Didn't the left-of-center folks claim the US was a liberal nation?

[PaceAdvantage]

Not according to Gallup:

“Conservatives” Are Single-Largest Ideological Group

http://www.gallup.com/poll/120857/Conservatives-Single-Largest-Ideological-Group.aspx

http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/gcvrk6v1yky1kpfyiqjhvw.gif

[ddog]

hideous in either case.

If you are taken seriously, then the "country" has been ran into the ground while being a conservative nation! So much for that being a "good".

I would say the lead was buried as normal and this is about a nothing burger either way given this from the Gallup site:

"While these figures have shown little change over the past decade, the nation appears to be slightly more polarized than it was in the early 1990s. Compared with the 1992-1994 period, the percentage of moderates has declined from 42% to 35%, while the percentages of conservatives and liberals are up slightly -- from 38% to 40% for conservatives and a larger 17% to 21% movement for liberals."


Makes about as much sense as the poll on Fox News Friday where they asked about Soto' and it came in at 32pos 22neg(if i recall) and then they revealed that 50-60% of those IN THE POLL couldn't name ONE sitting justice!

Of course , the news guys couldn't understand how the country could be filled with idiots, oh really?
Right before that segment they spent about 2-3 hours on a couple of criminal cases , who cares and then the classic Miss Usa or Calif(i forget) with their views on gay marriage! Give me a break, that's what passes for NEWS!

Then the comedy stylings of Linda Chavez on econ101.

I mean it was a non stop laugh track on there.

Oh and lest I forget Cavuto the clown was so busy trying to get our good "partner" in the war on terror , the PM of Canada to trash Bambi that he never got around to asking him this question:
" Partner - full partner , that is , as you claim to be now in the war on terror, why wouldn't such a partner take a few of those terror dudes from Gitmo , not even 4 or 5 off our hands or if that's too much of a partnership, could you maybe kick in the cost of US doing the dirty work for you?"

But, nope, Cavuto was going to get him to say bambi is spending too much and making us a socialist country or die trying.
Typical dope. Try asking a question that matters sometime.

I was having some struts/shocks and tires put on and the store had the Fox News on, first time I have actually seen any MSM news for more than 5 minutes in years.

It was very illuminating.

So, to sum up!

I have to think the "polling" is "tainted" to be polite with some less than quality conservative pollees!

They ARE the largest group I guess, right?


:lol:


Whadda country !

:D

[Cangamble]

What does politically conservative mean? Assuming complete separation of church and state, I'm pretty much politically conservative.

I'm for stricter immigration policies.
I'm for the war in Iraq.
I'm for making it more difficult to collect welfare.
I'm for less government.
I'm pro business.

On the left side, I'm for nationwide health care.
I do think that companies that pollute need to be monitored.

I'm not sure what wanting the legalization of online betting marijuana and prostitution makes me though.

[BlueShoe]

In the dream world in which liberals move,they think,that except for "A few old white men",everyone else is like them.They will never accept that ideologically they are outnumbered 2-1.Perhaps they can tell us where that 40% is coming from,since there are just not that many "old white men".

[Warren Henry]

I believe that the poll is inaccurate due to the nature of the question. I believe that Libs as a group tend to think that they are more toward the center than they actually are. At the same time, I think that conservatives may tend to exaggerate their degree of conservatism. Thus, the question "Are you a conservative or liberal and to what degree" may be highly inaccurate.

The results of that poll could be as far off as what you might get from the question - "Do you still beat your spouse?" Options are 1. More than before 2. about the same 3. Less than before 4. Not at all. 5. Never did. Even if you confined your sample to convicted abusers, I would speculate that almost all of the answers would be #4 and #5.

I would be a perfect example. Given the Gallup polling question, I would probably pick "very conservative" even though I lean pro choice, pro legalization of drugs, prostitution, etc.

Change the question to "are you a libertarian, conservative, moderate, liberal, or socialist, and you might get a more accurate result.

[jballscalls]

part of it is where you live and who your around. Up until age 25 i would have said that we certainly live in a liberal country because i'd always lived in Seattle and then in Portland. then i moved to Cincinnati. and opened my eyes to how much of the rest of the country is. I mean i lived in downtown cincy which was liberal, but the surrounding area and most of the people i met were very conservative.

I remember driving with a buddy who was from Seattle and we were going to Indiana Downs and he saw a Jesus related billboard and looked at me and said "where are we at man??" "are they going to shoot us"

I think getting a grasp on what we are as a nation is near impossible when we all only live in one or two little parts of it.

[Dave Schwartz]

I remember driving with a buddy who was from Seattle and we were going to Indiana Downs and he saw a Jesus related billboard and looked at me and said "where are we at man??" "are they going to shoot us"

Well, tarnation, man! That's what Christians do, ain't it? I got me a non-believer just the other day out on highway 50!

Fred, could you pass me a little more o' that corn whiskey?



(And you wonder why we think that liberals don't have an accurate view of the world...)

[NJ Stinks]

(And you wonder why we think that liberals don't have an accurate view of the world...)

Right back atcha, Dave! :D

[acorn54]

i think whether we are a liberal or conservative nation is hard to pin down. regan got 49 states when he ran for president yet obama won too so go figure

[dvlander]

I'm not surprised that a poll like this would come up with a high percentage of conservatives. I could probably be described as one as I have more conservative leanings than liberal especially economically. The presidential election was in many ways a "perfect storm" to elect someone like Obama. Bush's unpopularity pretty much poisoned the GOP for that presidential election and probably for at least one more. Obama was an ideal contrast to Bush and certainly to the old and tired McCain as a good-looking, well-spoken minority.

He talks a really good game and time will tell if his mortgage the future economic policies will provide anything other than chaos down the road. Our recent history has shown that one party can retain popularity for 4 to 12 years before disenchantment kicks in. When Bill Clinton was elected, the Dems were feeling invulnerable until the GOP and Gingrich with the Contract With America took control of the legislative bodies. The same thing happened to the GOP in Bush's second term. Whether Obama lasts one or two terms (I'd guess two), I cannot imagine that Pelosi and Reid will still be in power when Obama hands the reigns over to someone else.

My point is that I know there is still a sizable number of conservatives out there. Otherwise, Fox News would not be consistently kicking CNN's rear in prime-time ratings and the ratings margin is even growing since Obama's election. My only worry is that the steady stream of illegal immigrants continue to arrive and if they get a relatively easy road to citizenship under a Dem-led government, they are almost unanimously liberal.

It should be an interesting ride.

Dale

[Tom]

Dale, that is exactly the long term liberal plan.

Lower the general IQ through poor education, increase dependence on the nanny state, and amnesty to allow illegals to vote democrat.

The payback to the unions is a perfect example of the decay of personal responsibility.

[lamboguy]

basically in this country the left side seems to be mostly democrats, while the right is republicans. the foundation of both parties consist of diometrically opposite viewpoints on right to life issues. both parties use that major issue as a scare tactic into gaining the votes. they both take those votes and to find other votes to get elected and gain power. when they gain the power they are basically the same thing. one claims to want to tax the rich and give it to the poor, while the other one overtaxes the poor to keep them down. they both do things to reward their friends at the expense of the citizens that live here.

in 2000 the presidential election was made official by the supreme court. some may not like it, some may feel that the result was a predetermined 5-4 vote. but at least they listened to the evidence and made their decision.

just recently the supreme court refused to hear a case from the indiana teachers union vs. chrysler, really meaning the united autoworkers. the idiana teachers had been sold a bill of goods from chrysler to protect them so they decided to lend chrysler money. the indiana teachers didn't like the restructuring agreement from chrysler, so they took their case to the supreme court. the government represented the opposing viewpoints of the chrysler case. they argued that the supreme court had no business listening to the case because the united auto worker's were more important in this country than the property rights of the indiana teachers and firemen.
as we know, the united auto workers were large contributor's to the obama for president campaign.

[andymays]

I may be wrong and please correct me if I am but some polls put the number of members of the media being Democrats at 80%

The Federal and State governments are made up of mostly Union Members who are mostly Democrats. I've heard the 80% number here as well.

Since most in the private sector are Traditionalists who lean a little conservative we have a major cluster "you know what"!

[ddog]

my point is that the "conservatives" of today don't have much if anything left to do with the classic conservative.

The label itself has been bastardized so badly that many don't realize what they are agreeing to.

A true classic conservative would NEVER support the gvt telling anyone they must do such and such outside of the very very limited explicit rules set forth in the founding docs.

All this to and fro over the hot button issues and the reckless useless overseas adventures entered into at the whim of any POTUS are NOT conservative themed actions.

That the COngress abdicated the rights given to only them in the founding docs is a tragedy among many more that are accepted by conservatives daily.


Many of today's conservatives are really just nanny staters in no tax clothing.
When push comes to shove they will TAKE-DEMAND exactly the same "gvt benefits" as the liberal.

After all they paid for it is the cop out refrain.

No pride or honor in their position, they advocate what they will not practice.

What the hard core libs advocate is death but at least they say what they will do so if you go with them , you get the crap you deserve.
You know they will raise taxes and try to control everything and they say it outloud.

As with many labels and ideals now days , they have been so distorted and trashed as to have left Orwell behind decades ago.

[Tom]

just recently the supreme court refused to hear a case from the indiana teachers union vs. chrysler, really meaning the united autoworkers. the idiana teachers had been sold a bill of goods from chrysler to protect them so they decided to lend chrysler money. the indiana teachers didn't like the restructuring agreement from chrysler, so they took their case to the supreme court. the government represented the opposing viewpoints of the chrysler case. they argued that the supreme court had no business listening to the case because the united auto worker's were more important in this country than the property rights of the indiana teachers and firemen.
as we know, the united auto workers were large contributor's to the obama for president campaign.

This is why that bimbo Barry picked is not fit to judge pickles at the county fair. Property rights are in Obama's gun sights. He intend to remove ALL property rights and eliminate all States rights. His Czars are just the beginning. Unelected, un vetted, un-approved power postions wielding unconstitutional powers. Obama is an enemy of America and we better all realize that and take appropriate actions soon. This nut case is more dangerous tha Bin Laden ever was and more than Al Qeda ever will be.
A proven liar, murderer, and thief is what he is.

[ddog]

I'm not surprised that a poll like this would come up with a high percentage of conservatives. I could probably be described as one as I have more conservative leanings than liberal especially economically. The presidential election was in many ways a "perfect storm" to elect someone like Obama. Bush's unpopularity pretty much poisoned the GOP for that presidential election and probably for at least one more. Obama was an ideal contrast to Bush and certainly to the old and tired McCain as a good-looking, well-spoken minority.

He talks a really good game and time will tell if his mortgage the future economic policies will provide anything other than chaos down the road. Our recent history has shown that one party can retain popularity for 4 to 12 years before disenchantment kicks in. When Bill Clinton was elected, the Dems were feeling invulnerable until the GOP and Gingrich with the Contract With America took control of the legislative bodies. The same thing happened to the GOP in Bush's second term. Whether Obama lasts one or two terms (I'd guess two), I cannot imagine that Pelosi and Reid will still be in power when Obama hands the reigns over to someone else.

My point is that I know there is still a sizable number of conservatives out there. Otherwise, Fox News would not be consistently kicking CNN's rear in prime-time ratings and the ratings margin is even growing since Obama's election. My only worry is that the steady stream of illegal immigrants continue to arrive and if they get a relatively easy road to citizenship under a Dem-led government, they are almost unanimously liberal.

It should be an interesting ride.

Dale



"they are almost unanimously liberal"


they are more socially conservative than the avg U.S. citizen, without a doubt.

The dims do a better job of talking to them , but that's not the dims fault , but the idiot pugs who can't get a message out to them that is coherent, even though they have the better message for them.

If bamabi tries to force in some type of amnesty he would be trashed by most all sides other than the elite chamber of commerce types.

It won't happen in this type of economic time, and this time isn't going away anytime soon.

[lamboguy]

This is why that bimbo Barry picked is not fit to judge pickles at the county fair. Property rights are in Obama's gun sights. He intend to remove ALL property rights and eliminate all States rights. His Czars are just the beginning. Unelected, un vetted, un-approved power postions wielding unconstitutional powers. Obama is an enemy of America and we better all realize that and take appropriate actions soon. This nut case is more dangerous tha Bin Laden ever was and more than Al Qeda ever will be.
A proven liar, murderer, and thief is what he is.i hate to admit this, but you are 1000% right. let me tell you this, if the right took care of business before this guy showed up, media or no media, this guy couldn't get elected dogcather.

[Warren Henry]

if the right took care of business before this guy showed up, media or no media, this guy couldn't get elected dogcather.

How true.

Unfortunately, the Republicans can't seem to learn the lesson. Clinton got in because the Senior Bush went back on his "read my lips" promise not to raise taxes.

The Republicans gained control of the House and Senate by promising change. However, they did not deliver meaningful change. They squandered an opportunity to put this country on the right track. The fact that Reid, Pelosi, Obama, etc are in control now has more to do with the Republican failure to deliver than the ideas of the left.

A wise man once said "our guys sometimes do us more harm than the other guys because we fail to hold their feet to the fire". We Republicans remain vigilant to the wrong doings of the Democrats, but snooze off when our guys are in power.

[Tom]

I hate to say it, but I have serious doubts we have enough intelligent Americans left to actually make a decision based on facts or issues. They have a shortsighted view and vote based on what the media tells them to think about the last incumbent.

We have lowered the bar far too much.

[andymays]

I hate to say it, but I have serious doubts we have enough intelligent Americans left to actually make a decision based on facts or issues. They have a shortsighted view and vote based on what the media tells them to think about the last incumbent.

We have lowered the bar far too much.


It's the product of a failed educational system over the last 40 years. Critical thinking is rare!

[46zilzal]

It's the product of a failed educational system over the last 40 years. Critical thinking is rare!
No just locate The Rise of Anti-Intellectualism in America and it is spelled out there for you to read..Hoffsteader is the author methinks

http://chronicle.com/free/v47/i15/15b00701.htm

"In his unsurpassed survey, Hofstadter described three pillars of anti-intellectualism -- evangelical religion, practical-minded business, and the populist political style. Religion was suspicious of modern relativism, business of regulatory expertise, populism of claims that specialized knowledge had its privileges. Those pillars stand. But, as Hofstadter recognized, something was changing in American life, and that was the uneasy apotheosis of technical intellect."

[jballscalls]

I hate to say it, but I have serious doubts we have enough intelligent Americans left to actually make a decision based on facts or issues. They have a shortsighted view and vote based on what the media tells them to think about the last incumbent.

We have lowered the bar far too much.

that's because nobody cares about it that much. anyone who does care to inform themselves does the research. but 99% of people get all their news and opinions from TV or the internet. Most people work, have families, jobs, hobbies etc and for most politics has been pushed aside as a complete afterthought. i mean half of the country doesnt even vote.

[lamboguy]

the whole world has changed. almost all women are on anxiety pills. kids don't know how to add without a calculator.

when my parents came here from italy there were penalties for failure. if you didn't have a job and provide for your family there were penalties. welfare was a dirty word. today when a kid brings home a bad report care, the parents dock the kids 2 hours a day from being infront of an x-box or television set.

doctors don't do a blessed thing to help their patients. they prescribe pills. if they try not to prescribe those bad pills they are subject to get sued.

every law that gets passed by either political party benefits some big business.

[acorn54]

the policies being used to run this country are reminicent of the british decline era of 1918-38. in those years there was a government strategy to monetize the british empire out of it's mess. it saw the mighty british empire of 1918 decline to no more than an island nation.
it is what it is.

[46zilzal]

t.

doctors don't do a blessed thing to help their patients. they prescribe pills. if they try not to prescribe those bad pills they are subject to get sued.


Another one who sits from afar and judges an entire profession by some bad apples. Amazing prejudice

Blanket statements like this, without anything other than prejudice to back them up show blatant ignorance. There are good physicians out here, even though they are hard to find sometimes

[andymays]

No just locate The Rise of Anti-Intellectualism in America and it is spelled out there for you to read..Hoffsteader is the author methinks

http://chronicle.com/free/v47/i15/15b00701.htm

"In his unsurpassed survey, Hofstadter described three pillars of anti-intellectualism -- evangelical religion, practical-minded business, and the populist political style. Religion was suspicious of modern relativism, business of regulatory expertise, populism of claims that specialized knowledge had its privileges. Those pillars stand. But, as Hofstadter recognized, something was changing in American life, and that was the uneasy apotheosis of technical intellect."


I was referring to the Teachers Unions and the College Professors that want to rewrite history and indoctrinate students who don't know any better.

[Lefty]

zilly, seems to me, the so-called intellectuals are the problem. In the 50's the colleges and universities were rife with communists. Nothing has changed.

[Cangamble]

zilly, seems to me, the so-called intellectuals are the problem. In the 50's the colleges and universities were rife with communists. Nothing has changed.
Lefty, is Canada a Communist country? What is a communist?
I've said this before, Canada's right wing party is to the left of Obama. And nobody is under the impression that we live in a communist country here. Nobody.

[Lefty]

I didn't say a damn thing about Canada. Does the word college or university look like the word Canada to you?

[jballscalls]

I didn't say a damn thing about Canada. Does the word college or university look like the word Canada to you?

I was talking to a friend of mine yesterday who is getting her masters in teaching at a Christian University, and said even there, most of the professors borderline on being communists. She said a huge portion of the curriculum is teaching teachers how to not offend kids of different races, religions etc.

[Lefty]

jb, they're not criticizing Bush now because, he is no longer president. The focus now is on obama, the current prez.
But when Bush was prez, O'reilly criticized him for not doing enough on the border, and some of his decisions in iraq.
Hannity criticized him on the Prescription drug plan, and the border.
Now who, on the left, is criticizing Obama about anything!

[jballscalls]

Now who, on the left, is criticizing Obama about anything!

why would they want to criticize him, they want him to be in office for 8 years, they love him and think he's doing things right.

i've asked my roomates what they think he's doing right and they really didn't explain anything other than liking him.

[newtothegame]

why would they want to criticize him, they want him to be in office for 8 years, they love him and think he's doing things right.

i've asked my roomates what they think he's doing right and they really didn't explain anything other than liking him.

this goes right back to the intellectual question of voters. Are they voting for who best represents them, or are they voting based on "the fad of the moment"?
"hope and change" can define alot of things. Yet during his campaign, thats all we basically heard. Its the same platform that Bill Clinton ran on...CHANGE. Problem is, once he is in office, people are now seeing...maybe THIS change isnt what I thought I was voting on.....:lol:

[Lefty]

that's the problem JB. the media is supposed to be objective. You make my point. We can no longer count on the msm to hold dems accountable. a sad day in america when the 4th estate goes pravda on us.

[Cangamble]

I didn't say a damn thing about Canada. Does the word college or university look like the word Canada to you?
I asked you questions that I think are on topic.
What is a communist? And do you consider Canada to be a Communist country?

No opinion? Fine. But I just get a kick out of the rhetoric on these boards. No substance, only rhetoric.

[Lefty]

i have no idea why you're asking me that question out of the blue, but i'll answer. Right now you are socialists.

[Tom]

Another one who sits from afar and judges an entire profession by some bad apples. Amazing prejudice

Blanket statements like this, without anything other than prejudice to back them up show blatant ignorance. There are good physicians out here, even though they are hard to find sometimes


Physician, heal thyself!

This is what YOU do everyday. :lol:

[46zilzal]

Physician, heal thyself!

This is what YOU do everyday.
Much akin to the old saying that "a lawyer who defends himself has a fool for a client," ANYONE in the medical field would know that self treatment is not objective.

[ddog]

that's the problem JB. the media is supposed to be objective. You make my point. We can no longer count on the msm to hold dems accountable. a sad day in america when the 4th estate goes pravda on us.


lefty ,, "THATS" only a "PROBLEM" if you wish to cry like a BABY all the time.

The MSM as far back as you WISH to go has never been objective, whatever you mean by that.

You can go back to the beginning of the republic and check out the old flyers and yellow sheets and worse.

I never understood why when one side or the other get beaten they always go for the MSM did it to us.


Besides , what is the problem with the MSM not being objective?

IF GWB and his inner circle didn't beat down the broadcast doors at MSNBC or Bambi doesn't beat down Foxes , big deal.

They both have their House channels.

If there's a problem , it's in the type of trash they put out as news and the consolidation at the corp level of the various news chains.

You don't really want objective, what you want is the toughest argument from both sides and then you have a chance to figure something out.

You need muckrakers deluxe and you won't get that from the "house pimps" of either side.

[Lefty]

dog, if you won't be civil, neither will I. If you don't see the problem, then you're too dense for me to explain it to you.
Crybaby? Say it to my face and i'll show you who the crybaby is, my boy.

[ddog]

relax lefty, take a sedative.

I know the arguments within the post are not possible for you to address.

You do cry like a baby all the time over it.

Go back and read your own postings.

I say your "problem" is nothing new and only a baby would think it was and blame his and his or the "other" "sides" and the world's problem's on Olberman's period or lack of one!

[ArlJim78]

you have to be terribly dense or completely clueless to have missed the death of media objectivity that occured in recent years. it has been documented all over the place. it has nothing to do with Bush losing, this problem has been getting worse for a long time, but last years election was a watershed moment for media as they even admitted their biases.

like Rush said, we used to call it the watch-dog media, now its the lap-dog media.

[Cangamble]

you have to be terribly dense or completely clueless to have missed the death of media objectivity that occured in recent years. it has been documented all over the place. it has nothing to do with Bush losing, this problem has been getting worse for a long time, but last years election was a watershed moment for media as they even admitted their biases.

like Rush said, we used to call it the watch-dog media, now its the lap-dog media.
Is Rush objective?
The thing is that the media is giving the people what they want, and things like cable news programs are tailored towards their audiences.

[Lefty]

dog, very brave. wanna hear a crybaby? Obama has practically every media outlet bowing and scraping to him. One network dares to ask tough questions about his policies and he whines and crys about it. I guess being civil just isn't in you...

[Lefty]

cangamble, rush is not objective and doesn't pretend to be. But he's also not a journalist. Do you not discern the difference?

[BlueShoe]

And nobody is under the impression that we live in a communist country here. Nobody.
Perhaps not in Canada,but in the USA Comrade President Obamavitch is working very,very hard to change this perception,in fact,he has just about convinced me.If he is still in office in the fall of 2016 there is a good chance that there will be no presidential election and that schoolchildren will be singing The Internationale in their classroom.

[Tom]

I can hear the future as plain as day.....
jvxiG56M-eU

[hcap]

Well I guess the repugs are not the party of conservatism anymore.
Didn't the left-of-center folks claim the US was a liberal nation?

While Republicans have steadily increased their criticism of Mr. Obama, particularly on the budget deficit, the poll found that the Republican Party is viewed favorably by only 28 percent of those polled, the lowest rating ever in a New York Times/CBS News poll. In contrast, 57 percent said that they had a favorable view of the Democratic Party. [emphasis added]

The WSJ/NBC poll added:

25 percent hold a favorable view of the Republican Party, which is an all-time low for it in the poll. 45 percent hold a favorable view of the Democratic Party.

[dvlander]

I am generally a repub and I readily admit that the stench of the Bush presidency will taint popular opinion of the GOP for some time to come. However, I am just as certain that issues of the present tend to push issues of the past into the background and when the results of Obama's socialist moves (with Pelosi and Reid's support) come home to roost, the opinions of the two parties will level out.

You have to remember that as a nation, we are still in the honeymoon period with BO after experiencing the nasty breakup with GWB.

Dale

[ddog]

you have to be terribly dense or completely clueless to have missed the death of media objectivity that occured in recent years. it has been documented all over the place. it has nothing to do with Bush losing, this problem has been getting worse for a long time, but last years election was a watershed moment for media as they even admitted their biases.

like Rush said, we used to call it the watch-dog media, now its the lap-dog media.


Since Rush has been alive(i know i predate him) you have had a lap dog media. It's nothing new, so either THAT has something to do with Bush and now or I don't see why you and Lefty are all worked up over it.

I guess you really believe if Rushbo says a thing and since he is not a news guy that it must be the revealed truth.

You will see from the line quoted below that I had already stated more than you are now using to toss out the dense line.

"You need muckrakers deluxe and you won't get that from the "house pimps" of either side"
I will admit to being dense as soon as you and Lefty admit to being not able to read or comprehend much past the sad talking points spoon fed to you by the Rushbo types of thee world.

I think if you (maybe) and lefty(not possible it seems) would actually cool off and read what is posted you may have a better handle on your own weird postings.

[ddog]

dog, very brave. wanna hear a crybaby? Obama has practically every media outlet bowing and scraping to him. One network dares to ask tough questions about his policies and he whines and crys about it. I guess being civil just isn't in you...


no use to try to be civil to a rabid poster is there?


When a network or all the networks asked tough question about Bush or Mac did YOU or they whine and cry about?

No??, really????, you may be civil but you seem to have a "perception" or possibly message "issue"! :D

[ArlJim78]

Since Rush has been alive(i know i predate him) you have had a lap dog media. It's nothing new, so either THAT has something to do with Bush and now or I don't see why you and Lefty are all worked up over it.

I guess you really believe if Rushbo says a thing and since he is not a news guy that it must be the revealed truth.

You will see from the line quoted below that I had already stated more than you are now using to toss out the dense line.

"You need muckrakers deluxe and you won't get that from the "house pimps" of either side"
I will admit to being dense as soon as you and Lefty admit to being not able to read or comprehend much past the sad talking points spoon fed to you by the Rushbo types of thee world.

I think if you (maybe) and lefty(not possible it seems) would actually cool off and read what is posted you may have a better handle on your own weird postings.
I don't get my talking points from rushbo, I listen to him for entertainment.
I read the line you bolded so large, it doesn't address anything in my post.

[Lefty]

so dog, you're a dog and i'm rabid? Don't make much sense, but then when did you ever.? The media is not supposed to be an adjunct of the democrat party. You remember what happens in places where that is the case, don'tcha?

[hcap]

http://images.dailykos.com/images/user/426/ABCWaPo.gif

GOP approval. Various polls:

* CBS/NY Times 28 favorable

* NBC/WSJ 25 favorable

* Pew 29 congressional GOP leader approval

* Research 2000 24 GOP favorable

* ABC/WaPo poll 36 approval

[Tom]

ABC News works for Obama.

[hcap]

They all work for Obama?

CBS/NY Times 28 favorable

NBC/WSJ 25 favorable

Pew 29 congressional GOP leader approval

Research 2000 24 GOP favorable

[Lefty]

well we know 2 of em do. Not much debate there.
When the polls turn on obama, will you keep publishing them?

[hcap]

Just post the Faux Noos numbers so you guys can feel at home and all dreamy like. :sleeping: :sleeping: :sleeping:

[Lefty]

ABC having a healthcare fest with Obama with no Republican dissent allwoed.
worse than that, they won't even allow republican ads tonight! Never in my life have I seen so biased a media. They are an adjunct to the dem party.

[witchdoctor]

They are an adjunct to the dem party.

I thought it was spelled damn.

[Lefty]

Correction: Looks like the lovefest is tonight.
Obama has said, not too long ago that we're broke, we must be fiscally responsible. and now he's proposing National Healthcare with at least a 1.6 Trillion pricetag and some of you have faith in this guy?

[Tom]

Unlike you, hcap, WE don't need constant reassuring of our views.
I don't care what 90% think if I think they are wrong.
Columbus was in a minority, Galileo, the Continental Army was a huge underdog.......the USA hockey team.

You need to think outside the poll.

[Lefty]

Actually, it'sspelled "dim"

[acorn54]

well we know 2 of em do. Not much debate there.
When the polls turn on obama, will you keep publishing them?

i think you guys that don't believe the polls or that the polls will change are missing something, we have in this country now a populace where the majority of people are "takers" only about one third of populace actually foots the bills through paying taxes.