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Jeff P
07-03-2009, 02:24 PM
http://blog.horseplayersassociation.org/2009/07/hollywood-pool-party.html

This week we're taking the pool party to Hollywood Park. Actually, it was a case of them inviting us... and we were only too happy to oblige...

So here's the heads up:

This week's Pool Party race is on Sunday July 5, 2009... HOL R8... The American Oaks.

Look for us to have free pps and more...

And come to the party, it's a very nice race - you just might be glad that you did. <G>


-jp

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DJofSD
07-03-2009, 03:21 PM
10 furlong blade runners -- oh ya!

miesque
07-03-2009, 09:33 PM
Right now on TVG, there is a special The Works covering the contestants of the American Oaks, just started a few minutes ago.

jballscalls
07-03-2009, 11:47 PM
how have the pool parties been doing?? i haven't been able to follow

Cangamble
07-04-2009, 04:18 PM
We've got Thorograph data so far:
http://www.thorograph.com/phorum/read.php?1,53248,53249#msg-53249

cj
07-04-2009, 05:16 PM
If Hollywood ever goes final, I'll post the PaceFigures for the race.

cj
07-04-2009, 05:45 PM
http://www.pacefigures.com/HANA/Hol090705.htm

Cangamble
07-04-2009, 05:46 PM
Got an email from Trackmaster, and the PP's should be ready in an hour.

cj
07-04-2009, 05:53 PM
Send them on and I'll post them at the usual spot.

Cangamble
07-04-2009, 09:03 PM
Send them on and I'll post them at the usual spot.
Thanks CJ, everything is linked on our last blog post now:
http://blog.horseplayersassociation.org/2009/07/hollywood-pool-party.html

csmith
07-04-2009, 09:58 PM
I hope it is OK to post this here. If not will the moderator please remove it.


Race 8 - 10.0 Furlongs; T G1 700000; Post Time is 7:39 Eastern Time
Fair ML Trainer Jockey ES LS
Pgm# Horse Odds Odds Sts Win% Sts Win% Rank Rank QSP RS
14 MRS KIPLING 3.1 6.0 117 15.4 270 9.3 1 2 3 P
13 WELL MONIED 4.6 4.5 58 15.5 800 17.6 3 5 0 S
7 ACTING LADY 7.1 12.0 456 15.6 701 22.1 4 8 1 P
1 GOZZIP GIRL 7.5 3.5 155 25.8 476 19.3 10 4 3 P
10 AFTERNOON STROLL 7.6 30.0 168 14.3 633 10.9 9 1 8 EP
11 THE BEST DAY EVER 10.5 15.0 252 20.6 648 13.0 11 7 0 S
2 MAGICAL AFFAIR 10.7 6.0 174 17.2 719 20.6 12 3 1 P
15 DAYLUMNEY 11.7 30.0 89 11.2 407 18.9 2 10 5 P
3 THIRD DAWN 12.0 20.0 300 19.7 532 22.2 5 9 2 EP
12 LEXLENOS 16.7 30.0 161 13.0 431 15.5 6 6 3 S
8 PRETTY UNUSUAL 17.0 50.0 154 9.1 589 14.8 7 11 0 S
4 APPLE CHARLOTTE N/A 4.0 ** Data Unavailable **
9 NAN 100.5 20.0 115 16.5 262 9.5 8 12 1 S
6 PUTTANESCA N/A 15.0 ** Data Unavailable **
16 WAKE ME NOW N/A 30.0 ** Data Unavailable **
5 RARE RANSOM N/A 12.0 ** Data Unavailable **

miesque
07-05-2009, 01:29 AM
The following is a summary of my throughts so far regarding the 2009 American Oaks:


The 2009 edition of the American Oaks has shaped up to be a fantastic betting race with a plethora of potential angles to follow. However, I think the best starting point for any analysis of this race is with the two SoCal fillies which have the markings of potential future turf star fillies, Well Monied and Mrs. Kipling (and both have the far outside posts to contend with). The two have yet to meet, with Mrs. Kipling having a slight experience edge with one more lifetime start and an early schooling in Europe including a third place in the Group 3 Wilmott Dixon Cornwallis over 5 furlongs at Ascot at 2 and her dominating win in the Senorita showed her affinity for the Hollywood turf as well as a level of professionalism and talent. In addition, she had a sharp 6 furlong sharp work coming into this race and I caught some footage of her schooling in the paddock during racing this afternoon at Hollywood Park and she looked simply fantastic. On the negative side, Mrs. Kipling is coming off the second longest layoff in the field (63 days) and along with Rare Ransom and Afternoon Stroll, has yet to race over a mile. Well Monied has been brought into this race through a steady rise through the ranks coming off three consecutive wins and has done so well within herself and having kept a close eye on her progress since her maiden win, this is the filly which I expect to rise to the increased level of competition and beyond. Then there are the international invaders, including the only two fillies who have gone this far, Puttanesca, who won the Group 2 New Zealand Royal Bloodstock and was third is the Group 3 Cambridge Stud in New Zealand , and Apple Charlotte, who won the Sweetham Stud Fillies Trial and was second in the Ballymacoll Stud Lord Weinstock Memorial. I have a problem betting a New Zealand horse coming from their winter into the hot summers of SoCal and those who have eventually become successful in SoCal usually seem to need some significant time to acclimate so I will in all likelihood toss Puttanesca, even though she is technically a four year old and has been successful over the distance. Apple Charlotte and Rare Ransom are the two fillies representing Europe and appear to have made the trip in good order and have also made good accounts of themselves out in the mornings at Hollywood Park and it goes without saying that both have exceptional trainers who know how to ship to the US. The morning line favorite, Gozzip Girl, has shown versatility in her races having won on the lead last out over a yielding Belmont turf course with little pace to rallying from behind on a fast and firm Gulfstream turf course, and the additional distance should be no problem

Donnie
07-05-2009, 12:22 PM
how have the pool parties been doing?? i haven't been able to follow

Likewise...would be nice to see the results and the impact we have made on the pools, all in one table.

Just wondering if we have gone off "message"....I was under the assumption the Pool Parties were a way to let track management know we were out here. I wonder how much we will move the needle on the handle of what appears to be the biggest race running today. Granted, maybe this approach has been discussed already. If so, a thousand pardons.

What metrics are we using to identify what impact HANA has on the parimutuel pools? (especially in today's case)

DJofSD
07-05-2009, 12:26 PM
FWIW, I'll play the race today, bringing me out of my handicapping vacation.

I typically will wager in the win pool with perhaps some small exactas. If all bets in support of the HANA pool party were made into the same pool, whatever that pool might be, perhaps you might get some statistical indication. But other than that, the only other way to tell would be for every one to use the same ADW and have some "inside" help to track/analize the action.

DeanT
07-05-2009, 12:41 PM
Likewise...would be nice to see the results and the impact we have made on the pools, all in one table.

Just wondering if we have gone off "message"....I was under the assumption the Pool Parties were a way to let track management know we were out here. I wonder how much we will move the needle on the handle of what appears to be the biggest race running today. Granted, maybe this approach has been discussed already. If so, a thousand pardons.

What metrics are we using to identify what impact HANA has on the parimutuel pools? (especially in today's case)

Hi D,

It has been a bit hard to do with the big pools. Those are all estimates.

I kept track on the blog of the small pools. $20-25K seems to be the norm, but that seems to change. We have had piles of scattering data. This week will be another which is hard to gauge, but next week the plan is to blitz a smaller track, possibly mid week to see what we can do. Suggestions are being bandied about on the handletalks thread.

DJofSD
07-05-2009, 12:44 PM
Thanks, Dean.

I guess HANA doesn't qualify for whale status yet. :)

miesque
07-05-2009, 12:49 PM
Just to follow up on Dean's comments, we are going to shift direction next week and after that I think it will be a good point for us to review the Pool Party history and analyze the variances and also preferences of the many participants in the Pool Party each week. It may not appear evident on the surface, but there has been a bit of trial and error going on throughout the entire process and as we progress we learn a little more. As previously mentioned, those who are interested in getting more actively involved in the Pool Parties from an input/commentary/race chit chat perspective should join the handletalks group.

Donnie
07-05-2009, 12:58 PM
Thanks Dean and Misque...appreciate the quick responses. Playing the Oaks, and a few others @ HOL that came up on my spot play list!
BOL to all!

Cangamble
07-05-2009, 01:03 PM
Hollywood begged us this week and we couldn't say no to their grovelling:)
But we should be picking a few more members because of this and it will give us momentum going into the near future where we can actually figure out our impact.

The whole idea is to have impact, but we need the numbers (membership) and support from those members before we can have substantial impact.

DeanT
07-05-2009, 01:12 PM
Just a few quick scattered thoughts about the Pool Parties:

WRD was a success. It was a stand-alone race later in the day. We got some play in the media. . Mid week race. Medium ADW availablilty. Some people emailed and wanted it earlier in the day next time while at teletheaters.

TAM Pick 3 was well received $15K. Mid week. Good ADW coverage.

HAW was the first weekend try. It was a great betting race. Available on all adw's. Hard to say what we did, but I would think 30-40k perhaps.

PRM was tough. Saturday night and everyone might have been tapped out. The signal was that small tracks should be looked at Mid week and not weekends.

CBY was tough. No ADW availabilty and an off the turf weekend race.

MTH came good, but again hard to measure.

Gains:

1) More and more tracks are aware and have been asking us to go to their venue. This is self serving for them of course, however looking at the bigger picture this has to grow, so to grow we need their help as well. It is doubly self serving, which is fine. track mgmt is completely aware of who we are and what we want.

2) ADW's are being made aware. We have been mentioned on TVG, TS has contacted us and Capital OTB run our ads.

3) The HRF ad network is running pool party ads for free. Thanks Dana.

4) Track promo depts, like at PRM and this week at HOL are working the promo along with us.

5) Equidaily and Paulick run pool party links. The average hits on our blog for Pool party days are about 500. The website gets about 1000 hits with the promo.

6) Recruitment: People ask about recruitment all the time, sometime being critical. The Pool parties recruit for us. By an estimate, about 400 members who have signed up have signed up because of the pool parties, or hearing about us from the pool parties. The synergy for recruitment has been very positive and this is done solely by the free media we get. The pool parties get us free media. This is SEO-PR 101 and we use SEO PR at HANA as we do not have an advertising budget. To get mentions on the AP wire and other major trade and non-trade media you need a story and the pool parties supply us with an avenue to make a story.

It has been said from day one that this will take a year and then we will know what if any impact this will have long term in the goal of getting horseplayers invited to the table. We are not looking at week to week things, other than to look at metrics on where to go. We are 100% concentrating on its long term growth and what it can do for horseplayers.

As for future pool parties, it is being discussed. From my perspective and looking at the metrics I believe the best measure for handle will come from a smaller track, mid week, early in the day - say race 4 or 5.

That's my 2 cents.

miesque
07-05-2009, 01:44 PM
Also another point that bears mentioning is that there is a spillover effect to the multi-race wagers that include the Pool Party race in question as there are many like myself who will also play the Pick 4 as well as perhaps other individual races in that Pick 4 if I think there is adequate profit potential. Now this is a good thing, but it does cloud the picture from an analysis perspective.

Cangamble
07-05-2009, 07:50 PM
I just put through $127 on the race, plus I bet another $500 on this card. I wouldn't have played it at all if not for the Pool Party.

:2::7: with :3::14::12:

Oh, and I have horrible luck in these things of late.

DeanT
07-05-2009, 07:52 PM
I have no idea what to bet here. I will either bet what Theresia bets, or the two horse.

andymays
07-05-2009, 08:05 PM
Gozzip Girl has tactical speed and a great post. Out of the chute it's one big turn the first part! I'm worried about the one from New Zeland. Bet the #1 Gozzip Girl to win and exacta box with #6 Puttanesca (NZ).

DeanT
07-05-2009, 08:09 PM
You and Theresia are like two peas in a pod.

I am trying to build up a bankroll for the race, so I bet a sure shot in race 7, the 11 horse.

andymays
07-05-2009, 08:11 PM
#10 goes wire to wire in the 7th. Box with the #3.

andymays
07-05-2009, 08:14 PM
#10 goes wire to wire in the 7th. Box with the #3.


Besides being the speed of the race if you look closely he was not entered to be claimed. That a fairly new rule in California and he fit the conditions.

DeanT
07-05-2009, 08:19 PM
Nice job Andy! I think my horse would have hit the board if the race was one of those 50 yard ones they run in Turkey.

I have to take a pick 4 I think, but I have not hit four winners all day, so my chances are slim.

andymays
07-05-2009, 08:22 PM
Nice job Andy! I think my horse would have hit the board if the race was one of those 50 yard ones they run in Turkey.

I have to take a pick 4 I think, but I have not hit four winners all day, so my chances are slim.

That fairly new claiming rule where a Horse off a layoff can be entered not to be claimed under certain conditions is something to watch for. The #10 looked to be the only speed also. That bomb that came up to him scared the hell out of me.

miesque
07-05-2009, 08:35 PM
$1 Exacta Box
#1 Gozzip Girl
#4 Apple Charlotte
#5 Rare Ransom
#13 Well Monied
#14 Mrs. Kipling

$1 Trifecta Box
#1 Gozzip Girl
#4 Apple Charlotte
#5 Rare Ransom
#13 Well Monied
#14 Mrs. Kipling

$1 Superfecta Box
#4 Apple Charlotte
#5 Rare Ransom
#13 Well Monied
#14 Mrs. Kipling

Subtotal Wagers = $104


$1 Pick 4 - $54

#4 Apple Charlotte/#13 Well Monied/#14 Mrs. Kipling

#2 Phantom Wildcat/#9 SS Stone/#10 Soda Pop Kid

#1 Street Magician/#5 Rebellion/#6 Noble Court

#8 Bouncer/#12 Faber

Total Wagers = $158


Good Luck Everybody!

DeanT
07-05-2009, 08:39 PM
I boxed up 124710. I was going to take an all-all box but dont have enough money. Wow what a race. So many possibles here.

andymays
07-05-2009, 08:41 PM
Pick 4

8th :1: :6:
9th :9: :10:
10th :5: :9:
11th :1: :8: :12: :13:

InsideThePylons-MW
07-05-2009, 08:47 PM
$1 supers

1231113/1231113/123781011121314

45/123451113/123451113/12345781011121314

miesque
07-05-2009, 08:51 PM
Very nice win by Gozzip Girl! Well Monied was way wide around that turn.

DeanT
07-05-2009, 08:52 PM
Nice job throwin the 12 in there ITP. Glad I used 7 horses in the pick 4 :bang:

My flat bet didnt do much better. Man did the two ever get screwed.

miesque
07-05-2009, 09:01 PM
That exacta wasn't much was it. :D Good job, ITP including the :12: on the bottom, I would have had to hit all to get her there.

The good news is the Triple Bend is a nice betting race and I felt a bit more sure about that race then American Oaks its not over yet :cool:

jonnielu
07-05-2009, 09:02 PM
Nice job throwin the 12 in there ITP. Glad I used 7 horses in the pick 4 :bang:

My flat bet didnt do much better. Man did the two ever get screwed.

What an absolute grabbag of a race, only 9 contenders.

jdl

InsideThePylons-MW
07-05-2009, 09:05 PM
Nice job throwin the 12 in there ITP. Glad I used 7 horses in the pick 4 :bang:

My flat bet didnt do much better. Man did the two ever get screwed.

2 was very very unlucky, but not unlucky enough ;) ....she beat 10 and 7 an inch for 4th

andymays
07-05-2009, 09:08 PM
The reason Gozzip Girl got hammered so much was that most people thought that in addition to her ability she had a tactical advantage with her tactical speed and post position. I know I was dissapointed in her early position but nearing the 3/8 you could see she was the one to beat.

The 2 was very unlucky!

DeanT
07-05-2009, 09:25 PM
2 was very very unlucky, but not unlucky enough ;) ....she beat 10 and 7 an inch for 4th

I bet and played all three of those horses and they all raced ok. I keep telling myself small victories like having bombers race ok is a good thing, but as my bankroll goes down today I am having trouble convincing myself.

Ya, total downer the ten was not fourth for ya. Would have been huge.

DeanT
07-05-2009, 10:00 PM
HANA race of the week should be at Hollywood every week. There was a half nekkid chick in the winners circle for the Baffert win. I think she was wearing hot pants, but maybe not since I think those were outlawed the year Starsky got a new car.

jonnielu
07-05-2009, 10:51 PM
The reason Gozzip Girl got hammered so much was that most people thought that in addition to her ability she had a tactical advantage with her tactical speed and post position. I know I was dissapointed in her early position but nearing the 3/8 you could see she was the one to beat.

The 2 was very unlucky!

Gozzip Girl got hammered because I put it out on Twitter.

jdl

andymays
07-05-2009, 10:53 PM
Gozzip Girl got hammered because I put it out on Twitter.

jdl


You know, in the back of my mind, way in the back of my mind, I always knew it had to be jonnielu!