ZENYATTA RACECALL

[v j stauffer]

Thinking about what to say if she wins.

I'm considering this call.

" Another step on the road to immortality"

Here's the question.

Can a horse be immortal?

[CBedo]

not sure about immortal, although maybe her feats could be (like "in the immortal words of my grandfather)?

How about legendary instead of immortal?

(and thanks again for the passes. Looking forward to meeting you tomorrow.)

[Imriledup]

Phil Jackson=Zen Master=10 titles
ZenYatta=the real zen master=11 titles?


You could also sneak in a reference from a zenyatta Mondatta song

[rastajenk]

How 'bout: "De do do do de da da da
Is all I have to say to you"

:blush:

[JBmadera]

sure - immortality can mean enduring fame.....and she sure is well on her way!

jb

[Joey D]

How about..

"Perpetual perfection in motion"

[the little guy]

Is there any sane person who isn't betting against her now?

[andymays]

Another perfect stride on the road to immortality!

[andymays]

From Bruno De Julio at www.racingwithbruno.com and www.todaysracingdigest.com

ZENYATTA 06/19 Hol/ft 6f 112.3h
Was three behind Alice and later joined by Puff Maddie. She ranged
outside of Puff Maddie in the stretch and went in 36.4, 59.4 and 112.1.
Beautiful drill, as she was poetry in motion. Actually saw her gallop on
Thursday, June 25, and she was awesome in presence and style. She
was a bit keen early, but relaxed after a half mile and galloped the last
mine and 1/4 under a stout hold and well within herself.

[statepierback]

Can a horse be immortal? Beats me! Adding [horse + immortal = Pegasus] according to my math. Humans 500 years from now will know about Pegasus, I doubt Zenyatta would be the in the discussion. Then there is the matter of the wings, that is an unfair advance.
As for he call, maybe " Pegasus you may have a new stablemate in the immortality stable, big sister wants to move in"
Play with it. :jump:
You can throw the wings in that someway but Trevor might call an inquiry. :blush:

[Sid]

"Immortal" isn't just cliched, it's too religious. We know Sky Masterson wasn't courting Sister Sarah Brown for her (or his) immortality. Besides, down the line some copy editor -- like the one at the Cleveland Plain Dealer who headlined the passing of our greatest third baseman by writing: "Immortal Pie Traynor Dies" -- will mess it up.

Louis Armstrong loved to use the letter "z" in his scat vocals. For me, the perfect call would be to patch in two bars of Satchmo -- "zut zut zee zat zee zo" -- two jumps before the wire, then simply say, resoundingly: "Zenyatta." But that's probably a tad too stylistic.

None of that is very useful. I imagine calling undefeated heroes and heroines is one of the toughest gigs, especially when the present race is indeed a stepping stone. "Presently perfect" comes to mind, but that's no doubt too cute, too obscure, and too suggestive that at some future point she will no longer be perfect.

I don't know. Tough job you have. Good luck.

[statepierback]

Of real horses, the closest one to immortality is Man o War. History books do and should include his name.

[eastie]

The song remains the same........undefeated and untied....with a spot remaining on her dance card for Rachel Alexandra, the outstanding filly ...Zenyatta

[rokitman]

How about this...

Another step beyond my limited vocabulary.

[KidCapper]

ZENYATTA... SMOKING LIKE A CIGAR!!!!

[andymays]

Hopefully Allicansayis Wow runs second. After mentioning Zenyatta and whatever you add then "Allicansayis Wow"!

[jognlope]

where the heck and when is she running? Today? I'm not going through every equibase track

[Rocklane]

where the heck and when is she running? Today? I'm not going through every equibase track

Hollywood Park: Race #4, Vanity Handicap. 2:35 PST.

V J Stauffer is Holywood Park's P.A. announcer.

[Joey D]

where the heck and when is she running? Today? I'm not going through every equibase track


4th at Hollywood-Vanity Hcp

[Peter Berry]

Thinking about what to say if she wins.

I'm considering this call.

" Another step on the road to immortality"

Here's the question.

Can a horse be immortal?

Bill Collins, 1986 Cox Plate: "And Bonecrusher races into equine immortality."

That call also has become immortal.

[rastajenk]

I thought she was kidding. It's not as if the big Z is logging frequent flyer miles.

[Imriledup]

As great as Big Z is, i feel a bit guilty at calling her immortal. Lets face it, she had her shot to race the boys last year in the BC Classic and passed. She has her shot again to race males at some point (and get weight instead of giving it) and is passing. The males in California stink, she would be a heavy favorite vs those and win. The Hol GC is up her alley at a mile and a quarter and she would be getting a 5 lbs, no excuse to keep beating creampuffs, lets take on some real competition if you want to stick the immortal tag on her.

[Grits]

As great as Big Z is, i feel a bit guilty at calling her immortal. Lets face it, she had her shot to race the boys last year in the BC Classic and passed. She has her shot again to race males at some point (and get weight instead of giving it) and is passing. The males in California stink, she would be a heavy favorite vs those and win. The Hol GC is up her alley at a mile and a quarter and she would be getting a 5 lbs, no excuse to keep beating creampuffs, lets take on some real competition if you want to stick the immortal tag on her.

Creampuffs? IMR this is kind. LOL

I believe CJ's term a couple of days ago was tomato cans.
And when read, I howled with laughter.
:lol:

[MickJ26]

In terms of winning margin, this was Zenyatta's worst race last year. She'll be carrying a Dr. Fager-like 129 lbs. Call me crazy, but, I'll be taking a stand against with Allicansayis Wow. She'll get first run on the leaders and Mr. Snake Venom has pulled off some shockers before. Allicansayis Wow is sitting on a big race. I'm not going to risk my life savings, just $20. win/place.
That's my two cents worth.

[GlenninOhio]

In terms of winning margin, this was Zenyatta's worst race last year. She'll be carrying a Dr. Fager-like 129 lbs. Call me crazy, but, I'll be taking a stand against with Allicansayis Wow. She'll get first run on the leaders and Mr. Snake Venom has pulled off some shockers before. Allicansayis Wow is sitting on a big race. I'm not going to risk my life savings, just $20. win/place.
That's my two cents worth.

Biancone's specialty has always been the shipper from Europe who was ok over there and became a monster over here usually after a race or two - Gorella, Lady of Venice, and a filly whose name now escapes me who won the Beverly D.

Running against weak opposition is viewed as the "safe" choice, but it has one huge downside. Should you somehow manage to get yourself beat without a legitimate excuse, your reputation and standing can get blown to bits. Like if Big Brown had lost that turf race they created especially for him last year.

Not much chance of this happening today, but the impact could be devastating.

[joanied]

where the heck and when is she running? Today? I'm not going through every equibase track

Oh Jog...you have not been paying:eek: attention...shame, shame, shame:lol:

just in case...HRTV has both races...Z and RA (the Mother Goose had 2 scrathces...it's a 3 horse race now:faint: )

[joanied]

Creampuffs? IMR this is kind. LOL

I believe CJ's term a couple of days ago was tomato cans.
And when read, I howled with laughter.
:lol:

me too...where does cj come up with this stuff...I thought that was hilarious:D

[v j stauffer]

Phil Jackson=Zen Master=10 titles
ZenYatta=the real zen master=11 titles?


You could also sneak in a reference from a zenyatta Mondatta song

OMG that's a freaky one. Swear to god when I was driving home from the barns this morning I came up with....

"Here's the real Zen master and she's won 11"

Great work Riles. That's what it's gonna be.

Of course I'd much rather go with " Modification springs a shocker"

Enjoy the big mare guys and gals.

Thanks for the great input.

V

[joanied]

Hopefully Allicansayis Wow runs second. After mentioning Zenyatta and whatever you add then "Allicansayis Wow"!


I think you nailed it....I have Allicansayiswow for the place:ThmbUp:

Wish I could think of a good call...they shoulda flew Durkin out for this one!!!

If she as going for win #10...he could say she's now a 'perfect Zen' :)

How about... " Zenyatta...simply Zensational"

[andymays]

I think you nailed it....I have Allicansayiswow for the place:ThmbUp:

Wish I could think of a good call...they shoulda flew Durkin out for this one!!!

If she as going for win #10...he could say she's now a 'perfect Zen' :)

How about... " Zenyatta...simply Zensational"


Good Joanie :ThmbUp:

[v j stauffer]

I think you nailed it....I have Allicansayiswow for the place:ThmbUp:

Wish I could think of a good call...they shoulda flew Durkin out for this one!!!

If she as going for win #10...he could say she's now a 'perfect Zen' :)

How about... " Zenyatta...simply Zensational"

Good idea about Durkin flying out. Fortunately for me he has to call a pretty good filly today as well.

Sorry. You're stuck with me.

[Immanuel Kant]

Paging Mr. Mush...Mr. Mush, please contact the courtesy desk!

[joanied]

Good idea about Durkin flying out. Fortunately for me he has to call a pretty good filly today as well.

Sorry. You're stuck with me.

Oh...no,no,no...I was making a joke...shoulda threw in the litle laughing guy:D ...forgive me :bang:

I'm certain you'll be...Zensational :ThmbUp: :ThmbUp: :ThmbUp:

[joanied]

Good Joanie :ThmbUp:

Thanks, andymays:)

[Greyfox]

"One small step for horse, one giant step for horsekind.":rolleyes:

[Tom]

"Poly-Anna" does it again! :rolleyes: (KIDDING)

[CincyHorseplayer]

Zenyatta the plastic icon!!!:)

[jognlope]

Thanks a bunch, eagerly await and at Belmont with Rachel, down to 3 horses or something.

[JeremyJet]

Thinking about what to say if she wins.

I'm considering this call.

" Another step on the road to immortality"

Here's the question.

Can a horse be immortal?

I'd like to know what your call would be like if she didn't win.

Regards,

JeremyJet

[Hajck Hillstrom]

Wish I could think of a good call...they shoulda flew Durkin out for this one!!!I thought this line might ruffle some feathers.

Completely different take with a couple of :lol: :lol:'s at the end. :D

[ezrabrooks]

Is there any sane person who isn't betting against her now?

Spoken like a true New Yorker..

Ez

[ezrabrooks]

Great call Vic... Thanks for giving us a 'heads up'..

Ez

[Hajck Hillstrom]

OMG that's a freaky one. Swear to god when I was driving home from the barns this morning I came up with....

"Here's the real Zen master and she's won 11"

Great work Riles. That's what it's gonna be.True to your word .... nice call.

Thanks for engaging here. Made the call even more interesting. :ThmbUp:

[Hajck Hillstrom]

Spoken like a true New Yorker..Took the words right out of my mouth. :lol:

[Tom]

Now this is classy.....the track announcer gets ideas from racing fans, and the winners take a couple of sign wavers with them to the winner's circle.:ThmbUp:

[Grits]

She is one serious something to see!!! WOW, even with 129lbs.

But too, so was RachaelA, setting a track record a little while ago.

A true joy to watch both.

And a wonderful gesture on the part of the Mr and Mrs Moss, inviting fans to join them in the winners' circle--who made, and held posters high, for their great mare.

[cmoore]

Another impressive race by ZENYATTA...A rather easy and controling pace up front and she reels them in again..WOW!!!! A Mile 1/8ths looks to be her best distance..Oh, I forgot..She also carried 129 pounds..How can you not have a smile on your face after watching that..:):):)

[DanG]

A true joy to watch both.

That says it all.

[GMB@BP]

She is one serious something to see!!! WOW, even with 129lbs.

But too, so was RachaelA, setting a track record a little while ago.

A true joy to watch both.

And a wonderful gesture on the part of the Mr and Mrs Moss, inviting fans to join them in the winners' circle--who made, and held posters high, for their great mare.

wow she beat Secretariats track record.....kudos to RA!!!

[GMB@BP]

Another impressive race by ZENYATTA...A rather easy and controling pace up front and she reels them in again..WOW!!!! A Mile 1/8ths looks to be her best distance..Oh, I forgot..She also carried 129 pounds..How can you not have a smile on your face after watching that..:):):)

for whatever the reason, thats two years in a row in the Vanity that Zenyatta has not looked all that good.

[ezrabrooks]

for whatever the reason, thats two years in a row in the Vanity that Zenyatta has not looked all that good.

Yeah...6 for 6..then 11 for 11. I wish I could "not look all that good"


Ez

[Cratos]

wow she beat Secretariats track record.....kudos to RA!!!

Rachel was awfully impressive in her win, but she did not beat Big Red's 1 1/8 mile record at Belmont. Big Red did the 1 1/8 mile in winning the 1973 Marlboro Cup in 1:45.4 seconds. Rachel got the distance today in 146.2 seconds.

A very powerful performance and a stakes record, but not a track record.

[GMB@BP]

Rachel was awfully impressive in her win, but she did not beat Big Red's 1 1/8 mile record at Belmont. Big Red did the 1 1/8 mile in winning the 1973 Marlboro Cup in 1:45.4 seconds. Rachel got the distance today in 146.2 seconds.

A very powerful performance and a stakes record, but not a track record.

you dont think I know that...really

[ezrabrooks]

you dont think I know that...really


Now that is a puzzler..

Ez

[cmoore]

Rachel was awfully impressive in her win, but she did not beat Big Red's 1 1/8 mile record at Belmont. Big Red did the 1 1/8 mile in winning the 1973 Marlboro Cup in 1:45.4 seconds. Rachel got the distance today in 146.2 seconds.

A very powerful performance and a stakes record, but not a track record.
Do you think she breaks that record if Calvin would of ridden her out to the line???

[joanied]

I was yellin' so loud that I never even heard Vic's call :D ...had to replay it...but my,my,my...that mare Is zensational...

I am still reeling from both races...I'm breathless. How can anyone find the right words to describe what we all were witness to...maybe it's just me, but I can't find the :faint: words...I'm just so grateful that these two horses came around in my lifetime...
:jump: WOW!!

[cmoore]

I was yellin' so loud that I never even heard Vic's call :D ...had to replay it...but my,my,my...that mare Is zensational...

I am still reeling from both races...I'm breathless. How can anyone find the right words to describe what we all were witness to...maybe it's just me, but I can't find the :faint: words...I'm just so grateful that these two horses came around in my lifetime...
:jump: WOW!!

I agree :1::1::1:% Joanied..

[KirisClown]

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[andymays]

Vic, don't you have a race to call in 11 minutes (7th race)? I see you're logged in the Forum. Got the Laptop up in the box?

You've got it made.

Good Call for Zenyatta!

[Cratos]

Do you think she breaks that record if Calvin would of ridden her out to the line???

I am hesitant to say that, but I do believe it would have been 1:45 and change.

[Grits]

Rachel was awfully impressive in her win, but she did not beat Big Red's 1 1/8 mile record at Belmont. Big Red did the 1 1/8 mile in winning the 1973 Marlboro Cup in 1:45.4 seconds. Rachel got the distance today in 146.2 seconds.

A very powerful performance and a stakes record, but not a track record.

Thank you for the correction. The last 16th Calvin pushed, zip. He let her gear down. And that's a good thing.

And Vic, your call was outstanding!!;)

[MickJ26]

I was wrong again.
I keep looking for ways to bet against Zenyatta.
She was too good for this bunch.
What's next, something at Del Mar?

[joanied]

Vic, don't you have a race to call in 11 minutes (7th race)? I see you're logged in the Forum. Got the Laptop up in the box?

You've got it made.

Good Call for Zenyatta!

Agreed :ThmbUp: ...got it made :) great Zenyatta call :ThmbUp:

Between Rachel and Zen..."I'm having a very good day"
:jump:

[PaceAdvantage]

Do you think she breaks that record if Calvin would of ridden her out to the line???No.

[Bobzilla]

Entertaining race call, one that Zen Master Phil Jackson would surely appreciate. ;) I hope it's on Sports Center tonight.

[rastajenk]

A big thanks to Vic for including us in his preparations, if it hasn't been said before. :ThmbUp:

[Imriledup]

What an incredible tour de force on both coasts. Wow. Breathtaking. This is amazing for racing, even if they don't ever meet in a horserace.

[GMB@BP]

What an incredible tour de force on both coasts. Wow. Breathtaking. This is amazing for racing, even if they don't ever meet in a horserace.

If Calvin pushers her she kills Secretartiets record....heck if she was in the Belmont it would have been 223.

[Imriledup]

If Calvin pushers her she kills Secretartiets record....heck if she was in the Belmont it would have been 223.

She's a super freak.

[Cratos]

No.

I agree with you, but I was somewhat hesitant initially about that question because looking at the replay it seemed plausible that Rachel would have done that if Borel had pushed her.

However the facts of the race dispute what I thought I had seen. Rachel covered the last 1/8 mile in 12.73 seconds and for her to had broken Secretariat’s record she would have needed a last eighth mile in 11.79 seconds which would have come after her covering the mile in 1:33.60.

[eastie]

you dont think I know that...really

well after saying that Zenyatta didn't look all that good winning the Vanity, it really can not be assumed that you know anything about horseracing at all. Which race were you watching anyway. Zenyatta was AWESOME. And you have to beat the best if you want to be the best. Until Rachel beats the champ, the champ is still the champ. Zenyatta has run by everyone who has ever been in front of her.

[rokitman]

She's a super freak.
She's super freaky.

[FenceBored]

She's super freaky.

The kind you don't take home to Mother? :confused:

[GMB@BP]

well after saying that Zenyatta didn't look all that good winning the Vanity, it really can not be assumed that you know anything about horseracing at all. Which race were you watching anyway. Zenyatta was AWESOME. And you have to beat the best if you want to be the best. Until Rachel beats the champ, the champ is still the champ. Zenyatta has run by everyone who has ever been in front of her.

you really dont know how funny this is....you cant, and its not your fault....i bet you made Kiris and the little guy laugh though.

[joanied]

No.

Yes:)

[joanied]

She's a super freak.

:ThmbUp: :ThmbUp: :ThmbUp:
This is a tiny bit embarrassing:blush: ...but I was on my feet watching the race (on TVG) and started jumping up & down when Calvin split fillies...by time they got to the 1/8th pole, my legs got weak and I found myself kneeling on the floor...tears, goosebumps and that silly laugh you seem to get when you are so filled with awe and joy, you just can't help yourself.

She and Zenyatta are both one's for the ages :jump:

[Hajck Hillstrom]

for whatever the reason, thats two years in a row in the Vanity that Zenyatta has not looked all that good.Beauty is truly in the eye of the beholder, but I am curious as to what is the logic supporting your statement? Zenyatta raced wide throughout, carrying 129 lbs., and won going away. What wasn't impressive? I respect your perspective, and am really curious what does a horse have to do to "look good?"

[joanied]

Beauty is truly in the eye of the beholder, but I am curious as to what is the logic supporting your statement? Zenyatta raced wide throughout, carrying 129 lbs., and won going away. What wasn't impressive? I respect your perspective, and am really curious what does a horse have to do to "look good?"

me too...how in hell does Zenyatta not look good winning under 129 lbs., with her ears up...simply enjoying herself.
:confused: I don't get it.

[GMB@BP]

Beauty is truly in the eye of the beholder, but I am curious as to what is the logic supporting your statement? Zenyatta raced wide throughout, carrying 129 lbs., and won going away. What wasn't impressive? I respect your perspective, and am really curious what does a horse have to do to "look good?"

If you watch the last race and watch this one you will notice that her rider never moves at the 3/8ths pole and she begins picking up horses very easily, in this race not only was she being asked but just past the quarter pole her rider actually goes to the stick...now when she leveled off she took command against inferior opponents but IMO she looked much better in the Milady then the Vanity, and last year was eerily similar. I don't put much stock into it cause as I said it was the same thing last year.

[Hajck Hillstrom]

IMO she looked much better in the Milady then the Vanity, and last year was eerily similar. Fair play.

So what you are actually saying is that she has looked better, and that is certainly true, but with the impost in the `09 Vanity, I found her performance an impressive one.

[eastie]

you really dont know how funny this is....you cant, and its not your fault....i bet you made Kiris and the little guy laugh though.

maybe you can explain it to me , it is probably the only thing YOU could explain to me.

[Cadillakin]

If you watch the last race and watch this one you will notice that her rider never moves at the 3/8ths pole and she begins picking up horses very easily, in this race not only was she being asked but just past the quarter pole her rider actually goes to the stick...
What is occurring is this; The pace was backed up to the half, with the pacesetter setting 24 second quarter miles in both the first two segments. In the next quarter mile segment, the pacesetter went in 23.1... There is no gaining on a pacemaker in a route that is moving at that pace.. Even the great Secretariat in his dominant Kentucky Derby win never went faster than 23.1 in any quarter mile segment...

Around that turn, the pacemaker was stealing away with her superior speed.. But she had already put in that 23.1 quarter - so it was just a matter of time before she came back. As you probably know, a horse can only travel at their best speed for about 3/8ths.. Briecat did indeed come back approaching the furlong grounds.

In essence, Zenyatta's great move from the 3/8ths to the 1/8th pole which she sometimes accomplishes in 22.3 was nullified by the false pace. She was moving quite fast, but so were the others in front of her.. It was not till the last 1/8th that her class prevailed and she overcame the pace and circumstances with her high weight.

Zenyatta would have been beaten at a mile by Briecat under those weight and pace conditions... Rachel would have beat her too under those same circumstances... but if Rachel would have had to run to a faster pace and taken on Briecat, who knows what might have happened? None of us do.

On the other hand, I don't think there is any doubt Zenyatta would have slaughtered those same fillies in the Mother Goose under that pace setup.. and it's also likely that she would have run right by Rachel in the Preakness if she were allowed to run in that restricted race. My thinking is; If MTB got that close, Zenyatta would have blown right by...

They're all beatable.. Even Secretariat, generally considered the best horse of the modern era lost 5 races in his 21 starts..

So, I don't think criticizing a horse for winning while giving a ton of weight and overcoming a non-existent pace is quite fair... From my point of view, she overcame very adverse circumstances and still prevailed fairly easily in that last 1/16th..

[tucker6]

What is occurring is this; The pace was backed up to the half, with the pacesetter setting 24 second quarter miles in both the first two segments. In the next quarter mile segment, the pacesetter went in 23.1... There is no gaining on a pacemaker in a route that is moving at that pace.. Even the great Secretariat in his dominant Kentucky Derby win never went faster than 23.1 in any quarter mile segment...

Around that turn, the pacemaker was stealing away with her superior speed.. But she had already put in that 23.1 quarter - so it was just a matter of time before she came back. As you probably know, a horse can only travel at their best speed for about 3/8ths.. Briecat did indeed come back approaching the furlong grounds.

In essence, Zenyatta's great move from the 3/8ths to the 1/8th pole which she sometimes accomplishes in 22.3 was nullified by the false pace. She was moving quite fast, but so were the others in front of her.. It was not till the last 1/8th that her class prevailed and she overcame the pace and circumstances with her high weight.

Zenyatta would have been beaten at a mile by Briecat under those weight and pace conditions... Rachel would have beat her too under those same circumstances... but if Rachel would have had to run to a faster pace and taken on Briecat, who knows what might have happened? None of us do.

On the other hand, I don't think there is any doubt Zenyatta would have slaughtered those same fillies in the Mother Goose under that pace setup.. and it's also likely that she would have run right by Rachel in the Preakness if she were allowed to run in that restricted race. My thinking is; If MTB got that close, Zenyatta would have blown right by...

They're all beatable.. Even Secretariat, generally considered the best horse of the modern era lost 5 races in his 21 starts..

So, I don't think criticizing a horse for winning while giving a ton of weight and overcoming a non-existent pace is quite fair... From my point of view, she overcame very adverse circumstances and still prevailed fairly easily in that last 1/16th..
nice post, but you are factually incorrect on one point. Secretariat's quarter mile fractions in the KD were:
0:25 1/5
0:24
0:23 4/5
0:23 2/5
0:23

So, he did do better than 23.1, but I understand your point.

[GMB@BP]

What is occurring is this; The pace was backed up to the half, with the pacesetter setting 24 second quarter miles in both the first two segments. In the next quarter mile segment, the pacesetter went in 23.1... There is no gaining on a pacemaker in a route that is moving at that pace.. Even the great Secretariat in his dominant Kentucky Derby win never went faster than 23.1 in any quarter mile segment...

Around that turn, the pacemaker was stealing away with her superior speed.. But she had already put in that 23.1 quarter - so it was just a matter of time before she came back. As you probably know, a horse can only travel at their best speed for about 3/8ths.. Briecat did indeed come back approaching the furlong grounds.

In essence, Zenyatta's great move from the 3/8ths to the 1/8th pole which she sometimes accomplishes in 22.3 was nullified by the false pace. She was moving quite fast, but so were the others in front of her.. It was not till the last 1/8th that her class prevailed and she overcame the pace and circumstances with her high weight.

Zenyatta would have been beaten at a mile by Briecat under those weight and pace conditions... Rachel would have beat her too under those same circumstances... but if Rachel would have had to run to a faster pace and taken on Briecat, who knows what might have happened? None of us do.

On the other hand, I don't think there is any doubt Zenyatta would have slaughtered those same fillies in the Mother Goose under that pace setup.. and it's also likely that she would have run right by Rachel in the Preakness if she were allowed to run in that restricted race. My thinking is; If MTB got that close, Zenyatta would have blown right by...

They're all beatable.. Even Secretariat, generally considered the best horse of the modern era lost 5 races in his 21 starts..

So, I don't think criticizing a horse for winning while giving a ton of weight and overcoming a non-existent pace is quite fair... From my point of view, she overcame very adverse circumstances and still prevailed fairly easily in that last 1/16th..

fair enough, the numbers certainly aid your position.

[the little guy]

maybe you can explain it to me , it is probably the only thing YOU could explain to me.


The only thing he loves in life more than Zenyatta is Mike Smith.

[GMB@BP]

The only thing he loves in life more than Zenyatta is Mike Smith.

You get your original material from our other friend I see.