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DrewClear
06-15-2009, 08:03 PM
Does anyone recommand a good RECENT (2005+) handicapping book? (Something YOU have read)
Thanks

boomman
06-15-2009, 08:14 PM
Does anyone recommand a good RECENT (2005+) handicapping book? (Something YOU have read)
Thanks

If you will forgive my shameless plug, I have written one handicapping book and one wagering guide during the time period you mentioned.........Feel free to check 'em out, and if you do let me know what you think.............;)

Boomer

rrbauer
06-15-2009, 08:25 PM
Are you familar with the section titled, "Handicapping Library"?

Charlie D
06-15-2009, 08:32 PM
Take a look here

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=56926&page=1


all the best

point given
06-15-2009, 08:33 PM
Steve Davidowitz wrote a very good overall book. Do an author search on amazon to find it.;)

CBedo
06-16-2009, 03:01 AM
I think he's looking for something more recent.

Just looking at what's been published since 2005 on Amazon. Here's the ones I have read and thought weren't total wastes of money:

(From newest publication date to oldest)

Extreme Pace Handicapping -- Randy Giles (some interesting thoughts on pace)
Expert Handicapping, Revised Edition -- Dave Litfin (the original was ok, I don't know what's new in the revised edition)
Exotic Betting -- Steve Crist (some good wagering advice)

Wow, not much since 2005. I'll be in Vegas tomorrow and undoubtedly will make it over to the Gambler's Book Store. If I find anything interesting, I'll let you know. Hope this helps.

lsosa54
06-16-2009, 09:01 AM
PA forum member Niko's book may spur some thought and different ideas:

Winning Moves: How To Win At Horse Racing (Paperback)


It's available on Amazon.

I'd also recommend some of Rod Young's publications at his Turfdom website. He's been around for at least 20 years and besides specialized jockey and trainer data, provides material with some good overall logical approaches, written in 2005 and later.

Since he's not an advertiser here, I'm not sure I can post a link but just PM me if you can't Google it.

Maumeeriverangler
06-16-2009, 10:32 AM
You can get Handicapping Books at the library.

DrewClear
06-16-2009, 11:33 AM
Sorry Mr. Bauer, I was familiar with the section, but as I was reading the other section it reminded me of a conversation I had with a friend. Without thinking, I posted in the wrong section. My apologies and thank you for moving the post.

Thank you all for the suggestions. I will check out the ones I am not familiar with.

CBedo's comment is the exact conversation with my friend. Not much as far as EXPERT writtings in past few years.
Are we losing the experts' interest or not much market for them to share their knowledge?
Thanks again.

jonnielu
06-16-2009, 02:17 PM
Sorry Mr. Bauer, I was familiar with the section, but as I was reading the other section it reminded me of a conversation I had with a friend. Without thinking, I posted in the wrong section. My apologies and thank you for moving the post.

Thank you all for the suggestions. I will check out the ones I am not familiar with.

CBedo's comment is the exact conversation with my friend. Not much as far as EXPERT writtings in past few years.
Are we losing the experts' interest or not much market for them to share their knowledge?
Thanks again.

The only thing that is a reasonably recent discovery is the limitations of past performance handicapping, and the racing information industry doesn't want to talk much about that.

jdl

LottaKash
06-16-2009, 02:18 PM
If you will forgive my shameless plug, I have written one handicapping book and one wagering guide during the time period you mentioned.........Feel free to check 'em out, and if you do let me know what you think.............;)

Boomer

Hey Boomer, I'm not sure if this is a coincidence or something like it, but I just went to your "university site" and wanted to peruse your offerings, and when clicking on and opening the "terms of service" portion of the site, my Anti-virus (Avast) program warned me of two "virus's that had been detected....

I don't know if they were contained or contracted from your site, but that is when they were detected....Haven't had any other alerts since then....( today 6/16/09)(@13:12 EST)

Perhaps you have been hacked ?.....

best,

RaceBookJoe
06-16-2009, 02:23 PM
"Bet with the Best 2 Longshots" is in that time frame. A pretty decent read on close to a dozen different thoughts. rbj

PaceAdvantage
06-16-2009, 09:56 PM
The only thing that is a reasonably recent discovery is the limitations of past performance handicapping, and the racing information industry doesn't want to talk much about that.

jdlWhere did you disappear to?

Are you implying there is some sort of conspiracy...man, you're talking about the wrong industry if you think they can successfully collude like that...hell, they can't even stop people from betting after the bell...:lol:

boomman
06-17-2009, 08:35 AM
Hey Boomer, I'm not sure if this is a coincidence or something like it, but I just went to your "university site" and wanted to peruse your offerings, and when clicking on and opening the "terms of service" portion of the site, my Anti-virus (Avast) program warned me of two "virus's that had been detected....

I don't know if they were contained or contracted from your site, but that is when they were detected....Haven't had any other alerts since then....( today 6/16/09)(@13:12 EST)

Perhaps you have been hacked ?.....

best,

Thanks for the heads-up and will have my webmaster check it out immediately!

Boomer

jonnielu
06-17-2009, 09:48 AM
Where did you disappear to?

Are you implying there is some sort of conspiracy...man, you're talking about the wrong industry if you think they can successfully collude like that...hell, they can't even stop people from betting after the bell...:lol:

Well Mike, I haven't disappeared to anywhere, I just haven't been appearing here. My ratings are no longer on the market, and I am not on the same page as many here, so there hasn't been much to pound the keyboard about.

Beside that, I have been busy assisting my fellow Citizens in their quest for income tax freedom, since so many don't know how to lawfully revolt.

Why, did you miss me?

I'm not implying that things are as they are due to some sort of conspiracy, but I am offering that the racing information business is steered by market forces. It would be anyone's guess as to whether or not there are hands on the wheel.

Also, publishing has undergone some changes, and I'm sure that has something to do with the lack of recent offerings in handicapping books.

Reality offers little to write about anyway.

jdl

Greyfox
06-17-2009, 10:01 AM
Reality offers little to write about anyway.

jdl

Jonnielu your last two posts seem to be those of a somewhat demoralised man.
Hopefully the near future brings you some blessings to be cheerful for.

Past performance information has always had its limitations. That's not a revelation. I don't recall any major handicappers saying that it was the be all and the end all. Having said that past performance is the best predictor of future performance, be it human or equine.

jonnielu
06-17-2009, 11:48 AM
Jonnielu your last two posts seem to be those of a somewhat demoralised man.
Hopefully the near future brings you some blessings to be cheerful for.


Seldom are things as they seem to be. So far, the blessings have been that I have done exactly what they said I couldn't do in the area of horseracing, and the federal income tax. So, I can spend most of my time being cheerful about that.

But, there are times when I am saddened by the reality of the side-project of getting people to think. It is good news on the horseracing side, but bad news on the free country side.

At this point in time, I see yet another opportunity for freedom to break out in our country, but my neighbor sees only the chains that he has put on himself. Having the experience in freedom that I have, I realize that I will never be completely free unless he throws off his chains.

My hope is unlimited, but I realize that the determination lies with him.

jdl

ryesteve
06-17-2009, 12:00 PM
In case anyone's interested, The Department of Justice encourages anyone who has information about suspected tax fraud to report it to the IRS tip line at 1-800-829-0433.

jonnielu
06-17-2009, 12:23 PM
In case anyone's interested, The Department of Justice encourages anyone who has information about suspected tax fraud to report it to the IRS tip line at 1-800-829-0433.

Hey Steve, that is a pretty good idea, here are a few more.

While you have them on the horn, ask them what places you within the jurisdiction of Title 26 in the first place, and what authority/jurisdiction the IRS is operating under. Remember to have them write it, sign it, and send it.

Do you suspect me of tax fraud, Steve? Maybe you should investigate, the IRS has.

jdl

ryesteve
06-17-2009, 12:41 PM
I don't suspect you of anything. You're the one implying that you're not paying taxes. Assuming you have enough income, yeah, that would make you a tax fraud. And insisting otherwise, would make you a loon.

jonnielu
06-17-2009, 03:20 PM
I don't suspect you of anything. You're the one implying that you're not paying taxes. Assuming you have enough income, yeah, that would make you a tax fraud. And insisting otherwise, would make you a loon.

Sorry, I guess that I'm caught assuming that IRS does a good job of getting the press releases out there. I should know better.

If you aren't already working for the IRS or justice dept., maybe you should fill out an application, they usually hire good double-talkers that can make assumptions habitually.

I don't mean to make implication, I pay all taxes in all jurisdictions that apply to me by law. I have determined that federal income taxes are not included in that, so therefore, I do not pay those taxes in that jurisdiction. Nothing fraudulant about that.

jdl

ryesteve
06-17-2009, 03:56 PM
I pay all taxes in all jurisdictions that apply to me by law. I have determined that federal income taxes are not included in thatOh, you have, have you? Yeah, good luck with that one...

You do realize that when they send you to jail, they don't let you keep your tinfoil hat, right?

garyscpa
06-17-2009, 06:45 PM
Oh, you have, have you? Yeah, good luck with that one...

You do realize that when they send you to jail, they don't let you keep your tinfoil hat, right?

Hey, don't run him off! This place has gotten boring without Toussaud, Jinx, Draynay, and Dr. Swinesmeller. :lol:

jonnielu
06-17-2009, 08:19 PM
Oh, you have, have you? Yeah, good luck with that one...

You do realize that when they send you to jail, they don't let you keep your tinfoil hat, right?

In the 14 years that have passed since I made my determinations, I have often thought that it would be nice if the ignorant could come up with something better for attempts at ridicule than the tin foil hat. But, then I understand the ignorant just don't have much to work with.

Don't hold your breath while you are waiting either. Getting some education would be a much better way to pass the time.

jdl

PaceAdvantage
06-18-2009, 11:42 AM
Well Mike, I haven't disappeared to anywhere, I just haven't been appearing here.Well, since here is where I'm at, if you disappear from here, to me, you've disappeared....make sense? :lol:

PaceAdvantage
06-18-2009, 11:45 AM
Hey, don't run him off! This place has gotten boring without Toussaud, Jinx, Draynay, and Dr. Swinesmeller. :lol:You and I sure have a different idea of entertainment when it comes to this forum. That's ok though, as long as I'm the one with the button...:lol:

ryesteve
06-18-2009, 12:40 PM
You and I sure have a different idea of entertainment when it comes to this forum. That's ok though, as long as I'm the one with the button...:lol:
I'm begging you, make it stop! :D

http://www.jobeaufoix.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/button.jpg

jonnielu
06-18-2009, 12:53 PM
Well, since here is where I'm at, if you disappear from here, to me, you've disappeared....make sense? :lol:

I might be overly touchy about the particular word, you still aren't saying whether you missed me.

jdl

Tom
06-18-2009, 01:49 PM
He did, but his aim is improving! :D