the best drug, so painless, except you will NEVER wake up, they are killing you no different.

Good luck in waiting for that candidate that is going to bring nirvana to america, because if he does, it will be very short lived, congratulate the anti-christ, the employee of the World Banks thats waited years to get a foothold in america, and they have, in 1913.

There is corrupt gangrene in governments that simply cannot be surgically removed on treated.

Keep debating the symptoms, and what party or person is at fault,I guess it makes one feel they have measure of some power.

Horsepicker

[Horsepicker]

Since you brought up the topic of drugs, how long have you been off your meds? Your little fingers, arms and wrists would love you dearly if you gave them all a rest fer a spell.



Gimme that big, ego-superior chip you got on your shoulder, maybe thats better to smoke than anything on the street or prescription, its working wonders for you, you are like the pcp smoker who dont know or care he is in the street butt naked.

Horsepicker

[boxcar]

Gimme that big, ego-superior chip you got on your shoulder, maybe thats better to smoke than anything on the street or prescription, its working wonders for you, you are like the pcp smoker who dont know or care he is in the street butt naked.

Horsepicker

Hey, I have news fer ya: If I was in the street "butt naked", people would stare in awe at every square inch of my beautiful, gorgeous sleek and lean body. ;)
AND...I bet you can't say that about yourself with a straight face. :lol:

Boxcar

[Horsepicker]

Here it is, folks -- the very essence of liberalism. Mr. Horseypicker is the expert in "peace, brotherhood and good" because of his mere mentions of it. But more than this: He is sincere about it, too, for the same reason.

As I have long said, When you think liberal, think visceral. Thank you, Mr. HorseyPicker, for validating my long observation about most liberals.



Then you better throw out the Bible and all its sent men, because it mentions peace and brotherhood too much , also.

At least I mentioned it, someone raving about and pissing on someone elses race, religion and culture does not have peace in mind.

Sincere about it, so pissing, spitting and consistantly punching someone in the nose is interpreted as peaceful, brotherhood? He is only sincere about finding targets to bully and crush, for sport, hiding behind patriotism and the bible, like you.

You and your buddies philosophies, so-called religious ideology and practices are walking contradictions, but hey, thats why you are neo-cons, it defys this as being a contradiction.

NO, boxcar, "HERE" it is, the kind of american you respect, hope to aspire to and the end game of conservatism, enjoy boxcar-NorthWood "american":

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/northwoods.pdf


This is the mantra of the Republican party, the ends justify the means.

Peace is when everyone else is dead, or we continually create new targets to practice on, for fun and sport.

Your term "Liberal" does not apply to me or my philosophy, don't use those slang neo con code words to justify your crap.

"Liberal " is a code word you guys use to "wink" at each other, does not matter if you have empirical evidence or not, right or wrong, it says, "support your brother neo-con hypocrite at all cost, pile on".

It is also a weak term used to paint someone as weak, although the accuser may even be weaker; in other words, it is grown folks way of slang, like kids who just end a argument and say, " that's so gay".

How pathetic and childish, but this is also accepted as a badge and quality of honor to you folks, not considered a contradiction.

Horsepicker

[Marshall Bennett]

Bet picker has worn out a dozen keyboards in his 41 post .

[46zilzal]

No empire is forever, so rather than pick apart technicalities, look at the point that is trying to relayed, but feel it is hopeless, superiority complex is a high and worser drug than any street or pharmaceutical grade.

Horsepicker
Keep it up even if it won't do any good

[cj's dad]

Compare my post to yours.

No matter how wrong or inaccurate you assume or think it to be, I mentioned more about peace, brotherhood and good than you, in fact, I don't think you mentioned anything of the kind.

However warped you think I and my post are, you deem the mention and attempt of peace and understanding as psycho.

There is nothing more to be said here, you have laid the root of your soul bare here.

Horsepicker

can we take a vote ??

[Greyfox]

Keep debating the symptoms, and what party or person is at fault,I guess it makes one feel they have measure of some power.

Horsepicker

I don't think that we have to debate the symptoms here lad.
"Pressure to write" seems to be one that you are displaying and if it provides a measure of power for you that's fine by me.

But to cut to the quick, for the moment let us assume that you can teach us something about Islam, which this Thread is supposed to be about.
Please tell us what you think is superior about it.

[boxcar]

can we take a vote ??

Someone needs to give this guy a clue. He thinks mere "mentions" is tantamount to bringing peace and good into the world. :bang: :bang:

Is there a full moon tonight? Anyone know?

Boxcar

[PaceAdvantage]

The main trend here is often not understand but to destroy "nuke em" and topple governments never to try find common ground.You must be wearing some incredible blinders if that's the impression you come away with...I suppose you only read Tom's posts....:lol:

[PaceAdvantage]

Does anyone know why this Horsepicker composite (Suff+ddog+ChucklesTheClown+Hcap+????) is wasting his time in this thread and on this website?

His disdain for a large portion of the posters here drips from every keystroke, while at the same time, his superiority complex has him hovering about eight miles above the servers where the database for this message board is located.

So I must ask the obvious question: what is he doing here wasting all this time and energy?

(PS. his use of "Blow j er" is worthy of banishment....way, way, way over the top response to nosepicker)

[Warren Henry]

(PS. his use of "Blow j er" is worthy of banishment....way, way, way over the top response to nosepicker)

I hereby cast my vote for DO IT. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[riskman]

Is there a full moon tonight? Anyone know?
Boxcar

Not tonight, second day after a new moon. The next full moon is August 6th.

There appears to be a lot a rage in the Horsepicker . There is a saying:
Speak when you are angry--and you will make the best speech you'll ever regret.
Laurence J. Peter

[Tom]

Hey 46, still waiting to hear where the common ground on abusing women is.
No broken arms, only sprains......hey! Wait a minute!

Now I see it - You favor abuse because it drums up business for all you quacks! (Obama told us all about you guys the other night!)

[Steve 'StatMan']

It must have got even wilder. There is note at the forum level of the thread of a poster named HorsepickersDAD at 6:56am that isn't in this thread so it must have been removed, by themselves or otherwise.

[Greyfox]

I suppose when someone saw Horsepicker they came up with HorsepickersDad as a parody of elsewhere here. Not funny.
At any rate the news this morning comes as more of the same old same old story of a man claiming to be disgraced by his wife.

Three guesses as to his faith, the first two don't count.

The story is at:

http://www.montrealgazette.com/Kingston+tragedy+dates+back/1816807/story.html

KINGSTON – A St. Léonard couple allegedly began making plans to kill their three daughters, along with the husband’s first wife, weeks before the bodies of all four victims were found in a car submerged in the Rideau Canal.
Mohammad Shafia, 56, his wife Tooba Mohammad Yahya, 39, and their eldest son, Hamed Shafia, 18, all face first-degree murder charges in the deaths, which came to light last month after a Nissan Sentra was discovered in the canal near the Kingston Mills Locks. Conspiracy charges filed at the Kingston courthouse Thursday reveal investigators believe plans to commit the killings were hatched as far back as May 1, long before the family travelled to Niagara Falls. The deaths occurred during the return trip to Montreal.....
.....A person claiming to be a relative sent an anonymous email to The Gazette alleging that Shafia was “disgraced” by his daughters’ behaviour in Canada and that he wanted his first wife to return to Afghanistan while hiding the fact they were married.