$114,340 Belmont Pick 6 - Did one party cash BOTH tix?

[Vinman]

In last Wednesday's Belmont Pick 6, with a final "carryover" pool of $297,239, the TVG announcers noted after the 8th race, won by the $44.20 rank outsider in a field of 5, that there were no live Pick 6 tickets on any of the horses in the 9th.....except for the 8 horse, Joaquin Memphis, who went off as the THIRD choice in the post time betting at 3.90-1.

Now here, as the late Paul Harvey would say, is the "rest of the story".....

As it turns out, there is not ONE live Pick 6 ticket on Joaquin Memphis, but TWO, each worth $114,340 a copy. Hmmmm.

At the top of the stretch, the 5 wide Joaquin Memphis pulls away from the field to score a "no doubt" victory of just under 4 lengths for his connections, Norberto Arroyo Jr, trainer Gregory DiPrima and owners, Glen Calderon and Jesse Iglesias.

The consolation paid $1,080.

This Pick 6 produced not one winning post time favorite. Here's a rundown on the winning prices.....


Win Mutuel Betting Choice Rank Favorite's Odds to $1.00

Race 4 $13.80 5th 1.85

Race 5 $7.60 2nd 1.25

Race 6 $16.80 4th 1.30

Race 7 $10.40 2nd 3.55

Race 8 $44.20 5th (of 5) .80

Race 9 $9.80 3rd 2.55


In the first leg, a field of 8 unraced 2 year old fillies, it's quite possible that a number of Pick 6 players simply decided to single Todd's horse, Union Waters, although the public knew before Pick 6 pool closed that she was only the fifth choice in the betting. But this race was certainly no gimmie, the type of race in which anyone investing a large sum would "go deep".

The 6th race outcome at 7-1 certainly reduced the number of live tickets, but the defeat of odds on Slam The Cat by the 21-1 rank outsider in a 5 horse field arguably shoud have "detonated" any remaining live P6 tix. And it did....save for one, or perhaps two verrry astute handicappers.

So here are "the burning questions" about this Pick 6.....

1. Where were two the winning tickets sold? Both at the same outlet?

2. What was the ticket(s) structure used on each winning ticket?

I'm not suggesting that anything illegal happened here, but in a situation like this, where a $44 horse blows away all remaining live Pick 6 tickets on all horses but one, and that horse is the 3rd betting choice AND there are not ONE, but TWO tickets on that horse representing $228,660 of a $297,239 pool, I think the public is entitled to and answer to the two questions posed above. Anyone who invested in that Pick 6 certainly is.

Has anyone read or heard anything about this Pick 6 payoff? Feel free to share here.

Vinman

[Tom Barrister]

While it does seem odd, it's not likely that there was anything wrong.

Parlay on the last four races was $9,460; the Pick 4 paid $14,938.

Parlay on the last three races was $1,126; the Pick 3 paid $2,135.

Parlay on the last two races was $216; the double paid $263.

It certainly doesn't look like the horsemen had anything to do with it.

The other possibility is that somebody past-posted the race. I would imagine that the parimutuel management was alert to the fact that there was $4 worth of action on the same horse. They would have taken a look at the origin and layout of the ticket or tickets. They must have decided that nothing was amiss.

[the little guy]

The two winning tickets were from different locations.

[markgoldie]

While it does seem odd, it's not likely that there was anything wrong.

Parlay on the last four races was $9,460; the Pick 4 paid $14,938.

Parlay on the last three races was $1,126; the Pick 3 paid $2,135.

Parlay on the last two races was $216; the double paid $263.

It certainly doesn't look like the horsemen had anything to do with it.

The other possibility is that somebody past-posted the race. I would imagine that the parimutuel management was alert to the fact that there was $4 worth of action on the same horse. They would have taken a look at the origin and layout of the ticket or tickets. They must have decided that nothing was amiss.
Excellent points. The past-posting possibility under this particular scenario is virtually zero. Had you past posted by entering the wagering system after some number of the races were complete, you most certainly would have never double-ticketed a third choice in the final leg. You would have tried to cover as many possibilities as practical after the point of entry. Past posting after the final leg is over is impossible because the payoffs are known prior to the running of the final leg. A combination of past posting and insider knowledge on the final horse is possible but two things mitigate against this: (1) as you say, where was the other action on this coup animal? and (2) this would be a very non-professional way to handle the situation since (a) no horse is a mortal lock and (b) by playing only one horse for two tickets you beg the authorities to investigate. The final possibility that this was an insider move on the final horse but calculated in such a way as to only put the action through the pick 6 is highly strained logically. The problem is that you are gambling here not on your preferred horse as much as your ability to be "live" into the final leg. Thus, you are depending on the performances of lots of other trainer's horses about which you have little or no inside knowledge. The only way to be rock-solid sure of being alive is a wheel, in this case for two tickets, and even without knowing the field sizes involved, I'm sure this is not financially feasible. At the same time, you would be throwing away the opportunity to make a major score through in-race wagers and shorter horizontals. In sum, it looks like a freak and nothing more.

[parlay]

Horse was a runner and you can key it makes it haveable.
The first leg was the key, and i agree that without any
inside info the race was a spread.
The winner of the last was much the best on paper, i believe
the odds were scued by the holders of the live tickets hedging.